MGTOWrama : A FEMINIZM CONSEQUENCE

[LordZuko]

As for your study, this was a small study under 1000 people done over a decade ago.

I'm not biting. Even the related articles i googled refer to the same study that has not been duplicated.

*shrugs*

it was interesting nonetheless .... more research is needed...haven't been able to find a study that counters the findings

and all you've been to provide really is anecdotal evidence, pseudoscience and you own presumptions / biases

women initiate divorce more, sure....but what about non martial relationships?

you got any other numbers or data?

I didn't provide anecdotal or pseudo science. Lol whut?

I had no presumptions. In fact i existed on the other side of the spectrum.

 

[LordZuko]

briffault law?

while humans are animals in biology, but we have far more ability to act against instinct and to create complex systems of socialization than any other animals right?

and if you study briffault's work, there is 0 reason to believe his law has any relevance to contemporary gender roles or behavior

because you'd then be aware that the law was specifically describing the behavior of non human animals and to a lesser extent early human tribes. he also goes on to argue that those systems were replaced by male dominated systems around the time we began cultivating crops for food and such

and you have to also ignore the majority of the last 4, 5 centuries or so

and what about rape?

you still want to argue women determine the conditions on which men and women associate sexually or romantically, then you'd have to show that no statistically significant number of women had ever been broken up with

women initiate divorce 2/3 of the time, but now we're not talking about some kind of hard social power imbalance... at most, it's a tendency. not to mention recently divorced women are more likely to live in poverty

and while i agree a woman would prefer association where she gains something (protection, your company, emotion, financial security, sex) ...you can say the same of men (sex, emotion, company, children, a maid, etc). most human relationships men or women, look for something to gain, exploit, learn, trade in a relationship

research also strongly suggest women afflicted with a serious illness were at least 3 times as likely to become separated or divorced as men with similar health problems
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cncr.24577/abstract
https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/men-more-likely-to-leave-spouse-with-cancer/

In order for you to act against instinct you'd have to understand or be aware of subconscious desire or conditioning. Subconscious is wired to the emotions not the intellect, so what you know doesnt have as much bearing as what you feel.

There's plenty of reason to see correlation with Briffault's work and contemporary man. After all contemporary man is an invention of the industrial revolution. There is nothing that took place in the industrial revolution that conditioned humans to act against their base tribal instincts. In fact it exacerbated this instinct through basic competition for resources and need for man power. The agrarian age in regards to human history is relatively yesterday.

The development of male dominated societies does not negate the influence females have on mate selection. Unless you are about to argue that most breeding was a form of rape then you'd have to concede that females chose the highest caliber men available to them. Same as today. Women select or make themselves available to men who meet a certain standard. That's what you've been arguing in other threads and drawing as a conclusion as to why so many females are unmarried today.

my biggest contention is that only women, look for something to gain, exploit, learn, trade in a relationship

and this suggestion women show no gratitude, appreciation nor reciprocation for the past, and always look to the future for their behavior does not jive with my reality

also the link to the research about women than men being more likely to stay with spouse diagnosed with terminal illness or similarly disabled runs counter to what you would expect

what about the efforts to police women's sexuality, romantic relationships and autonomy period via the church or man made laws/policies that made women the legal property of men; gave women little to no legal existence apart from her husband/father

prior to maybe 40, 50 years ago the systematic effort to keep women from higher education and a living wage

that had no impact on male and female relations...mate selection.... or nah?

Nobody gives a shit about your personal reality or circumstances.

You're conflating a system with ground level interaction.

You'd do better if you'd made the assertion that families had more to do with mate selection than an individual woman. Because Most of Human history and Even current history marriages are arranged between families.

To Which my response would be that women had suitors according to her station. That could range from 0 to 100. It's all based on her family lot. A woman would be encouraged to choose from among her suitors with advice from the elder women.

And what you conveniently forget is the role women play in the bed chambers next to powerful men, as elder women wielding subtle covert power and influence.

The myth and narrative that women were a universally oppressed class up until 50years ago is a myth.

For each scenario you used there were laws in place that protected females from harsh punishment and bound the husband to provide for her and his children.

 

[LordZuko]

Red Pill Logic: Briffault’s law, Bateman and Peak Hypergamy

Hypergamy has historically been controlled through men holding and being able to exercise overt power, often granted by social factors such as religion and tradition. This power would directly control hypergamy through ensuring that women could not engage in their strategy of “Alpha Fucks/Beta Bucks” without significant risk and major consequences.

