Michael Irvin Says He Was Happiest Playing Football In College Because He Was Broke

[CapitalB]

Niggas really in here saying kids don't owe their parents anything? I mean if your parents are shitty and didn't do anything for you I guess that's true. But if they were in your life and took care of you, they earned whatever you can do for them. They aren't entitled to anything of course because being a parent was their choice, but they deserve it.

"aren't entitled" means they aren't "owed" correct??!

if so what are we talking about here??

You can owe someone without being obligated to pay them back If you ask to borrow $5 dollars from a friend, you technically owe that friend $5. That doesn't entitled your friend to take $5 from you wallet the next time he's at your house.

If you have good parents, they do a lot for you, in many cases going above and beyond what is necessary to simply raise you to adulthood. That puts you in their debt, but it's not some debt where you are contractually obligated to pay them back, so they aren't entitled to anything from you if you choose not to give it.

the fuck did i jus read!?

 

[CapitalB]

u dont pay ur parents back..

u pay it forward..

all the great things ur parents did for u u OWE that to ur children thats how u progress a lineage..

not this backwards payback shit!

if yall parents got yall thinkin u owe them they lame as hell..

they only had u and was good to u so u can take care of they old ass when they cant no more. thats some selfish shit!

i have a daughter..

the only thing she owes me is to be somethin in life.. dont let my risks go without reward..

my mom.. she lived her life and has to live wit her choices.. me bein one of them.. so she owes me for life! lmmfao

 

[Kwan Dai]

A person is going to get tired and fed up of anybody regardless of the title they may have(mother, father, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, etc) always asking and more importantly expecting hand-outs cause they "know" you got it.

Fuck that shit I ain't in the business of no matter how much I got of taking care of grown able bodied people or constantly having to bail you out of fucked up financial situations because you are terrible with money. Comes a point in time you either going to sink or swim.

A person who gets tired of giving is a person who didn't so from the heart or with good intentions to begin with...

 

[D. Morgan]

A person is going to get tired and fed up of anybody regardless of the title they may have(mother, father, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, etc) always asking and more importantly expecting hand-outs cause they "know" you got it.

Fuck that shit I ain't in the business of no matter how much I got of taking care of grown able bodied people or constantly having to bail you out of fucked up financial situations because you are terrible with money. Comes a point in time you either going to sink or swim.

A person who gets tired of giving is a person who didn't so from the heart or with good intentions to begin with...

That ain't true at all.

If know you being taken advantage of at some point said person will get tired of giving to those people.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I have great parents, but I don't owe them anything. If they get sick and I take care of them, I'm doing it because I want to. Not because I owe them.

"Owe" is the keyword in this whole argument.

Yeah, it's a sticking point. Again, I think people believe that if you "owe" someone that means you have to pay them back. It doesn't.

When I say you owe your parents, I'm not talking about some debt that you are contractually mandated to pay off. I'm saying they've done something for you that has enabled you to do what you've done. It's like someone says "I owe everything to my father's guidance." That doesn't literally mean that that person is required to give everything they own to pay back his or her father's guidance. It just means that everything that person was able to accomplish was predicated on the provision of that guidance, which is a loose form of debt.

If you don't have to pay someone back that literally means you don't "OWE" them shit.

If you "OWE" some that literally means you have to back them back and if you don't you a fucked a person plain and simple.

owe

ō/Submit

verb

have an obligation to pay or repay (something, especially money) in return for something received

Why do we go through this so much on this site? Words have multiple definitions.

a archaic ossess, own

b :to have or bear (an emotion or attitude) to someone or something owes the boss a grudge owes his friend an apology (e.g., They owe allegiance to their country. Children owe their parents respect).

2 a (1) :to be under obligation to pay or repay in return for something received :be indebted in the sum of (e.g., owes me $5) (2) :to be under obligation to render (something, such as duty or service) (e.g., I owe you a favor or A lawyer owes her client legal advice).

b :to be indebted to (e.g., owes the grocer for supplies)

3 :to be indebted for (e.g., owed his wealth to his father or owes much to good luck)

Only one definition specifies obligation. The others just say that you're in debt of some form. Specifically, I'm referring more to the third definition, which should be clear when I specify that parents aren't entitled.

Since you want to used the third which states indebted

in·debt·ed

inˈdedəd/Submit

adjective

owing money.

