MGTOWrama : A FEMINIZM CONSEQUENCE

[The Lonious Monk]

Did this nigga just say that men tend not to give a shit about their offspring? Ya'll niggas really are clowns.

NIGGA CAN YOU READ.....

social constraints are a good and needed without them men tend to not don't give a shit about their offspring.

Is that not what you said? Are you not saying that men don't give a shit about their kids and that's why the social constraints are needed?

The reasons why a nigga can have 10 baby mothers and 15 children in this social and economic climate is because he does not really care about his children

You niggas stay with these dumbass generalizations. How many niggas have 10 baby mothers and 15 children?

Nigga pay attention and stop asking me stupid fucking questions. I am not going over the same shit again and again with you. You do this bullshit in every thread AND all it does is bog down the thread in diversions. The point is that without social constraints on male sexuality WE GO wild and this typically hurts our children and family

obviously I used an exaggeration to prove a greater point although quite frankly there are many man out there with multiple children from different women so it's not even really that exaggerated.

Nigga, I got your point. All you did was rephrase the same shit you said before in a slightly less stupid way. You kill me with this silly tactic of yours where you say dumb shit and then try to turn it on other people when they call you on it.

And the issue isn't men having multiple kids by multiple women. The bullshit point you're trying to push is that men need social constraints to be good fathers. You niggas spent half this topic saying you got facts, so give the data to prove that shit you're spouting or shut the fuck up. Spoiler: You can't because the CDC numbers show that even if they aren't in the house with their kids, the majority of black fathers (for example) care about the welfare of their kids and are active in their lives.

 

[sunlord]

Did this nigga just say that men tend not to give a shit about their offspring? Ya'll niggas really are clowns.

NIGGA CAN YOU READ.....

social constraints are a good and needed without them men tend to not don't give a shit about their offspring.

Is that not what you said? Are you not saying that men don't give a shit about their kids and that's why the social constraints are needed?

The reasons why a nigga can have 10 baby mothers and 15 children in this social and economic climate is because he does not really care about his children

You niggas stay with these dumbass generalizations. How many niggas have 10 baby mothers and 15 children?

Nigga pay attention and stop asking me stupid fucking questions. I am not going over the same shit again and again with you. You do this bullshit in every thread AND all it does is bog down the thread in diversions. The point is that without social constraints on male sexuality WE GO wild and this typically hurts our children and family

obviously I used an exaggeration to prove a greater point although quite frankly there are many man out there with multiple children from different women so it's not even really that exaggerated.

Nigga, I got your point. All you did was rephrase the same shit you said before in a slightly less stupid way. You kill me with this silly tactic of yours where you say dumb shit and then try to turn it on other people when they call you on it.

And the issue isn't men having multiple kids by multiple women. The bullshit point you're trying to push is that men need social constraints to be good fathers. You niggas spent half this topic saying you got facts, so give the data to prove that shit you're spouting or shut the fuck up. Spoiler: You can't because the CDC numbers show that even if they aren't in the house with their kids, the majority of black fathers (for example) care about the welfare of their kids and are active in their lives.

smh.... obviously I am taking umbrage with how agencies like the CDC would define " taking care of there kids.

You are not properly taking care of your children if they all come from multiple different women... sorry but even if you are a millionaire you cannot properly father multiple children from multiple women and I don't give a fuck what the CDC may have to say about it. ACTIONS SPEAK louder than words. Now kindly crawl back in your asshole and shut the fuck up.

I will go as far as to say not only do you need social constraints to be a good DAD you need them to be a good citizen and human being period.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Did this nigga just say that men tend not to give a shit about their offspring? Ya'll niggas really are clowns.

NIGGA CAN YOU READ.....

social constraints are a good and needed without them men tend to not don't give a shit about their offspring.

Is that not what you said? Are you not saying that men don't give a shit about their kids and that's why the social constraints are needed?

