MGTOWrama : A FEMINIZM CONSEQUENCE

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

Just reading YouTube comments

It's funny I think the group who hates feminism more than the IC is white supremacist which is kind of ....

Is ironic the right word? Lol

Not really, since feminism is primarily a white woman's movement.

Black feminists are nothing more than pawns on their chessboard.

The IC hatred towards feminism is for black feminists who can't see that they're being played to the detriment of the black community.

Again why is women empowerment, gender equality only a white womans thing? Think. Why are white men so threatened by feminism

And how is anyone being played with the exception of anyone who questions what good feminism has done for blk women

For a while only poor whites and white widows could take advantage of state assistance to stay afloat and during economic recessions (which are always going to occur with capitalism)... blk women lead the way in making sure they extended the social safety net to everyone

Considering we are the last hired and first fired, state assistance kept a lot families from going hungry

The rate of single parent households in blk communities coincides with the Vietnam war (lasted almost 20 fucking years), war on drugs, height of gang violence

Without the gains made to get women the opportunity to get a higher education, fair wages, reproductive rights, state assistance, etc where would that have left a blk woman, for ex, dealing with having lost the father of her children who was drafted and killed in war

Just consider all the blk men either killed, injured or mentally scarred by the Vietnam war alone

Imagine how worst off we would be if there was no efforts to put an end to state laws that required women to have male relatives sign business loans

The movement isnt perfect but think. Modern feminism be on the bullshit sometimes..but blk feminist have always done their own thing for the most part...and when we do check white feminist it gets little fanfare

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

I didn't advocate for traditionalism.

Your feminism only works while the system is intact. System built by men. So essentially feminism is built and maintained by patriarchy.

Feminism is built upon concessions and acquiescence of men to women with no sacrifice on behalf of the woman.

Lol

From what I read a lot of mgtow do

And expound

Otherwise society was built by the contributions and sacrifice of both men and women

The goal of feminism isn't matriarchy...

Yes feminism wouldn't exist if women were never denied the right to vote...etc...etc

And women never were historically denied the opportunity to lead and lived under the thumb of men so

 

[LordZuko]

You know what would've kept a lot of families from also going hungry? Less fuckin kids.

State assistance exacerbates poverty by shielding women from the most horrible consequences watching her children die of starvation then herself dying.

Preventing people from suffering consequences enables them to continue down the wrong path.

You keep bringing children into the mix as if they are anything but the product of a woman's decision to let a nigga skeet in her.

And now you're trying to use black vets as a shield to hide black feminist fuckery. Like you conveniently ignore that so quickly agreed to caveats that a man could not be in the home thus making the white state, white daddy. A position black females are all too familiar and comfortable with.

The lie of the beneficent saintly black bitch doing whatever to keep her family afloat is a terrible lie that needs to die.

@Madame_CJSkywalker insistence of using this narrative is why i don't respect nor trust women. They do not take accountability nor accept responsibility for their decisions and the outcomes

 

[sunlord]

I didn't advocate for traditionalism.

Your feminism only works while the system is intact. System built by men. So essentially feminism is built and maintained by patriarchy.

Feminism is built upon concessions and acquiescence of men to women with no sacrifice on behalf of the woman.

Lol

From what I read a lot of mgtow do

And expound

Otherwise society was built by the contributions and sacrifice of both men and women

The goal of feminism isn't matriarchy...

Yes feminism wouldn't exist if women were never denied the right to vote...etc...etc

And women never were historically denied the opportunity to lead and lived under the thumb of men so

What is the goal of feminism according to you???

Women were denied the right to vote because they did not deserve the right to vote and quite frankly many still don't deserve it and they lived under the protection of men because they could not realistically protect themselves.

 

[LordZuko]

Whole post is bullshit built upon the false premise of universal oppression of women. Which didn't happen.

We've moved past that discussion and it seems to be the only contribution to this topic. So if you wanna rehash the topic go read pages fuck you-fuck off in the thread.

 

[sunlord]

There are dozens of philosophies in mgtow in accordance to the different types of mgtow.