"heavily indebted countries"

owing gratitude for a service or favor.

Going by the bullshit you saying you would go by the bold definition. So basically what nobody here has never said a good parent shouldn't get which is basically a thank you. Being a good parent ain't a fucking service or favor to a child that never asked them to be here.

Otherwise they ain't owed shit as previously stated.

Acts of gratitude extend past saying "Thank You." If that's all it is to you, then do you, but obviously people who do big acts for their parents feel that a simple "Thank You" is an insufficient expression of gratitude for what was done. Either way, by your own argument, something is owed even if it is just as simple as a "Thank You." And I'm pretty sure most would consider parenting to be a service or inclusive of providing a service, since the most basic definition of a service is just "the action of helping or doing work for someone." Every good parent has helped or done work for their child.

 

[D. Morgan]

I have great parents, but I don't owe them anything. If they get sick and I take care of them, I'm doing it because I want to. Not because I owe them.

"Owe" is the keyword in this whole argument.

Yeah, it's a sticking point. Again, I think people believe that if you "owe" someone that means you have to pay them back. It doesn't.

When I say you owe your parents, I'm not talking about some debt that you are contractually mandated to pay off. I'm saying they've done something for you that has enabled you to do what you've done. It's like someone says "I owe everything to my father's guidance." That doesn't literally mean that that person is required to give everything they own to pay back his or her father's guidance. It just means that everything that person was able to accomplish was predicated on the provision of that guidance, which is a loose form of debt.

If you don't have to pay someone back that literally means you don't "OWE" them shit.

If you "OWE" some that literally means you have to back them back and if you don't you a fucked a person plain and simple.

owe

ō/Submit

verb

have an obligation to pay or repay (something, especially money) in return for something received

Why do we go through this so much on this site? Words have multiple definitions.

a archaic ossess, own

b :to have or bear (an emotion or attitude) to someone or something owes the boss a grudge owes his friend an apology (e.g., They owe allegiance to their country. Children owe their parents respect).

2 a (1) :to be under obligation to pay or repay in return for something received :be indebted in the sum of (e.g., owes me $5) (2) :to be under obligation to render (something, such as duty or service) (e.g., I owe you a favor or A lawyer owes her client legal advice).

b :to be indebted to (e.g., owes the grocer for supplies)

3 :to be indebted for (e.g., owed his wealth to his father or owes much to good luck)

Only one definition specifies obligation. The others just say that you're in debt of some form. Specifically, I'm referring more to the third definition, which should be clear when I specify that parents aren't entitled.

Since you want to used the third which states indebted

in·debt·ed

inˈdedəd/Submit

adjective

owing money.

"heavily indebted countries"

owing gratitude for a service or favor.

Going by the bullshit you saying you would go by the bold definition. So basically what nobody here has never said a good parent shouldn't get which is basically a thank you. Being a good parent ain't a fucking service or favor to a child that never asked them to be here.

Otherwise they ain't owed shit as previously stated.

Acts of gratitude extend past saying "Thank You." If that's all it is to you, then do you, but obviously people who do big acts for their parents feel that a simple "Thank You" is an insufficient expression of gratitude for what was done. Either way, by your own argument, something is owed even if it is just as simple as a "Thank You." And I'm pretty sure most would consider parenting to be a service or inclusive of providing a service, since the most basic definition of a service is just "the action of helping or doing work for someone." Every good parent has helped or done work for their child.

No a thank you isn't owed. I'm still firmly of the opinion I don't owe my parents shit. Actually my father said that shit to me even though I been knew that without him saying it.

 

[Kwan Dai]

A person is going to get tired and fed up of anybody regardless of the title they may have(mother, father, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, etc) always asking and more importantly expecting hand-outs cause they "know" you got it.

Fuck that shit I ain't in the business of no matter how much I got of taking care of grown able bodied people or constantly having to bail you out of fucked up financial situations because you are terrible with money. Comes a point in time you either going to sink or swim.

A person who gets tired of giving is a person who didn't so from the heart or with good intentions to begin with...

That ain't true at all.

If know you being taken advantage of at some point said person will get tired of giving to those people.

