MGTOWrama : A FEMINIZM CONSEQUENCE

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

there are more women in nursing fields but you don't see the men in those fields bitching and crying about sexual harassment or complaining about the female dominated culture in those fields.

I know men with stories

Used to work in a hospital

 

[LordZuko]

Get up on the Moynihan report

Read up on for school years ago

Not all of it was bad...had its good points

Moynihan report actually recommended the government educate and employ and or help blk men find work so they would essentially be marriage material

At the time its critics disagreed with some of his assessments felt it was victim blaming

The Kerner report is a good companion piece.

It was released in the 1960s to help end racial discrimination in Detroit and the nation

Naturally the fed ignored their recommendations as well
http://michiganradio.org/post/kerner-commission-and-why-its-recommendations-were-ignored

That's not the point.

The point is that the feds along with whatever private interests executed a plot to excoriated the black community.

Black women as usual were the useful idiots, the happy short sighted pawns that played their role.

 

[deadeye]

@Madame_CJSkywalker

women really don't play much of a role in protecting society at all, the military protects us from outside forces and the police forces usually* protect us from internal harm. both the military and police forces are majority male.

MY reasoning behind saying women hate stem comes from the fact even when they graduate with a stem degree they don't stay in it very long and this suggest that women don't have the needed commitment to a job in stem.

No. by stem culture I was referring the work place culture of many professions. LOOK construction workers have a way of speaking and interacting with each other that differs from people working on wall street, each profession has a different work place culture the fact that women are dropping out of stem even after having used thousands of tax payer dollars to get educated suggest that many of these women either cannot hack it or cannot fit into the culture.

IF A black man is racially abused in one job he may leave it but leaving the whole industry??? nah most black men won't do that we will just look for a job elsewhere in the same industry women however seem to be leaving the industry.

there may have been some men who got away with the fuckery you just described but compare the numbers of bastard children with no dad living in the home from 60 years ago with what we have today??? today is much worse. so yeah people like you managed to punish some men but as a result of some of the other changes you made things got worse. So when it comes to sexuality we live in a much more amoral time. Mothers and wives are partners but they can never be equal..... real EQUALITY is a fantasy that we shall never attain.

Sigh...

Sure

Women are lesser... Can't hack it in STEM

Nevermind there being a culture of sexual harrasment

Deal with it

And back in the day everything was sweet

Ok...cool

Gotcha

I don't think @sunlord 's referring to sexual harassment when he's talking about STEM culture.

It's more about how the way people socialize in that field is different than how people socialize in other work environments.

Basically, a lot of women........not all..........like being in an environment that's conducive to cattiness, office gossip, talking about their personal lives, etc.

Therefore, since STEM is not conducive to that type of socializing........a lot of women leave those fields.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

There are dozens of philosophies in mgtow in accordance to the different types of mgtow.

There are some men who are only mgtow because they see that traditionalism is shunned, and that females have more power without responsibility. So they want a return to a common sense social contract. That's all traditionalism and gender roles are is a social contract between the sexes.

Traditionalism is a social contract that works only because men are the 100% source of the substances that females desire: food shelter clothing protection. Men were smart enough to decide that those who provide such amenities should be the ones in charge.

This set up works until civilization is advanced enough that females feel entitled to the system protecting them and forget that men imbue the system, without the men their is no system only a void. There's nothing that stands between a woman and her fear of everything that she thinks can happen.

Lol

Due to technology advances the economy is becoming more knowledge base...meaning more jobs that don't require physical strength...more jobs for women...less jobs of the past

Not to mention globalization

So considering women now can provide these things for themselves, why is traditionalism even necessary for anyone or attractive considering the constraints

Even, like I said, u argue traditional gender roles its more "efficient" shit is oppression

In a free society a man or woman should be able to choice to be a provider and or provided for...a home maker...stay at parent

Anything less is the opposite of freedom

Talk shit about modern feminism, I'll join you...but a lot of things u niggas advocate is no better

WELL I do advocate for traditionalism. It's either traditionalism or mgtow and the long term results of mgtow will either force women back into traditionalism or cause the collapse of western society.

and yes the economy is more knowledge based but the vast majority of women don't have the temperament or desire to stick to many of those stem careers. Traditionalism is not just about men providing for women because women cannot do so for themselves..... it is largely about protecting women from the bad impulses of men and protecting them from THE MEN of other societies this giving the protectors a feeling of responsibility/ownership over those women.