There are some men who are only mgtow because they see that traditionalism is shunned, and that females have more power without responsibility. So they want a return to a common sense social contract. That's all traditionalism and gender roles are is a social contract between the sexes.

Traditionalism is a social contract that works only because men are the 100% source of the substances that females desire: food shelter clothing protection. Men were smart enough to decide that those who provide such amenities should be the ones in charge.

This set up works until civilization is advanced enough that females feel entitled to the system protecting them and forget that men imbue the system, without the men their is no system only a void. There's nothing that stands between a woman and her fear of everything that she thinks can happen.

Lol

Due to technology advances the economy is becoming more knowledge base...meaning more jobs that don't require physical strength...more jobs for women...less jobs of the past

Not to mention globalization

So considering women now can provide these things for themselves, why is traditionalism even necessary for anyone or attractive considering the constraints

Even, like I said, u argue traditional gender roles its more "efficient" shit is oppression

In a free society a man or woman should be able to choice to be a provider and or provided for...a home maker...stay at parent

Anything less is the opposite of freedom

Talk shit about modern feminism, I'll join you...but a lot of things u niggas advocate is no better

WELL I do advocate for traditionalism. It's either traditionalism or mgtow and the long term results of mgtow will either force women back into traditionalism or cause the collapse of western society.

and yes the economy is more knowledge based but the vast majority of women don't have the temperament or desire to stick to many of those stem careers. Traditionalism is not just about men providing for women because women cannot do so for themselves..... it is largely about protecting women from the bad impulses of men and protecting them from THE MEN of other societies this giving the protectors a feeling of responsibility/ownership over those women.

This made the men of any particular society care about the women in that society as it is now MEN HAVE STARTED TO not give a fuck about women.

social constraints are a good and needed without them men tend to not don't give a shit about their offspring. There are a lot of black men like this right now. freedom is not free is comes with conditions that must be met. what you feminist want in many cases resembles libertinism not liberty. YOU want to do whatever you want but you want society/men to pay for it.

 

[sunlord]

traditionalism is far from perfect but outside of mgtow it is the only other solution

 

[LordZuko]

If you care about the expansion of an empire, traditionalism is the only route.

But outside of that traditionalism has no use for a man.

 

[LordZuko]

Let's get back to the male-mother need that really is the core of gynocentrism

 

[blackrain]

i have a question tho...

didnt watch the vids yet...i got a few things to do but ...

@LordZuko @sunlord @jono @LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY @gorilla @blackrain

with all this said...how would you tell someone to handle their relationship?

I get everything that zuko post. i do and i agree with most of it. honestly i shut down alot of shit in my relationship, compromised on some....and the rest i dont care to fight about cause its not important.

but by no means would she think i am a push over just by how i handle myself with all other things. its part of my character.

now with all the things that was said about women in this thread ....when i constantly ask what role man play in this...its ignored.

this all still comes back to the man.

how many women on this site act like fukkin idiots without my calling them in here? how many claim to never have been touched by a belt by their father only to be now sending nudes online or cheating on they man? no saying it has a direct connection but it kinda does. these chicks are showing no limits nor fear of consequence becasue they feel they can get another dude to replace them...which comes back to the man again.

when are dudes going to stand up to these women?

im not saying break them...but i am saying...hold these chicks accountable for their actions. but at the say time being a man that deserves to speak the shit he is requesting. while some may say that women choose....no they dont. niggas allow women to choose.

i be gotdamned if i be with a woman who choose me...i know what i like and i know what i need and i know where i want to go . i need to see those qualities. while young an dumb..i choose with the wrong head. but now grown....not gonna happen.

so i ask..

what do you guys think a dude should handle his relationship with all the things that was mentioned in this thread?

honestly i give respect to @atribecalledgabi simply because from the things she has said so far....not just here but other places...she seems to have a head on her shoulders an respect about herself. for the other female in here standing your ground again..i applaud you.

but the same question comes to you....

and also...what would you do if you saw your girl friend acting like what mentioned here?

I think the role of the man has been one which has been continually downplayed (for obvious reasons) over past decades.