The reasons why a nigga can have 10 baby mothers and 15 children in this social and economic climate is because he does not really care about his children

You niggas stay with these dumbass generalizations. How many niggas have 10 baby mothers and 15 children?

Nigga pay attention and stop asking me stupid fucking questions. I am not going over the same shit again and again with you. You do this bullshit in every thread AND all it does is bog down the thread in diversions. The point is that without social constraints on male sexuality WE GO wild and this typically hurts our children and family

obviously I used an exaggeration to prove a greater point although quite frankly there are many man out there with multiple children from different women so it's not even really that exaggerated.

Nigga, I got your point. All you did was rephrase the same shit you said before in a slightly less stupid way. You kill me with this silly tactic of yours where you say dumb shit and then try to turn it on other people when they call you on it.

And the issue isn't men having multiple kids by multiple women. The bullshit point you're trying to push is that men need social constraints to be good fathers. You niggas spent half this topic saying you got facts, so give the data to prove that shit you're spouting or shut the fuck up. Spoiler: You can't because the CDC numbers show that even if they aren't in the house with their kids, the majority of black fathers (for example) care about the welfare of their kids and are active in their lives.

smh.... obviously I am taking umbrage with how agencies like the CDC would define " taking care of there kids.

You are not properly taking care of your children if they all come from multiple different women... sorry but even if you are a millionaire you cannot properly father multiple children from multiple women and I don't give a fuck what the CDC may have to say about it. ACTIONS SPEAK louder than words. Now kindly crawl back in your asshole and shut the fuck up.

I will go as far as to say not only do you need social constraints to be a good DAD you need them to be a good citizen and human being period.

lol So it's all opinions and nothing more. That's fine, you're free to have them just like anyone else.

If your last sentence is all you're saying, then I got no problem with it at all. I haven't read through all this battling you guys are doing, so I might have missed something. Maybe you have said this, but couldn't it just as easily be said that women need social constraints to be good moms?

 

[sunlord]

Did this nigga just say that men tend not to give a shit about their offspring? Ya'll niggas really are clowns.

NIGGA CAN YOU READ.....

social constraints are a good and needed without them men tend to not don't give a shit about their offspring.

Is that not what you said? Are you not saying that men don't give a shit about their kids and that's why the social constraints are needed?

The reasons why a nigga can have 10 baby mothers and 15 children in this social and economic climate is because he does not really care about his children

You niggas stay with these dumbass generalizations. How many niggas have 10 baby mothers and 15 children?

Nigga pay attention and stop asking me stupid fucking questions. I am not going over the same shit again and again with you. You do this bullshit in every thread AND all it does is bog down the thread in diversions. The point is that without social constraints on male sexuality WE GO wild and this typically hurts our children and family

obviously I used an exaggeration to prove a greater point although quite frankly there are many man out there with multiple children from different women so it's not even really that exaggerated.

Nigga, I got your point. All you did was rephrase the same shit you said before in a slightly less stupid way. You kill me with this silly tactic of yours where you say dumb shit and then try to turn it on other people when they call you on it.

And the issue isn't men having multiple kids by multiple women. The bullshit point you're trying to push is that men need social constraints to be good fathers. You niggas spent half this topic saying you got facts, so give the data to prove that shit you're spouting or shut the fuck up. Spoiler: You can't because the CDC numbers show that even if they aren't in the house with their kids, the majority of black fathers (for example) care about the welfare of their kids and are active in their lives.

smh.... obviously I am taking umbrage with how agencies like the CDC would define " taking care of there kids.

You are not properly taking care of your children if they all come from multiple different women... sorry but even if you are a millionaire you cannot properly father multiple children from multiple women and I don't give a fuck what the CDC may have to say about it. ACTIONS SPEAK louder than words. Now kindly crawl back in your asshole and shut the fuck up.

I will go as far as to say not only do you need social constraints to be a good DAD you need them to be a good citizen and human being period.

lol So it's all opinions and nothing more. That's fine, you're free to have them just like anyone else.

