Ma$e - The Oracle (Cam’ron Diss), Cam'ron responds with Dinner Time

[natural born sinners]

Cam blocking Juelz n Wayne from dropping "can't feel my face" helped destroy Juelz career and as a fan is unforgivable, niggas was waiting on that shit to drop, just for cam to pull juelz out of it.

 

[bow to royalty]

Cam saying he never did Juelz dirty. Then saying it was 50/50. 50% Def Jam, 50% them. Turned to 25% Cam, 25% Jeulz. I know the music industry plays artists but 25%?

Haha, he was underneath Cam and got half the money that was given to Cam. Sounds like Juelz put up no money (so took no risk), and got 25% of the profits. I'm not familiar with how music industry deals work, but this doesn't sound bad. Your boss split his money with you 50/50?

 

[Go figure]

Niggas really think hov showed nas his "first tech" on tour w large professor.

Hol up family...beginning of the clip (35 secs) combat asks large professor about that specific line n large professors exact words were "jay spit facts"

 

[T. Sanford]

Off topic a little bit but who was the bigger artist from NY in 98? Mase or DMX?

I heard mase A LOT more than X in 98.

Bad boy was everywhere. Songs that played on the radio constantly was "been around the world, mo money, mo problems, hypnotize, missing you, all about the benjamins, sky is the limit, can't nobody hold me down, feel so good and etc.

I was young so in my mind, they were everywhere

I was just jumping off of the porch in 98' too. I remember one person having that Harlem World album. When Ruff Ryder anthem touched down, That song was everywhere. But when 400 Degrees came out, it had the south going crazy. We were ready to grow up lol

 

[buttuh_b]

Niggas really think hov showed nas his "first tech" on tour w large professor.

Hol up family...beginning of the clip (35 secs) combat asks large professor about that specific line n large professors exact words were "jay spit facts"

Was Large Professor holding Nas hand his entire life to know what types of guns he has and hasn't seen? Yes, he can verify Jay showed Nas a tech... he can't verify what type of guns Nas seen growing up in the largest housing projects in America. Use your brain

 

[aneed123]

its crazy everything cam said was taken as gospel for 20 years now folk wanna dissect mase diss. whats a lie bout cam leavin jim at rucker? true life did slap him correct? cam doin dirty buisness deals? cam sending huddy on dummy missions ? deep down it seems like cam know or dont have that same confidence/ arrogance he can beat mase bar for bar and its telling

Bruh..

Rucker- talked about to death and 10+ years ago

Tru Life- talked about to death and 10+ years ago

Huddy- dude got in a car accident, what's to diss? And 7 years ago

And it's not a dissection to say Cam doesn't have a sister. That's too big/blatant of a lie to give a pass on. Not like it's just an unconfirmed rumor.

Next beef 50 gets in lemme know how dope it is when he gets put on blast for getting shot 9 times. Or how strong the line is about him getting outshined on his "We are the Champions" verse when he was on Roc a Fella

then apply that same logic to every diss ever...

 

[buttuh_b]

its crazy everything cam said was taken as gospel for 20 years now folk wanna dissect mase diss. whats a lie bout cam leavin jim at rucker? true life did slap him correct? cam doin dirty buisness deals? cam sending huddy on dummy missions ? deep down it seems like cam know or dont have that same confidence/ arrogance he can beat mase bar for bar and its telling

Bruh..

Rucker- talked about to death and 10+ years ago

Tru Life- talked about to death and 10+ years ago

Huddy- dude got in a car accident, what's to diss? And 7 years ago

And it's not a dissection to say Cam doesn't have a sister. That's too big/blatant of a lie to give a pass on. Not like it's just an unconfirmed rumor.

Next beef 50 gets in lemme know how dope it is when he gets put on blast for getting shot 9 times. Or how strong the line is about him getting outshined on his "We are the Champions" verse when he was on Roc a Fella

then apply that same logic to every diss ever...

Most disses don't come from a rapper who was ducking off in the church for 20 years while real shit is going and finally decide to pop back up when shit settles down recanting a bunch of old shit people already heard about in the past.. if you can find some diss tracks like that go head and name them

 

[buttuh_b]

The main reason people going crazy is because Mase is the biggest rapper to ever come at Cam directly since 50 Cent

 

[aneed123]

The main reason people going crazy is because Mase is the biggest rapper to ever come at Cam directly since 50 Cent

it was a great diss with great lines and flow. and it was unexpected. its deserves the props its getting

 

[aneed123]

its crazy everything cam said was taken as gospel for 20 years now folk wanna dissect mase diss. whats a lie bout cam leavin jim at rucker? true life did slap him correct? cam doin dirty buisness deals? cam sending huddy on dummy missions ? deep down it seems like cam know or dont have that same confidence/ arrogance he can beat mase bar for bar and its telling

Bruh..