The Scarlet Letter by Nathaniel Hawthorne, is a great example of how a woman branded an adulteress, is relegated to a life in poverty and shame as a single mother in a Puritan community in the 1600s. The narrative of the book aside, this exemplifies the risk-reward balance between Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks.

The cost of attaining or attempting to attain high quality genetics from a man with whom she will be unable to secure a long-term relationship is the risk that she will be found out, and thus sacrifice her opportunity to secure beta bucks.

 

[LordZuko]

what the fuck is alpha and beta buck?

A female victory in the sexual market place is attained through being able to secure both of the end states sought, successful attainment of high quality genetics, and successful attainment of long-term provision.

Traditionally, both would be sough from the same man, though the end result of this would be a case of settling in both cases. The mathematics here is simple, if one uses the percentages given by the Pareto Principle, that only 20% of men have the potential alpha genetics, then it follows that either a state of polygamy or a state of reproductive laissez-faire would be required in order for women to secure access to these genetics.

Basically the alpha is who a female fucks from her teens through her late 20s. She sometimes gets pregnant by this man. The beta buck is The sucker whom the female uses as financial security. This is the guy or archetype females usually marry.

 

[LordZuko]

The rest of the article is here:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/blackl...riffaults-law-bateman-and-peak-hypergamy/amp/

I don't feel like posting all that shit

 

[sunlord]

Human Society is a reflection of our biology society is influenced and created by our biology and then it in turn influences our biology.

Sociobiology.

 

[LordZuko]

Here's what i find interesting tho,

Gabi, madam and bib are all in here trying to convince us that women are not like that.

Cui bono? Who benefits from this? If there are men out here who believe this, what damage could it do to women? After all it is a group of men simply saying that they are going to no longer associate with women or limit their association and keep their resources to themselves.

Since women have access to the workplace to education it shouldn't matter if 1 man or 1million men do this.

Females possess a deep primordial fear of men cutting them off. So they'll never admit it, but mgtow represents a greater threat to females than any traditional conservative "keep his woman barefoot and pregnant" man, any card carrying misogynist or neck beard or whatever.

Mgtow represents isolation. Females would rather deal with these other men than a mgtow. However, true to form, women are their greatest enemy, every overture by feminists pushes more men to not want to deal with women, to not trust women, or be around women for any prolonged exposure.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything especially two people who have repeatedly showin through their words they have a huge problem with women. I'm smart enough not to waste my energy fighting against your two's preconceived warped notions.

 

[LordZuko]

Check out this article:

This guy draws correlation from a woman's resume to her dating habits and personality
https://blacklabellogic.com/2017/01/30/gendernomics-a-womans-resume/

About twice a year I have the questionable pleasure of having a stack of resumes land on my desk courtesy of the HR department. Over the years I’ve developed an approach to getting this task over with as fast as possible, and saving myself from having to read letters of motivation that are written in a Buzzfeed style of prose. You can tell a lot about a personality from their resume, how did they organize their information? What did they leave off and what are they highlighting? The random information such as hobbies, date of birth, marital status, often adds more information about the personality and their perspective.

Usually people try to hide gaps in their resume, for instance by leaving off months so that it does not say in black and white that they had a 6 month gap between engagements. They add tasks or responsibilities that they did not have, or they may attempt to gloss over the fact that they never finished their degree. What was different this year is that as the pile landed on my desk I was mulling over some future Gendernomics articles that I was considering, and it dawned on me that the manner in which I examine and judge resumes could be very useful when looking for plates or a long-term partner.

 

[deadeye]

I mean I don't really agree with all the unnecessary name calling. But he's got a point about any dude that's running around here characterizing America as a rape culture.

That's some creep shit.

Fuck there's an entire thread in IllPix dedicated to taking pictures of women and posting them without their knowledge and its been going for years and seen as ok.



Niggas in another thread arguimg that continuously going after a woman even after she has said no just shows persistence instead of annoying the fuck out of her.

 

[deadeye]

Briffault’s law maintains that “the female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.” Today we would say “relationship” rather than “association.”

We already know, of course, that women wield the ultimate veto power in the mating game. It is women who give thumbs-up or thumbs-down to any advances or proposals from men.

Briffault embellishes this truism by asserting that intimate relationships between men and women result from a calculated cost/benefit analysis by women. Will she or won’t she acquire a net gain from any relationship with the man? This does not necessarily mean monetary gain, although it might. Other types of gain might be social status, sexual compatibility, anticipated future happiness, emotional security, and the male’s capacity for fatherhood. Men, put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Yooooo I saw a video in a class I took years ago about briffault...made me check some ways I went about relationships. Good drop.