If your last sentence is all you're saying, then I got no problem with it at all. I haven't read through all this battling you guys are doing, so I might have missed something. Maybe you have said this, but couldn't it just as easily be said that women need social constraints to be good moms?

YES women need constraints.

 

[LordZuko]

You know what would've kept a lot of families from also going hungry? Less fuckin kids.

State assistance exacerbates poverty by shielding women from the most horrible consequences watching her children die of starvation then herself dying.

Preventing people from suffering consequences enables them to continue down the wrong path.

You keep bringing children into the mix as if they are anything but the product of a woman's decision to let a nigga skeet in her.

And now you're trying to use black vets as a shield to hide black feminist fuckery. Like you conveniently ignore that so quickly agreed to caveats that a man could not be in the home thus making the white state, white daddy. A position black females are all too familiar and comfortable with.

The lie of the beneficent saintly black bitch doing whatever to keep her family afloat is a terrible lie that needs to die.

@Madame_CJSkywalker insistence of using this narrative is why i don't respect nor trust women. They do not take accountability nor accept responsibility for their decisions and the outcomes

Using blk vets as a shield?

Nigga was there not a 20 yr war beginning in the 50s ending in the 70s that impacted the constitution of millions of families...were blk men not drafted and sent away to die leaving their families behind?

Was there not a war on drug? No crack or heroin epidemic? Gang violence wasn't worst in the 70s, 80s, early 90s?

And children are impacted by government policy and our decisions? Right.

But we should let them starve to spite their mothers? Many single mothers started off young themselves. Young ppl make mistakes. God forbid we give ppl latitude to make mistakes

And what about the two parent households who have to use state assistance...the widows...the disabled ...etc

Not to mention there has been no indication that state assistance causes or exacerbates single parent households

And evidence says it does shrink poverty

Actually the countries with the strongest safety nets and similar percentage of single mothers have less poverty

The unemployment rate for blk ppl particularly blk men has always been double that whites ...the decision not to marry to get state assistance was out of necessity for most blk women

The marriage penalty to signing up for welfare was a compromise and ultimately the decision of white male politician's looking to cut welfare spending to pay for tax cuts for their friends

This idea that a lot of blk women were purposely keeping the father of their children out the household and out of their childrens lives simply because they welfare is the falsehood that needs to die

And just because a mothers isn't married doesn't mean the father of her children isn't an active participant in the child's life...so census data which is where we get the 72% figure from doesn't tell the whole story

I hate this argument because outside of it using men as a shield. It's part of that feminist doctrine that women are the greatest casualties of war.

2) this bitch Just drew a causation without even establishing a strong correlation.

This is how you do it.

Black men were 12% of vietnam enlisted.

Black men were 14% of the casualties

The average age of marriage in 1960 (u.s. vietnam involvement) is 22

The average age of a Black draftee was 20-22

The average age of a Black causality is 21

There are under 20k deaths of married men in Vietnam
http://history-world.org/vietnam_war_statistics.htm

The rate of out of wedlock births was actually lower than white women at this time
https://www.google.com/search?q=out+of+wedlock+births+in+1960&oq=out+of+wedlock+births+in+1960&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2.14204j0j7&client=ms-android-boost-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=90Cb8Fxc77feWM:

So in 1960 the black men in Vietnam weren't married and weren't leaving behind a bunch of babies

 

[LordZuko]

I'm not done yet I'm just driving now

 

[LordZuko]

The reality is that black women were kicking their men out of their homes when the factory jobs dried up. They were then able to collect welfare.

Coinciding with the welfare reform acts the rate of unmarried child births raised to 14%

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

There are dozens of philosophies in mgtow in accordance to the different types of mgtow.

There are some men who are only mgtow because they see that traditionalism is shunned, and that females have more power without responsibility. So they want a return to a common sense social contract. That's all traditionalism and gender roles are is a social contract between the sexes.

