MGTOWrama : A FEMINIZM CONSEQUENCE

[sunlord]

There's an important difference. Females dont study men. They look at men and impose narratives. They project these false narratives and turn them into "generalizations" but it's more or less sweeping accusations.

Men have studied women in accordance to biology psychology history in accordance to modern civilization to extrapolate data and information. To essentially understand the nature of females to draw reason for seemingly unreasonable action.

Not the same.

Can you prove the bold?

Answered in the body

lol No it wasn't. You seem to have a poor understanding of what proof is. You stating what you think women do is not proof that women don't have any formal studies of men. If I had to guess, I'd say you're probably closer to right than wrong, but you didn't provide proof.

Ironically, your "proof" seems to be the same thing you're accusing women of doing.

No it's not.

For comparison

Feminist theories

Patriarchy: debunked

universal oppression of women: debunked

Rape culture: debunked

Wage gap: debunked

These are the four cornerstones of feminist theory which were posited as immutable fact that is the foundation for numerous policies and legislation. Later to be found out as being at best rife with confirmation bias, at worst malicious sex based crusade.

Meanwhile the cornerstones of mgtow philosophy as aforementioned in my last post have been proven. Have not been debunked and are in fact the very tools used to deconstruct feminism.

The only thing in question is the issue of the wage gap...which differs when you break down the numbers for specifics within the study...ironically the same thing you're saying Monk is wrong for doing with divorce stats...but the other things you claim are debunked aren't hard to take note of. Men still by and large run society. There's no real question about that. Just look at the people who make major decisions around the globe. Majority are men. We have and do live in a society that has typically made either light of sexual assault/rape or flat out making it hard to prove without in some way blaming the victim as well. See no further than judges who have said in court what rape victims should have done to prevent a rape or people who will go as far as to blame children for their own molestation...and you're blatantly ignoring history if you say women haven't been placed lower on the totem pole than men. Just look at the ways in which the role of what a women should or shouldn't be has often not been defined by women themselves until very recently thus causing the current shift we see today with women speaking up about the issues they do. The things you're saying are debunked have been studied for decades now. If you choose to ignore them that's on you but you're being intellectually dishonest to say they've been flat out debunked

You really believe America has a rape culture and that women are universally oppressed??? can you look yourself in the mirror each has and actually affirm that you believe this

Yeah..it's not hard to prove

Then you really are a unrepentant cuck.... WHO does not understand what a culture is. For America to have a rape culture the act of rape would have to be essential and normative within American culture.

And when you resort to name calling and immature statements like such that further lets me know that some of you mgtow niggas are no better than the women you bitch about.

I can shit on you and make a good point at the same time. ME CALLING YOU A CUCK DOES not negate the fact that you cannot prove that America is a rape culture. Any man who honestly believes that America has a rape culture is not worthy of being called anything else

Now stop being a sissy cuckboy . we don't live in a rape culture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=14&v=TZrzCAuiw7w

 

[LordZuko]

People take offense to that because it creates a narrative that rape is unidirectional.

No one is telling females this. That it's not ok to pressure a man into sex or to use alcohol to loosen a man up or other sneaky underhanded things females do when they want sex and a man doesn't.

We create a false narrative that females are a victim class and men are oppressors and you have to teach boys not to rape because rape is presumed to be a default action.

That's why.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

lol silly girl as a general rule men don't date down we fuck down No man really wants an emotionally unstable woman but we will have sex with one.

Younger women generally look better that's why many men prefer them...... also no man wants an old haggard bitch with a 100000 miles on her pussy.

Lol

Boy bye

See it every day

Looks are important yes

But there are a lot of men who like having the advantage when dating -whether it be financial, personality-based, or looks-wise

Rather then date the young girl with looks and drive they go after the young irresponsible girl with looks who needs saving... Who will put up with bullshit when her light bill needs to be paid

I know men who have a lot to offer a woman but prefer not to date 10s because they are "trouble"...aka they are intimidated by her looks... scared they can't keep her attention when they know other niggas are going to be getting at her

Theres the rkellys of the world who like young women not because of their looks but because they are easier to control

Or they prey on the women who are insecure or traditionally unattractive because they are "more grateful" , "less work"

Yall not just these simple creatures yall like to pretend to be

And its not always about control ...men in general like to feel needed

First of all r.kelly really wants girls not legal age women so leave him out of this

Those men you know that are intimidated by 'LOOKS" really just don't want to deal with all the possible personality flaws usually come with 10"S and has nothing to do with them wanting to be with a girl who need saving. if those men can find a young woman that is a 10 and doesn't have those flaws they will 90% of the time prefer her over an older woman that has hit the wall.

The only men who want women who need saving are " captain save a hoes" and other men despise these kinds of men because they are insecure weaklings

You and your girlfriends are probably guilty of doing what you accuse men of doing, you go after these weak insecure niggas of all stripes because you know that NO stable and mentally secure man will put up with your liberated woman feminist bullshit

women are guilty of there own shit

but there are lot of "captain save a hoes" out here

sometimes its just about the circles they run in and proximity...maybe its even just chemistry

but let's not act like the appeals of dating dating down goes beyond looks for a lot of men

my overall point being men, like women, struggle with insecurity, can be manipulative, can be exploitative, are self sabotaging, etc

*shrugs*

MEN don't date down we don't conceive of it that way. YOU are filtering your perspective through a female lens and apply the "up" or "down" hypergamous females instincts to male dating.