That's if you label yourself a victim. If, you are giving because, your station in life calls for it and you accept it then you aren't being taken advantage of. This is all personal preference. So, in my case the ONLY reason I have worked to gain more is so I can give more. Not to gloat, boast, talk down on people or get tired of doing what I set out to do from the get go. Perhaps I have missed the point of why people set out to attain more then they need.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I have great parents, but I don't owe them anything. If they get sick and I take care of them, I'm doing it because I want to. Not because I owe them.

"Owe" is the keyword in this whole argument.

Yeah, it's a sticking point. Again, I think people believe that if you "owe" someone that means you have to pay them back. It doesn't.

When I say you owe your parents, I'm not talking about some debt that you are contractually mandated to pay off. I'm saying they've done something for you that has enabled you to do what you've done. It's like someone says "I owe everything to my father's guidance." That doesn't literally mean that that person is required to give everything they own to pay back his or her father's guidance. It just means that everything that person was able to accomplish was predicated on the provision of that guidance, which is a loose form of debt.

If you don't have to pay someone back that literally means you don't "OWE" them shit.

If you "OWE" some that literally means you have to back them back and if you don't you a fucked a person plain and simple.

owe

ō/Submit

verb

have an obligation to pay or repay (something, especially money) in return for something received

Why do we go through this so much on this site? Words have multiple definitions.

a archaic ossess, own

b :to have or bear (an emotion or attitude) to someone or something owes the boss a grudge owes his friend an apology (e.g., They owe allegiance to their country. Children owe their parents respect).

2 a (1) :to be under obligation to pay or repay in return for something received :be indebted in the sum of (e.g., owes me $5) (2) :to be under obligation to render (something, such as duty or service) (e.g., I owe you a favor or A lawyer owes her client legal advice).

b :to be indebted to (e.g., owes the grocer for supplies)

3 :to be indebted for (e.g., owed his wealth to his father or owes much to good luck)

Only one definition specifies obligation. The others just say that you're in debt of some form. Specifically, I'm referring more to the third definition, which should be clear when I specify that parents aren't entitled.

Since you want to used the third which states indebted

in·debt·ed

inˈdedəd/Submit

adjective

owing money.

"heavily indebted countries"

owing gratitude for a service or favor.

Going by the bullshit you saying you would go by the bold definition. So basically what nobody here has never said a good parent shouldn't get which is basically a thank you. Being a good parent ain't a fucking service or favor to a child that never asked them to be here.

Otherwise they ain't owed shit as previously stated.

Acts of gratitude extend past saying "Thank You." If that's all it is to you, then do you, but obviously people who do big acts for their parents feel that a simple "Thank You" is an insufficient expression of gratitude for what was done. Either way, by your own argument, something is owed even if it is just as simple as a "Thank You." And I'm pretty sure most would consider parenting to be a service or inclusive of providing a service, since the most basic definition of a service is just "the action of helping or doing work for someone." Every good parent has helped or done work for their child.

No a thank you isn't owed. I'm still firmly of the opinion I don't owe my parents shit. Actually my father said that shit to me even though I been knew that without him saying it.

lol So why did you even put that last post if you're not even going to stand by the argument you made.

Anyways, we can disagree. I don't feel like I owe my parents for having me, but I do feel indebted for the sacrifices they made and the things they did to get me to where I am. They didn't have to do all that, so I just can't imagine seeing my parents in need, having the means to address those needs, and being like "Nah, I don't owe them shit." But you do you.

 

[D. Morgan]

A person is going to get tired and fed up of anybody regardless of the title they may have(mother, father, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, etc) always asking and more importantly expecting hand-outs cause they "know" you got it.

Fuck that shit I ain't in the business of no matter how much I got of taking care of grown able bodied people or constantly having to bail you out of fucked up financial situations because you are terrible with money. Comes a point in time you either going to sink or swim.

A person who gets tired of giving is a person who didn't so from the heart or with good intentions to begin with...

That ain't true at all.

If know you being taken advantage of at some point said person will get tired of giving to those people.

That's if you label yourself a victim. If, you are giving because, your station in life calls for it and you accept it then you aren't being taken advantage of. This is all personal preference. So, in my case the ONLY reason I have worked to gain more is so I can give more. Not to gloat, boast, talk down on people or get tired of doing what I set out to do from the get go. Perhaps I have missed the point of why people set out to attain more then they need.

