Ma$e - The Oracle (Cam’ron Diss), Cam'ron responds with Dinner Time

[gemini86]

I dont remember the minute mark.. But Ma$e said that this is about a video.. And he kinda downplayed it.. It's like man after 20 years this video is where our issues are?.. I have an issue with that..

Ma$e mentions in the video that he wore Cam's clothes.. So a nigga that gave you clothes to wear.. As soon as you get on you charge him for a video?.. And expect him to let it go?.. I wish Angie would have plodded more on that..

If you my man.. And u held me down.. And I get on.. Ima make sure you straight.. That's what real niggaz do.. Yes you've grown.. But don't act like Cam is crazy for feeling the way he felt. He held you down and you had the power to change his life and you did it but not really. Charging that man for a video is a slap in the face in my opinion. If he did that video all of this wouldn't even be going on. Made said that he's grown so maybe he isn't the same person.. But growth doesnt negate what you've done in your past. You still have to deal with the Karma that comes along with what you've done. Outside of that I feel him.. This is a dope interview.. Many layers and no one is perfect.. But Ma$e needs to understand where Cam is coming from as it pertains to that video..

The money wouldn’t be coming out of Cams pocket. The label would’ve paid for it. Similar to the DJ Envy Noreaga story

 

[THIRDSUPREME]

I'm not gonna just bash Mase catalogue.

Lmao

"Mase catalogue"

Like we really discussing this?

I can't wait for Drag-on or Memphis Bleek to become relevant on the IC after a soundcloud freestyle

Drag on and bleek didnt go 4 times platinum and have number 1 hits

No way out was basically Mase album that puff stole.

Mo money mo problems was Mase song.

Lol @ thinking Puff egotistical ass wasn't planning on pushing himself out there, nah that was ALWAYS gonna be a "Puff Daddy" album

Mase had two songs on No Way Out. Two.

Stevie J: Ma$e came to me in the studio one day with this “I’m Comin’ Out” sample. He’s like,

“When you gonna use this right here? Either my album, Puff album or Big album?” So we laid the track first but nobody knew who was gonna get it. And then when Big came with the “B-I-G P-O-P-P-A!” What!? That was Big’s joint. Everybody felt that.

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Stop reaching to gas up a nigga that peaked during the Clinton administration before becoming a punchline in the culture. Niggas were born, grew up, lived full lives and died in the time since Mase was truly relevant.....but let him spit a couple bars over a Ennio Morricone sample for attention and suddenly ya'll prisoners of the moment, talking about what a masterpiece Harlem World was and generally doing ya'll damnedest to polish up his GOAT resume.

That small amount of work is greater than all of Cam shit combined in my opinion.

That warrants a Nigga Please. Harlem World over Come Home With Me AND Purple Haze yeah ok

Gotta hand it to him tho, this was good promotion for that new album if it's got this many people out the woodwork craving new Mase music in 2017.....

Bruh... Mase wrote all puffs verses on that shit.

And No way out was a banger.

Puff never sounded the same after Mase left.

Dip Set has always been and will always be hot ass juice. Get them and the purple city bird gang and the goony goo goos and hell rell and un kasa and then big ass throw backs thee fuck outta here.

 

[THIRDSUPREME]

I dont remember the minute mark.. But Ma$e said that this is about a video.. And he kinda downplayed it.. It's like man after 20 years this video is where our issues are?.. I have an issue with that..

Ma$e mentions in the video that he wore Cam's clothes.. So a nigga that gave you clothes to wear.. As soon as you get on you charge him for a video?.. And expect him to let it go?.. I wish Angie would have plodded more on that..

If you my man.. And u held me down.. And I get on.. Ima make sure you straight.. That's what real niggaz do.. Yes you've grown.. But don't act like Cam is crazy for feeling the way he felt. He held you down and you had the power to change his life and you did it but not really. Charging that man for a video is a slap in the face in my opinion. If he did that video all of this wouldn't even be going on. Made said that he's grown so maybe he isn't the same person.. But growth doesnt negate what you've done in your past. You still have to deal with the Karma that comes along with what you've done. Outside of that I feel him.. This is a dope interview.. Many layers and no one is perfect.. But Ma$e needs to understand where Cam is coming from as it pertains to that video..