Traditionalism is a social contract that works only because men are the 100% source of the substances that females desire: food shelter clothing protection. Men were smart enough to decide that those who provide such amenities should be the ones in charge.

This set up works until civilization is advanced enough that females feel entitled to the system protecting them and forget that men imbue the system, without the men their is no system only a void. There's nothing that stands between a woman and her fear of everything that she thinks can happen.

Lol

Due to technology advances the economy is becoming more knowledge base...meaning more jobs that don't require physical strength...more jobs for women...less jobs of the past

Not to mention globalization

So considering women now can provide these things for themselves, why is traditionalism even necessary for anyone or attractive considering the constraints

Even, like I said, u argue traditional gender roles its more "efficient" shit is oppression

In a free society a man or woman should be able to choice to be a provider and or provided for...a home maker...stay at parent

Anything less is the opposite of freedom

Talk shit about modern feminism, I'll join you...but a lot of things u niggas advocate is no better

WELL I do advocate for traditionalism. It's either traditionalism or mgtow and the long term results of mgtow will either force women back into traditionalism or cause the collapse of western society.

and yes the economy is more knowledge based but the vast majority of women don't have the temperament or desire to stick to many of those stem careers. Traditionalism is not just about men providing for women because women cannot do so for themselves..... it is largely about protecting women from the bad impulses of men and protecting them from THE MEN of other societies this giving the protectors a feeling of responsibility/ownership over those women.

This made the men of any particular society care about the women in that society as it is now MEN HAVE STARTED TO not give a fuck about women.

social constraints are a good and needed without them men tend to not don't give a shit about their offspring. There are a lot of black men like this right now. freedom is not free is comes with conditions that must be met. what you feminist want in many cases resembles libertinism not liberty. YOU want to do whatever you want but you want society/men to pay for it.

What???

Men tend to not don't give a shit about their offspring???

Where do I begin...

This is not the stone age or medieval times for one

We pay ppl via taxes and other means to do the protecting and enforce order

Men and women have a role to play but its possible to structure a soceity whereas it does not come at the expense of the greater good and cost us a great deal of our personal freedoms...

I for example don't like how cs is calculated and enforced

And having been given the opportunity women have made gains in STEM industry so the desire is there...and while both genders have their strength and weaknesses, women have shown to be just as capable as men in most areas

So yes traditonalism is becoming obosolete... and I really don't see how u would actually get enough ppl to comply outside of physical force and government coercion

WITHOUT social constraints men tend not to give a fuck about their children..... back in the day a man would be considered less than garbage for not taking care of his lawful children today having bastard children has become almost normalized and just paying CHILD SUPPORT is not taking care of your child

MEN PAY TAXES AND MEN ENFORCE ORDER because they care about the safety of their property, we feel invested in society because we have wives children and property to protect without the wife and the children all that remains is selfish interest which means at the point men will no longer have any interest in protecting women or constraining our sexual behavior towards women.

PART of being an adult especially being a man is recognizing that personal freedoms must be sacrificed for the greater good, men have always accepted this as a natural part of being an adult man. Women however had to be forced to accept this and they resented this because of that women rebelled and created feminism to "free" them.

Now men in a sense have stated to rebel, so we have MGTOW. MEN AND WOMEN have to be united to sustains a cohesive society but today the genders are splitting apart.... which means things are collapsing at which point women will come crawling back to men because they won't be able to compete against more aggressive men who truly don't give a fuck about their feelings or notions of equality.... this has already begun many young women today have started to turn against feminism.

Most women hate stem they cannot sustain themselves in stem careers for very long they leave stem jobs after a few years. My argument is not that women are incapable of doing stem just that they don't like it because stem jobs come with a certain culture that feels very unnatural to the moods of women.

Yea

Again this isnt medieval times

Both men and women pay taxes and play a role in keeping their investments, communities, and countries safe and running

Most women hate stem? Receipts. Not a lot of women graduate with STEM degrees but that doesn't mean they hate STEM

And by STEM culture? You referring to the prevalence of sexual harassment.