In a relationship, the man is supposed to lead and do so by example. Being head of the household equates to more than having a dick. Ultimately, the man is responsible for the health and well being of his home and all under his roof. That's a lot to take on, and as such, it's important to have the right woman to help sustain all that. I look at it as I'm the CEO and Chairman, but my wife is the President. As such, I have certain expectations of her also and she fulfills those. I ask for her input and counsel, but in the end I'm doing what I think is best. And I accept full responsibility for the outcome.



I don't think men should be following women around. I think we operate best in logic and reason, but when men follow women they get emotionally distracted and do dumb shit. The problem is we got so many men who have been raised solely by women so they kinda think like them.

The bold is something many don't have a full grasp of

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

You know what would've kept a lot of families from also going hungry? Less fuckin kids.

State assistance exacerbates poverty by shielding women from the most horrible consequences watching her children die of starvation then herself dying.

Preventing people from suffering consequences enables them to continue down the wrong path.

You keep bringing children into the mix as if they are anything but the product of a woman's decision to let a nigga skeet in her.

And now you're trying to use black vets as a shield to hide black feminist fuckery. Like you conveniently ignore that so quickly agreed to caveats that a man could not be in the home thus making the white state, white daddy. A position black females are all too familiar and comfortable with.

The lie of the beneficent saintly black bitch doing whatever to keep her family afloat is a terrible lie that needs to die.

@Madame_CJSkywalker insistence of using this narrative is why i don't respect nor trust women. They do not take accountability nor accept responsibility for their decisions and the outcomes

Using blk vets as a shield?

Nigga was there not a 20 yr war beginning in the 50s ending in the 70s that impacted the constitution of millions of families...were blk men not drafted and sent away to die leaving their families behind?

Was there not a war on drug? No crack or heroin epidemic? Gang violence wasn't worst in the 70s, 80s, early 90s?

And children are impacted by government policy and our decisions? Right.

But we should let them starve to spite their mothers? Many single mothers started off young themselves. Young ppl make mistakes. God forbid we give ppl latitude to make mistakes

And what about the two parent households who have to use state assistance...the widows...the disabled ...etc

Not to mention there has been no indication that state assistance causes or exacerbates single parent households

And evidence says it does shrink poverty

Actually the countries with the strongest safety nets and similar percentage of single mothers have less poverty

The unemployment rate for blk ppl particularly blk men has always been double that whites ...the decision not to marry to get state assistance was out of necessity for most blk women

The marriage penalty to signing up for welfare was a compromise and ultimately the decision of white male politician's looking to cut welfare spending to pay for tax cuts for their friends

This idea that a lot of blk women were purposely keeping the father of their children out the household and out of their childrens lives simply because they welfare is the falsehood that needs to die

And just because a mothers isn't married doesn't mean the father of her children isn't an active participant in the child's life...so census data which is where we get the 72% figure from doesn't tell the whole story

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

There are dozens of philosophies in mgtow in accordance to the different types of mgtow.

There are some men who are only mgtow because they see that traditionalism is shunned, and that females have more power without responsibility. So they want a return to a common sense social contract. That's all traditionalism and gender roles are is a social contract between the sexes.

Traditionalism is a social contract that works only because men are the 100% source of the substances that females desire: food shelter clothing protection. Men were smart enough to decide that those who provide such amenities should be the ones in charge.

This set up works until civilization is advanced enough that females feel entitled to the system protecting them and forget that men imbue the system, without the men their is no system only a void. There's nothing that stands between a woman and her fear of everything that she thinks can happen.