This made the men of any particular society care about the women in that society as it is now MEN HAVE STARTED TO not give a fuck about women.

social constraints are a good and needed without them men tend to not don't give a shit about their offspring. There are a lot of black men like this right now. freedom is not free is comes with conditions that must be met. what you feminist want in many cases resembles libertinism not liberty. YOU want to do whatever you want but you want society/men to pay for it.

What???

Men tend to not don't give a shit about their offspring???

Where do I begin...

This is not the stone age or medieval times for one

We pay ppl via taxes and other means to do the protecting and enforce order

Men and women have a role to play but its possible to structure a soceity whereas it does not come at the expense of the greater good and cost us a great deal of our personal freedoms...

I for example don't like how cs is calculated and enforced

And having been given the opportunity women have made gains in STEM industry so the desire is there...and while both genders have their strength and weaknesses, women have shown to be just as capable as men in most areas

So yes traditonalism is becoming obosolete... and I really don't see how u would actually get enough ppl to comply outside of physical force and government coercion

WITHOUT social constraints men tend not to give a fuck about their children..... back in the day a man would be considered less than garbage for not taking care of his lawful children today having bastard children has become almost normalized and just paying CHILD SUPPORT is not taking care of your child

MEN PAY TAXES AND MEN ENFORCE ORDER because they care about the safety of their property, we feel invested in society because we have wives children and property to protect without the wife and the children all that remains is selfish interest which means at the point men will no longer have any interest in protecting women or constraining our sexual behavior towards women.

PART of being an adult especially being a man is recognizing that personal freedoms must be sacrificed for the greater good, men have always accepted this as a natural part of being an adult man. Women however had to be forced to accept this and they resented this because of that women rebelled and created feminism to "free" them.

Now men in a sense have stated to rebel, so we have MGTOW. MEN AND WOMEN have to be united to sustains a cohesive society but today the genders are splitting apart.... which means things are collapsing at which point women will come crawling back to men because they won't be able to compete against more aggressive men who truly don't give a fuck about their feelings or notions of equality.... this has already begun many young women today have started to turn against feminism.

Most women hate stem they cannot sustain themselves in stem careers for very long they leave stem jobs after a few years. My argument is not that women are incapable of doing stem just that they don't like it because stem jobs come with a certain culture that feels very unnatural to the moods of women.

ahhhhh nah.

i know alot of black women in stem. they are doing very well for themselves.

now with that said.....alot of them cant be told shit either. they want the earning potential but thats ubntil a dude can come an "free" them of the burden of work.

i refuse to let my lady retire..because we can use her resources for our gain towards our retirement. her freinds call her weak for that. but none of them bitches happy either.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

@Madame_CJSkywalker

women really don't play much of a role in protecting society at all, the military protects us from outside forces and the police forces usually* protect us from internal harm. both the military and police forces are majority male.

MY reasoning behind saying women hate stem comes from the fact even when they graduate with a stem degree they don't stay in it very long and this suggest that women don't have the needed commitment to a job in stem.

No. by stem culture I was referring the work place culture of many professions. LOOK construction workers have a way of speaking and interacting with each other that differs from people working on wall street, each profession has a different work place culture the fact that women are dropping out of stem even after having used thousands of tax payer dollars to get educated suggest that many of these women either cannot hack it or cannot fit into the culture.

IF A black man is racially abused in one job he may leave it but leaving the whole industry??? nah most black men won't do that we will just look for a job elsewhere in the same industry women however seem to be leaving the industry.

there may have been some men who got away with the fuckery you just described but compare the numbers of bastard children with no dad living in the home from 60 years ago with what we have today??? today is much worse. so yeah people like you managed to punish some men but as a result of some of the other changes you made things got worse. So when it comes to sexuality we live in a much more amoral time. Mothers and wives are partners but they can never be equal..... real EQUALITY is a fantasy that we shall never attain.