It doesn't matter, @atribecalledgabi. You're a woman. The things women do are deeply ingrained successful breeding tactics hundreds of thousands years old. You can't help but do these things.

It doesn't matter that I'm a woman. If you're consciously aware of a certain behavior you either gon consciously keep doing it or you're not. If that wasn't possible there would be mgtow.

Anyways. Happy turkey day nigga.

How many times have you as a grown woman cried to get your way?

Or explicitly or implicitly offered pussy to get a man who had no previous interests to do things for you?

You are who you are.

If I said never, then what? Exactly.

But you probly don't believe it so....

Happy turkey day bro

Never believe anything a woman says. Believe her actions. You lie to yourself. And think its the truth. So you could never be honest.

Perhaps you don't do these things to the degree of the worst, but you still do them.

but if I said yes I do those things, you'd believe it straight away without knowing my actions to confirm or deny it, correct? Lmao yea exactly.

Indirectly related video:

 

[deadeye]

what the fuck is alpha and beta buck?

Basically the alpha is who a female fucks from her teens through her late 20s. She sometimes gets pregnant by this man.

The beta buck is The sucker whom the female uses as financial security. This is the guy or archetype females usually marry.

 

[Max.]

The problem is men actually like crazy women. Don't deny it. I've heard it over and over again in real life and on this board.

women have this thing for thugs and ain't shit niggaz so must be two sides

Body bag!!

These bitches have kids with aint shit dudez

If u a single mom thats u!!

 

[deadeye]

Oshay and Steve the Dean dropping knowledge:


Dude said Mariah didn't just hit the wall.............she ran through the wall.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

As for your study, this was a small study under 1000 people done over a decade ago.

I'm not biting. Even the related articles i googled refer to the same study that has not been duplicated.

*shrugs*

it was interesting nonetheless .... more research is needed...haven't been able to find a study that counters the findings

and all you've been to provide really is anecdotal evidence, pseudoscience and you own presumptions / biases

women initiate divorce more, sure....but what about non martial relationships?

you got any other numbers or data?

does non martial stuff really matter?

 

[2stepz_ahead]

what the fuck is alpha and beta buck?

A female victory in the sexual market place is attained through being able to secure both of the end states sought, successful attainment of high quality genetics, and successful attainment of long-term provision.

Traditionally, both would be sough from the same man, though the end result of this would be a case of settling in both cases. The mathematics here is simple, if one uses the percentages given by the Pareto Principle, that only 20% of men have the potential alpha genetics, then it follows that either a state of polygamy or a state of reproductive laissez-faire would be required in order for women to secure access to these genetics.

Basically the alpha is who a female fucks from her teens through her late 20s. She sometimes gets pregnant by this man. The beta buck is The sucker whom the female uses as financial security. This is the guy or archetype females usually marry.

i kinda disagree with this.

this is a human definition to place certain people ahead of others.

in the animal kingdom the alpha does all the fukkin but he cares for his pride or pack or pod. he provides protection for all his territory. he is the head until the next alpha takes him out.

what you are describing is women who are seeing with their eyes... kinda like I said earlier.

the guy that's assumed to be the leader is usually an insecure yet flashy asset they see that will add to their image status.

so these guys are more trophies. a kinda reminder that they are worthy of access to high profile lifestyles.

case an point. a chick my wife knows always states the type of guys she dated. a guy in the NBA, a lawyer and a business owner. crazy but she's divorced an can't find a man to stay with her. yet she is quick to state her conquests titles.

shes caught in the image it should give her...an is wondering why she's still lonely if she had these "alpha" dudes. she should be held in high esteem since such high profile people wanted her. she can't let go of her ego now....it'd been fed. like someone said in another thread...most like zuko...but a woman can't go backwards.so she's lonely.

but .those guys weren't alphas...they were titles. ego strokers. a feeling of access to the good things in life an verification her pussy is better than another chicks.

so the women tend to settle once there ego bubble has popped. an when the attention comes again....the relationship is in trouble.

