Lord Jamar on Where Em Ranks: Eminem is Better Than Me Lyrically

[GunTown]

I never got this if someone could explain to me just an honest sincere question

When Em makes serious/deep/emotional songs he raps/sings about exactly the same subject matter as African American rappers

Hailies Songs/Mockingbird/When I'm Gone and Daughters by Nas = parenting and loving your daughter

Rock Bottom/8 Mile Road/If I Had and My Block by 2pac = growing up in poverty working class inner city enviroment

Headlights and Dear Mama by 2pac = Loving your mother

Cleaning Out My Closet and Lil Homies by 2pac = Growing up in a broken single parent home

White America/We As Americans/Square Dance/Mosh and My Country by Nas = Politics, corrupt government, the system

Spacebound/Stronger Than I Was/Love You More/Superman and Goodbye ny Nas = Relationship issues, marriage heartache

I could go on and on but just a few examples. It just don't add up because Slim Shady type songs were never made to be related to they were made for entertainment purpose only while the serious/deep songs are the ones made to relate to

And songs like Mockingbird/Cleaning Out My Closet/When I'm Gone/Headlights etc are huge hits all over radio, MTV so even if u don't own an Em album u can't have not heard these songs which were top 10 hits on the chart

I'm no hypocrite and Em fans i know are no hypocrites i don't enjoy Nas music but hell yeah i can relate to Daughters and all the other Nas songs with same subject matter as Em's deep songs 100% can relate. It's just i don't enjoy hearing the songs musically but i can relate

@ Louis?

 

[soulbrother]

I can see someone saying he isn't top 10 but I think his list doesn't make sense.

He said 2 Chaniz >>> Em >>> Kanye, so 2Chainz is better than Kanye?

You must didn't hear the part where Lord Jamar said Kanye gas ghost writers....that automatically eliminates your name from any top 10 or top 50 list of emcees

 

[Stew]

Eminem is a great technical rapper. That is it. That's where the props stop. I'm black. Eminen has only one song out of thousands that I can remotely relate to and that's rock bottom. That's it. When I was 16 17. I used to listen to his music for shock value and comedic relief. But as I got older that shit got stale and it was far from funny.

If you black and you over the age of 26 and eminem is in your top five then you don't know shit about hip hop or the value of it. Lord jamar is right his message is spot on. Yall just don't like the messenger. Technically 2 chains is not better then eminem but I bet you black people enjoy his music more then eminem. Fuck that great white hope. Pharoe Monch is like 10x better then eminem yet I don't hear niggas singing his praises or top 5ing him.

That's about as ignorant as Lord jamars dumb ass

Eminem is a great technical rapper. That is it. That's where the props stop. I'm black. Eminen has only one song out of thousands that I can remotely relate to and that's rock bottom. That's it. When I was 16 17. I used to listen to his music for shock value and comedic relief. But as I got older that shit got stale and it was far from funny.

If you black and you over the age of 26 and eminem is in your top five then you don't know shit about hip hop or the value of it. Lord jamar is right his message is spot on. Yall just don't like the messenger. Technically 2 chains is not better then eminem but I bet you black people enjoy his music more then eminem. Fuck that great white hope. Pharoe Monch is like 10x better then eminem yet I don't hear niggas singing his praises or top 5ing him.

That shit sounds about as stupid as Lord jamar does smh

How you figure? When I say technical I give him props for bar structure, multis, cadence,etcetera.

But other than that what the fuck does he do? His songs are not relatable to most black people. What jamar is saying yeah Em technically better than a lot rappers but that's where it stops. And if you rating the music overall most people I know or listen to hip hop really don't fucks with his music.

You take it how you want. I'm calling it how a see it.

With that kind of logic you don't listen to other music from other countries or cultures to learn something from what the people are saying?

No Bob Marley? No British invasion music? Hell do you even relate to rap from other parts of the country?

If that's the case I feel bad but I suspect that's not really what's going on here

Aye dude I listen too more bob Marley then you. Second off the shit Robert Nesta Marley was speaking on can never be compared to that caucasoid eminem. Nigga I grew up in a urban an environment. I'm sorry if you were a token. That nigga music stopped having an effect after his second album.