WHEN seriously looking for a mate no man looks around and says " let me find the most fucked up woman I can find so that I can control her" Why??? BECAUSE no matter the who is chosen MEN expect to be the heads of their households and leaders. SO my girlfriend could have a million and one degrees or she could be a check cashing girls it would make no difference to how I expect to be treated.

call it what u want

but dating someone who is substantially younger than you, earns less than you, less cultured, less read, etc that's traditionally referred to as dating down ....

the unwritten expectation is that the partner who dates up will adopt the values, tastes, ideologies of the person they are dating (most evident in class discrepancies)

that said, my point still stands. a lot of times ppl "date down" because it is easier to find someone, and also easier to keep them and get them to do what you want opposed to someone you are at least equally yoked

see the mail-order bride industry ....you even have some men flocking to poor countries like brazil looking for a wife...that is no coincidence. what is one of if not their main complaint? women in america don't know how to be submissive and treat a man...

..this isn't a novel idea...and I'm not trying to argue most men are out here seeking the most fucked up woman to take advantage of as some general rule

i don't even think at times its not about wanting to dominate over a person, but a way to cope/mitigate the risks and uncertainty that comes with relationships and life in general. or they could just be in love with how that person makes them feel, which isn't necessarily a bad thing

yes historically for men it was done out of necessity. but let's acknowledge how once women were systematically kept dependent upon a man's labor which justified in the eyes of many a man being head of house hold. and let's also acknowledge today traditionalism is no longer a necessity and less attractive for many women. we can, and have, and are, working like men and supporting ourselves.

 

[sunlord]

lol silly girl as a general rule men don't date down we fuck down No man really wants an emotionally unstable woman but we will have sex with one.

Younger women generally look better that's why many men prefer them...... also no man wants an old haggard bitch with a 100000 miles on her pussy.

Lol

Boy bye

See it every day

Looks are important yes

But there are a lot of men who like having the advantage when dating -whether it be financial, personality-based, or looks-wise

Rather then date the young girl with looks and drive they go after the young irresponsible girl with looks who needs saving... Who will put up with bullshit when her light bill needs to be paid

I know men who have a lot to offer a woman but prefer not to date 10s because they are "trouble"...aka they are intimidated by her looks... scared they can't keep her attention when they know other niggas are going to be getting at her

Theres the rkellys of the world who like young women not because of their looks but because they are easier to control

Or they prey on the women who are insecure or traditionally unattractive because they are "more grateful" , "less work"

Yall not just these simple creatures yall like to pretend to be

And its not always about control ...men in general like to feel needed

First of all r.kelly really wants girls not legal age women so leave him out of this

Those men you know that are intimidated by 'LOOKS" really just don't want to deal with all the possible personality flaws usually come with 10"S and has nothing to do with them wanting to be with a girl who need saving. if those men can find a young woman that is a 10 and doesn't have those flaws they will 90% of the time prefer her over an older woman that has hit the wall.

The only men who want women who need saving are " captain save a hoes" and other men despise these kinds of men because they are insecure weaklings

You and your girlfriends are probably guilty of doing what you accuse men of doing, you go after these weak insecure niggas of all stripes because you know that NO stable and mentally secure man will put up with your liberated woman feminist bullshit

women are guilty of there own shit

but there are lot of "captain save a hoes" out here

sometimes its just about the circles they run in and proximity...maybe its even just chemistry

but let's not act like the appeals of dating dating down goes beyond looks for a lot of men

my overall point being men, like women, struggle with insecurity, can be manipulative, can be exploitative, are self sabotaging, etc

*shrugs*

MEN don't date down we don't conceive of it that way. YOU are filtering your perspective through a female lens and apply the "up" or "down" hypergamous females instincts to male dating.

WHEN seriously looking for a mate no man looks around and says " let me find the most fucked up woman I can find so that I can control her" Why??? BECAUSE no matter the who is chosen MEN expect to be the heads of their households and leaders. SO my girlfriend could have a million and one degrees or she could be a check cashing girls it would make no difference to how I expect to be treated.

call it what u want

but dating someone who is substantially younger than you, earns less than you, less cultured, less read, etc that's traditionally referred to as dating down ....

the unwritten expectation is that the partner who dates up will adopt the values, tastes, ideologies of the person they are dating (most evident in class discrepancies)

that said, my point still stands. a lot of times ppl "date down" because it is easier to find someone, and also easier to keep them and get them to do what you want opposed to someone you are at least equally yoked

see the mail-order bride industry ....you even have some men flocking to poor countries like brazil looking for a wife...that is no coincidence. what is one of if not their main complaint? women in america don't know how to be submissive and treat a man...

..this isn't a novel idea...and I'm not trying to argue most men are out here seeking the most fucked up woman to take advantage of as some general rule

i don't even think at times its not about wanting to dominate over a person, but a way to cope/mitigate the risks and uncertainty that comes with relationships and life in general. or they could just be in love with how that person makes them feel, which isn't necessarily a bad thing

yes historically for men it was done out of necessity. but let's acknowledge how once women were systematically kept dependent upon a man's labor which justified in the eyes of many a man being head of house hold. and let's also acknowledge today traditionalism is no longer a necessity and less attractive for many women. we can, and have, and are, working like men and supporting ourselves.

Men don't date down. WHAT women earn, what they read etc etc hold far far far less weight with men we generally speaking don't give a rat's ass about those things. This isn't the Victorian age class distinctions when it comes to who you sleep with or mate with went out of style WELL over a century ago and even then it really only applied to the aristocracy.