Rucker- talked about to death and 10+ years ago

Tru Life- talked about to death and 10+ years ago

Huddy- dude got in a car accident, what's to diss? And 7 years ago

And it's not a dissection to say Cam doesn't have a sister. That's too big/blatant of a lie to give a pass on. Not like it's just an unconfirmed rumor.

Next beef 50 gets in lemme know how dope it is when he gets put on blast for getting shot 9 times. Or how strong the line is about him getting outshined on his "We are the Champions" verse when he was on Roc a Fella

then apply that same logic to every diss ever...

Most disses don't come from a rapper who was ducking off in the church for 20 years while real shit is going and finally decide to pop back up when shit settles down recanting a bunch of old shit people already heard about in the past.. if you can find some diss tracks like that go head and name them

cam shoulda left dude alone it is what it is....

 

[Go figure]

Niggas really think hov showed nas his "first tech" on tour w large professor.

Hol up family...beginning of the clip (35 secs) combat asks large professor about that specific line n large professors exact words were "jay spit facts"

Was Large Professor holding Nas hand his entire life to know what types of guns he has and hasn't seen? Yes, he can verify Jay showed Nas a tech... he can't verify what type of guns Nas seen growing up in the largest housing projects in America. Use your brain

Youre right bro, ima take your word over the guy that personally know jay and nas and was there when it happened and mentioned it in multiple interviews

 

[buttuh_b]

Niggas really think hov showed nas his "first tech" on tour w large professor.

Hol up family...beginning of the clip (35 secs) combat asks large professor about that specific line n large professors exact words were "jay spit facts"

Was Large Professor holding Nas hand his entire life to know what types of guns he has and hasn't seen? Yes, he can verify Jay showed Nas a tech... he can't verify what type of guns Nas seen growing up in the largest housing projects in America. Use your brain

Youre right bro, ima take your word over the guy that personally know jay and nas and was there when it happened and mentioned it in multiple interviews

Did you not follow the logic of my post or are you being intentionally obtuse?

The line goes "I showed you your first tec on tour with large professor, then I heard your album about your tec on the dresser"

So it's a fact that Jay showed Nas a tec, but how would anyone other than Nas be able to confirm that it was the first tec he ever saw and the reason he referred to it on his album? When you come from one of the worst public housing in the city it's safe to assume he seen plenty of straps before. His best friend/DJ got gunned down and his brother was a shooter.

 

[buttuh_b]

The main reason people going crazy is because Mase is the biggest rapper to ever come at Cam directly since 50 Cent

it was a great diss with great lines and flow. and it was unexpected. its deserves the props its getting

Yea but you saying "bow to royalty" logic of this diss not being as effective as everyone making it seem due to the content being all old shit and the background of their whole history should be applied to every diss record don't make sense because it's not the same context.. Yes it's a good song but you gotta take Mase with a EXTRA grain of salt and of course people rooting for the underdog as always

 

[RickyRich]

Cam saying he never did Juelz dirty. Then saying it was 50/50. 50% Def Jam, 50% them. Turned to 25% Cam, 25% Jeulz. I know the music industry plays artists but 25%?

Haha, he was underneath Cam and got half the money that was given to Cam. Sounds like Juelz put up no money (so took no risk), and got 25% of the profits. I'm not familiar with how music industry deals work, but this doesn't sound bad. Your boss split his money with you 50/50?

listen even after juelz left cam he still didnt do shit wit his career .

 

[Go figure]

Niggas really think hov showed nas his "first tech" on tour w large professor.

Hol up family...beginning of the clip (35 secs) combat asks large professor about that specific line n large professors exact words were "jay spit facts"

Was Large Professor holding Nas hand his entire life to know what types of guns he has and hasn't seen? Yes, he can verify Jay showed Nas a tech... he can't verify what type of guns Nas seen growing up in the largest housing projects in America. Use your brain

Youre right bro, ima take your word over the guy that personally know jay and nas and was there when it happened and mentioned it in multiple interviews

Did you not follow the logic of my post or are you being intentionally obtuse?

The line goes "I showed you your first tec on tour with large professor, then I heard your album about your tec on the dresser"

So it's a fact that Jay showed Nas a tec, but how would anyone other than Nas be able to confirm that it was the first tec he ever saw and the reason he referred to it on his album? When you come from one of the worst public housing in the city it's safe to assume he seen plenty of straps before. His best friend/DJ got gunned down and his brother was a shooter.