Nigga I'm black.i don't relate to fucking my mom. Or killing my baby mother or fondiling minors.

If that's your boat

Happy Sailings nigga

Let me guess you sell crack, rock ice and fuck bad bitches?

I'm not even dignifying you token.

lol @ "token". Get roasted nigga.

 

[water ur seeds]

Lord Jamar contradicts himself ALOT around the 11.00 mark, when he was talking about Em being the best white MC... But then he talks about Vinnie Paz and RA, saying he messes with them, implying he can relate to their music he especially likes Vin's Islamic references and they meet his criteria and how they his boys blah, blah, blah and that they are super nice, BUT he says Em is the greatest white MC, that contradicts everything he just said previously :-? To be honnest I dont think Jamar understands what the fck he is saying...

Im not a fan the NEW Em, but the older Em is MAD nice on the mic... People saying you have to relate to Em in order to like like him is nonsense, hip hop is about storytelling and technical ability, making you laugh, make you think, telling you their life etc Em isnt just about shock value rap... He's saying Em isnt creative??? lmao come on...

Em used to rap about hard times, being broke not having a penny, things that people from every race can relate to... Then he has his more technical raps and his creative storytelling that rappers like EPMD, Fat Boys, Redman and Masta Ace had done for years...

Personally I have Vinnie Paz, Immortal Tech, Masta Ace, 2pac and G Rap as my top 5, but Em is in my top10... Its laughable the rappers he rates over Eminem...

 

[soulbrother]

Lord Jamar contradicts himself ALOT around the 11.00 mark, when he was talking about Em being the best white MC... But then he talks about Vinnie Paz and RA, saying he messes with them, implying he can relate to their music he especially likes Vin's Islamic references and they meet his criteria and how they his boys blah, blah, blah and that they are super nice, BUT he says Em is the greatest white MC, that contradicts everything he just said previously :-? To be honnest I dont think Jamar understands what the fck he is saying...

Im not a fan the NEW Em, but the older Em is MAD nice on the mic... People saying you have to relate to Em in order to like like him is nonsense, hip hop is about storytelling and technical ability, making you laugh, make you think, telling you their life etc Em isnt just about shock value rap... He's saying Em isnt creative??? lmao come on...

Em used to rap about hard times, being broke not having a penny, things that people from every race can relate to... Then he has his more technical raps and his creative storytelling that rappers like EPMD, Fat Boys, Redman and Masta Ace had done for years...

Personally I have Vinnie Paz, Immortal Tech, Masta Ace, 2pac and G Rap as my top 5, but Em is in my top10... Its laughable the rappers he rates over Eminem...

No offense...but you have a terrible top 5....EPMD and Fat Boys have never been technical emcees...and I really don't think you know whatthefuck you're trying to say...IMO

 

[water ur seeds]

Lord Jamar contradicts himself ALOT around the 11.00 mark, when he was talking about Em being the best white MC... But then he talks about Vinnie Paz and RA, saying he messes with them, implying he can relate to their music he especially likes Vin's Islamic references and they meet his criteria and how they his boys blah, blah, blah and that they are super nice, BUT he says Em is the greatest white MC, that contradicts everything he just said previously :-? To be honnest I dont think Jamar understands what the fck he is saying...

Im not a fan the NEW Em, but the older Em is MAD nice on the mic... People saying you have to relate to Em in order to like like him is nonsense, hip hop is about storytelling and technical ability, making you laugh, make you think, telling you their life etc Em isnt just about shock value rap... He's saying Em isnt creative??? lmao come on...

Em used to rap about hard times, being broke not having a penny, things that people from every race can relate to... Then he has his more technical raps and his creative storytelling that rappers like EPMD, Fat Boys, Redman and Masta Ace had done for years...

Personally I have Vinnie Paz, Immortal Tech, Masta Ace, 2pac and G Rap as my top 5, but Em is in my top10... Its laughable the rappers he rates over Eminem...