For example women make up 20% of engineering graduates, but it’s been estimated that nearly 40% of women who earn engineering degrees either quit or never enter the profession.

They do just as well or better than their male counterparts. But many report to being sexually harassed. That's ok with you? Or they lying to save face
https://hbr.org/2016/08/why-do-so-many-women-who-study-engineering-leave-the-field

Also how would u explain why ppl of color are more likely to leave the STEM industry? Many report racist comments and being pigeonholed. They lying too?

And stop romanticizing the past

In modern times it was always frowned upon, even today, for a father to abandon his children

And while the popularity of marriage has declined, now fathers are actually penalized and shamed for not taking care of their children out of wedlock whereas they could just walk away from illegitimate children in the past

Go back 70, 80 yrs ago and it was actually more common for men to have multiple families spread across the country

Men would regularly leave their families months or years at a time without harsh consequence

Considering where we started I'd argue we live in a more just and moral society...which isn't saying a whole a lot..shit is still fucked

But yes continue to fear monger about how we should prioritize the feelings of men over all else...and shame on women wanting to take part in the labor force and be treated as partners rather than just existing to serve solely as wives and mothers

Cool

 

[The Lonious Monk]

YES women need constraints.

Then we don't really disagree here. I don't really see how this comes down to a male vs female thing. People ain't shit in general. We all need to be constrained to live in a functioning society. That's why these super liberal "let's let everyone do what they want" people are crazy.

I hate this argument because outside of it using men as a shield. It's part of that feminist doctrine that women are the greatest casualties of war.

2) this bitch Just drew a causation without even establishing a strong correlation.

This is how you do it.

Black men were 12% of vietnam enlisted.

Black men were 14% of the casualties

The average age of marriage in 1960 (u.s. vietnam involvement) is 22

The average age of a Black draftee was 20-22

The average age of a Black causality is 21

There are under 20k deaths of married men in Vietnam
http://history-world.org/vietnam_war_statistics.htm

The rate of out of wedlock births was actually lower than white women at this time
https://www.google.com/search?q=out+of+wedlock+births+in+1960&oq=out+of+wedlock+births+in+1960&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2.14204j0j7&client=ms-android-boost-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=90Cb8Fxc77feWM:

So in 1960 the black men in Vietnam weren't married and weren't leaving behind a bunch of babies

I do think it's funny how black feminists are quick to say that they aren't into a competition between who has gotten it the worst, but every time they speak on something, it always goes to how they have it so much worse than everyone else.

 

[sunlord]

@Madame_CJSkywalker

women really don't play much of a role in protecting society at all, the military protects us from outside forces and the police forces usually* protect us from internal harm. both the military and police forces are majority male.

MY reasoning behind saying women hate stem comes from the fact even when they graduate with a stem degree they don't stay in it very long and this suggest that women don't have the needed commitment to a job in stem.

No. by stem culture I was referring the work place culture of many professions. LOOK construction workers have a way of speaking and interacting with each other that differs from people working on wall street, each profession has a different work place culture the fact that women are dropping out of stem even after having used thousands of tax payer dollars to get educated suggest that many of these women either cannot hack it or cannot fit into the culture.

IF A black man is racially abused in one job he may leave it but leaving the whole industry??? nah most black men won't do that we will just look for a job elsewhere in the same industry women however seem to be leaving the industry.

there may have been some men who got away with the fuckery you just described but compare the numbers of bastard children with no dad living in the home from 60 years ago with what we have today??? today is much worse. so yeah people like you managed to punish some men but as a result of some of the other changes you made things got worse. So when it comes to sexuality we live in a much more amoral time. Mothers and wives are partners but they can never be equal..... real EQUALITY is a fantasy that we shall never attain.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

You know what would've kept a lot of families from also going hungry? Less fuckin kids.

State assistance exacerbates poverty by shielding women from the most horrible consequences watching her children die of starvation then herself dying.

