Meek's reputation or Drake's legacy.... Which took the bigger hit???

[bck145]

I'm really starting to think you rode the special bus.... You keep talking bout Drake don't care and it don't matter becuz of the bitches and money but when I pointed out that's all you talking bout this was your response

So I've learned in hip hop as long as bitches love your shit and you getting money and are popular fuck your legacy, skills as a MC, and fronting bout writing your shit becuz those hits aren't as bad as Twitter jokes about you as a person that'll eventually go away??? And niggas wonder why this era of music is as horrible as it is smh

Haha if that's what you took from all of that then you need to brush up on your reading skills

Nigga logoff and get your thoughts together to one dance playing in the background then come back and try to make sense

Haha it's funny that the guy who is trying every angle he can think of to discredit someone and failing at it everytime would have a response like that

Sorry guess I just don't care enough about how many bitches he fuckin or no dumb shit like that.... I'll leave that to ovo groupies like yourself.... How you gonna only talk about money and bitches then I say I've learned all you care about is money and bitches then you say I need reading skills if that's all I took from it only to go on and say I should take from this post that Drake got money and is fuckin bitches.... You a special kinda stupid but I'ma let you live lol

Reading is not strong with you huh or you just interpret shit the way you want huh? You would rather say he ain't a top 5 lyracist...no shit dumbass...he ain't a top 5 rapper regardless of ghostwriting or not so the bullshit you saying is worthless and you just trying to argue to argue...but bro be better at it

Please don't let me live...post something that doesn't sound stupid from your end for once in this thread....if not..go read a book or something

 

[twenty2]

Yeah to prove a point to your dumbass that no one outside of a small group care about the ghostwriting shit...the majority of what's popular will write the history books, not the ppl on all hip hop forums

Goes back to my original point...in 20 years Drake will be remembered as the biggest act during this time period....he won't be thought of as the best lyricist and even before the ghostwriting would not have been thought of that way...so the ghostwriting point is mute....having ghostwriters obviously hasn't brought him down from being a superstar...you sound foolish trying to say he can't be in a record book that he was never going to be in anyway

You should take from the post that he's fucking j lo and has money so why the fuck would he care what a bum like lord Jamar or djvlad might say on a couch....the same could be said for jayz, nas, and any other big time hip hop act

I'll start with this... You're absolutely right when you say nann one of them niggas give a fuck about us... Dope lyricists or not... So technically, I, or anyone else on this board has a dog in this fight.

But I would have to disagree with the claim that "popularity" is what writes the history books. If we go back in time from this day here...there are people who were popular as shit back in the day, let's say MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice, and when compared to someone like a Rakim or a Nas, they are NOT remembered or respected in the same light. Nowhere near it. No one gives a fuck about "pop culture" that's 20 years removed. That shit is just simply "what was hot then". It's rarely highly regarded or used as a litmus. Will Drake be able to pull that off? It remains to be seen. But "pop writing history" is a reach. At least when compared to the effect that TALENT has on history. Will they both make the history books? No doubt... But Hammer or Vanilla Ice ain't nowhere in the considerations of no Lifetime Achievement Awards or the likes.

And just to be clear... I'm not saying Drake ISN'T talented. I honestly don't know. Which is why I asked (and it has yet to be answered)...What exactly DOES he do? Like....seriously... Why should he be respected in any culture, hip hop, pop, or otherwise? Because everyone else that peeps always try to compare him to has brought SOMETHING to the table and contributed SOMETHING to the culture at SOME point in time or another.....OTHER than just some "good music"...