Sigh...

Sure

Women are lesser... Can't hack it in STEM

Nevermind there being a culture of sexual harrasment

Deal with it

And back in the day everything was sweet

Ok...cool

Gotcha

I don't think @sunlord 's referring to sexual harassment when he's talking about STEM culture.

It's more about how the way people socialize in that field is different than how people socialize in other work environments.

Basically, a lot of women........not all..........like being in an environment that's conducive to cattiness, office gossip, talking about their personal lives, etc.

Therefore, since STEM is not conducive to that type of socializing........a lot of women leave those fields.

not all true....there are some stem fields that have this type of environment believe it or not. i know a chick who has two degrees in that type feild but cant leave that drama type enviroment

 

[LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY]

There are dozens of philosophies in mgtow in accordance to the different types of mgtow.

There are some men who are only mgtow because they see that traditionalism is shunned, and that females have more power without responsibility. So they want a return to a common sense social contract. That's all traditionalism and gender roles are is a social contract between the sexes.

Traditionalism is a social contract that works only because men are the 100% source of the substances that females desire: food shelter clothing protection. Men were smart enough to decide that those who provide such amenities should be the ones in charge.

This set up works until civilization is advanced enough that females feel entitled to the system protecting them and forget that men imbue the system, without the men their is no system only a void. There's nothing that stands between a woman and her fear of everything that she thinks can happen.

Lol

Due to technology advances the economy is becoming more knowledge base...meaning more jobs that don't require physical strength...more jobs for women...less jobs of the past

Not to mention globalization

So considering women now can provide these things for themselves, why is traditionalism even necessary for anyone or attractive considering the constraints

Even, like I said, u argue traditional gender roles its more "efficient" shit is oppression

In a free society a man or woman should be able to choice to be a provider and or provided for...a home maker...stay at parent

Anything less is the opposite of freedom

Talk shit about modern feminism, I'll join you...but a lot of things u niggas advocate is no better

WELL I do advocate for traditionalism. It's either traditionalism or mgtow and the long term results of mgtow will either force women back into traditionalism or cause the collapse of western society.

and yes the economy is more knowledge based but the vast majority of women don't have the temperament or desire to stick to many of those stem careers. Traditionalism is not just about men providing for women because women cannot do so for themselves..... it is largely about protecting women from the bad impulses of men and protecting them from THE MEN of other societies this giving the protectors a feeling of responsibility/ownership over those women.

This made the men of any particular society care about the women in that society as it is now MEN HAVE STARTED TO not give a fuck about women.

social constraints are a good and needed without them men tend to not don't give a shit about their offspring. There are a lot of black men like this right now. freedom is not free is comes with conditions that must be met. what you feminist want in many cases resembles libertinism not liberty. YOU want to do whatever you want but you want society/men to pay for it.

What???

Men tend to not don't give a shit about their offspring???

Where do I begin...

This is not the stone age or medieval times for one

We pay ppl via taxes and other means to do the protecting and enforce order

Men and women have a role to play but its possible to structure a soceity whereas it does not come at the expense of the greater good and cost us a great deal of our personal freedoms...

I for example don't like how cs is calculated and enforced

And having been given the opportunity women have made gains in STEM industry so the desire is there...and while both genders have their strength and weaknesses, women have shown to be just as capable as men in most areas

So yes traditonalism is becoming obosolete... and I really don't see how u would actually get enough ppl to comply outside of physical force and government coercion

WITHOUT social constraints men tend not to give a fuck about their children..... back in the day a man would be considered less than garbage for not taking care of his lawful children today having bastard children has become almost normalized and just paying CHILD SUPPORT is not taking care of your child

MEN PAY TAXES AND MEN ENFORCE ORDER because they care about the safety of their property, we feel invested in society because we have wives children and property to protect without the wife and the children all that remains is selfish interest which means at the point men will no longer have any interest in protecting women or constraining our sexual behavior towards women.