I say all this to say.....this thread can be closed out by saying the that mwtgoob or whatever is about controlling a chicks inflated ego be not feeding it anymore. but who feeds it?

everything zuko an sunnyboy says revolves around a chicks ego. that's fed by guys an encouraged by other women.

so again..I blame guys for this problem

 

[2stepz_ahead]

also...alot of guys tend to try to appear to have it all together to seem like they are above the others. false peacocking.

who do the ladies go after?

the person who can actually provide or the guy who looks like he can provide an give their image a boost? the problem is when fukk niggas give these chicks a second chance at redemption when guys don't get the same chance.

so the beneficial transactions leads to failure because none of it if for building a life reasons...just selfish immediate gain reasons

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Check out this article:

This guy draws correlation from a woman's resume to her dating habits and personality
https://blacklabellogic.com/2017/01/30/gendernomics-a-womans-resume/

About twice a year I have the questionable pleasure of having a stack of resumes land on my desk courtesy of the HR department. Over the years I’ve developed an approach to getting this task over with as fast as possible, and saving myself from having to read letters of motivation that are written in a Buzzfeed style of prose. You can tell a lot about a personality from their resume, how did they organize their information? What did they leave off and what are they highlighting? The random information such as hobbies, date of birth, marital status, often adds more information about the personality and their perspective.

Usually people try to hide gaps in their resume, for instance by leaving off months so that it does not say in black and white that they had a 6 month gap between engagements. They add tasks or responsibilities that they did not have, or they may attempt to gloss over the fact that they never finished their degree. What was different this year is that as the pile landed on my desk I was mulling over some future Gendernomics articles that I was considering, and it dawned on me that the manner in which I examine and judge resumes could be very useful when looking for plates or a long-term partner.

it's crazy you bring this up.

so my lady is in the process of hiring people...

all the women have photos on their resume looking sexy an not professional. an without the experience needed to even be considered for the job.

an second ...the job my lady just left ..her boss hired a chick that's 23. but you need to have 10 yrs experience minimum....smdh

these chicks know what they doing.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Check out this article:

This guy draws correlation from a woman's resume to her dating habits and personality
https://blacklabellogic.com/2017/01/30/gendernomics-a-womans-resume/

About twice a year I have the questionable pleasure of having a stack of resumes land on my desk courtesy of the HR department. Over the years I’ve developed an approach to getting this task over with as fast as possible, and saving myself from having to read letters of motivation that are written in a Buzzfeed style of prose. You can tell a lot about a personality from their resume, how did they organize their information? What did they leave off and what are they highlighting? The random information such as hobbies, date of birth, marital status, often adds more information about the personality and their perspective.

Usually people try to hide gaps in their resume, for instance by leaving off months so that it does not say in black and white that they had a 6 month gap between engagements. They add tasks or responsibilities that they did not have, or they may attempt to gloss over the fact that they never finished their degree. What was different this year is that as the pile landed on my desk I was mulling over some future Gendernomics articles that I was considering, and it dawned on me that the manner in which I examine and judge resumes could be very useful when looking for plates or a long-term partner.

it's crazy you bring this up.

so my lady is in the process of hiring people...

all the women have photos on their resume looking sexy an not professional. an without the experience needed to even be considered for the job.

an second ...the job my lady just left ..her boss hired a chick that's 23. but you need to have 10 yrs experience minimum....smdh

these chicks know what they doing.

Omg why cant this shit happen to me? I would love to crush their little brains by calling them telling them they've been disqualified for sending in a photo, your abilities for this job are more important than your looks.

 

[LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY]

Check out this article:

This guy draws correlation from a woman's resume to her dating habits and personality
https://blacklabellogic.com/2017/01/30/gendernomics-a-womans-resume/

About twice a year I have the questionable pleasure of having a stack of resumes land on my desk courtesy of the HR department. Over the years I’ve developed an approach to getting this task over with as fast as possible, and saving myself from having to read letters of motivation that are written in a Buzzfeed style of prose. You can tell a lot about a personality from their resume, how did they organize their information? What did they leave off and what are they highlighting? The random information such as hobbies, date of birth, marital status, often adds more information about the personality and their perspective.

Usually people try to hide gaps in their resume, for instance by leaving off months so that it does not say in black and white that they had a 6 month gap between engagements. They add tasks or responsibilities that they did not have, or they may attempt to gloss over the fact that they never finished their degree. What was different this year is that as the pile landed on my desk I was mulling over some future Gendernomics articles that I was considering, and it dawned on me that the manner in which I examine and judge resumes could be very useful when looking for plates or a long-term partner.

it's crazy you bring this up.

so my lady is in the process of hiring people...

all the women have photos on their resume looking sexy an not professional. an without the experience needed to even be considered for the job.

an second ...the job my lady just left ..her boss hired a chick that's 23. but you need to have 10 yrs experience minimum....smdh

these chicks know what they doing.

Omg why cant this shit happen to me? I would love to crush their little brains by calling them telling them they've been disqualified for sending in a photo, your abilities for this job are more important than your looks.

Tell that to ESPN and all the TV networks.