Men to Boys: The Making of Modern Immaturity

[Coby Vibes]

but since it was bolded and pointed out by you, it became a main point of some people's response because it's such an arbitrary thing to base a person's maturity level on..it actually hurts the argument more than it helps it...blame yourself for that...

There are many things highlighted other than that... just stop it. your focus on it... is personal

 

[blackrain]

There are many things highlighted other than that... just stop it. your focus on it... is personal

No, look at my post with King, I talked about other issues in the article as well...try again

 

[7figz]

There are many things highlighted other than that... just stop it. your focus on it... is personal

This is the way she posts when she doesn't have an argument. She diverts the argument to something personal about the person who posted it.

She bolded the shit then complains when someone responds to the bolded - wtf ?

Haute, you give this bitch way too much credit.

 

[MissLeading]

Lol I see the "boy-men" came in this thread on full attack mode...

 

[7figz]

Lol I see the "boy-men" came in this thread on full attack mode...

Who else you expect to crash a bitter-bitch party ?

On the real though, the name-calling is wack. What argument do you have against men who simply don't want to get married, enjoy video games, and are responsible for themselves and only things they agree they should be responsible for ?

 

[VulcanRaven]

some of you are just better off just saying fuck off like haute said.

really... smh. it's like the video games shit hit a nerve with some of you. the video game thing is such a tiny example in the entire context of the excerpt. and most of you can't get past that tiny example.

unreal

this is a book for crying out loud. click the link and read. there are similar books written on the same phenomenon.



shit is real whether you guys want to admit it or not

Why would I click the link when I don't give a fuck about this so called phenomenon? It's just someone's flawed opinion and singling out the video game part is pointing out the flaw in the writer's logic.As for everything out,women can also fit this description.I know plenty of them who hang out at clubs,pay for their hair,but don't have no food in the house to feed their bad ass kids and can barely pay their bills.

 

[yroholla]

I'm still wondering who is coddling these young men...care to answer t/s?

 

[VulcanRaven]

it was written by a man. do you dudes read and respond based on reason or just pure emotions. the only bitter and jaded people in this thread are the men

smh

So because most don't agree with you,they are bitter?

 

[gorilla]

Hence why I said the american male.

 

[gorilla]

Finally, a good response. Which I agree with. I dont find anything wrong with a man wanting to play video games and not get married. The problem really comes into play when they want to have children out of wedlock and/or sting along a women just cuz they want to have on hand pussy w/o commitment.

I see too many guys who dont know how to cook or clean and have their mommy do all that while they play videos games or hang out in the streets. Then when their mother no longer wants to or is unable to take care of them, they want to find a woman to take over her job, but they still want to keep up the same behavior of playing video games and hanging in the streets.

I think some of these dudes taking things out of context.

Ain't nothing wrong with playing some ps3 xbox or whatever. Shit I mos def gets my Madden12 on (my girl too) but you best believe that's AFTER I've paid the bills, taken care of my kids etc. The problem is inin the niggas who don't do shit else BUT THAT!

Seriously as a grown man if ALL you do is sit around and play video games, or hit the club, or ride around all damn day with the homies then yeah you a bitch nigga. Go do something productive. Get some ambition.

Should a man have SOME kind of responsibility to his community? Damn straight, so should women, but this thread ain't about women. I don't take offense to anything in the excerpt cuz I now the type of dudes it's aimed at.

 

[MissLeading]

Who else you expect to crash a bitter-bitch party ?

On the real though, the name-calling is wack. What argument do you have against men who simply don't want to get married, enjoy video games, and are responsible for themselves and only things they agree they should be responsible for ?

Nothing, but is that what the article is about?

 

[7figz]

I think some of these dudes taking things out of context.

Ain't nothing wrong with playing some ps3 xbox or whatever. Shit I mos def gets my Madden12 on (my girl too) but you best believe that's AFTER I've paid the bills, taken care of my kids etc. The problem is inin the niggas who don't do shit else BUT THAT!

Seriously as a grown man if ALL you do is sit around and play video games, or hit the club, or ride around all damn day with the homies then yeah you a bitch nigga. Go do something productive. Get some ambition.

Should a man have SOME kind of responsibility to his community? Damn straight, so should women, but this thread ain't about women. I don't take offense to anything in the excerpt cuz I now the type of dudes it's aimed at.

I understand your point but that's not the point most people are arguing.

The opening of the first quote basically says that men don't commit to marriage and family by refusing to grow up. So basically if you don't agree with marriage, then you're not mature ?

That's arguable to say the least. Then later, the mention of video games and men living with their parents as if this is the majority of men. The article is obviously slanted. I don't know any dudes who fit that profile. Why even mention video games as if there were something wrong with it ? Why even mention living with your parents as if that alone is bad - shit you could have a job and be paying all the bills in your parent's house ?