The money wouldn’t be coming out of Cams pocket. The label would’ve paid for it. Similar to the DJ Envy Noreaga story

Exactly, that shit was in the budget. Pay Homage nigga and stop being a petty ass hatin ass nigga.

 

[THIRDSUPREME]

“Now they are hypmotitized wit hatred.”

-Lil Boosie-

 

[Elzo69Renaissance]

I dont remember the minute mark.. But Ma$e said that this is about a video.. And he kinda downplayed it.. It's like man after 20 years this video is where our issues are?.. I have an issue with that..

Ma$e mentions in the video that he wore Cam's clothes.. So a nigga that gave you clothes to wear.. As soon as you get on you charge him for a video?.. And expect him to let it go?.. I wish Angie would have plodded more on that..

If you my man.. And u held me down.. And I get on.. Ima make sure you straight.. That's what real niggaz do.. Yes you've grown.. But don't act like Cam is crazy for feeling the way he felt. He held you down and you had the power to change his life and you did it but not really. Charging that man for a video is a slap in the face in my opinion. If he did that video all of this wouldn't even be going on. Made said that he's grown so maybe he isn't the same person.. But growth doesnt negate what you've done in your past. You still have to deal with the Karma that comes along with what you've done. Outside of that I feel him.. This is a dope interview.. Many layers and no one is perfect.. But Ma$e needs to understand where Cam is coming from as it pertains to that video..

The money wouldn’t be coming out of Cams pocket. The label would’ve paid for it. Similar to the DJ Envy Noreaga story

Exactly, that shit was in the budget. Pay Homage nigga and stop being a petty ass hatin ass nigga.

yea but it aint like the manager hit him up....if Cam hit him up on some come thru type shit; it shouldnt have been a problem

 

[Elzo69Renaissance]

damn this Mase interview is dope as fuck...fam coming off real mature well spoken intelligent...he low key kept sonning Angie Martinez

 

[blacktux]

Whats wrong with some of yall ears... or are you just THAT biased?

That camron diss was absolute BOOTY....

Mase shit was absolute FLAMES.

Yall dudes talking about some engineering/quality shit sound like freeway "put on a beat"

 

[natural born sinners]

South niggas love cam because his lyrics are easy to understand. That looney booney ratatouille shit be having them jamming. They don’t like using their brain.

Look at TI. That nigga used to rap country as hell and was on the top of the game. Then he starting using what they feel as big words so he fell off to them.

They would argue all day that nas, 50 and jay is wack but then turn around and say Gucci and future are legends. It’s true man

Go back to previous threads and look at how south niggas judge rap beefs.

“So and so is more popular so they won.”

I know we have some smart southern brothers on here that think differently but they are a minority.

I still don't understand how Gucci mane is a successful rapper

I agree, but I understand exactly why. Akademiks was crossing lines n shyt by speakin on it but what he said was true. A huge chunk of my generation n below of Southerners are dumb as fuck!!

Idk if I feel comfortable labeling a whole group of people dumb, especially based on geography.

I just think the nigga make wack music lol

 

[natural born sinners]

dipset > g-unit

Iagree with this just based on my own preference.

Even tho i fucked with g unit heavy when they were droppin mixtapes left and right i can barely listen to it anymore. Gets old quick.

Dipset stays in rotation.

50, Banks, Buck and Game put out damn near classics for they debut albums back to back to back to back. Don't forget about that fire ass first Gunit album. Plus all them shits went platinum.

 

[natural born sinners]

Gunit revolutionized the mixtape game! Gunit had a way better run then dipset. I ain't seen niggas wearing dipset shirts n sneakers everywhere. Dipset was mostly a heavy NY movement, Gunit shit seemed worldwide

 

[gemini86]

South niggas love cam because his lyrics are easy to understand. That looney booney ratatouille shit be having them jamming. They don’t like using their brain.

Look at TI. That nigga used to rap country as hell and was on the top of the game. Then he starting using what they feel as big words so he fell off to them.

