Men to Boys: The Making of Modern Immaturity

[Coby Vibes]

I think alot of has to do with some women, regardless of race, ethnicity, have reduced men to their wallets/bank account...a woman being able to provide isn't the issue I see that most men have...it's when a woman feels that because she can provide for herself a man's role is somehow diminished and that leads alot of dudes to say they don't like the attitudes of what's considered today's "modern woman"

women have reduced men to this.... or was the ability to provide and be a breadwinner the standard gauge for manhood?
that was societies doing. and we are in a patriarchal society defined by men

 

[zombie]

women have reduced men to this.... or was the ability to provide and be a breadwinner the standard gauge for manhood?
that was societies doing. and we are in a patriarchal society defined by men

America is no longer really a patriarchal society it just looks that way. Before everything men did had a benefit to women when we worked you got the money you got the food when we went to war we prevented you from having to die. under patriarchy women provided men with a reason for doing much of what we did, now you don't need us so a culture of men playing has evolved we get to do more of what we always wanted to do but could not. our society was changed by women men did not just choose to have prolonged teenagehood for no reason the behaviors of young men today are a direct result of the women lib movement of the 60's.

 

[Mindstarter]

America is no longer really a patriarchal society it just looks that way. Before everything men did had a benefit to women when we worked you got the money you got the food when we went to war we prevented you from having to die. under patriarchy women provided men with a reason for doing much of what we did, now you don't need us so a culture of men playing has evolved we get to do more of what we always wanted to do but could not. our society was changed by women men did not just choose to have prolonged teenagehood for no reason the behaviors of young men today are a direct result of the women lib movement of the 60's.

Why do you think women wanted to be liberated? Men always seem to think that women have it so good when a man takes care of them, but they fail to realize that a lot of people loose control when they have power.

 

[Real Lady]

I seen the downfall with men coming along time ago, when most start believing all women are bitches, and all bitches are hoes..

this mean they are not using their instinct, or observing a woman by mentality. When men started judging women by their looks is when men start following instead of leading.....vanity was really a problem amongst women, now it is problem amongst men

 

[longmeat]

so when did niggas start giving a fuck about what these bitches think or what?

 

[blackrain]

women have reduced men to this.... or was the ability to provide and be a breadwinner the standard gauge for manhood?
that was societies doing. and we are in a patriarchal society defined by men

It was part of the standard...you have to remember that while marriage has always been a part of society, having a wife and kids wasn't the end all be all definition of manhood...but in terms of being a family man yes it was the main thing that was supposed to garner respect from your wife...that the man could provide a home for the family...now that the role of provider can be shared some men and women have evolved a new attitude about it, and some haven't...

 

[blackrain]

Why do you think women wanted to be liberated? Men always seem to think that women have it so good when a man takes care of them, but they fail to realize that a lot of people loose control when they have power.

Men realize that...remember we've been the one's in power for the great majority of history...as for the rest of your post...there's nothing in Zombie's post saying things were better just different...different doesn't always mean better or worse

 

[haute]

meh it's more growing pains than immaturity

men and women are learning how to adapt to new roles that aren't as rigid

some take it and run with it, others stumble and fall

but that's what societies do, they evolve

and it's no fault to men or women, it unfortunately is not that simple, there's too many factors that go into that

yes in the 50' men went to war and women didn't

but women went to work because men could not

and that was start of women in the workplace not some made up feminist conspiracy

 

[zombie]

Why do you think women wanted to be liberated? Men always seem to think that women have it so good when a man takes care of them, but they fail to realize that a lot of people loose control when they have power.

I am not saying that women had a perfect life under men, somethings needed to be changed but women took things too far. laws and atitudes both male and female have to revert to some of the older ways. the feminist lie about the mass bad treatment given to women is bullshit most men did not beat their wives to a bloody pulp or treat them that bad. Hell we treat them worse now. time has it was taboo to hit a girl now little boys don't give a fuck.