LP referenced him n nas reaction to jay pullin out the tec when they thought their tour bus was gettin rushed during the incident jay rapped about.

If Jay said it, LP backed it, nas or none of the other guys LP mentioned being there during the incident never refuted it....

...only thing that would stop someone from believing it is their own feelings

This really affects u huh

 

[Tommy bilfiger]

Tru life sonned cam and the dipset worse

a youngin from his crew (19 y/o) stole off cam & gave him a pumpkin head deluxe, took his chain and tru life had the diplomat chain & made a diss track roastin them niggas( the dips is ova)

Harlem niggas talk a lot but they some lames who be gettin herbed

 

[buttuh_b]

Niggas really think hov showed nas his "first tech" on tour w large professor.

Hol up family...beginning of the clip (35 secs) combat asks large professor about that specific line n large professors exact words were "jay spit facts"

Was Large Professor holding Nas hand his entire life to know what types of guns he has and hasn't seen? Yes, he can verify Jay showed Nas a tech... he can't verify what type of guns Nas seen growing up in the largest housing projects in America. Use your brain

Youre right bro, ima take your word over the guy that personally know jay and nas and was there when it happened and mentioned it in multiple interviews

Did you not follow the logic of my post or are you being intentionally obtuse?

The line goes "I showed you your first tec on tour with large professor, then I heard your album about your tec on the dresser"

So it's a fact that Jay showed Nas a tec, but how would anyone other than Nas be able to confirm that it was the first tec he ever saw and the reason he referred to it on his album? When you come from one of the worst public housing in the city it's safe to assume he seen plenty of straps before. His best friend/DJ got gunned down and his brother was a shooter.

LP referenced him n nas reaction to jay pullin out the tec when they thought their tour bus was gettin rushed during the incident jay rapped about.

If Jay said it, LP backed it, nas or none of the other guys LP mentioned being there during the incident never refuted it....

...only thing that would stop someone from believing it is their own feelings

This really affects u huh

What did he specifically say?

 

[THE_R_]

IN '88 YOU WAS GETTING CHASED IN YOUR BUILDING. CALLIN MY CRIB & I AINT EVEN GIVE YOU MY NUMBER.

NAS MUST'VE BEEN 14/15 WHILE JAY WAS ALREADY 36 :lol:

STILL A DOPE LINE THO :+1:

 

[Go figure]

Niggas really think hov showed nas his "first tech" on tour w large professor.

Hol up family...beginning of the clip (35 secs) combat asks large professor about that specific line n large professors exact words were "jay spit facts"

Was Large Professor holding Nas hand his entire life to know what types of guns he has and hasn't seen? Yes, he can verify Jay showed Nas a tech... he can't verify what type of guns Nas seen growing up in the largest housing projects in America. Use your brain

Youre right bro, ima take your word over the guy that personally know jay and nas and was there when it happened and mentioned it in multiple interviews

Did you not follow the logic of my post or are you being intentionally obtuse?

The line goes "I showed you your first tec on tour with large professor, then I heard your album about your tec on the dresser"

So it's a fact that Jay showed Nas a tec, but how would anyone other than Nas be able to confirm that it was the first tec he ever saw and the reason he referred to it on his album? When you come from one of the worst public housing in the city it's safe to assume he seen plenty of straps before. His best friend/DJ got gunned down and his brother was a shooter.

LP referenced him n nas reaction to jay pullin out the tec when they thought their tour bus was gettin rushed during the incident jay rapped about.

If Jay said it, LP backed it, nas or none of the other guys LP mentioned being there during the incident never refuted it....

...only thing that would stop someone from believing it is their own feelings

This really affects u huh

What did he specifically say?

We both watched the same vid bruh...
http://ambrosiaforheads.com/2016/08/akinyele-nas-jay-z-beef-history-audio/

However, in revisiting those early ’90s days under the tutelage of Large Professor, Akinyele provided some interesting context surrounding the eventual 2000s battle between Nas and Jay Z. In 1991, Main Source and Jaz-O (a/k/a The Jaz) would co-headline a tour, promoting Breaking Atoms and Ya Don’t Stop, respectively. This was where the famed Jay Z takeover line “I showed you your first Tec, on tour with Large Professor / Then I heard your album about your Tec on your dresser” allegedly came to be—and Ak’ says it’s 100% true.

34:00 min

Akinyele spoke on this too.

 

[buttuh_b]

I listened to the Drink Champs interview a while back. Don't have headphones at work but from what I remember he didn't say anything about it being Nas first time seeing a tec. It's a fact Jay pulled out a tec. That's the furthest his knowledge extends from what I heard.