They would argue all day that nas, 50 and jay is wack but then turn around and say Gucci and future are legends. It’s true man

Go back to previous threads and look at how south niggas judge rap beefs.

“So and so is more popular so they won.”

I know we have some smart southern brothers on here that think differently but they are a minority.

I still don't understand how Gucci mane is a successful rapper

I agree, but I understand exactly why. Akademiks was crossing lines n shyt by speakin on it but what he said was true. A huge chunk of my generation n below of Southerners are dumb as fuck!!

Idk if I feel comfortable labeling a whole group of people dumb, especially based on geography.

I just think the nigga make wack music lol

Man when u put it like that it sounds bad. But look who was in the forefront. South niggas make a song with a hot beat and some adlibs and no lyrics and it would be labeled as dope

 

[natural born sinners]

I fucked w some of that southern shit though. TI, Jeezy, Luda and krit probably my favorite artist after k.dot n j.cole right now. But I get what u saying, alot of that other shit be super dumbed down musik

 

[EmM HoLLa.]

I dont remember the minute mark.. But Ma$e said that this is about a video.. And he kinda downplayed it.. It's like man after 20 years this video is where our issues are?.. I have an issue with that..

Ma$e mentions in the video that he wore Cam's clothes.. So a nigga that gave you clothes to wear.. As soon as you get on you charge him for a video?.. And expect him to let it go?.. I wish Angie would have plodded more on that..

If you my man.. And u held me down.. And I get on.. Ima make sure you straight.. That's what real niggaz do.. Yes you've grown.. But don't act like Cam is crazy for feeling the way he felt. He held you down and you had the power to change his life and you did it but not really. Charging that man for a video is a slap in the face in my opinion. If he did that video all of this wouldn't even be going on. Made said that he's grown so maybe he isn't the same person.. But growth doesnt negate what you've done in your past. You still have to deal with the Karma that comes along with what you've done. Outside of that I feel him.. This is a dope interview.. Many layers and no one is perfect.. But Ma$e needs to understand where Cam is coming from as it pertains to that video..

The money wouldn’t be coming out of Cams pocket. The label would’ve paid for it. Similar to the DJ Envy Noreaga story

Smh. Yall niggaz gotta learn the music business if you gonna be talkin like that.

When you have a deal the label opens up a budget for you to create your Album. Everything you do there's a budget associated with it. What people fail to realize is that your budget is recoupable.. Meaning whatever was spent comes out of the money they pay you quarterly or biannually. So yes the label pays up-front but Cam pays on the backend if his project is profitable. And he owes dough if it isn't.

History shows us he wasn't profitable Cuz he had to strong arm the label to get out of his deal and join the Roc.. Bit I digress..

Mase was wrong simple.

 

[bow to royalty]

I fucked w some of that southern shit though. TI, Jeezy, Luda and krit probably my favorite artist after k.dot n j.cole right now. But I get what u saying, alot of that other shit be super dumbed down musik

J Cole is from the South. That's the problem Y'all think South = GA. Y'all mean you don't like rapping Georgians under 30...but you say South. Pusha T, Malice, Pharell/Neptunes, Timbaland, Missy, Chris Brown, Trey Songz, and Skillz are some of the rappers/R&B artist from VA alone.

 

[Go figure]

Gunit revolutionized the mixtape game! Gunit had a way better run then dipset. I ain't seen niggas wearing dipset shirts n sneakers everywhere. Dipset was mostly a heavy NY movement, Gunit shit seemed worldwide

I respect all that g unit shit thats why i said personally, so not mad at anyone that disagrees.

But just like i was a huge eminem fan at the time, most of his shit aged horribly. Thats how i feel about a lot of g units material.

They all fell off right after their first album except 50. I cant even count game as g unit bc that went to shit quick. Shout out to the ghost unit mixtapes n g-unot shit tho. Classics.

Banks changed his whole fuckin voice after his album debut n he was my fav. Went to soundin like he got shanked in his rib n it got stuck there or somethin.

Dont get me started on tony yayo. I know a couple ppl that bought into the hype n copped his album. U just cant trust ppl like that ya know?