Knowing someone is trying to take advantage of you doesn't make you a victim. Allowing it to continue to happen after you realize it makes you a victim like you said you choose to label yourself that.

The reason why people strive to have more is going to be very different for most people. You have your reason.

 

[D. Morgan]

I have great parents, but I don't owe them anything. If they get sick and I take care of them, I'm doing it because I want to. Not because I owe them.

"Owe" is the keyword in this whole argument.

Yeah, it's a sticking point. Again, I think people believe that if you "owe" someone that means you have to pay them back. It doesn't.

When I say you owe your parents, I'm not talking about some debt that you are contractually mandated to pay off. I'm saying they've done something for you that has enabled you to do what you've done. It's like someone says "I owe everything to my father's guidance." That doesn't literally mean that that person is required to give everything they own to pay back his or her father's guidance. It just means that everything that person was able to accomplish was predicated on the provision of that guidance, which is a loose form of debt.

If you don't have to pay someone back that literally means you don't "OWE" them shit.

If you "OWE" some that literally means you have to back them back and if you don't you a fucked a person plain and simple.

owe

ō/Submit

verb

have an obligation to pay or repay (something, especially money) in return for something received

Why do we go through this so much on this site? Words have multiple definitions.

a archaic ossess, own

b :to have or bear (an emotion or attitude) to someone or something owes the boss a grudge owes his friend an apology (e.g., They owe allegiance to their country. Children owe their parents respect).

2 a (1) :to be under obligation to pay or repay in return for something received :be indebted in the sum of (e.g., owes me $5) (2) :to be under obligation to render (something, such as duty or service) (e.g., I owe you a favor or A lawyer owes her client legal advice).

b :to be indebted to (e.g., owes the grocer for supplies)

3 :to be indebted for (e.g., owed his wealth to his father or owes much to good luck)

Only one definition specifies obligation. The others just say that you're in debt of some form. Specifically, I'm referring more to the third definition, which should be clear when I specify that parents aren't entitled.

Since you want to used the third which states indebted

in·debt·ed

inˈdedəd/Submit

adjective

owing money.

"heavily indebted countries"

owing gratitude for a service or favor.

Going by the bullshit you saying you would go by the bold definition. So basically what nobody here has never said a good parent shouldn't get which is basically a thank you. Being a good parent ain't a fucking service or favor to a child that never asked them to be here.

Otherwise they ain't owed shit as previously stated.

Acts of gratitude extend past saying "Thank You." If that's all it is to you, then do you, but obviously people who do big acts for their parents feel that a simple "Thank You" is an insufficient expression of gratitude for what was done. Either way, by your own argument, something is owed even if it is just as simple as a "Thank You." And I'm pretty sure most would consider parenting to be a service or inclusive of providing a service, since the most basic definition of a service is just "the action of helping or doing work for someone." Every good parent has helped or done work for their child.

No a thank you isn't owed. I'm still firmly of the opinion I don't owe my parents shit. Actually my father said that shit to me even though I been knew that without him saying it.

lol So why did you even put that last post if you're not even going to stand by the argument you made.

Anyways, we can disagree. I don't feel like I owe my parents for having me, but I do feel indebted for the sacrifices they made and the things they did to get me to where I am. They didn't have to do all that, so I just can't imagine seeing my parents in need, having the means to address those needs, and being like "Nah, I don't owe them shit." But you do you.

My stance this whole time has been I don't owe my parents shit that never changed. I said nobody never said they shouldn't get a thank you. That ain't me saying I would give mine a thank you because I'm indebted to do so.

Helping your parents in need has absolutely fuck all to do with owing them that help. That shit really ain't that hard of a concept to grasp.

I'm always going to do me.

Never said I wouldn't help if they needed it. Only said my help ain't coming because I owe them that help.

 

[Kwan Dai]

A person is going to get tired and fed up of anybody regardless of the title they may have(mother, father, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, etc) always asking and more importantly expecting hand-outs cause they "know" you got it.

Fuck that shit I ain't in the business of no matter how much I got of taking care of grown able bodied people or constantly having to bail you out of fucked up financial situations because you are terrible with money. Comes a point in time you either going to sink or swim.

A person who gets tired of giving is a person who didn't so from the heart or with good intentions to begin with...

That ain't true at all.

If know you being taken advantage of at some point said person will get tired of giving to those people.