No offense...but you have a terrible top 5....EPMD and Fat Boys have never been technical emcees...and I really don't think you know whatthefuck you're trying to say...IMO

When did I say they were technical??? I said they told funny stories (like eminem) Fat Boys talked about breaking into a pizza shop with a shot gun because they where hungry, EPMD had their funny Jane songs and Redman had some crazy/funny songs, so whats wrong with Em doing that??? They are considered legends, I cant relate to braking into a pizza shop with a shotgun, but I enjoy listening to them rap about it... I dont think you understood what the fck I was trying to say... No offence...

Edit: Tell me your Top5... If you dont like Tech, Vinnie, Pac, G Rap or Ace I dread to think of your choice in hip hop... But going off your screen name I would like to think you listen to Pete Rock and CL Smooth...

 

[soulbrother]

Lord Jamar contradicts himself ALOT around the 11.00 mark, when he was talking about Em being the best white MC... But then he talks about Vinnie Paz and RA, saying he messes with them, implying he can relate to their music he especially likes Vin's Islamic references and they meet his criteria and how they his boys blah, blah, blah and that they are super nice, BUT he says Em is the greatest white MC, that contradicts everything he just said previously :-? To be honnest I dont think Jamar understands what the fck he is saying...

Im not a fan the NEW Em, but the older Em is MAD nice on the mic... People saying you have to relate to Em in order to like like him is nonsense, hip hop is about storytelling and technical ability, making you laugh, make you think, telling you their life etc Em isnt just about shock value rap... He's saying Em isnt creative??? lmao come on...

Em used to rap about hard times, being broke not having a penny, things that people from every race can relate to... Then he has his more technical raps and his creative storytelling that rappers like EPMD, Fat Boys, Redman and Masta Ace had done for years...

Personally I have Vinnie Paz, Immortal Tech, Masta Ace, 2pac and G Rap as my top 5, but Em is in my top10... Its laughable the rappers he rates over Eminem...

No offense...but you have a terrible top 5....EPMD and Fat Boys have never been technical emcees...and I really don't think you know whatthefuck you're trying to say...IMO

When did I say they were technical??? I said they told funny stories (like eminem) Fat Boys talked about breaking into a pizza shop with a shot gun because they where hungry, EPMD had their funny Jane songs and Redman had some crazy/funny songs, so whats wrong with Em doing that??? They are considered legends, I cant relate to braking into a pizza shop with a shotgun, but I enjoy listening to them rap about it... I dont think you understood what the fck I was trying to say... No offence...

Edit: Tell me your Top5... If you dont like Tech, Vinnie, Pac, G Rap or Ace I dread to think of your choice in hip hop... But going off your screen name I would like to think you listen to Pete Rock and CL Smooth...

My top 5:

Rakim

NAS

AZ

Scarface

Inspectah Deck

I just re-read your post...I stand corrected...but stand by my statement about your top 5..

 

[A$AP_A$TON]

Jamar so humble

 

[JerfyT]

Lord Jamar contradicts himself ALOT around the 11.00 mark, when he was talking about Em being the best white MC... But then he talks about Vinnie Paz and RA, saying he messes with them, implying he can relate to their music he especially likes Vin's Islamic references and they meet his criteria and how they his boys blah, blah, blah and that they are super nice, BUT he says Em is the greatest white MC, that contradicts everything he just said previously :-? To be honnest I dont think Jamar understands what the fck he is saying...

Im not a fan the NEW Em, but the older Em is MAD nice on the mic... People saying you have to relate to Em in order to like like him is nonsense, hip hop is about storytelling and technical ability, making you laugh, make you think, telling you their life etc Em isnt just about shock value rap... He's saying Em isnt creative??? lmao come on...

Em used to rap about hard times, being broke not having a penny, things that people from every race can relate to... Then he has his more technical raps and his creative storytelling that rappers like EPMD, Fat Boys, Redman and Masta Ace had done for years...

Personally I have Vinnie Paz, Immortal Tech, Masta Ace, 2pac and G Rap as my top 5, but Em is in my top10... Its laughable the rappers he rates over Eminem...