 

[bck145]

Yeah to prove a point to your dumbass that no one outside of a small group care about the ghostwriting shit...the majority of what's popular will write the history books, not the ppl on all hip hop forums

Goes back to my original point...in 20 years Drake will be remembered as the biggest act during this time period....he won't be thought of as the best lyricist and even before the ghostwriting would not have been thought of that way...so the ghostwriting point is mute....having ghostwriters obviously hasn't brought him down from being a superstar...you sound foolish trying to say he can't be in a record book that he was never going to be in anyway

You should take from the post that he's fucking j lo and has money so why the fuck would he care what a bum like lord Jamar or djvlad might say on a couch....the same could be said for jayz, nas, and any other big time hip hop act

I'll start with this... You're absolutely right when you say nann one of them niggas give a fuck about us... Dope lyricists or not... So technically, I, or anyone else on this board has a dog in this fight.

But I would have to disagree with the claim that "popularity" is what writes the history books. If we go back in time from this day here...there are people who were popular as shit back in the day, let's say MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice, and when compared to someone like a Rakim or a Nas, they are NOT remembered or respected in the same light. Nowhere near it. No one gives a fuck about "pop culture" that's 20 years removed. That shit is just simply "what was hot then". It's rarely highly regarded or used as a litmus. Will Drake be able to pull that off? It remains to be seen. But "pop writing history" is a reach. At least when compared to the effect that TALENT has on history. Will they both make the history books? No doubt... But Hammer or Vanilla Ice ain't nowhere in the considerations of no Lifetime Achievement Awards or the likes.

And just to be clear... I'm not saying Drake ISN'T talented. I honestly don't know. Which is why I asked (and it has yet to be answered)...What exactly DOES he do? Like....seriously... Why should he be respected in any culture, hip hop, pop, or otherwise? Because everyone else that peeps always try to compare him to has brought SOMETHING to the table and contributed SOMETHING to the culture at SOME point in time or another.....OTHER than just some "good music"...

I don't know if he's talented....but what's popular isn't always what's talented, I never listened to his music

Drake is never going to be in the books like a rakim...but outside of hip hop heads no one gives a fuck about Rakim...even casual fans do t care about the Rakims or black thoughts....but I also don't believe Drake wants to be them and that's why it doesn't matter what hip hop heads think about ghostwriting

But in 2030 when ppl say who was the biggest music star in 2016....Drake will be there

Even though his music isn't for me and I might hate it doesn't mean I have to shed a blind eye that he's a massive star and when this era of music is brought up...he'll be there with the Beyonces inside of those conversations

 

[GetoBoy]

So I've learned in hip hop as long as bitches love your shit and you getting money and are popular fuck your legacy, skills as a MC, and fronting bout writing your shit becuz those hits aren't as bad as Twitter jokes about you as a person that'll eventually go away??? And niggas wonder why this era of music is as horrible as it is smh

Haha if that's what you took from all of that then you need to brush up on your reading skills

Nigga that's all you making it about

Look at his sales

Look at how popular he is

Look at how much money he making

Look at how bitches love his shit

If you niggas are saying the whole Drake Kdot and Cole as the new era best MC'S was never a thing or niggas wasn't saying stuff like as a MC Drake was Jay and niggas like Cole/Kdot was like Nas y'all lying..... And if you think in 10 years nobody will be remembering this you are also lying especially if Drake still making music his pen will forever be a question and he could never be put in the MC category and if y'all think that's just gonna magically go away one day and ppl will just forget it you playing yourself if anything that shadow will get bigger the bigger he gets in the pop world

Your off on that one....drake,dot, and cole were thought next in the game...which is happening right now...no one said shit about the next MC'S

No one will care about the ghostwriting in 10 years...easy and dre are both legends in the rap world even though they don't or didn't write their own shit....all the ghostwriting shit will fall off and the music will be left

People need to stop pretending like people thought Drake was ever going to be some top 10 rapper...no one said that shit...on the same note...meek will never be top 10 either so that whole point is mute on both sides

So what do you think ppl are gonna say about Drake in 10 years that they not saying today??? They STILL gonna say he ain't write his shit you think ppl all of a sudden are not gonna say that about Drake???? You brought up easy and dre like ppl don't still say that about them too... He'll have the same legacy as them only difference is they never painted themselves as MCs meanwhile Drake did so it'll be worse