 

[zombie]

A ugly women in 1919 would still be ugly in 2011 we have not changed. Women have provided us with the ability to do more of what we want you did not want men holding you down so you struggled to get free we let you go, we are now free to do more of what we want and that means play longer.

 

[Mindstarter]

I am not saying that women had a perfect life under men, somethings needed to be changed but women took things too far. laws and atitudes both male and female have to revert to some of the older ways. the feminist lie about the mass bad treatment given to women is bullshit most men did not beat their wives to a bloody pulp or treat them that bad. Hell we treat them worse now. time has it was taboo to hit a girl now little boys don't give a fuck.

I thought thats what you were saying when you said that women benefited from men working and being the provider. I see where u coming from and def agree wit the bold. However, it was acceptable to beat ur wife back in the day....just saying.

 

[Niggersauce]

meh it's more growing pains than immaturity

men and women are learning how to adapt to new roles that aren't as rigid

some take it and run with it, others stumble and fall

but that's what societies do, they evolve

and it's no fault to men or women, it unfortunately is not that simple, there's too many factors that go into that

yes in the 50' men went to war and women didn't

but women went to work because men could not

and that was start of women in the workplace not some made up feminist conspiracy

great post haute......

 

[Mindstarter]

A ugly women in 1919 would still be ugly in 2011 we have not changed. Women have provided us with the ability to do more of what we want you did not want men holding you down so you struggled to get free we let you go, we are now free to do more of what we want and that means play longer.

Is that the reason so many old men knock up young females?

 

[zombie]

I seen the downfall with men coming along time ago, when most start believing all women are bitches, and all bitches are hoes..

this mean they are not using their instinct, or observing a woman by mentality. When men started judging women by their looks is when men start following instead of leading.....vanity was really a problem amongst women, now it is problem amongst men

A ugly women in 1919 would still be ugly in 2011 we have not changed. Women have provided us with the ability to do more of what we want you did not want men holding you down so you struggled to get free we let you go, we are now free to do more of what we want and that means play longer.

 

[zombie]

Pretty much . Younger women tend to look better and older men tend to have more to offer.

 

[zombie]

I thought thats what you were saying when you said that women benefited from men working and being the provider. I see where u coming from and def agree wit the bold. However, it was acceptable to beat ur wife back in the day....just saying.

Men did and do beat women but is was not as rampant as some would have you believe if it was the taboo of hitting a girl would never have arisen

 

[blackrain]

meh it's more growing pains than immaturity

men and women are learning how to adapt to new roles that aren't as rigid

some take it and run with it, others stumble and fall

but that's what societies do, they evolve

and it's no fault to men or women, it unfortunately is not that simple, there's too many factors that go into that

yes in the 50' men went to war and women didn't

but women went to work because men could not

and that was start of women in the workplace not some made up feminist conspiracy

exactly....

 

[blackrain]

I thought thats what you were saying when you said that women benefited from men working and being the provider. I see where u coming from and def agree wit the bold. However, it was acceptable to beat ur wife back in the day....just saying.

The actual violence isn't what was condoned more so the woman not speaking out against her husband...that was looked down upon in any instance..

 

[Niggersauce]

If anything we do not need to regress to old ways and hold on to old ideals of what a relationship should be.

The world is changing and everyone needs to adapt to that change or get out of the way.

 

[haute]

If anything we do not need to regress to old ways and hold on to old ideals of what a relationship should be.

The world is changing and everyone needs to adapt to that change or get out of the way.

Pretty much

I mean most married couples benefit from having two incomes

So instead of men trying uphold being a bread winner or women trying to take the mans place of a bread winning

we should learn how to just be partners with each other

Same thing with parenting

women need to stop holding on to the "whoa is me I work and raise children" martyr sash

and except and acknowledge that men do the exact same thing

working together instead of trying to one up each other in the gender war is waaay more effective