Lol

Due to technology advances the economy is becoming more knowledge base...meaning more jobs that don't require physical strength...more jobs for women...less jobs of the past

Not to mention globalization

So considering women now can provide these things for themselves, why is traditionalism even necessary for anyone or attractive considering the constraints

Even, like I said, u argue traditional gender roles its more "efficient" shit is oppression

In a free society a man or woman should be able to choice to be a provider and or provided for...a home maker...stay at parent

Anything less is the opposite of freedom

Talk shit about modern feminism, I'll join you...but a lot of things u niggas advocate is no better

WELL I do advocate for traditionalism. It's either traditionalism or mgtow and the long term results of mgtow will either force women back into traditionalism or cause the collapse of western society.

and yes the economy is more knowledge based but the vast majority of women don't have the temperament or desire to stick to many of those stem careers. Traditionalism is not just about men providing for women because women cannot do so for themselves..... it is largely about protecting women from the bad impulses of men and protecting them from THE MEN of other societies this giving the protectors a feeling of responsibility/ownership over those women.

This made the men of any particular society care about the women in that society as it is now MEN HAVE STARTED TO not give a fuck about women.

social constraints are a good and needed without them men tend to not don't give a shit about their offspring. There are a lot of black men like this right now. freedom is not free is comes with conditions that must be met. what you feminist want in many cases resembles libertinism not liberty. YOU want to do whatever you want but you want society/men to pay for it.

What???

Men tend to not don't give a shit about their offspring???

Where do I begin...

This is not the stone age or medieval times for one

We pay ppl via taxes and other means to do the protecting and enforce order

Men and women have a role to play but its possible to structure a soceity whereas it does not come at the expense of the greater good and cost us a great deal of our personal freedoms...

I for example don't like how cs is calculated and enforced

And having been given the opportunity women have made gains in STEM industry so the desire is there...and while both genders have their strength and weaknesses, women have shown to be just as capable as men in most areas

So yes traditonalism is becoming obosolete... and I really don't see how u would actually get enough ppl to comply outside of physical force and government coercion

 

[ineedpussy]

im loving this thread but didnt the dude that made up the alpha and beta males say it was wrong? so why do yall still use alpha and beta males when that shit aint real?

 

[deadeye]

im loving this thread but didnt the dude that made up the alpha and beta males say it was wrong? so why do yall still use alpha and beta males when that shit aint real?

Yeah, shit's funny because I don't remember anyone ever even using that terminology until social media.

Basically some shit they probably picked up on Facebook.

If we're going by the animal kingdom, you're not an Alpha Male unless you control a harem of females and have to fight every day like the beachmaster to maintain control of that harem:

 

[sunlord]

There are dozens of philosophies in mgtow in accordance to the different types of mgtow.

There are some men who are only mgtow because they see that traditionalism is shunned, and that females have more power without responsibility. So they want a return to a common sense social contract. That's all traditionalism and gender roles are is a social contract between the sexes.

Traditionalism is a social contract that works only because men are the 100% source of the substances that females desire: food shelter clothing protection. Men were smart enough to decide that those who provide such amenities should be the ones in charge.

This set up works until civilization is advanced enough that females feel entitled to the system protecting them and forget that men imbue the system, without the men their is no system only a void. There's nothing that stands between a woman and her fear of everything that she thinks can happen.

Lol

Due to technology advances the economy is becoming more knowledge base...meaning more jobs that don't require physical strength...more jobs for women...less jobs of the past

Not to mention globalization

So considering women now can provide these things for themselves, why is traditionalism even necessary for anyone or attractive considering the constraints

Even, like I said, u argue traditional gender roles its more "efficient" shit is oppression

In a free society a man or woman should be able to choice to be a provider and or provided for...a home maker...stay at parent

Anything less is the opposite of freedom

Talk shit about modern feminism, I'll join you...but a lot of things u niggas advocate is no better

WELL I do advocate for traditionalism. It's either traditionalism or mgtow and the long term results of mgtow will either force women back into traditionalism or cause the collapse of western society.

and yes the economy is more knowledge based but the vast majority of women don't have the temperament or desire to stick to many of those stem careers. Traditionalism is not just about men providing for women because women cannot do so for themselves..... it is largely about protecting women from the bad impulses of men and protecting them from THE MEN of other societies this giving the protectors a feeling of responsibility/ownership over those women.

This made the men of any particular society care about the women in that society as it is now MEN HAVE STARTED TO not give a fuck about women.

social constraints are a good and needed without them men tend to not don't give a shit about their offspring. There are a lot of black men like this right now. freedom is not free is comes with conditions that must be met. what you feminist want in many cases resembles libertinism not liberty. YOU want to do whatever you want but you want society/men to pay for it.