MEN care about physical attributes and attitude and everything else come a distant second or third. MEN who use mail-order brides are an extreme minority and usually they are older white men and the guys who go to places like brazil looking for women are doing so because typically Brazilian women are better looking and have better attitudes towards doing the traditional female roles. It has nothing to do with men wanting to control women and everything to do with American women having bad attitudes. Women were dependent on men for most of history because they were not as capable to work the same jobs men did, it is that simple. Therefore men had to take up his natural role as head of household.

today women can WORK for themselves but you cannot be superwomen you cannot be the best MOTHER AND WIFE and also be the top worker and make as much money as your male counterparts. BIOLOGY dictates that you choose one to excel at and the other to suck or be mediocre at.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

Hear you go. You always coming in these thread with these same half truths.

First off. Whose fault is it that this society places euro beauty standards on a pedestal? I mean, do you ever talk to your fellow black women about loving their natural selves? Because last I checked, there are a lot of sistas who will cut you over their store bought blonde hair, fake nails and contacts. Meanwhile, Kendrick got backlash for saying "Show me something natural"

Next, if you don't want to put your career on hold, don't get pregnant. It's literally that fucking easy. If a man doesn't want to settle down and be a father, he's always criticized if he ends up being one and still trying to live the single life. Are you really arguing this point? "Give up certain things I enjoy" as if somebody is forcing you to have kids? Come on now. Really?!!!! And then your turn around and say if you abort it you're "shamed". So murdering a child because "you're not ready" although you had a multitude of ways to prevent it is not something to be ashamed of huh? So tell, what socially acceptable option to be 100% absolved of the child raising responsibility does a man have if he decides after the fact that he doesn't want to put his career on hold and give up certain things he enjoys?

Continuing, I don't see women complaining about being the physically weaker sex when that grass need cut. How bout when that snow need to be shoveled? Or them construction jobs where I see women standing around holding stop signs while the men are breaking their backs. Are they paid any less? How about those jobs where lifting a certain amount is a requirement, yet women go get their male counterparts to do the lifting.

Half truths?

America placed euro beauty standards on a pedestal long before blk women had a choice to dye or perm their hair....not to long ago it was actually necessary to conform if you wanted work

Kendrick did not get backlash for simply saying show me something natural

And yes today I do encourage blk women to go natural. I'm natural myself. Had locs for awhile. Do you check ur brethren who worship light skin and long straight hair

But my point is women are biologically disadvantaged ....that's not a fact?

And if you actually could get out of ur feelings and see things for a woman's pov you could empathize with an individual who wants to do something as natural as breathing and also has aspirations beyond motherhood. While women often have to choose to either chase after their dreams at the expense of much of their child bearing years, or vice versa, men don't have to worry about these things. It goes beyond a person aspirations, you and your girl decide to have children she bears the brunt if not all of the physical burden of bearing a child and all the consequences that comes with that

You want to shame someone for having an abortion go head but I rarely see men direct the same vitriol at the men who request his girl goes through with an abortion even though it's not his body

And I'm not exactly sure how to respond to the last paragraph. It's kinda all over the place. Ill just say not even my pops mowed the lawn, he paid my brothers to do so same as he paid me to wash clothes and clean the bathrooms...now that I'm a grown women i shovel snow and I've mowed the lawn lol

Are u suggesting women should be ok with men getting paid more in certain instances?

 

[The Lonious Monk]

YES HE'S SAYING ALL THAT ABOUT THE CRITICISMS OF FEMINISM and MGTOW ^^^^^^^^^^ NO WHERE In what you quoted does he GIVE his own definition of feminism

THAT WHOLE PASSAGE IS ABOUT THE COMMON CRITICISMS OF FEMINISM and mgtow, it's the subject of the whole paragraph. You need to stop twisting words you worse than a lawyer

Dude, how the fuck you gonna post a video and not even understand what it's about.

One of the more common criticisms is that MGTOW is just like feminism.

Those are his exact words. He is not talking about criticisms that feminism and MGTOW have in common. He's addressing one of the more common criticisms of MGTOW, which is that it's just the male analog of feminism. EIther your reading comprehension is really bad, or you're reading it the way you want to read it just to argue.

 

[sunlord]

YES HE'S SAYING ALL THAT ABOUT THE CRITICISMS OF FEMINISM and MGTOW ^^^^^^^^^^ NO WHERE In what you quoted does he GIVE his own definition of feminism

THAT WHOLE PASSAGE IS ABOUT THE COMMON CRITICISMS OF FEMINISM and mgtow, it's the subject of the whole paragraph. You need to stop twisting words you worse than a lawyer

Dude, how the fuck you gonna post a video and not even understand what it's about.

One of the more common criticisms is that MGTOW is just like feminism.

Those are his exact words. He is not talking about criticisms that feminism and MGTOW have in common. He's addressing one of the more common criticisms of MGTOW, which is that it's just the male analog of feminism. EIther your reading comprehension is really bad, or you're reading it the way you want to read it just to argue.

No nigga you are the one who did not understand the video you have earned yourself a well deserved reputation as a word twister you have your own interpretation of what is said in the video and you are running with it

 

[The Lonious Monk]

YES HE'S SAYING ALL THAT ABOUT THE CRITICISMS OF FEMINISM and MGTOW ^^^^^^^^^^ NO WHERE In what you quoted does he GIVE his own definition of feminism

THAT WHOLE PASSAGE IS ABOUT THE COMMON CRITICISMS OF FEMINISM and mgtow, it's the subject of the whole paragraph. You need to stop twisting words you worse than a lawyer

Dude, how the fuck you gonna post a video and not even understand what it's about.

One of the more common criticisms is that MGTOW is just like feminism.