PART of being an adult especially being a man is recognizing that personal freedoms must be sacrificed for the greater good, men have always accepted this as a natural part of being an adult man. Women however had to be forced to accept this and they resented this because of that women rebelled and created feminism to "free" them.

Now men in a sense have stated to rebel, so we have MGTOW. MEN AND WOMEN have to be united to sustains a cohesive society but today the genders are splitting apart.... which means things are collapsing at which point women will come crawling back to men because they won't be able to compete against more aggressive men who truly don't give a fuck about their feelings or notions of equality.... this has already begun many young women today have started to turn against feminism.

Most women hate stem they cannot sustain themselves in stem careers for very long they leave stem jobs after a few years. My argument is not that women are incapable of doing stem just that they don't like it because stem jobs come with a certain culture that feels very unnatural to the moods of women.

ahhhhh nah.

i know alot of black women in stem. they are doing very well for themselves.

now with that said.....alot of them cant be told shit either. they want the earning potential but thats ubntil a dude can come an "free" them of the burden of work.

i refuse to let my lady retire..because we can use her resources for our gain towards our retirement. her freinds call her weak for that. but none of them bitches happy either.

Unfortunately they went so far into the equality stuuf that they have made men flee the universities. Now aint enough men to save them from the evergrowing career burden.

The tendency of men doing the minimum to live is growing. It will affect a lot of industries : housing, luxury and female consumption. Men wont have enough to cater / simp to the ladies.

 

[LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY]

Some brands are already starting to bring some MGTOW / men are valuable into their communication strategy.

Cant wait to see how the next Valentine's day gonna do commercially.

DRAGONBALL Z is will be sold in the same period.

You already know where my money will go lol

 

[sunlord]

There are dozens of philosophies in mgtow in accordance to the different types of mgtow.

There are some men who are only mgtow because they see that traditionalism is shunned, and that females have more power without responsibility. So they want a return to a common sense social contract. That's all traditionalism and gender roles are is a social contract between the sexes.

Traditionalism is a social contract that works only because men are the 100% source of the substances that females desire: food shelter clothing protection. Men were smart enough to decide that those who provide such amenities should be the ones in charge.

This set up works until civilization is advanced enough that females feel entitled to the system protecting them and forget that men imbue the system, without the men their is no system only a void. There's nothing that stands between a woman and her fear of everything that she thinks can happen.

Lol

Due to technology advances the economy is becoming more knowledge base...meaning more jobs that don't require physical strength...more jobs for women...less jobs of the past

Not to mention globalization

So considering women now can provide these things for themselves, why is traditionalism even necessary for anyone or attractive considering the constraints

Even, like I said, u argue traditional gender roles its more "efficient" shit is oppression

In a free society a man or woman should be able to choice to be a provider and or provided for...a home maker...stay at parent

Anything less is the opposite of freedom

Talk shit about modern feminism, I'll join you...but a lot of things u niggas advocate is no better

WELL I do advocate for traditionalism. It's either traditionalism or mgtow and the long term results of mgtow will either force women back into traditionalism or cause the collapse of western society.

and yes the economy is more knowledge based but the vast majority of women don't have the temperament or desire to stick to many of those stem careers. Traditionalism is not just about men providing for women because women cannot do so for themselves..... it is largely about protecting women from the bad impulses of men and protecting them from THE MEN of other societies this giving the protectors a feeling of responsibility/ownership over those women.

This made the men of any particular society care about the women in that society as it is now MEN HAVE STARTED TO not give a fuck about women.

social constraints are a good and needed without them men tend to not don't give a shit about their offspring. There are a lot of black men like this right now. freedom is not free is comes with conditions that must be met. what you feminist want in many cases resembles libertinism not liberty. YOU want to do whatever you want but you want society/men to pay for it.

What???

Men tend to not don't give a shit about their offspring???

Where do I begin...

This is not the stone age or medieval times for one

We pay ppl via taxes and other means to do the protecting and enforce order

Men and women have a role to play but its possible to structure a soceity whereas it does not come at the expense of the greater good and cost us a great deal of our personal freedoms...