Dont think anybody would be hype for a g unit tour these days.

 

[dalyricalbandit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLcDEY_JMtA

Ma$e fed up never seen him so serious

 

[gemini86]

I fucked w some of that southern shit though. TI, Jeezy, Luda and krit probably my favorite artist after k.dot n j.cole right now. But I get what u saying, alot of that other shit be super dumbed down musik

J Cole is from the South. That's the problem Y'all think South = GA. Y'all mean you don't like rapping Georgians under 30...but you say South. Pusha T, Malice, Pharell/Neptunes, Timbaland, Missy, Chris Brown, Trey Songz, and Skillz are some of the rappers/R&B artist from VA alone.

Those are all dope artist. Why aren’t they in the forefront? Y’all rather push 21 savage and migos than the dope artist y’all have. See this is the issue I have with the south. It’s like you know you love stupid ignorant shit but then like to hide behind artist who you think are “smart and conscious.”

Y’all niggas tried to paint Kevin Gates as smart and that nigga wild retarded. Posting up inspirational quotes and have the nerve to post his picture. That’s the nigga y’all look up to?

As much as I think 3K is overrated, I wish artist from the south like him was leading the charge. Shit even Wayne. There’s no denying that the south runs the radio airwaves for hip hop. And y’all choose to play the dumb shit.

 

[blackgod813]

I fucked w some of that southern shit though. TI, Jeezy, Luda and krit probably my favorite artist after k.dot n j.cole right now. But I get what u saying, alot of that other shit be super dumbed down musik

J Cole is from the South. That's the problem Y'all think South = GA. Y'all mean you don't like rapping Georgians under 30...but you say South. Pusha T, Malice, Pharell/Neptunes, Timbaland, Missy, Chris Brown, Trey Songz, and Skillz are some of the rappers/R&B artist from VA alone.

Those are all dope artist. Why aren’t they in the forefront? Y’all rather push 21 savage and migos than the dope artist y’all have. See this is the issue I have with the south. It’s like you know you love stupid ignorant shit but then like to hide behind artist who you think are “smart and conscious.”

Y’all niggas tried to paint Kevin Gates as smart and that nigga wild retarded. Posting up inspirational quotes and have the nerve to post his picture. That’s the nigga y’all look up to?

As much as I think 3K is overrated, I wish artist from the south like him was leading the charge. Shit even Wayne. There’s no denying that the south runs the radio airwaves for hip hop. And y’all choose to play the dumb shit.

Whats with the hate for gates he does vodoo he's lyrical an real to himself..an this maybe childish but you would not say anything to his face..so opinionated

 

[gemini86]

I fucked w some of that southern shit though. TI, Jeezy, Luda and krit probably my favorite artist after k.dot n j.cole right now. But I get what u saying, alot of that other shit be super dumbed down musik

J Cole is from the South. That's the problem Y'all think South = GA. Y'all mean you don't like rapping Georgians under 30...but you say South. Pusha T, Malice, Pharell/Neptunes, Timbaland, Missy, Chris Brown, Trey Songz, and Skillz are some of the rappers/R&B artist from VA alone.

Those are all dope artist. Why aren’t they in the forefront? Y’all rather push 21 savage and migos than the dope artist y’all have. See this is the issue I have with the south. It’s like you know you love stupid ignorant shit but then like to hide behind artist who you think are “smart and conscious.”

Y’all niggas tried to paint Kevin Gates as smart and that nigga wild retarded. Posting up inspirational quotes and have the nerve to post his picture. That’s the nigga y’all look up to?

As much as I think 3K is overrated, I wish artist from the south like him was leading the charge. Shit even Wayne. There’s no denying that the south runs the radio airwaves for hip hop. And y’all choose to play the dumb shit.

Whats with the hate for gates he does vodoo he's lyrical an real to himself..an this maybe childish but you would not say anything to his face..so opinionated

Yes the fuck I would. I wouldn’t be disrespectful and walk up to him and call him trash or retarded. But if having a discussion on his music, I would say to him or in front of him.

 

[gemini86]

Same niggas that would say Eminem is not a legend would turn around and give you 313 reasons why Webbie is a legend