If you bring up NWA or dre...no one goes to oh but they didn't write the shit...they talk about the classic music they made

Drake doesn't have classics like they do but in 10 years one of drakes hits get played and no one is going to stop and say...oh but he didn't write this....he will be remembered as being the most popular artist during this timeframe

It's only in discussions about who is the best or comparing music when it will be brought up...but Drake and meek both were never going to be brought up with who were the best rappers anyway...regardless of ghostwriting or not neither has the classic material needed for that

If Dre claimed to be top.5 MC ppl would bring it up you keep missing that.... The reason Dre and Easy having ghost writers ain't a big deal becuz they never.... Wait for it.... claimed to be MC's nobody claimed they were MC's... Drake was pawned off as a MC and only after the ghostwriter stuff did it turn into he not a MC he just a great artist.... This will always be brought up for that reason and if you think ppl will one day just let it go you are sadly fooling yourself

You are aware of the definition of an MC right? Anyone can claim to be a top MC...shit his concerts sold out quickly so his MC skills seem to be on point

Drake was said to be the next big mainstream hip hop act with hits which he has been...no one who is deep in hip hop ever considered him to be the next nas lyrically or anything

Ppl have let the ghostwriting shit go already...I don't need to wait and I don't really care...views sold how many records? Again only hip hop heads give a shit...the mainstream radio fans don't give a shit and that far outweighs the hip hop heads

Man I don't even like the dude but ppl need to stop making up these weak arguements and pretend like anyone out of a niche group of ppl give a shit....just say you don't like him and leave it at that

Drake wanted and aimed to be seen as a great by that same niche crowd you talking about and his peers he will never be able to be that now..... You think he gonna care more about what Becky in Beverly hills thinks about him when his career is said and done or the hip hop community??? Swear y'all think all the nigga care about is money and sales and that's it no the nigga wanted to be great and was being called one of the best lyricist of the new school in the game now he's gotta fever live with being synonymous with a nigga that don't write his raps and if you think one day ppl gonna be like "we don't care he still a great MC" you tripping he'll never get a chance to get that back and for a nigga that was aiming for that that's a blow

You talk to Drake to know what be wants or cares about?

Because history doesn't say that...he never changed his style to be hard, never went super lyrical miracle, never stopped singing even when a lot of hip hop fans shitted on him for it

Go to a club and when a Drake song comes on....go up to a bitch you want to fuck and say "he didn't write this" and see if she gives a fuck or if she just wanna enjoy the music...it's only yall mother fuckers who gonna keep dwelling on it

So like I said you think he don't care about his legacy becuz bitches like his shit??? You keep telling yourself that.... Nigga asking me about pickup lines to Drake songs playing in the background if you have to go from claiming top 5 to that you done took a major hit

If you ain't in the rap game for the mother fuckin cash mane what is your mother fuckin purpose....still holds true

I'd imagine Drake would take money and pussy over what some dusty hip hop head thinks about him

But whatever...if you want to keep making up excuses for not liking him, next time just say you don't like his music and leave it at that

Please tell me what I should take from a response like this??? Foh lol

Yeah to prove a point to your dumbass that no one outside of a small group care about the ghostwriting shit...the majority of what's popular will write the history books, not the ppl on all hip hop forums

Goes back to my original point...in 20 years Drake will be remembered as the biggest act during this time period....he won't be thought of as the best lyricist and even before the ghostwriting would not have been thought of that way...so the ghostwriting point is mute....having ghostwriters obviously hasn't brought him down from being a superstar...you sound foolish trying to say he can't be in a record book that he was never going to be in anyway

You should take from the post that he's fucking j lo and has money so why the fuck would he care what a bum like lord Jamar or djvlad might say on a couch....the same could be said for jayz, nas, and any other big time hip hop act

How should this be interpreted??? He fuckin Jlo and getting money.... How is what I said you care about (bitches and money) any different then wtf you saying??? That's what your points have been.... Nobody background checks you dummies b4 letting you in??? This can't be life shit is like talking to a wall you clearly aren't the sharpest tool in the shed I'm off you smmfh