Preventing people from suffering consequences enables them to continue down the wrong path.

You keep bringing children into the mix as if they are anything but the product of a woman's decision to let a nigga skeet in her.

And now you're trying to use black vets as a shield to hide black feminist fuckery. Like you conveniently ignore that so quickly agreed to caveats that a man could not be in the home thus making the white state, white daddy. A position black females are all too familiar and comfortable with.

The lie of the beneficent saintly black bitch doing whatever to keep her family afloat is a terrible lie that needs to die.

@Madame_CJSkywalker insistence of using this narrative is why i don't respect nor trust women. They do not take accountability nor accept responsibility for their decisions and the outcomes

Using blk vets as a shield?

Nigga was there not a 20 yr war beginning in the 50s ending in the 70s that impacted the constitution of millions of families...were blk men not drafted and sent away to die leaving their families behind?

Was there not a war on drug? No crack or heroin epidemic? Gang violence wasn't worst in the 70s, 80s, early 90s?

And children are impacted by government policy and our decisions? Right.

But we should let them starve to spite their mothers? Many single mothers started off young themselves. Young ppl make mistakes. God forbid we give ppl latitude to make mistakes

And what about the two parent households who have to use state assistance...the widows...the disabled ...etc

Not to mention there has been no indication that state assistance causes or exacerbates single parent households

And evidence says it does shrink poverty

Actually the countries with the strongest safety nets and similar percentage of single mothers have less poverty

The unemployment rate for blk ppl particularly blk men has always been double that whites ...the decision not to marry to get state assistance was out of necessity for most blk women

The marriage penalty to signing up for welfare was a compromise and ultimately the decision of white male politician's looking to cut welfare spending to pay for tax cuts for their friends

This idea that a lot of blk women were purposely keeping the father of their children out the household and out of their childrens lives simply because they welfare is the falsehood that needs to die

And just because a mothers isn't married doesn't mean the father of her children isn't an active participant in the child's life...so census data which is where we get the 72% figure from doesn't tell the whole story

I hate this argument because outside of it using men as a shield. It's part of that feminist doctrine that women are the greatest casualties of war.

2) this bitch Just drew a causation without even establishing a strong correlation.

This is how you do it.

Black men were 12% of vietnam enlisted.

Black men were 14% of the casualties

The average age of marriage in 1960 (u.s. vietnam involvement) is 22

The average age of a Black draftee was 20-22

The average age of a Black causality is 21

There are under 20k deaths of married men in Vietnam
http://history-world.org/vietnam_war_statistics.htm

The rate of out of wedlock births was actually lower than white women at this time
https://www.google.com/search?q=out+of+wedlock+births+in+1960&oq=out+of+wedlock+births+in+1960&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2.14204j0j7&client=ms-android-boost-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=90Cb8Fxc77feWM:

So in 1960 the black men in Vietnam weren't married and weren't leaving behind a bunch of babies

Since 1950 illegitimacy rate was always higher for blk ppl than white ppl
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ver-the-last-50-years/?utm_term=.0692560acf45

Just because blk vets werent married doesn't mean they didnt have children or wasnt contributing financially to a household

And yes thousands and thousands died

Also you failed to mention the thousands who came back severely injured and mentally scarred from the war leaving them unable to work and or turned to substance abuse...many went on to have children

I also mentioned the war on drugs, the heroin and crack epidemic, gang violence

My intial argument was these events contributed to the rise of single parent house holds and the choice to either marry or ask for gov assitance ... Again the status of single doesnt necessarily mean the father is not around

 

[LordZuko]

Get up on the Moynihan report

 

[sunlord]

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

YES women need constraints.

Then we don't really disagree here. I don't really see how this comes down to a male vs female thing. People ain't shit in general. We all need to be constrained to live in a functioning society. That's why these super liberal "let's let everyone do what they want" people are crazy.

I hate this argument because outside of it using men as a shield. It's part of that feminist doctrine that women are the greatest casualties of war.

