Michael Irvin Says He Was Happiest Playing Football In College Because He Was Broke

[MR.CJ]

Philip Buchanan wrote in his book that his mom called him the day he got drafted and said he owe her a million dollars..SMH...imagine how much relationships change when dealing with people like that. You're no longer seen as a brother, son, etc...now u food and they sharks. Long story short, you don't owe your parents, you owe ur kids

And that's just his mom

I'm pretty sure he was getting phone calls from other family members and friends

Uncle: I used to change your diapers. Let me hold 5 Gs.

 

[LPast]

I have great parents, but I don't owe them anything. If they get sick and I take care of them, I'm doing it because I want to. Not because I owe them.

"Owe" is the keyword in this whole argument.

Yeah, it's a sticking point. Again, I think people believe that if you "owe" someone that means you have to pay them back. It doesn't.

When I say you owe your parents, I'm not talking about some debt that you are contractually mandated to pay off. I'm saying they've done something for you that has enabled you to do what you've done. It's like someone says "I owe everything to my father's guidance." That doesn't literally mean that that person is required to give everything they own to pay back his or her father's guidance. It just means that everything that person was able to accomplish was predicated on the provision of that guidance, which is a loose form of debt.

If you don't have to pay someone back that literally means you don't "OWE" them shit.

If you "OWE" some that literally means you have to back them back and if you don't you a fucked a person plain and simple.

owe

ō/Submit

verb

have an obligation to pay or repay (something, especially money) in return for something received

Why do we go through this so much on this site? Words have multiple definitions.

a archaic ossess, own

b :to have or bear (an emotion or attitude) to someone or something owes the boss a grudge owes his friend an apology (e.g., They owe allegiance to their country. Children owe their parents respect).

2 a (1) :to be under obligation to pay or repay in return for something received :be indebted in the sum of (e.g., owes me $5) (2) :to be under obligation to render (something, such as duty or service) (e.g., I owe you a favor or A lawyer owes her client legal advice).

b :to be indebted to (e.g., owes the grocer for supplies)

3 :to be indebted for (e.g., owed his wealth to his father or owes much to good luck)

Only one definition specifies obligation. The others just say that you're in debt of some form. Specifically, I'm referring more to the third definition, which should be clear when I specify that parents aren't entitled.

Since you want to used the third which states indebted

in·debt·ed

inˈdedəd/Submit

adjective

owing money.

"heavily indebted countries"

owing gratitude for a service or favor.

Going by the bullshit you saying you would go by the bold definition. So basically what nobody here has never said a good parent shouldn't get which is basically a thank you. Being a good parent ain't a fucking service or favor to a child that never asked them to be here.

Otherwise they ain't owed shit as previously stated.

Acts of gratitude extend past saying "Thank You." If that's all it is to you, then do you, but obviously people who do big acts for their parents feel that a simple "Thank You" is an insufficient expression of gratitude for what was done. Either way, by your own argument, something is owed even if it is just as simple as a "Thank You." And I'm pretty sure most would consider parenting to be a service or inclusive of providing a service, since the most basic definition of a service is just "the action of helping or doing work for someone." Every good parent has helped or done work for their child.

No a thank you isn't owed. I'm still firmly of the opinion I don't owe my parents shit. Actually my father said that shit to me even though I been knew that without him saying it.

lol So why did you even put that last post if you're not even going to stand by the argument you made.

Anyways, we can disagree. I don't feel like I owe my parents for having me, but I do feel indebted for the sacrifices they made and the things they did to get me to where I am. They didn't have to do all that, so I just can't imagine seeing my parents in need, having the means to address those needs, and being like "Nah, I don't owe them shit." But you do you.

My stance this whole time has been I don't owe my parents shit that never changed. I said nobody never said they shouldn't get a thank you. That ain't me saying I would give mine a thank you because I'm indebted to do so.

Helping your parents in need has absolutely fuck all to do with owing them that help. That shit really ain't that hard of a concept to grasp.

I'm always going to do me.

Never said I wouldn't help if they needed it. Only said my help ain't coming because I owe them that help.

That's fine bruh. You don't feel like kids owe their parents anything. I feel like kids are indebted to good parents, but parents have no right and should have no expectation to collect. We can agree to disagree.

Do you have kids?

Yep.

Do your kids owe you for what you do for them?

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I have great parents, but I don't owe them anything. If they get sick and I take care of them, I'm doing it because I want to. Not because I owe them.

"Owe" is the keyword in this whole argument.

Yeah, it's a sticking point. Again, I think people believe that if you "owe" someone that means you have to pay them back. It doesn't.

When I say you owe your parents, I'm not talking about some debt that you are contractually mandated to pay off. I'm saying they've done something for you that has enabled you to do what you've done. It's like someone says "I owe everything to my father's guidance." That doesn't literally mean that that person is required to give everything they own to pay back his or her father's guidance. It just means that everything that person was able to accomplish was predicated on the provision of that guidance, which is a loose form of debt.

If you don't have to pay someone back that literally means you don't "OWE" them shit.

If you "OWE" some that literally means you have to back them back and if you don't you a fucked a person plain and simple.

owe

ō/Submit

verb

have an obligation to pay or repay (something, especially money) in return for something received

Why do we go through this so much on this site? Words have multiple definitions.

a archaic ossess, own

b :to have or bear (an emotion or attitude) to someone or something owes the boss a grudge owes his friend an apology (e.g., They owe allegiance to their country. Children owe their parents respect).