That's if you label yourself a victim. If, you are giving because, your station in life calls for it and you accept it then you aren't being taken advantage of. This is all personal preference. So, in my case the ONLY reason I have worked to gain more is so I can give more. Not to gloat, boast, talk down on people or get tired of doing what I set out to do from the get go. Perhaps I have missed the point of why people set out to attain more then they need.

Knowing someone is trying to take advantage of you doesn't make you a victim. Allowing it to continue to happen after you realize it makes you a victim like you said you choose to label yourself that.

The reason why people strive to have more is going to be very different for most people. You have your reason.

I've already acknowledged this is all personal preference. But if a persons drive to be financially successful isn't to help others it only leaves selfishness as a reason.

 

[D. Morgan]

A person is going to get tired and fed up of anybody regardless of the title they may have(mother, father, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, etc) always asking and more importantly expecting hand-outs cause they "know" you got it.

Fuck that shit I ain't in the business of no matter how much I got of taking care of grown able bodied people or constantly having to bail you out of fucked up financial situations because you are terrible with money. Comes a point in time you either going to sink or swim.

A person who gets tired of giving is a person who didn't so from the heart or with good intentions to begin with...

That ain't true at all.

If know you being taken advantage of at some point said person will get tired of giving to those people.

That's if you label yourself a victim. If, you are giving because, your station in life calls for it and you accept it then you aren't being taken advantage of. This is all personal preference. So, in my case the ONLY reason I have worked to gain more is so I can give more. Not to gloat, boast, talk down on people or get tired of doing what I set out to do from the get go. Perhaps I have missed the point of why people set out to attain more then they need.

Knowing someone is trying to take advantage of you doesn't make you a victim. Allowing it to continue to happen after you realize it makes you a victim like you said you choose to label yourself that.

The reason why people strive to have more is going to be very different for most people. You have your reason.

I've already acknowledged this is all personal preference. But if a persons drive to be financially successful isn't to help others it only leaves selfishness as a reason.

A person's help can turn into enabling at some point as well IMO.

 

[Kwan Dai]

A person is going to get tired and fed up of anybody regardless of the title they may have(mother, father, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, etc) always asking and more importantly expecting hand-outs cause they "know" you got it.

Fuck that shit I ain't in the business of no matter how much I got of taking care of grown able bodied people or constantly having to bail you out of fucked up financial situations because you are terrible with money. Comes a point in time you either going to sink or swim.

A person who gets tired of giving is a person who didn't so from the heart or with good intentions to begin with...

That ain't true at all.

If know you being taken advantage of at some point said person will get tired of giving to those people.

That's if you label yourself a victim. If, you are giving because, your station in life calls for it and you accept it then you aren't being taken advantage of. This is all personal preference. So, in my case the ONLY reason I have worked to gain more is so I can give more. Not to gloat, boast, talk down on people or get tired of doing what I set out to do from the get go. Perhaps I have missed the point of why people set out to attain more then they need.

Knowing someone is trying to take advantage of you doesn't make you a victim. Allowing it to continue to happen after you realize it makes you a victim like you said you choose to label yourself that.

The reason why people strive to have more is going to be very different for most people. You have your reason.

I've already acknowledged this is all personal preference. But if a persons drive to be financially successful isn't to help others it only leaves selfishness as a reason.

A person's help can turn into enabling at some point as well IMO.

The more we can enable the people we say we love and care for to have a decent living the better.

 

[D. Morgan]

A person is going to get tired and fed up of anybody regardless of the title they may have(mother, father, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, etc) always asking and more importantly expecting hand-outs cause they "know" you got it.

Fuck that shit I ain't in the business of no matter how much I got of taking care of grown able bodied people or constantly having to bail you out of fucked up financial situations because you are terrible with money. Comes a point in time you either going to sink or swim.

A person who gets tired of giving is a person who didn't so from the heart or with good intentions to begin with...

That ain't true at all.

If know you being taken advantage of at some point said person will get tired of giving to those people.

That's if you label yourself a victim. If, you are giving because, your station in life calls for it and you accept it then you aren't being taken advantage of. This is all personal preference. So, in my case the ONLY reason I have worked to gain more is so I can give more. Not to gloat, boast, talk down on people or get tired of doing what I set out to do from the get go. Perhaps I have missed the point of why people set out to attain more then they need.