 

[bck145]

The point is he's successful doing what he does...he's putting out music that people enjoy....should he care what someone on YouTube says should he care? It goes back to the point where u said he wanted to fit in....I'm not so sure he does....he seems want to be in the jayz mold...not the jayz rapper mold..the jayz businessman mold...not the super hip hop culture type of guy and he's never come off that way

 

[twenty2]

Yeah to prove a point to your dumbass that no one outside of a small group care about the ghostwriting shit...the majority of what's popular will write the history books, not the ppl on all hip hop forums

Goes back to my original point...in 20 years Drake will be remembered as the biggest act during this time period....he won't be thought of as the best lyricist and even before the ghostwriting would not have been thought of that way...so the ghostwriting point is mute....having ghostwriters obviously hasn't brought him down from being a superstar...you sound foolish trying to say he can't be in a record book that he was never going to be in anyway

You should take from the post that he's fucking j lo and has money so why the fuck would he care what a bum like lord Jamar or djvlad might say on a couch....the same could be said for jayz, nas, and any other big time hip hop act

I'll start with this... You're absolutely right when you say nann one of them niggas give a fuck about us... Dope lyricists or not... So technically, I, or anyone else on this board has a dog in this fight.

But I would have to disagree with the claim that "popularity" is what writes the history books. If we go back in time from this day here...there are people who were popular as shit back in the day, let's say MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice, and when compared to someone like a Rakim or a Nas, they are NOT remembered or respected in the same light. Nowhere near it. No one gives a fuck about "pop culture" that's 20 years removed. That shit is just simply "what was hot then". It's rarely highly regarded or used as a litmus. Will Drake be able to pull that off? It remains to be seen. But "pop writing history" is a reach. At least when compared to the effect that TALENT has on history. Will they both make the history books? No doubt... But Hammer or Vanilla Ice ain't nowhere in the considerations of no Lifetime Achievement Awards or the likes.

And just to be clear... I'm not saying Drake ISN'T talented. I honestly don't know. Which is why I asked (and it has yet to be answered)...What exactly DOES he do? Like....seriously... Why should he be respected in any culture, hip hop, pop, or otherwise? Because everyone else that peeps always try to compare him to has brought SOMETHING to the table and contributed SOMETHING to the culture at SOME point in time or another.....OTHER than just some "good music"...

I don't know if he's talented....but what's popular isn't always what's talented, I never listened to his music

Drake is never going to be in the books like a rakim...but outside of hip hop heads no one gives a fuck about Rakim...even casual fans do t care about the Rakims or black thoughts....but I also don't believe Drake wants to be them and that's why it doesn't matter what hip hop heads think about ghostwriting

But in 2030 when ppl say who was the biggest music star in 2016....Drake will be there

Even though his music isn't for me and I might hate it doesn't mean I have to shed a blind eye that he's a massive star and when this era of music is brought up...he'll be there with the Beyonces inside of those conversations

Word. I can dig that response and I get what you sayin. You're basically in the same boat with me...Don't know much about the nigga.....and kinda don't care to.

No doubt, he will definitely be in the talks of the future...same way Hammer and Vanilla Ice are... But as far as the culture is concerned...his legacy is tarnished. Those who say that's not his aim are more than likely correct...but I wholeheartedly believe that at ONE point in time it most certainly was. Maybe he saw a way or eventually wanted to transcend that...but that desire WAS there. Might not be no more...but it was.

 

[blackrain]

In reality the hip hop culture took the biggest L. think about it.

Not at all

Ghostwriting is at the core of hip hop.

Man hell naw. Niggas woulda ran you outta hip hop in the 80s and 90s if they even got a hint of somebody else pennin your rhymes.

So the fact that for decades now rappers have been open about talking about writing raps for other rappers, yet nobody has been ran out the game for it means nothing to you?

Who?? Who are these rappers that have talked about ghostwriting for a top tier artist for years?