Those are his exact words. He is not talking about criticisms that feminism and MGTOW have in common. He's addressing one of the more common criticisms of MGTOW, which is that it's just the male analog of feminism. EIther your reading comprehension is really bad, or you're reading it the way you want to read it just to argue.

No nigga you are the one who did not understand the video you have earned yourself a well deserved reputation as a word twister you have your own interpretation of what is said in the video and you are running with it

lol Ok bruh, I literally posted his exact words and have said nothing outside what he actually said, but I'm twisting words.

 

[sunlord]

YES HE'S SAYING ALL THAT ABOUT THE CRITICISMS OF FEMINISM and MGTOW ^^^^^^^^^^ NO WHERE In what you quoted does he GIVE his own definition of feminism

THAT WHOLE PASSAGE IS ABOUT THE COMMON CRITICISMS OF FEMINISM and mgtow, it's the subject of the whole paragraph. You need to stop twisting words you worse than a lawyer

Dude, how the fuck you gonna post a video and not even understand what it's about.

One of the more common criticisms is that MGTOW is just like feminism.

Those are his exact words. He is not talking about criticisms that feminism and MGTOW have in common. He's addressing one of the more common criticisms of MGTOW, which is that it's just the male analog of feminism. EIther your reading comprehension is really bad, or you're reading it the way you want to read it just to argue.

No nigga you are the one who did not understand the video you have earned yourself a well deserved reputation as a word twister you have your own interpretation of what is said in the video and you are running with it

lol Ok bruh, I literally posted his exact words and have said nothing outside what he actually said, but I'm twisting words.

You posted what he wrote and gave your interpretation of it and then accused me of reading into it what he said but what he said was very clear and it did not match up to your interpretation.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

YES HE'S SAYING ALL THAT ABOUT THE CRITICISMS OF FEMINISM and MGTOW ^^^^^^^^^^ NO WHERE In what you quoted does he GIVE his own definition of feminism

THAT WHOLE PASSAGE IS ABOUT THE COMMON CRITICISMS OF FEMINISM and mgtow, it's the subject of the whole paragraph. You need to stop twisting words you worse than a lawyer

Dude, how the fuck you gonna post a video and not even understand what it's about.

One of the more common criticisms is that MGTOW is just like feminism.

Those are his exact words. He is not talking about criticisms that feminism and MGTOW have in common. He's addressing one of the more common criticisms of MGTOW, which is that it's just the male analog of feminism. EIther your reading comprehension is really bad, or you're reading it the way you want to read it just to argue.

No nigga you are the one who did not understand the video you have earned yourself a well deserved reputation as a word twister you have your own interpretation of what is said in the video and you are running with it

lol Ok bruh, I literally posted his exact words and have said nothing outside what he actually said, but I'm twisting words.

You posted what he wrote and gave your interpretation of it and then accused me of reading into it what he said but what he said was very clear and it did not match up to your interpretation.

I said he claimed that one of the criticisms of MGTOW is that they were like feminism. I posted his words where he said exactly that. You're the one claiming that he's discussing the common criticisms between MGTOW and feminism, which he didn't say anything about and isn't the point of the video at all. There really isn't anything else to say. I'm not sure how I could possibly be twisting words by saying exactly what he's saying, but you got it.

 

[sunlord]

YES HE'S SAYING ALL THAT ABOUT THE CRITICISMS OF FEMINISM and MGTOW ^^^^^^^^^^ NO WHERE In what you quoted does he GIVE his own definition of feminism

THAT WHOLE PASSAGE IS ABOUT THE COMMON CRITICISMS OF FEMINISM and mgtow, it's the subject of the whole paragraph. You need to stop twisting words you worse than a lawyer

Dude, how the fuck you gonna post a video and not even understand what it's about.

One of the more common criticisms is that MGTOW is just like feminism.

Those are his exact words. He is not talking about criticisms that feminism and MGTOW have in common. He's addressing one of the more common criticisms of MGTOW, which is that it's just the male analog of feminism. EIther your reading comprehension is really bad, or you're reading it the way you want to read it just to argue.

No nigga you are the one who did not understand the video you have earned yourself a well deserved reputation as a word twister you have your own interpretation of what is said in the video and you are running with it

lol Ok bruh, I literally posted his exact words and have said nothing outside what he actually said, but I'm twisting words.

You posted what he wrote and gave your interpretation of it and then accused me of reading into it what he said but what he said was very clear and it did not match up to your interpretation.

I said he claimed that one of the criticisms of MGTOW is that they were like feminism. I posted his words where he said exactly that. You're the one claiming that he's discussing the common criticisms between MGTOW and feminism, which he didn't say anything about and isn't the point of the video at all. There really isn't anything else to say. I'm not sure how I could possibly be twisting words by saying exactly what he's saying, but you got it.

he's responding to the common criticism that mgtow is just as gender supremacist as feminism. That is what he is saying in the video.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

YES HE'S SAYING ALL THAT ABOUT THE CRITICISMS OF FEMINISM and MGTOW ^^^^^^^^^^ NO WHERE In what you quoted does he GIVE his own definition of feminism

THAT WHOLE PASSAGE IS ABOUT THE COMMON CRITICISMS OF FEMINISM and mgtow, it's the subject of the whole paragraph. You need to stop twisting words you worse than a lawyer

Dude, how the fuck you gonna post a video and not even understand what it's about.

One of the more common criticisms is that MGTOW is just like feminism.

Those are his exact words. He is not talking about criticisms that feminism and MGTOW have in common. He's addressing one of the more common criticisms of MGTOW, which is that it's just the male analog of feminism. EIther your reading comprehension is really bad, or you're reading it the way you want to read it just to argue.