2) this bitch Just drew a causation without even establishing a strong correlation.

This is how you do it.

Black men were 12% of vietnam enlisted.

Black men were 14% of the casualties

The average age of marriage in 1960 (u.s. vietnam involvement) is 22

The average age of a Black draftee was 20-22

The average age of a Black causality is 21

There are under 20k deaths of married men in Vietnam
http://history-world.org/vietnam_war_statistics.htm

The rate of out of wedlock births was actually lower than white women at this time
https://www.google.com/search?q=out+of+wedlock+births+in+1960&oq=out+of+wedlock+births+in+1960&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2.14204j0j7&client=ms-android-boost-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=90Cb8Fxc77feWM:

So in 1960 the black men in Vietnam weren't married and weren't leaving behind a bunch of babies

I do think it's funny how black feminists are quick to say that they aren't into a competition between who has gotten it the worst, but every time they speak on something, it always goes to how they have it so much worse than everyone else.

Wtf?

How was I trying to turn this into a contest????

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

@Madame_CJSkywalker

women really don't play much of a role in protecting society at all, the military protects us from outside forces and the police forces usually* protect us from internal harm. both the military and police forces are majority male.

MY reasoning behind saying women hate stem comes from the fact even when they graduate with a stem degree they don't stay in it very long and this suggest that women don't have the needed commitment to a job in stem.

No. by stem culture I was referring the work place culture of many professions. LOOK construction workers have a way of speaking and interacting with each other that differs from people working on wall street, each profession has a different work place culture the fact that women are dropping out of stem even after having used thousands of tax payer dollars to get educated suggest that many of these women either cannot hack it or cannot fit into the culture.

IF A black man is racially abused in one job he may leave it but leaving the whole industry??? nah most black men won't do that we will just look for a job elsewhere in the same industry women however seem to be leaving the industry.

there may have been some men who got away with the fuckery you just described but compare the numbers of bastard children with no dad living in the home from 60 years ago with what we have today??? today is much worse. so yeah people like you managed to punish some men but as a result of some of the other changes you made things got worse. So when it comes to sexuality we live in a much more amoral time. Mothers and wives are partners but they can never be equal..... real EQUALITY is a fantasy that we shall never attain.

Sigh...

Sure

Women are lesser... Can't hack it in STEM

Nevermind there being a culture of sexual harrasment

Deal with it

And back in the day everything was sweet

Ok...cool

Gotcha

 

[sunlord]

@Madame_CJSkywalker

women really don't play much of a role in protecting society at all, the military protects us from outside forces and the police forces usually* protect us from internal harm. both the military and police forces are majority male.

MY reasoning behind saying women hate stem comes from the fact even when they graduate with a stem degree they don't stay in it very long and this suggest that women don't have the needed commitment to a job in stem.

No. by stem culture I was referring the work place culture of many professions. LOOK construction workers have a way of speaking and interacting with each other that differs from people working on wall street, each profession has a different work place culture the fact that women are dropping out of stem even after having used thousands of tax payer dollars to get educated suggest that many of these women either cannot hack it or cannot fit into the culture.

IF A black man is racially abused in one job he may leave it but leaving the whole industry??? nah most black men won't do that we will just look for a job elsewhere in the same industry women however seem to be leaving the industry.

there may have been some men who got away with the fuckery you just described but compare the numbers of bastard children with no dad living in the home from 60 years ago with what we have today??? today is much worse. so yeah people like you managed to punish some men but as a result of some of the other changes you made things got worse. So when it comes to sexuality we live in a much more amoral time. Mothers and wives are partners but they can never be equal..... real EQUALITY is a fantasy that we shall never attain.

Sigh...

Sure

Women are lesser... Can't hack it in STEM

Nevermind there being a culture of sexual harrasment

Deal with it

And back in the day everything was sweet

Ok...cool

Gotcha

There is no epidemic of sexual harassment in stem. Women are less interested in stem. everything was not perfect but when is comes to gender relations things were much or effective, safe and overall just better for all parties concerned. watch the video

 

[sunlord]

there are more women in nursing fields but you don't see the men in those fields bitching and crying about sexual harassment or complaining about the female dominated culture in those fields.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

YES women need constraints.