Knowing someone is trying to take advantage of you doesn't make you a victim. Allowing it to continue to happen after you realize it makes you a victim like you said you choose to label yourself that.

The reason why people strive to have more is going to be very different for most people. You have your reason.

I've already acknowledged this is all personal preference. But if a persons drive to be financially successful isn't to help others it only leaves selfishness as a reason.

A person's help can turn into enabling at some point as well IMO.

The more we can enable the people we say we love and care for to have a decent living the better.

If that is their goal I agree. If they just constantly walking up and asking for shit cause I have the finances to make it happen then I can't agree.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I have great parents, but I don't owe them anything. If they get sick and I take care of them, I'm doing it because I want to. Not because I owe them.

"Owe" is the keyword in this whole argument.

Yeah, it's a sticking point. Again, I think people believe that if you "owe" someone that means you have to pay them back. It doesn't.

When I say you owe your parents, I'm not talking about some debt that you are contractually mandated to pay off. I'm saying they've done something for you that has enabled you to do what you've done. It's like someone says "I owe everything to my father's guidance." That doesn't literally mean that that person is required to give everything they own to pay back his or her father's guidance. It just means that everything that person was able to accomplish was predicated on the provision of that guidance, which is a loose form of debt.

If you don't have to pay someone back that literally means you don't "OWE" them shit.

If you "OWE" some that literally means you have to back them back and if you don't you a fucked a person plain and simple.

owe

ō/Submit

verb

have an obligation to pay or repay (something, especially money) in return for something received

Why do we go through this so much on this site? Words have multiple definitions.

a archaic ossess, own

b :to have or bear (an emotion or attitude) to someone or something owes the boss a grudge owes his friend an apology (e.g., They owe allegiance to their country. Children owe their parents respect).

2 a (1) :to be under obligation to pay or repay in return for something received :be indebted in the sum of (e.g., owes me $5) (2) :to be under obligation to render (something, such as duty or service) (e.g., I owe you a favor or A lawyer owes her client legal advice).

b :to be indebted to (e.g., owes the grocer for supplies)

3 :to be indebted for (e.g., owed his wealth to his father or owes much to good luck)

Only one definition specifies obligation. The others just say that you're in debt of some form. Specifically, I'm referring more to the third definition, which should be clear when I specify that parents aren't entitled.

Since you want to used the third which states indebted

in·debt·ed

inˈdedəd/Submit

adjective

owing money.

"heavily indebted countries"

owing gratitude for a service or favor.

Going by the bullshit you saying you would go by the bold definition. So basically what nobody here has never said a good parent shouldn't get which is basically a thank you. Being a good parent ain't a fucking service or favor to a child that never asked them to be here.

Otherwise they ain't owed shit as previously stated.

Acts of gratitude extend past saying "Thank You." If that's all it is to you, then do you, but obviously people who do big acts for their parents feel that a simple "Thank You" is an insufficient expression of gratitude for what was done. Either way, by your own argument, something is owed even if it is just as simple as a "Thank You." And I'm pretty sure most would consider parenting to be a service or inclusive of providing a service, since the most basic definition of a service is just "the action of helping or doing work for someone." Every good parent has helped or done work for their child.

No a thank you isn't owed. I'm still firmly of the opinion I don't owe my parents shit. Actually my father said that shit to me even though I been knew that without him saying it.

lol So why did you even put that last post if you're not even going to stand by the argument you made.

Anyways, we can disagree. I don't feel like I owe my parents for having me, but I do feel indebted for the sacrifices they made and the things they did to get me to where I am. They didn't have to do all that, so I just can't imagine seeing my parents in need, having the means to address those needs, and being like "Nah, I don't owe them shit." But you do you.

My stance this whole time has been I don't owe my parents shit that never changed. I said nobody never said they shouldn't get a thank you. That ain't me saying I would give mine a thank you because I'm indebted to do so.

Helping your parents in need has absolutely fuck all to do with owing them that help. That shit really ain't that hard of a concept to grasp.

I'm always going to do me.

Never said I wouldn't help if they needed it. Only said my help ain't coming because I owe them that help.

That's fine bruh. You don't feel like kids owe their parents anything. I feel like kids are indebted to good parents, but parents have no right and should have no expectation to collect. We can agree to disagree.

