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ThaChozenWun
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I believe it is a bit of all three. Some things that we consider moral are inborn like if you see a child alone on the side of the road chances are just about everyone will stop for it. Some Morals are learned based on enviorment. This is exampled by Mike Vicks issues, in some areas dog fighting is the normal and watching them fight til death has no effect, however if you come from an environments where they are pets 1st and a thing second then you would find it immoral. Other things are just illusions used so the child doesn't embarrass the parents. An example of this to me is parents or older folk saying, "Well this job or that job aint for our kind only _______ people do that." When in reality it may be your favorite thing and you don't aspire to be a doctor or lawyer.
But it also depends on what your definition or morals is.
But it also depends on what your definition or morals is.
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BiblicalAtheist
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Chike;938443 said:To me, morality has to do with being in tune and in accordance with nature.
Hmmm, nature often kills or eats their weak or deformed offspring. Nature wipes out millions of life forms during natural disasters.
What do you mean exactly by being in tune and in accordance with nature?
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DoUwant2go2Heaven
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Can a believer in evolution please explain how morality can "evolve"? Whats the point? Whats the purpose?
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BiblicalAtheist
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;938597 said:Can a believer in evolution please explain how morality can "evolve"? Whats the point? Whats the purpose?
I suppose it would be much like our knowledge of how the laws of nature work and our surrounding environment, its a learning process. Before we didn't know it was bacteria that made us sick and now we do, that kind of "evolution".
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DoUwant2go2Heaven
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How can morality be learned from a non-conscious process of evolution? Evolution presupposes that non-life gave rise to life. So how does non-life come up with the notion of a moral code that humans now understand? It makes absolutely no sense.BiblicalAtheist;938659 said:I suppose it would be much like our knowledge of how the laws of nature work and our surrounding environment, its a learning process. Before we didn't know it was bacteria that made us sick and now we do, that kind of "evolution".
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BiblicalAtheist
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;938674 said:How can morality be learned from a non-conscious process of evolution? Evolution presupposes that non-life gave rise to life. So how does non-life come up with the notion of a moral code that humans now understand? It makes absolutely no sense.
Is energy a non life thing?
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DoUwant2go2Heaven
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BiblicalAtheist;938684 said:Is energy a non life thing?
How does "energy" know that stealing is wrong?
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BiblicalAtheist
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;938693 said:How does "energy" know that stealing is wrong?
I do not know, and I don't think as of yet anyone knows, but everything is a form of energy, including consciousness. Maybe one day our understanding shall evolve so that we can answer these questions.
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alissowack
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Morality exists. I could be wrong, but I don't think we are in a position to say what morality is "suppose" to do. It is not to say that killing or adultery is not wrong, but how much of a right to we have to determine someone's fate because of it?
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DoUwant2go2Heaven
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Yes we are in a position to say what morality is suppose to do. Do you have a conscience? Do you believe in God? Do you trust His holy word? All 3 tell us what morality is suppose to do.alissowack;938708 said:Morality exists. I could be wrong, but I don't think we are in a position to say what morality is "suppose" to do. It is not to say that killing or adultery is not wrong, but how much of a right to we have to determine someone's fate because of it?
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;938597 said:Can a believer in evolution please explain how morality can "evolve"? Whats the point? Whats the purpose?
Put a shirt on.
The whole Bible is evolution if you understand.
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CapitalB;938117 said:alot of people are running around morally rich and financially inept because of it..
shits a faux! jus somethin to help u sleep better at night..
I disagree somewhat.
Most people claim morality to justify financial ineptitude. Economic prosperity and moral correctness are not mutually exclusive. Part of being morally conscious is the proper and productive management of resources and gifts.
People use morality as a cover for laziness and fear.
You can have both. Money without morals is a slow death and a scourge in between. And truthfully it is the cowards way out. yeah , I know it is subjective, but if you make money with no regard for how it affect others, I don't respect that.
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BiblicalAtheist;938482 said:Hmmm, nature often kills or eats their weak or deformed offspring. Nature wipes out millions of life forms during natural disasters.
What do you mean exactly by being in tune and in accordance with nature?
Last I checked, nature wasn't just one animal, but all life and elements. So when you say nature eats their weak.. you'll have to be more specific.
When I say in tune with nature, I mean doing what we as humans are meant to do. This does not include creating processed food or slaughter houses. This does not include deeming a plant harmful and outlawing it in order to make a profit off of cutting down forests and drilling fossil fuel out of the earth.... etc etc.... We're so out of tune with nature in the way this world is living right now it's not even funny.
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alissowack
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;938747 said:Yes we are in a position to say what morality is suppose to do. Do you have a conscience? Do you believe in God? Do you trust His holy word? All 3 tell us what morality is suppose to do.
What I mean by what I say is this. I can obey everything that the Bible says and know the morals to be true, but I can't say that because I am morally upright, that the circumstances of life will be in my favor. I can practice good morals and be like Job for the rest of my life. I can be broke, unemployed, suffering from some terminal disease, etc. and still not earn the "earthly" benefits of practicing good morals. And there are those who are "bad" that are successful and wealthy; spent their entire lives "breaking the rules". So in that sense we are not in a position to say what morals are suppose to do. But I agree that there is a consequence for disobeying in respect to God.
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BiblicalAtheist
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I didn't think of this question until after I logged off:DoUwant2go2Heaven?;938693 said:How does "energy" know that stealing is wrong?
Why is stealing wrong, what is your reasoning?
Chike;939117 said:Last I checked, nature wasn't just one animal, but all life and elements. So when you say nature eats their weak.. you'll have to be more specific.
When I say in tune with nature, I mean doing what we as humans are meant to do. This does not include creating processed food or slaughter houses. This does not include deeming a plant harmful and outlawing it in order to make a profit off of cutting down forests and drilling fossil fuel out of the earth.... etc etc.... We're so out of tune with nature in the way this world is living right now it's not even funny.
I didn't think I had to be so specific, I thought you would have known what I meant seeing as you were saying we should be in tune with nature. But some species, kill and eat their deformed offspring, should humans be in tune with nature that way? Kill and possibly eat our deformed offspring? Other species, in tune with nature, kill and eat meat, why should humans become only herbivores? I mean how do we know which part of nature to be like and which part not to be?
I don't disagree per say, we are out of something, whether out of our minds or out of tune, I'm just trying to figure out or think what a good plan for man is.
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ThaChozenWun
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;938693 said:How does "energy" know that stealing is wrong?
Because energy manifested itself into a living body. The difference being is our living body is controlled through the mind. Though we are made of energy our minds have the final say in those types of decisions. Our minds are what feed and control our conscious, that is what determines one morals.
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;938597 said:Can a believer in evolution please explain how morality can "evolve"? Whats the point? Whats the purpose?
Sure. Most of our morality is based on a rather simple premise .... don't be a prick to the person near you. Since humans are a social animal and most of our adaptive success comes from collaboration with others having a system that helps group act together is a massive advantage.
Empathy, guilt, laughter, and stress all of these are simple to explain with evolution and contribute, along with other traits, to explain morals. Empathy makes one aware of an other's pain. Guilt makes one want to avoid inflicting harm. Laughter and joy tend to be found from being with others and actively make us seek out others to be with. Stress which most often arises from conflict is something most try to avoid.
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BiblicalAtheist;940106 said:I didn't think of this question until after I logged off:
Why is stealing wrong, what is your reasoning?
Thou shalt not steal.
Exodus 20:15
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