I for example don't like how cs is calculated and enforced

And having been given the opportunity women have made gains in STEM industry so the desire is there...and while both genders have their strength and weaknesses, women have shown to be just as capable as men in most areas

So yes traditonalism is becoming obosolete... and I really don't see how u would actually get enough ppl to comply outside of physical force and government coercion

WITHOUT social constraints men tend not to give a fuck about their children..... back in the day a man would be considered less than garbage for not taking care of his lawful children today having bastard children has become almost normalized and just paying CHILD SUPPORT is not taking care of your child

MEN PAY TAXES AND MEN ENFORCE ORDER because they care about the safety of their property, we feel invested in society because we have wives children and property to protect without the wife and the children all that remains is selfish interest which means at the point men will no longer have any interest in protecting women or constraining our sexual behavior towards women.

PART of being an adult especially being a man is recognizing that personal freedoms must be sacrificed for the greater good, men have always accepted this as a natural part of being an adult man. Women however had to be forced to accept this and they resented this because of that women rebelled and created feminism to "free" them.

Now men in a sense have stated to rebel, so we have MGTOW. MEN AND WOMEN have to be united to sustains a cohesive society but today the genders are splitting apart.... which means things are collapsing at which point women will come crawling back to men because they won't be able to compete against more aggressive men who truly don't give a fuck about their feelings or notions of equality.... this has already begun many young women today have started to turn against feminism.

Most women hate stem they cannot sustain themselves in stem careers for very long they leave stem jobs after a few years. My argument is not that women are incapable of doing stem just that they don't like it because stem jobs come with a certain culture that feels very unnatural to the moods of women.

ahhhhh nah.

i know alot of black women in stem. they are doing very well for themselves.

now with that said.....alot of them cant be told shit either. they want the earning potential but thats ubntil a dude can come an "free" them of the burden of work.

i refuse to let my lady retire..because we can use her resources for our gain towards our retirement. her freinds call her weak for that. but none of them bitches happy either.

The statistics and numbers don't agree with you because women are vastly under represented in stem..... and the harder and more unforgivable the particular scientific field is less women you will find in it. In addition less than 10% of women graduate with stem degrees.

 

[LPast]

Maternity nor Paternity leave are fair to the employer. It's not to an employer's benefit to pay for an employee to take up a space when they aren't producing. A woman having a child is a unilateral decision. Her job isn't involved, her man, if any, isn't involved. The only fair thing to do is to get rid of maternity leave all together.

Women should make a choice do you want to be a career woman or a mom. You can't do both effectively without making an uninvolved third party pay then you can't do both.

This is just foolish. Think about this from an owners point of view. Why have PTO? Why have sick days?

You pay people because of what they bring to the table, not because you want to pay them 60% of their salary for 6 weeks...

Shit like this is why millennials don't stay a job for more than 3 years.

 

[LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY]

Its one thing to ask for respect, justice and recognition provided you ve earned them. When you want it handed out because of such and such reason, and above logic, you got it fucked up.

Feminist got tooo greedy. Now they are starting to eat the pie they have cooked.

Either they adapt to what they have created or they are humble enough to reconsider and negociate.

 

[LordZuko]

Maternity nor Paternity leave are fair to the employer. It's not to an employer's benefit to pay for an employee to take up a space when they aren't producing. A woman having a child is a unilateral decision. Her job isn't involved, her man, if any, isn't involved. The only fair thing to do is to get rid of maternity leave all together.

Women should make a choice do you want to be a career woman or a mom. You can't do both effectively without making an uninvolved third party pay then you can't do both.

This is just foolish. Think about this from an owners point of view. Why have PTO? Why have sick days?

You pay people because of what they bring to the table, not because you want to pay them 60% of their salary for 6 weeks...

Shit like this is why millennials don't stay a job for more than 3 years.

You earn pto and you earn sick days. Every 40hours on the gig nets you x amount of pto and sick time. You can only accumulate a max for both days, they don't roll over and you have to request to use your pto.