 

[LPast]

I have great parents, but I don't owe them anything. If they get sick and I take care of them, I'm doing it because I want to. Not because I owe them.

"Owe" is the keyword in this whole argument.

Yeah, it's a sticking point. Again, I think people believe that if you "owe" someone that means you have to pay them back. It doesn't.

When I say you owe your parents, I'm not talking about some debt that you are contractually mandated to pay off. I'm saying they've done something for you that has enabled you to do what you've done. It's like someone says "I owe everything to my father's guidance." That doesn't literally mean that that person is required to give everything they own to pay back his or her father's guidance. It just means that everything that person was able to accomplish was predicated on the provision of that guidance, which is a loose form of debt.

If you don't have to pay someone back that literally means you don't "OWE" them shit.

If you "OWE" some that literally means you have to back them back and if you don't you a fucked a person plain and simple.

owe

ō/Submit

verb

have an obligation to pay or repay (something, especially money) in return for something received

Why do we go through this so much on this site? Words have multiple definitions.

a archaic ossess, own

b :to have or bear (an emotion or attitude) to someone or something owes the boss a grudge owes his friend an apology (e.g., They owe allegiance to their country. Children owe their parents respect).

2 a (1) :to be under obligation to pay or repay in return for something received :be indebted in the sum of (e.g., owes me $5) (2) :to be under obligation to render (something, such as duty or service) (e.g., I owe you a favor or A lawyer owes her client legal advice).

b :to be indebted to (e.g., owes the grocer for supplies)

3 :to be indebted for (e.g., owed his wealth to his father or owes much to good luck)

Only one definition specifies obligation. The others just say that you're in debt of some form. Specifically, I'm referring more to the third definition, which should be clear when I specify that parents aren't entitled.

Since you want to used the third which states indebted

in·debt·ed

inˈdedəd/Submit

adjective

owing money.

"heavily indebted countries"

owing gratitude for a service or favor.

Going by the bullshit you saying you would go by the bold definition. So basically what nobody here has never said a good parent shouldn't get which is basically a thank you. Being a good parent ain't a fucking service or favor to a child that never asked them to be here.

Otherwise they ain't owed shit as previously stated.

Acts of gratitude extend past saying "Thank You." If that's all it is to you, then do you, but obviously people who do big acts for their parents feel that a simple "Thank You" is an insufficient expression of gratitude for what was done. Either way, by your own argument, something is owed even if it is just as simple as a "Thank You." And I'm pretty sure most would consider parenting to be a service or inclusive of providing a service, since the most basic definition of a service is just "the action of helping or doing work for someone." Every good parent has helped or done work for their child.

No a thank you isn't owed. I'm still firmly of the opinion I don't owe my parents shit. Actually my father said that shit to me even though I been knew that without him saying it.

lol So why did you even put that last post if you're not even going to stand by the argument you made.

Anyways, we can disagree. I don't feel like I owe my parents for having me, but I do feel indebted for the sacrifices they made and the things they did to get me to where I am. They didn't have to do all that, so I just can't imagine seeing my parents in need, having the means to address those needs, and being like "Nah, I don't owe them shit." But you do you.

My stance this whole time has been I don't owe my parents shit that never changed. I said nobody never said they shouldn't get a thank you. That ain't me saying I would give mine a thank you because I'm indebted to do so.

Helping your parents in need has absolutely fuck all to do with owing them that help. That shit really ain't that hard of a concept to grasp.

I'm always going to do me.

Never said I wouldn't help if they needed it. Only said my help ain't coming because I owe them that help.

That's fine bruh. You don't feel like kids owe their parents anything. I feel like kids are indebted to good parents, but parents have no right and should have no expectation to collect. We can agree to disagree.

Do you have kids?

 

[Koltrain]

Philip Buchanan wrote in his book that his mom called him the day he got drafted and said he owe her a million dollars..SMH...imagine how much relationships change when dealing with people like that. You're no longer seen as a brother, son, etc...now u food and they sharks. Long story short, you don't owe your parents, you owe ur kids

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I have great parents, but I don't owe them anything. If they get sick and I take care of them, I'm doing it because I want to. Not because I owe them.

"Owe" is the keyword in this whole argument.

Yeah, it's a sticking point. Again, I think people believe that if you "owe" someone that means you have to pay them back. It doesn't.