So you've never heard a rapper say they've written for other rappers before? Niggas have talked about ghost writing forever in rap. They don't say the name because it defeats the point of being a ghostwriter but you're playing dumb if you've never heard a rapper say they've penned something for another artist

 

[BackInWhite]

I really don't think either of them niggas lost anything

Other than Meek losing a rap battle

Other than that Drake fans are still drake fans

Meek fans are still meek fans

It's you fuck niggas that can't separate the 2 or their music from your personal feelings

A meek song come on and you niggas is like "I like drake eww"

That's lame as hell

 

[Elzo69Renaissance]

who s music would you miss more if they said they d never make music again?

 

[BackInWhite]

Neither

 

[P. Town]

Meek's reputation took the bigger hit cause he made himself look like a clown. He thought he could "street nigga" his way into bullying Drake and it didn't work that way.

Drake's legacy is safe. Whether hip-hop heads respect him or not he gone be on top for a while cause his reach is beyond just the rap crowd. Meek needed that W in this battle more than Drake did.

 

[Shizlansky]

Drake didn't care about being top 5

I don't care what he said because his actions said different

 

[Chi Snow]

In reality the hip hop culture took the biggest L. think about it.

Not at all

Ghostwriting is at the core of hip hop.

Man hell naw. Niggas woulda ran you outta hip hop in the 80s and 90s if they even got a hint of somebody else pennin your rhymes.

So the fact that for decades now rappers have been open about talking about writing raps for other rappers, yet nobody has been ran out the game for it means nothing to you?

Who?? Who are these rappers that have talked about ghostwriting for a top tier artist for years?

So you've never heard a rapper say they've written for other rappers before? Niggas have talked about ghost writing forever in rap. They don't say the name because it defeats the point of being a ghostwriter but you're playing dumb if you've never heard a rapper say they've penned something for another artist

So..........no examples?

 

[BackInWhite]

Drake didn't care about being top 5

I don't care what he said because his actions said different

Shut up

 

[DNB1]

IMO you have to ask yourself if you think Drake wrote the diss tracks. All his other shit don't really matter to me.

When it came to someone sending for him, did he write the bars?

IDK...

But if he did, he murked Meek, badly...and made money from it.

As far as his legacy...he makes music to entertain...but if it comes down to it, can he write them murky bars?

I'm gonna lean towards he actually wrote them diss tracks.

 

[Shizlansky]

Drake didn't care about being top 5

I don't care what he said because his actions said different

Shut up

 

[soul rattler]

Drake's legacy was headed for greatness being viewed as one of the top lyricist in the game being compared to the likes of Jay on the mic and ppl saying could end up being one of the greatest (no revisionist history he was being talked about as possibly going down as one of the greats on the mic if he kept up)

GTFOH only people saying that were YMCMB fans.

Nobody with a credible, unbiased opinion said that.

 

[blackrain]

In reality the hip hop culture took the biggest L. think about it.

Not at all

Ghostwriting is at the core of hip hop.

Man hell naw. Niggas woulda ran you outta hip hop in the 80s and 90s if they even got a hint of somebody else pennin your rhymes.

So the fact that for decades now rappers have been open about talking about writing raps for other rappers, yet nobody has been ran out the game for it means nothing to you?

Who?? Who are these rappers that have talked about ghostwriting for a top tier artist for years?

So you've never heard a rapper say they've written for other rappers before? Niggas have talked about ghost writing forever in rap. They don't say the name because it defeats the point of being a ghostwriter but you're playing dumb if you've never heard a rapper say they've penned something for another artist

So..........no examples?

Most recent example I've seen is Jadakiss saying he wrote for other rappers but he didn't really like doing it because it was hard for him to pretend to be someone else when writing...it's not hard to find rappers saying they've written for other rappers. Now name some rappers who've been ran out the game?

 

[Angeles1son85]

meek says he beat up drake for 5 mil nicki can be the ring girl lol
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPLr26oDi3o/

 

[R.D.]

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