No nigga you are the one who did not understand the video you have earned yourself a well deserved reputation as a word twister you have your own interpretation of what is said in the video and you are running with it

lol Ok bruh, I literally posted his exact words and have said nothing outside what he actually said, but I'm twisting words.

You posted what he wrote and gave your interpretation of it and then accused me of reading into it what he said but what he said was very clear and it did not match up to your interpretation.

I said he claimed that one of the criticisms of MGTOW is that they were like feminism. I posted his words where he said exactly that. You're the one claiming that he's discussing the common criticisms between MGTOW and feminism, which he didn't say anything about and isn't the point of the video at all. There really isn't anything else to say. I'm not sure how I could possibly be twisting words by saying exactly what he's saying, but you got it.

he's responding to the common criticism that mgtow is just as gender supremacist as feminism. That is what he is saying in the video.

You're misreading it. I don't know how else to say it. He said "a common criticism of MGTOW is that it is like feminism." That's what he said. If you think that is the opening to a discussion about the common criticisms of the two philosophies, you're just wrong and I'm going to leave it at that.

 

[sunlord]

YES HE'S SAYING ALL THAT ABOUT THE CRITICISMS OF FEMINISM and MGTOW ^^^^^^^^^^ NO WHERE In what you quoted does he GIVE his own definition of feminism

THAT WHOLE PASSAGE IS ABOUT THE COMMON CRITICISMS OF FEMINISM and mgtow, it's the subject of the whole paragraph. You need to stop twisting words you worse than a lawyer

Dude, how the fuck you gonna post a video and not even understand what it's about.

One of the more common criticisms is that MGTOW is just like feminism.

Those are his exact words. He is not talking about criticisms that feminism and MGTOW have in common. He's addressing one of the more common criticisms of MGTOW, which is that it's just the male analog of feminism. EIther your reading comprehension is really bad, or you're reading it the way you want to read it just to argue.

No nigga you are the one who did not understand the video you have earned yourself a well deserved reputation as a word twister you have your own interpretation of what is said in the video and you are running with it

lol Ok bruh, I literally posted his exact words and have said nothing outside what he actually said, but I'm twisting words.

You posted what he wrote and gave your interpretation of it and then accused me of reading into it what he said but what he said was very clear and it did not match up to your interpretation.

I said he claimed that one of the criticisms of MGTOW is that they were like feminism. I posted his words where he said exactly that. You're the one claiming that he's discussing the common criticisms between MGTOW and feminism, which he didn't say anything about and isn't the point of the video at all. There really isn't anything else to say. I'm not sure how I could possibly be twisting words by saying exactly what he's saying, but you got it.

he's responding to the common criticism that mgtow is just as gender supremacist as feminism. That is what he is saying in the video.

You're misreading it. I don't know how else to say it. He said "a common criticism of MGTOW is that it is like feminism." That's what he said. If you think that is the opening to a discussion about the common criticisms of the two philosophies, you're just wrong and I'm going to leave it at that.

No you are wrong.

 

[gorilla]

Hear you go. You always coming in these thread with these same half truths.

First off. Whose fault is it that this society places euro beauty standards on a pedestal? I mean, do you ever talk to your fellow black women about loving their natural selves? Because last I checked, there are a lot of sistas who will cut you over their store bought blonde hair, fake nails and contacts. Meanwhile, Kendrick got backlash for saying "Show me something natural"

Next, if you don't want to put your career on hold, don't get pregnant. It's literally that fucking easy. If a man doesn't want to settle down and be a father, he's always criticized if he ends up being one and still trying to live the single life. Are you really arguing this point? "Give up certain things I enjoy" as if somebody is forcing you to have kids? Come on now. Really?!!!! And then your turn around and say if you abort it you're "shamed". So murdering a child because "you're not ready" although you had a multitude of ways to prevent it is not something to be ashamed of huh? So tell, what socially acceptable option to be 100% absolved of the child raising responsibility does a man have if he decides after the fact that he doesn't want to put his career on hold and give up certain things he enjoys?

Continuing, I don't see women complaining about being the physically weaker sex when that grass need cut. How bout when that snow need to be shoveled? Or them construction jobs where I see women standing around holding stop signs while the men are breaking their backs. Are they paid any less? How about those jobs where lifting a certain amount is a requirement, yet women go get their male counterparts to do the lifting.

Half truths?

America placed euro beauty standards on a pedestal long before blk women had a choice to dye or perm their hair....not to long ago it was actually necessary to conform if you wanted work

Kendrick did not get backlash for simply saying show me something natural

And yes today I do encourage blk women to go natural. I'm natural myself. Had locs for awhile. Do you check ur brethren who worship light skin and long straight hair

But my point is women are biologically disadvantaged ....that's not a fact?

And if you actually could get out of ur feelings and see things for a woman's pov you could empathize with an individual who wants to do something as natural as breathing and also has aspirations beyond motherhood. While women often have to choose to either chase after their dreams at the expense of much of their child bearing years, or vice versa, men don't have to worry about these things. It goes beyond a person aspirations, you and your girl decide to have children she bears the brunt if not all of the physical burden of bearing a child and all the consequences that comes with that

You want to shame someone for having an abortion go head but I rarely see men direct the same vitriol at the men who request his girl goes through with an abortion even though it's not his body

And I'm not exactly sure how to respond to the last paragraph. It's kinda all over the place. Ill just say not even my pops mowed the lawn, he paid my brothers to do so same as he paid me to wash clothes and clean the bathrooms...now that I'm a grown women i shovel snow and I've mowed the lawn lol

Are u suggesting women should be ok with men getting paid more in certain instances?