When I say you owe your parents, I'm not talking about some debt that you are contractually mandated to pay off. I'm saying they've done something for you that has enabled you to do what you've done. It's like someone says "I owe everything to my father's guidance." That doesn't literally mean that that person is required to give everything they own to pay back his or her father's guidance. It just means that everything that person was able to accomplish was predicated on the provision of that guidance, which is a loose form of debt.

If you don't have to pay someone back that literally means you don't "OWE" them shit.

If you "OWE" some that literally means you have to back them back and if you don't you a fucked a person plain and simple.

owe

ō/Submit

verb

have an obligation to pay or repay (something, especially money) in return for something received

Why do we go through this so much on this site? Words have multiple definitions.

a archaic ossess, own

b :to have or bear (an emotion or attitude) to someone or something owes the boss a grudge owes his friend an apology (e.g., They owe allegiance to their country. Children owe their parents respect).

2 a (1) :to be under obligation to pay or repay in return for something received :be indebted in the sum of (e.g., owes me $5) (2) :to be under obligation to render (something, such as duty or service) (e.g., I owe you a favor or A lawyer owes her client legal advice).

b :to be indebted to (e.g., owes the grocer for supplies)

3 :to be indebted for (e.g., owed his wealth to his father or owes much to good luck)

Only one definition specifies obligation. The others just say that you're in debt of some form. Specifically, I'm referring more to the third definition, which should be clear when I specify that parents aren't entitled.

Since you want to used the third which states indebted

in·debt·ed

inˈdedəd/Submit

adjective

owing money.

"heavily indebted countries"

owing gratitude for a service or favor.

Going by the bullshit you saying you would go by the bold definition. So basically what nobody here has never said a good parent shouldn't get which is basically a thank you. Being a good parent ain't a fucking service or favor to a child that never asked them to be here.

Otherwise they ain't owed shit as previously stated.

Acts of gratitude extend past saying "Thank You." If that's all it is to you, then do you, but obviously people who do big acts for their parents feel that a simple "Thank You" is an insufficient expression of gratitude for what was done. Either way, by your own argument, something is owed even if it is just as simple as a "Thank You." And I'm pretty sure most would consider parenting to be a service or inclusive of providing a service, since the most basic definition of a service is just "the action of helping or doing work for someone." Every good parent has helped or done work for their child.

No a thank you isn't owed. I'm still firmly of the opinion I don't owe my parents shit. Actually my father said that shit to me even though I been knew that without him saying it.

lol So why did you even put that last post if you're not even going to stand by the argument you made.

Anyways, we can disagree. I don't feel like I owe my parents for having me, but I do feel indebted for the sacrifices they made and the things they did to get me to where I am. They didn't have to do all that, so I just can't imagine seeing my parents in need, having the means to address those needs, and being like "Nah, I don't owe them shit." But you do you.

My stance this whole time has been I don't owe my parents shit that never changed. I said nobody never said they shouldn't get a thank you. That ain't me saying I would give mine a thank you because I'm indebted to do so.

Helping your parents in need has absolutely fuck all to do with owing them that help. That shit really ain't that hard of a concept to grasp.

I'm always going to do me.

Never said I wouldn't help if they needed it. Only said my help ain't coming because I owe them that help.

That's fine bruh. You don't feel like kids owe their parents anything. I feel like kids are indebted to good parents, but parents have no right and should have no expectation to collect. We can agree to disagree.

Do you have kids?

Yep.

 

[MR.CJ]

A person is going to get tired and fed up of anybody regardless of the title they may have(mother, father, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, etc) always asking and more importantly expecting hand-outs cause they "know" you got it.

Fuck that shit I ain't in the business of no matter how much I got of taking care of grown able bodied people or constantly having to bail you out of fucked up financial situations because you are terrible with money. Comes a point in time you either going to sink or swim.

Facts

 

[blackrain]

I find it hard to believe that Irvin' s family are the only ones to approach him for money. It seems like he has a grudge against someone in particular and he's taking it to the public.

I come from a close family. They need it, I got it, they can have it. They don't have to earn my support. That's how family is supposed to work.

Theres a difference between helping and funding somebody elses life...help is fine but when you literally paying all somebody elses bills and its because they simply choose not to work that's a problem