What???

Men tend to not don't give a shit about their offspring???

Where do I begin...

This is not the stone age or medieval times for one

We pay ppl via taxes and other means to do the protecting and enforce order

Men and women have a role to play but its possible to structure a soceity whereas it does not come at the expense of the greater good and cost us a great deal of our personal freedoms...

I for example don't like how cs is calculated and enforced

And having been given the opportunity women have made gains in STEM industry so the desire is there...and while both genders have their strength and weaknesses, women have shown to be just as capable as men in most areas

So yes traditonalism is becoming obosolete... and I really don't see how u would actually get enough ppl to comply outside of physical force and government coercion

WITHOUT social constraints men tend not to give a fuck about their children..... back in the day a man would be considered less than garbage for not taking care of his lawful children today having bastard children has become almost normalized and just paying CHILD SUPPORT is not taking care of your child

MEN PAY TAXES AND MEN ENFORCE ORDER because they care about the safety of their property, we feel invested in society because we have wives children and property to protect without the wife and the children all that remains is selfish interest which means at the point men will no longer have any interest in protecting women or constraining our sexual behavior towards women.

PART of being an adult especially being a man is recognizing that personal freedoms must be sacrificed for the greater good, men have always accepted this as a natural part of being an adult man. Women however had to be forced to accept this and they resented this because of that women rebelled and created feminism to "free" them.

Now men in a sense have stated to rebel, so we have MGTOW. MEN AND WOMEN have to be united to sustains a cohesive society but today the genders are splitting apart.... which means things are collapsing at which point women will come crawling back to men because they won't be able to compete against more aggressive men who truly don't give a fuck about their feelings or notions of equality.... this has already begun many young women today have started to turn against feminism.

Most women hate stem they cannot sustain themselves in stem careers for very long they leave stem jobs after a few years. My argument is not that women are incapable of doing stem just that they don't like it because stem jobs come with a certain culture that feels very unnatural to the moods of women.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Did this nigga just say that men tend not to give a shit about their offspring? Ya'll niggas really are clowns.

 

[sunlord]

Did this nigga just say that men tend not to give a shit about their offspring? Ya'll niggas really are clowns.

NIGGA CAN YOU READ.....

 

[sunlord]

The reasons why a nigga can have 10 baby mothers and 15 children in this social and economic climate is because he does not really care about his children. The social constraints on his sexuality is nonexistent so he just goes out fucking and fucking and not giving a fuck about how many bastards he creates

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Did this nigga just say that men tend not to give a shit about their offspring? Ya'll niggas really are clowns.

NIGGA CAN YOU READ.....

social constraints are a good and needed without them men tend to not don't give a shit about their offspring.

Is that not what you said? Are you not saying that men don't give a shit about their kids and that's why the social constraints are needed?

The reasons why a nigga can have 10 baby mothers and 15 children in this social and economic climate is because he does not really care about his children

You niggas stay with these dumbass generalizations. How many niggas have 10 baby mothers and 15 children?

 

[sunlord]

Did this nigga just say that men tend not to give a shit about their offspring? Ya'll niggas really are clowns.

NIGGA CAN YOU READ.....

social constraints are a good and needed without them men tend to not don't give a shit about their offspring.

Is that not what you said? Are you not saying that men don't give a shit about their kids and that's why the social constraints are needed?

The reasons why a nigga can have 10 baby mothers and 15 children in this social and economic climate is because he does not really care about his children

You niggas stay with these dumbass generalizations. How many niggas have 10 baby mothers and 15 children?

Nigga pay attention and stop asking me stupid fucking questions. I am not going over the same shit again and again with you. You do this bullshit in every thread AND all it does is bog down the thread in diversions. The point is that without social constraints on male sexuality WE GO wild and this typically hurts our children and family

obviously I used an exaggeration to prove a greater point although quite frankly there are many man out there with multiple children from different women so it's not even really that exaggerated.