You keep talking in circles. Nothing you said invalidates what I posted. Lmao at ME being in my feelings when you the one who keeps coming up with these counterpoints rooted in emotions because you seem to be disappointed in being born a woman. All I ever read is you bitching about it.

These white women lied to you and you fell for it hook line and sinker. You repeat their rhetoric as if it were gospel. You have a deeper issue than plain logic and facts can address.

 

[aneed123]

lol silly girl as a general rule men don't date down we fuck down No man really wants an emotionally unstable woman but we will have sex with one.

Younger women generally look better that's why many men prefer them...... also no man wants an old haggard bitch with a 100000 miles on her pussy.

Lol

Boy bye

See it every day

Looks are important yes

But there are a lot of men who like having the advantage when dating -whether it be financial, personality-based, or looks-wise

Rather then date the young girl with looks and drive they go after the young irresponsible girl with looks who needs saving... Who will put up with bullshit when her light bill needs to be paid

I know men who have a lot to offer a woman but prefer not to date 10s because they are "trouble"...aka they are intimidated by her looks... scared they can't keep her attention when they know other niggas are going to be getting at her

Theres the rkellys of the world who like young women not because of their looks but because they are easier to control

Or they prey on the women who are insecure or traditionally unattractive because they are "more grateful" , "less work"

Yall not just these simple creatures yall like to pretend to be

And its not always about control ...men in general like to feel needed

First of all r.kelly really wants girls not legal age women so leave him out of this

Those men you know that are intimidated by 'LOOKS" really just don't want to deal with all the possible personality flaws usually come with 10"S and has nothing to do with them wanting to be with a girl who need saving. if those men can find a young woman that is a 10 and doesn't have those flaws they will 90% of the time prefer her over an older woman that has hit the wall.

The only men who want women who need saving are " captain save a hoes" and other men despise these kinds of men because they are insecure weaklings

You and your girlfriends are probably guilty of doing what you accuse men of doing, you go after these weak insecure niggas of all stripes because you know that NO stable and mentally secure man will put up with your liberated woman feminist bullshit

women are guilty of there own shit

but there are lot of "captain save a hoes" out here

sometimes its just about the circles they run in and proximity...maybe its even just chemistry

but let's not act like the appeals of dating dating down goes beyond looks for a lot of men

my overall point being men, like women, struggle with insecurity, can be manipulative, can be exploitative, are self sabotaging, etc

*shrugs*

MEN don't date down we don't conceive of it that way. YOU are filtering your perspective through a female lens and apply the "up" or "down" hypergamous females instincts to male dating.

WHEN seriously looking for a mate no man looks around and says " let me find the most fucked up woman I can find so that I can control her" Why??? BECAUSE no matter the who is chosen MEN expect to be the heads of their households and leaders. SO my girlfriend could have a million and one degrees or she could be a check cashing girls it would make no difference to how I expect to be treated.

call it what u want

but dating someone who is substantially younger than you, earns less than you, less cultured, less read, etc that's traditionally referred to as dating down ....

the unwritten expectation is that the partner who dates up will adopt the values, tastes, ideologies of the person they are dating (most evident in class discrepancies)

that said, my point still stands. a lot of times ppl "date down" because it is easier to find someone, and also easier to keep them and get them to do what you want opposed to someone you are at least equally yoked

see the mail-order bride industry ....you even have some men flocking to poor countries like brazil looking for a wife...that is no coincidence. what is one of if not their main complaint? women in america don't know how to be submissive and treat a man...

..this isn't a novel idea...and I'm not trying to argue most men are out here seeking the most fucked up woman to take advantage of as some general rule

i don't even think at times its not about wanting to dominate over a person, but a way to cope/mitigate the risks and uncertainty that comes with relationships and life in general. or they could just be in love with how that person makes them feel, which isn't necessarily a bad thing

yes historically for men it was done out of necessity. but let's acknowledge how once women were systematically kept dependent upon a man's labor which justified in the eyes of many a man being head of house hold. and let's also acknowledge today traditionalism is no longer a necessity and less attractive for many women. we can, and have, and are, working like men and supporting ourselves.

no men dont care bout her job cultured etc... we care bout if she look good and is she down to earth and a good person.. the other shit u named is what career women use to choose men... not nan nigga ever said oh she cool cute and nice but i cant date her cuz we not equally yoked.

 

[deadeye]

lol silly girl as a general rule men don't date down we fuck down No man really wants an emotionally unstable woman but we will have sex with one.

Younger women generally look better that's why many men prefer them...... also no man wants an old haggard bitch with a 100000 miles on her pussy.

Lol

Boy bye

See it every day

Looks are important yes

But there are a lot of men who like having the advantage when dating -whether it be financial, personality-based, or looks-wise

Rather then date the young girl with looks and drive they go after the young irresponsible girl with looks who needs saving... Who will put up with bullshit when her light bill needs to be paid

I know men who have a lot to offer a woman but prefer not to date 10s because they are "trouble"...aka they are intimidated by her looks... scared they can't keep her attention when they know other niggas are going to be getting at her

Theres the rkellys of the world who like young women not because of their looks but because they are easier to control

Or they prey on the women who are insecure or traditionally unattractive because they are "more grateful" , "less work"

Yall not just these simple creatures yall like to pretend to be

And its not always about control ...men in general like to feel needed

First of all r.kelly really wants girls not legal age women so leave him out of this

Those men you know that are intimidated by 'LOOKS" really just don't want to deal with all the possible personality flaws usually come with 10"S and has nothing to do with them wanting to be with a girl who need saving. if those men can find a young woman that is a 10 and doesn't have those flaws they will 90% of the time prefer her over an older woman that has hit the wall.