Then we don't really disagree here. I don't really see how this comes down to a male vs female thing. People ain't shit in general. We all need to be constrained to live in a functioning society. That's why these super liberal "let's let everyone do what they want" people are crazy.

I hate this argument because outside of it using men as a shield. It's part of that feminist doctrine that women are the greatest casualties of war.

2) this bitch Just drew a causation without even establishing a strong correlation.

This is how you do it.

Black men were 12% of vietnam enlisted.

Black men were 14% of the casualties

The average age of marriage in 1960 (u.s. vietnam involvement) is 22

The average age of a Black draftee was 20-22

The average age of a Black causality is 21

There are under 20k deaths of married men in Vietnam
http://history-world.org/vietnam_war_statistics.htm

The rate of out of wedlock births was actually lower than white women at this time
https://www.google.com/search?q=out+of+wedlock+births+in+1960&oq=out+of+wedlock+births+in+1960&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2.14204j0j7&client=ms-android-boost-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=90Cb8Fxc77feWM:

So in 1960 the black men in Vietnam weren't married and weren't leaving behind a bunch of babies

I do think it's funny how black feminists are quick to say that they aren't into a competition between who has gotten it the worst, but every time they speak on something, it always goes to how they have it so much worse than everyone else.

Wtf?

How was I trying to turn this into a contest????

I wasn't talking about you. I haven't even been reading most of what ya'll were saying. I was talking about @LordZuko's comment on a particular line of feminist argument.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

Get up on the Moynihan report

Read up on for school years ago

Not all of it was bad...had its good points

Moynihan report actually recommended the government educate and employ and or help blk men find work so they would essentially be marriage material

At the time its critics disagreed with some of his assessments felt it was victim blaming

The Kerner report is a good companion piece.

It was released in the 1960s to help end racial discrimination in Detroit and the nation

Naturally the fed ignored their recommendations as well
http://michiganradio.org/post/kerner-commission-and-why-its-recommendations-were-ignored

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

YES women need constraints.

Then we don't really disagree here. I don't really see how this comes down to a male vs female thing. People ain't shit in general. We all need to be constrained to live in a functioning society. That's why these super liberal "let's let everyone do what they want" people are crazy.

I hate this argument because outside of it using men as a shield. It's part of that feminist doctrine that women are the greatest casualties of war.

2) this bitch Just drew a causation without even establishing a strong correlation.

This is how you do it.

Black men were 12% of vietnam enlisted.

Black men were 14% of the casualties

The average age of marriage in 1960 (u.s. vietnam involvement) is 22

The average age of a Black draftee was 20-22

The average age of a Black causality is 21

There are under 20k deaths of married men in Vietnam
http://history-world.org/vietnam_war_statistics.htm

The rate of out of wedlock births was actually lower than white women at this time
https://www.google.com/search?q=out+of+wedlock+births+in+1960&oq=out+of+wedlock+births+in+1960&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2.14204j0j7&client=ms-android-boost-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=90Cb8Fxc77feWM:

So in 1960 the black men in Vietnam weren't married and weren't leaving behind a bunch of babies

I do think it's funny how black feminists are quick to say that they aren't into a competition between who has gotten it the worst, but every time they speak on something, it always goes to how they have it so much worse than everyone else.

Wtf?

How was I trying to turn this into a contest????

I wasn't talking about you. I haven't even been reading most of what ya'll were saying. I was talking about @LordZuko's comment on a particular line of feminist argument.

Ok. I agree it does happen

Everyone does that to a certain extent

In this thread ive literally been asked as to how women have oppressed

I answered in america colleges didnt accepting female students for a while or women couldnt vote

And the response was well poor ppl had it rough too. What about blk men