No offense...but you have a terrible top 5....EPMD and Fat Boys have never been technical emcees...and I really don't think you know whatthefuck you're trying to say...IMO

When did I say they were technical??? I said they told funny stories (like eminem) Fat Boys talked about breaking into a pizza shop with a shot gun because they where hungry, EPMD had their funny Jane songs and Redman had some crazy/funny songs, so whats wrong with Em doing that??? They are considered legends, I cant relate to braking into a pizza shop with a shotgun, but I enjoy listening to them rap about it... I dont think you understood what the fck I was trying to say... No offence...

Edit: Tell me your Top5... If you dont like Tech, Vinnie, Pac, G Rap or Ace I dread to think of your choice in hip hop... But going off your screen name I would like to think you listen to Pete Rock and CL Smooth...

My top 5:

Rakim

NAS

AZ

Scarface

Inspectah Deck

I just re-read your post...I stand corrected...but stand by my statement about your top 5..

Just curious, do you know what Rakim said about Eminem and his abilities?

 

[water ur seeds]

Lord Jamar contradicts himself ALOT around the 11.00 mark, when he was talking about Em being the best white MC... But then he talks about Vinnie Paz and RA, saying he messes with them, implying he can relate to their music he especially likes Vin's Islamic references and they meet his criteria and how they his boys blah, blah, blah and that they are super nice, BUT he says Em is the greatest white MC, that contradicts everything he just said previously :-? To be honnest I dont think Jamar understands what the fck he is saying...

Im not a fan the NEW Em, but the older Em is MAD nice on the mic... People saying you have to relate to Em in order to like like him is nonsense, hip hop is about storytelling and technical ability, making you laugh, make you think, telling you their life etc Em isnt just about shock value rap... He's saying Em isnt creative??? lmao come on...

Em used to rap about hard times, being broke not having a penny, things that people from every race can relate to... Then he has his more technical raps and his creative storytelling that rappers like EPMD, Fat Boys, Redman and Masta Ace had done for years...

Personally I have Vinnie Paz, Immortal Tech, Masta Ace, 2pac and G Rap as my top 5, but Em is in my top10... Its laughable the rappers he rates over Eminem...

No offense...but you have a terrible top 5....EPMD and Fat Boys have never been technical emcees...and I really don't think you know whatthefuck you're trying to say...IMO

When did I say they were technical??? I said they told funny stories (like eminem) Fat Boys talked about breaking into a pizza shop with a shot gun because they where hungry, EPMD had their funny Jane songs and Redman had some crazy/funny songs, so whats wrong with Em doing that??? They are considered legends, I cant relate to braking into a pizza shop with a shotgun, but I enjoy listening to them rap about it... I dont think you understood what the fck I was trying to say... No offence...

Edit: Tell me your Top5... If you dont like Tech, Vinnie, Pac, G Rap or Ace I dread to think of your choice in hip hop... But going off your screen name I would like to think you listen to Pete Rock and CL Smooth...

My top 5:

Rakim

NAS

AZ

Scarface

Inspectah Deck

I just re-read your post...I stand corrected...but stand by my statement about your top 5..

No problems... But I laugh that you have AZ and Deck in your top5 but you call mine terrible lol AZ and Deck are dope, but no way top5, but its all about opinions... IMO Deck aint the best in his group...

 

[mosincredible]

I wonder how much lord jamar pay in rent to sleep on vlad couch

He pays in interviews.

 

[GunTown]

But he don't talk about shit that's that mind expanding, not on the level of anyone in BN, especially Sadat.

Eminem raps about personal life experiences everyday regular struggles being a parent, growing up in a single parent home, growing up in poverty, divorce, family issues, relationships, growing up in a welfare home, over coming drug addiction, losing close friends, depression

Your average person issues if u don't understand that his strength was always emotion simple but effective topics your everyday regular person has been through combining hip-hop and pop then u will never get it

Em a type of Artist to make records dedicated to loving his daughter if u expecting him to rap about the stars, moons and pyramids u listening to the wrong rapper

Your average music listener don't wanna hear about the complex things Brand Nubian rap about

No 1 in Brand Nubian can craft a hook or have any melody yeah Brand Nubian can rap their ass of but there is more to a song than just that they can't do a hook to save their life

The beauty of an Eminem is everyone can relate to a song like Hailie's Song but his skill is making the song catchy as well as having a poweful message

That's what song writing is about