The only men who want women who need saving are " captain save a hoes" and other men despise these kinds of men because they are insecure weaklings

You and your girlfriends are probably guilty of doing what you accuse men of doing, you go after these weak insecure niggas of all stripes because you know that NO stable and mentally secure man will put up with your liberated woman feminist bullshit

women are guilty of there own shit

but there are lot of "captain save a hoes" out here

sometimes its just about the circles they run in and proximity...maybe its even just chemistry

but let's not act like the appeals of dating dating down goes beyond looks for a lot of men

my overall point being men, like women, struggle with insecurity, can be manipulative, can be exploitative, are self sabotaging, etc

*shrugs*

MEN don't date down we don't conceive of it that way. YOU are filtering your perspective through a female lens and apply the "up" or "down" hypergamous females instincts to male dating.

WHEN seriously looking for a mate no man looks around and says " let me find the most fucked up woman I can find so that I can control her" Why??? BECAUSE no matter the who is chosen MEN expect to be the heads of their households and leaders. SO my girlfriend could have a million and one degrees or she could be a check cashing girls it would make no difference to how I expect to be treated.

call it what u want

but dating someone who is substantially younger than you, earns less than you, less cultured, less read, etc that's traditionally referred to as dating down ....

the unwritten expectation is that the partner who dates up will adopt the values, tastes, ideologies of the person they are dating (most evident in class discrepancies)

that said, my point still stands. a lot of times ppl "date down" because it is easier to find someone, and also easier to keep them and get them to do what you want opposed to someone you are at least equally yoked

see the mail-order bride industry ....you even have some men flocking to poor countries like brazil looking for a wife...that is no coincidence. what is one of if not their main complaint? women in america don't know how to be submissive and treat a man...

..this isn't a novel idea...and I'm not trying to argue most men are out here seeking the most fucked up woman to take advantage of as some general rule

i don't even think at times its not about wanting to dominate over a person, but a way to cope/mitigate the risks and uncertainty that comes with relationships and life in general. or they could just be in love with how that person makes them feel, which isn't necessarily a bad thing

yes historically for men it was done out of necessity. but let's acknowledge how once women were systematically kept dependent upon a man's labor which justified in the eyes of many a man being head of house hold. and let's also acknowledge today traditionalism is no longer a necessity and less attractive for many women. we can, and have, and are, working like men and supporting ourselves.

no men dont care bout her job cultured etc... we care bout if she look good and is she down to earth and a good person.. the other shit u named is what career women use to choose men... not nan nigga ever said oh she cool cute and nice but i cant date her cuz we not equally yoked.

Women just don't seem to understand that men and women are wired differently.

The average man doesn't care about what college a chick went to, how many degrees she has, how educated she is, etc.

Main thing we care about are looks, common sense, trust, and whether or not she can cook.

And they say that we're the superficial ones.

 

[deadeye]

Also,

Congratulations @LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

lol silly girl as a general rule men don't date down we fuck down No man really wants an emotionally unstable woman but we will have sex with one.

Younger women generally look better that's why many men prefer them...... also no man wants an old haggard bitch with a 100000 miles on her pussy.

Lol

Boy bye

See it every day

Looks are important yes

But there are a lot of men who like having the advantage when dating -whether it be financial, personality-based, or looks-wise

Rather then date the young girl with looks and drive they go after the young irresponsible girl with looks who needs saving... Who will put up with bullshit when her light bill needs to be paid

I know men who have a lot to offer a woman but prefer not to date 10s because they are "trouble"...aka they are intimidated by her looks... scared they can't keep her attention when they know other niggas are going to be getting at her

Theres the rkellys of the world who like young women not because of their looks but because they are easier to control

Or they prey on the women who are insecure or traditionally unattractive because they are "more grateful" , "less work"

Yall not just these simple creatures yall like to pretend to be

And its not always about control ...men in general like to feel needed

First of all r.kelly really wants girls not legal age women so leave him out of this

Those men you know that are intimidated by 'LOOKS" really just don't want to deal with all the possible personality flaws usually come with 10"S and has nothing to do with them wanting to be with a girl who need saving. if those men can find a young woman that is a 10 and doesn't have those flaws they will 90% of the time prefer her over an older woman that has hit the wall.

The only men who want women who need saving are " captain save a hoes" and other men despise these kinds of men because they are insecure weaklings

You and your girlfriends are probably guilty of doing what you accuse men of doing, you go after these weak insecure niggas of all stripes because you know that NO stable and mentally secure man will put up with your liberated woman feminist bullshit

women are guilty of there own shit

but there are lot of "captain save a hoes" out here

sometimes its just about the circles they run in and proximity...maybe its even just chemistry

but let's not act like the appeals of dating dating down goes beyond looks for a lot of men

my overall point being men, like women, struggle with insecurity, can be manipulative, can be exploitative, are self sabotaging, etc

*shrugs*

MEN don't date down we don't conceive of it that way. YOU are filtering your perspective through a female lens and apply the "up" or "down" hypergamous females instincts to male dating.

WHEN seriously looking for a mate no man looks around and says " let me find the most fucked up woman I can find so that I can control her" Why??? BECAUSE no matter the who is chosen MEN expect to be the heads of their households and leaders. SO my girlfriend could have a million and one degrees or she could be a check cashing girls it would make no difference to how I expect to be treated.

call it what u want

but dating someone who is substantially younger than you, earns less than you, less cultured, less read, etc that's traditionally referred to as dating down ....

the unwritten expectation is that the partner who dates up will adopt the values, tastes, ideologies of the person they are dating (most evident in class discrepancies)

that said, my point still stands. a lot of times ppl "date down" because it is easier to find someone, and also easier to keep them and get them to do what you want opposed to someone you are at least equally yoked

see the mail-order bride industry ....you even have some men flocking to poor countries like brazil looking for a wife...that is no coincidence. what is one of if not their main complaint? women in america don't know how to be submissive and treat a man...