With ml or pl that's six weeks per child and it doesn't matter when you get to the gig. It's just time the company has to give to you. Six weeks paying someone who isn't there because of a personal decision.

If you're not there for six weeks per child, You're not bringing shit to the table.

If i were an employer and had to choose between a career woman or man vs a baby factory, I'm choosing the former.

Not getting ml is not why millenials are leaving work. Millenials aren't even having babies like that. Thanks for pulling that shit out your ass and trying to present it as a golden nugget of truth.

 

[LPast]

Maternity nor Paternity leave are fair to the employer. It's not to an employer's benefit to pay for an employee to take up a space when they aren't producing. A woman having a child is a unilateral decision. Her job isn't involved, her man, if any, isn't involved. The only fair thing to do is to get rid of maternity leave all together.

Women should make a choice do you want to be a career woman or a mom. You can't do both effectively without making an uninvolved third party pay then you can't do both.

This is just foolish. Think about this from an owners point of view. Why have PTO? Why have sick days?

You pay people because of what they bring to the table, not because you want to pay them 60% of their salary for 6 weeks...

Shit like this is why millennials don't stay a job for more than 3 years.

You earn pto and you earn sick days. Every 40hours on the gig nets you x amount of pto and sick time. You can only accumulate a max for both days, they don't roll over and you have to request to use your pto.

With ml or pl that's six weeks per child and it doesn't matter when you get to the gig. It's just time the company has to give to you. Six weeks paying someone who isn't there because of a personal decision.

If you're not there for six weeks per child, You're not bringing shit to the table.

If i were an employer and had to choose between a career woman or man vs a baby factory, I'm choosing the former.

Not getting ml is not why millenials are leaving work. Millenials aren't even having babies like that. Thanks for pulling that shit out your ass and trying to present it as a golden nugget of truth.

What you aren't considering is that the woman that is out for 6 weeks may be a better employee than "career woman or man". That's why it's foolish to say such a blanket statement like that.

Millennials aren't staying on the job because of dumb employer decisions... Like you getting rid of maternity leave. They create environments for less employee loyalty.

 

[LordZuko]

Karen Straughan's video regarding the systematic sexism against men.


Sentencing bias against menhttps://www.law.umich.edu/newsandinfo/features/Pages/starr_gender_disparities.aspx

UK judges ordered to show more leniency to women. /news/article-1311004/Judges-ordered-mercy-women-criminals-deciding-sentences.html

Feminists rigging stats to show bias against women in the criminal justice system

blog/education-or-criminalization

In the vid she also posts articles regarding blatant sexism against boys in schools

Check those out as well.

 

[LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY]

Now women got to PAY for male friendship.

 

[LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY]

 

[The Lonious Monk]

This probably isn't on topic, but this is the topic where a bunch of dudes are whining and ranting about women and feminists, so it should be fair.

Anyway here is an article from the NYT.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/...gender.html?smid=pl-share&referer=android-app://com.google.android.gm

It's basically a chick whining about how boys and girls are raised differently. The thing that annoys me about shit like this is how these females refuse to understand that males and females are different. Why should boys and girls be raised the same? They shouldn't. She brings up that girls are raised more to be protective of themselves and their bodies. Well no shit. Women are the smaller weaker sex. There are bad men out there just like there are bad women. The difference is that it is far more likely that those bad men will be able to prey on unsuspecting women. Why wouldn't you try to prepare your daughter for that. Most of the article was about raising girls to "be good" and somehow making it seem like that was a bad thing. The writer even admits that the way we raise girls actually gives them an advantage in schools and other areas, then goes on to give some supposed bad side effects that aren't really backed by anything. For example, she points out that we raise them to be more caring about others and then says that can lead to women being subservient. How did she make that jump?

It's just ridiculous. I think these MGTOW dudes are lames, but I do get that shit like this is what births dudes like that. It seems like the path these women are pushing only leads to one of two places: either people become this culturally androgynous pit where biological sex has no meaning or men and women get tired of each and everyone goes their own way. Neither of those outcomes seems like a good thing.