2 a (1) :to be under obligation to pay or repay in return for something received :be indebted in the sum of (e.g., owes me $5) (2) :to be under obligation to render (something, such as duty or service) (e.g., I owe you a favor or A lawyer owes her client legal advice).

b :to be indebted to (e.g., owes the grocer for supplies)

3 :to be indebted for (e.g., owed his wealth to his father or owes much to good luck)

Only one definition specifies obligation. The others just say that you're in debt of some form. Specifically, I'm referring more to the third definition, which should be clear when I specify that parents aren't entitled.

Since you want to used the third which states indebted

in·debt·ed

inˈdedəd/Submit

adjective

owing money.

"heavily indebted countries"

owing gratitude for a service or favor.

Going by the bullshit you saying you would go by the bold definition. So basically what nobody here has never said a good parent shouldn't get which is basically a thank you. Being a good parent ain't a fucking service or favor to a child that never asked them to be here.

Otherwise they ain't owed shit as previously stated.

Acts of gratitude extend past saying "Thank You." If that's all it is to you, then do you, but obviously people who do big acts for their parents feel that a simple "Thank You" is an insufficient expression of gratitude for what was done. Either way, by your own argument, something is owed even if it is just as simple as a "Thank You." And I'm pretty sure most would consider parenting to be a service or inclusive of providing a service, since the most basic definition of a service is just "the action of helping or doing work for someone." Every good parent has helped or done work for their child.

No a thank you isn't owed. I'm still firmly of the opinion I don't owe my parents shit. Actually my father said that shit to me even though I been knew that without him saying it.

lol So why did you even put that last post if you're not even going to stand by the argument you made.

Anyways, we can disagree. I don't feel like I owe my parents for having me, but I do feel indebted for the sacrifices they made and the things they did to get me to where I am. They didn't have to do all that, so I just can't imagine seeing my parents in need, having the means to address those needs, and being like "Nah, I don't owe them shit." But you do you.

My stance this whole time has been I don't owe my parents shit that never changed. I said nobody never said they shouldn't get a thank you. That ain't me saying I would give mine a thank you because I'm indebted to do so.

Helping your parents in need has absolutely fuck all to do with owing them that help. That shit really ain't that hard of a concept to grasp.

I'm always going to do me.

Never said I wouldn't help if they needed it. Only said my help ain't coming because I owe them that help.

That's fine bruh. You don't feel like kids owe their parents anything. I feel like kids are indebted to good parents, but parents have no right and should have no expectation to collect. We can agree to disagree.

Do you have kids?

Yep.

Do your kids owe you for what you do for them?

If I go above and beyond for them, they are indebted to me. That's just a fact. Would I want them or expect them to ever try and pay me back? Of course not.

 

[rickmogul]

Ain't no $$$ N the World that I wouldn't give my Mom or Pops! Priceless jewels, love and wisdom! Open door for them bcuz when they gon u ain't got another set. Muhfukaz gonna learn soon enuff Health is wealth, not the paper. Gotta get that's a given but how often and much did they sacrifice for U coming up? Mugs get life twisted when they get some zeros behind their name.

 

[5 Grand]

Ain't no $$$ N the World that I wouldn't give my Mom or Pops! Priceless jewels, love and wisdom! Open door for them bcuz when they gon u ain't got another set. Muhfukaz gonna learn soon enuff Health is wealth, not the paper. Gotta get that's a given but how often and much did they sacrifice for U coming up? Mugs get life twisted when they get some zeros behind their name.

But everybody doesn't have parents. Some people were raised in a one parent household and the father (or mother) wasn't there. A football player doesn't owe money to a deadbeat dad.

And some people didn't even have a mother growing up. I know plenty of people that were raised by a grandmother or aunt, and in some cases they were orphans that came up in the system.

I could understand if you were an orphan that grew up in the system and refuse to give your family members a penny.

 

[brown321]

A person is going to get tired and fed up of anybody regardless of the title they may have(mother, father, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, etc) always asking and more importantly expecting hand-outs cause they "know" you got it.

Fuck that shit I ain't in the business of no matter how much I got of taking care of grown able bodied people or constantly having to bail you out of fucked up financial situations because you are terrible with money. Comes a point in time you either going to sink or swim.

A person who gets tired of giving is a person who didn't so from the heart or with good intentions to begin with...

That ain't true at all.

If know you being taken advantage of at some point said person will get tired of giving to those people.

That's if you label yourself a victim. If, you are giving because, your station in life calls for it and you accept it then you aren't being taken advantage of. This is all personal preference. So, in my case the ONLY reason I have worked to gain more is so I can give more. Not to gloat, boast, talk down on people or get tired of doing what I set out to do from the get go. Perhaps I have missed the point of why people set out to attain more then they need.

 

[rickmogul]

@5grand I feel ya point but I think u kinda in a roundabout way showed there's "someone" in their life. Mentor, aunt OG, cousin. No one is an island or make it's on their own 100% without a hand along the way. He probably tired of it all on the real tho.

 

[LPast]

Ain't no $$$ N the World that I wouldn't give my Mom or Pops! Priceless jewels, love and wisdom! Open door for them bcuz when they gon u ain't got another set. Muhfukaz gonna learn soon enuff Health is wealth, not the paper. Gotta get that's a given but how often and much did they sacrifice for U coming up? Mugs get life twisted when they get some zeros behind their name.

Once you have money you will realize that money is not the remedy to a lot of people. You supporting family may be doing more harm than good.