This man-bashing article and T/S history of man-bashing is enough to know not to take it seriously.

 

[Mindstarter]

I understand your point but that's not the point most people are arguing.

The opening of the first quote basically says that men don't commit to marriage and family by refusing to grow up. So basically if you don't agree with marriage, then you're not mature ?

That's arguable to say the least. Then later, the mention of video games and men living with their parents as if this is the majority of men. The article is obviously slanted. I don't know any dudes who fit that profile. Why even mention video games as if there were something wrong with it ? Why even mention living with your parents as if that alone is bad - shit you could have a job and be paying all the bills in your parent's house ?

This man-bashing article and T/S history of man-bashing is enough to know not to take it seriously.

I think the article is referring to men who want to have relationships and make babies without commitment...thats why later in the article it mentioned fatherless children.

 

[king hassan]

I think some of these dudes taking things out of context.

Ain't nothing wrong with playing some ps3 xbox or whatever. Shit I mos def gets my Madden12 on (my girl too) but you best believe that's AFTER I've paid the bills, taken care of my kids etc. The problem is inin the niggas who don't do shit else BUT THAT!

Seriously as a grown man if ALL you do is sit around and play video games, or hit the club, or ride around all damn day with the homies then yeah you a bitch nigga. Go do something productive. Get some ambition.

Should a man have SOME kind of responsibility to his community? Damn straight, so should women, but this thread ain't about women. I don't take offense to anything in the excerpt cuz I now the type of dudes it's aimed at.

c/s the bolded.................

 

[zombie]

The article is bullshit because men have not changed women have. females and society removed all incentive to get married so men don't simple as that.

This whole boy-man thing started in the 1960's not the 50's unless the writer is calling the young men who slaughtered imperial japan and hitler boy's. If you study how men and women interacted before the 60's and compared in to how it is now you will see that the current situation can only be changed by women. Before video games grown men played cards and other games the males have not changed. There is no reason to get married because marriage is a joke it's no longer taken serious anymore, women did this they pushed to change the divorce laws.

 

[Mindstarter]

The article is bullshit because men have not changed women have. females and society removed all incentive to get married so men don't simple as that.

This whole boy-man thing started in the 1960's not the 50's unless the writer is calling the young men who slaughtered imperial japan and hitler boy's. If you study how men and women interacted before the 60's and compared in to how it is now you will see that the current situation can only be changed by women. Before video games grown men played cards and other games the males have not changed. There is no reason to get married because marriage is a joke it's no longer taken serious anymore, women did this they pushed to change the divorce laws.

I think a lot of women wouldnt mind to still have the tradional role of being the homemaker...but the reality is that it cant be done in todays economy. A lot of men still want women in this role but in reality cannot provide enough to support a family by himself....to me that one of the biggest reason a lot of men avoid marriage. They wont admit it though.

 

[zombie]

That could be , but i don't buy that. All through history the poor men of america got married, now poor men live richer than they did in the past but marry less so i don't think the economy is the cause for low marriage rates and high divorce rates.

 

[Knives Amilli]

I think thats unture and thats why so many men are confused nowadays. Just because a women makes money to contribute to the household doesnt mean that you as a man cant do the same. Too many men wants to control things and be the breadwinner and if their failing at that then they feel their failing at life and want to jump ship. To men that makes these types of men punk bitches.

The roles have changed for women, where we have to work but we still have to make time to take care of the household and raise the chidlren. I dont understand why men cant do the same, why cant you guys work and help take care of the household and help raise the children.

But the article isn't about that. Its about men not wanting to get married or have children in the first place. And the necessity for men in the household was a HUGE factor for ensuring men were married and parents early in life.

 

[blackrain]

I think a lot of women wouldnt mind to still have the tradional role of being the homemaker...but the reality is that it cant be done in todays economy. A lot of men still want women in this role but in reality cannot provide enough to support a family by himself....to me that one of the biggest reason a lot of men avoid marriage. They wont admit it though.

I think alot of has to do with some women, regardless of race, ethnicity, have reduced men to their wallets/bank account...a woman being able to provide isn't the issue I see that most men have...it's when a woman feels that because she can provide for herself a man's role is somehow diminished and that leads alot of dudes to say they don't like the attitudes of what's considered today's "modern woman"

 

[Knives Amilli]

but as the author states the beginning of boy-men started in the 50's. that suggests to me that those programs and women's roles shifted outta necessity

Well...first off if you ask me WW2 had a mental affect on the world that I don't think will ever be properly gauged.

But some reasons as why it began was that the 50's was the first era of youth culture in America. Kids received attention and catering too that they didn't get in previous eras.