 

[sunlord]

Maternity nor Paternity leave are fair to the employer. It's not to an employer's benefit to pay for an employee to take up a space when they aren't producing. A woman having a child is a unilateral decision. Her job isn't involved, her man, if any, isn't involved. The only fair thing to do is to get rid of maternity leave all together.

Women should make a choice do you want to be a career woman or a mom. You can't do both effectively without making an uninvolved third party pay then you can't do both.

This is just foolish. Think about this from an owners point of view. Why have PTO? Why have sick days?

You pay people because of what they bring to the table, not because you want to pay them 60% of their salary for 6 weeks...

Shit like this is why millennials don't stay a job for more than 3 years.

You earn pto and you earn sick days. Every 40hours on the gig nets you x amount of pto and sick time. You can only accumulate a max for both days, they don't roll over and you have to request to use your pto.

With ml or pl that's six weeks per child and it doesn't matter when you get to the gig. It's just time the company has to give to you. Six weeks paying someone who isn't there because of a personal decision.

If you're not there for six weeks per child, You're not bringing shit to the table.

If i were an employer and had to choose between a career woman or man vs a baby factory, I'm choosing the former.

Not getting ml is not why millenials are leaving work. Millenials aren't even having babies like that. Thanks for pulling that shit out your ass and trying to present it as a golden nugget of truth.

What you aren't considering is that the woman that is out for 6 weeks may be a better employee than "career woman or man". That's why it's foolish to say such a blanket statement like that.

Millennials aren't staying on the job because of dumb employer decisions... Like you getting rid of maternity leave. They create environments for less employee loyalty.

WHAT employers want Is more freedom to do as they please..... if a woman is a great asset to the business then she should logically get maternity leave and businesses would be willing to give it to her if they value her enough. BUT DON'T force businesses to give that shit to women who are unworthy of it just because they are having a baby.

Millennials are spoiled rotten little shits.

 

[LPast]

Maternity nor Paternity leave are fair to the employer. It's not to an employer's benefit to pay for an employee to take up a space when they aren't producing. A woman having a child is a unilateral decision. Her job isn't involved, her man, if any, isn't involved. The only fair thing to do is to get rid of maternity leave all together.

Women should make a choice do you want to be a career woman or a mom. You can't do both effectively without making an uninvolved third party pay then you can't do both.

This is just foolish. Think about this from an owners point of view. Why have PTO? Why have sick days?

You pay people because of what they bring to the table, not because you want to pay them 60% of their salary for 6 weeks...

Shit like this is why millennials don't stay a job for more than 3 years.

You earn pto and you earn sick days. Every 40hours on the gig nets you x amount of pto and sick time. You can only accumulate a max for both days, they don't roll over and you have to request to use your pto.

With ml or pl that's six weeks per child and it doesn't matter when you get to the gig. It's just time the company has to give to you. Six weeks paying someone who isn't there because of a personal decision.

If you're not there for six weeks per child, You're not bringing shit to the table.

If i were an employer and had to choose between a career woman or man vs a baby factory, I'm choosing the former.

Not getting ml is not why millenials are leaving work. Millenials aren't even having babies like that. Thanks for pulling that shit out your ass and trying to present it as a golden nugget of truth.

What you aren't considering is that the woman that is out for 6 weeks may be a better employee than "career woman or man". That's why it's foolish to say such a blanket statement like that.

Millennials aren't staying on the job because of dumb employer decisions... Like you getting rid of maternity leave. They create environments for less employee loyalty.

WHAT employers want Is more freedom to do as they please..... if a woman is a great asset to the business then she should logically get maternity leave and businesses would be willing to give it to her if they value her enough. BUT DON'T force businesses to give that shit to women who are unworthy of it just because they are having a baby.

Millennials are spoiled rotten little shits.

Fam... It's 6 weeks... I don't need to argue this because most employers would be dumb to not do it at this point.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I think men and women should get parental leave when a baby is born. That's kind of an important occurrence for our species.

That said, I could understand if it was a benefit that you had to build up sort of like vacation time.

 

[jono]

Canadians are on top of this dismantling whole feminism mess. They're just trapped in Canada.