..this isn't a novel idea...and I'm not trying to argue most men are out here seeking the most fucked up woman to take advantage of as some general rule

i don't even think at times its not about wanting to dominate over a person, but a way to cope/mitigate the risks and uncertainty that comes with relationships and life in general. or they could just be in love with how that person makes them feel, which isn't necessarily a bad thing

yes historically for men it was done out of necessity. but let's acknowledge how once women were systematically kept dependent upon a man's labor which justified in the eyes of many a man being head of house hold. and let's also acknowledge today traditionalism is no longer a necessity and less attractive for many women. we can, and have, and are, working like men and supporting ourselves.

no men dont care bout her job cultured etc... we care bout if she look good and is she down to earth and a good person.. the other shit u named is what career women use to choose men... not nan nigga ever said oh she cool cute and nice but i cant date her cuz we not equally yoked.

lol

so you speaking for all men now?

but yes historically a man had the privilege of never having to worry about these things

today that shit will get u burned

 

[LordZuko]

@gorilla @LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY @sunlord

What have been some red pill moments in your life?

 

[aneed123]

lol silly girl as a general rule men don't date down we fuck down No man really wants an emotionally unstable woman but we will have sex with one.

Younger women generally look better that's why many men prefer them...... also no man wants an old haggard bitch with a 100000 miles on her pussy.

Lol

Boy bye

See it every day

Looks are important yes

But there are a lot of men who like having the advantage when dating -whether it be financial, personality-based, or looks-wise

Rather then date the young girl with looks and drive they go after the young irresponsible girl with looks who needs saving... Who will put up with bullshit when her light bill needs to be paid

I know men who have a lot to offer a woman but prefer not to date 10s because they are "trouble"...aka they are intimidated by her looks... scared they can't keep her attention when they know other niggas are going to be getting at her

Theres the rkellys of the world who like young women not because of their looks but because they are easier to control

Or they prey on the women who are insecure or traditionally unattractive because they are "more grateful" , "less work"

Yall not just these simple creatures yall like to pretend to be

And its not always about control ...men in general like to feel needed

First of all r.kelly really wants girls not legal age women so leave him out of this

Those men you know that are intimidated by 'LOOKS" really just don't want to deal with all the possible personality flaws usually come with 10"S and has nothing to do with them wanting to be with a girl who need saving. if those men can find a young woman that is a 10 and doesn't have those flaws they will 90% of the time prefer her over an older woman that has hit the wall.

The only men who want women who need saving are " captain save a hoes" and other men despise these kinds of men because they are insecure weaklings

You and your girlfriends are probably guilty of doing what you accuse men of doing, you go after these weak insecure niggas of all stripes because you know that NO stable and mentally secure man will put up with your liberated woman feminist bullshit

women are guilty of there own shit

but there are lot of "captain save a hoes" out here

sometimes its just about the circles they run in and proximity...maybe its even just chemistry

but let's not act like the appeals of dating dating down goes beyond looks for a lot of men

my overall point being men, like women, struggle with insecurity, can be manipulative, can be exploitative, are self sabotaging, etc

*shrugs*

MEN don't date down we don't conceive of it that way. YOU are filtering your perspective through a female lens and apply the "up" or "down" hypergamous females instincts to male dating.

WHEN seriously looking for a mate no man looks around and says " let me find the most fucked up woman I can find so that I can control her" Why??? BECAUSE no matter the who is chosen MEN expect to be the heads of their households and leaders. SO my girlfriend could have a million and one degrees or she could be a check cashing girls it would make no difference to how I expect to be treated.

call it what u want

but dating someone who is substantially younger than you, earns less than you, less cultured, less read, etc that's traditionally referred to as dating down ....

the unwritten expectation is that the partner who dates up will adopt the values, tastes, ideologies of the person they are dating (most evident in class discrepancies)

that said, my point still stands. a lot of times ppl "date down" because it is easier to find someone, and also easier to keep them and get them to do what you want opposed to someone you are at least equally yoked

see the mail-order bride industry ....you even have some men flocking to poor countries like brazil looking for a wife...that is no coincidence. what is one of if not their main complaint? women in america don't know how to be submissive and treat a man...

..this isn't a novel idea...and I'm not trying to argue most men are out here seeking the most fucked up woman to take advantage of as some general rule

i don't even think at times its not about wanting to dominate over a person, but a way to cope/mitigate the risks and uncertainty that comes with relationships and life in general. or they could just be in love with how that person makes them feel, which isn't necessarily a bad thing

yes historically for men it was done out of necessity. but let's acknowledge how once women were systematically kept dependent upon a man's labor which justified in the eyes of many a man being head of house hold. and let's also acknowledge today traditionalism is no longer a necessity and less attractive for many women. we can, and have, and are, working like men and supporting ourselves.

no men dont care bout her job cultured etc... we care bout if she look good and is she down to earth and a good person.. the other shit u named is what career women use to choose men... not nan nigga ever said oh she cool cute and nice but i cant date her cuz we not equally yoked.

lol

so you speaking for all men now?

but yes historically a man had the privilege of never having to worry about these things

today that shit will get u burned

this is why men so frustrated honestly