LMS Debate rd2. Does not paying child support warrant jail time

[CapitalB]

Not going to front, I've been in the shadows, periodically checking on this site for years.

These debates and attempts at genuine conversation, exchanging of ideas and sharpening ones thought process against others within the IC is a great idea.

Props to whomever came up with it and those actually looking to push it down the line as a regular thing.

so next debate are you team America or them other niggas?

Eventually, I'd like to put my name in the hat for some discourse.

Like I said, I check in periodically, but I should be on more often moving forward.

There seems to be some mini-factions here and there or alliances that I'm trying to observe.

I'd be foolish to just dive in and not become somewhat acclimated to the landscape, lol.



Short answer though, I'm team "Which Ever Side is Right"... Damn, sounded cooler in my head before I typed it out... I'll have to shorten that...

lol make this nigga a judge..

we'll argue for Trump on here if we have to! hahaha

 

[AZTG]

Its not that researching and putting articles is bad persay, its more like i personally aint about to click a link and read that research. Ima dude that loves to read but nah bruh. Not gon be able to do it.

 

[SolemnSauce]

First let me point out, failure to not pay job support lands you in jail, not prison. Second, goverment programs like, WIC, Housing, and Food Stamps do not trigger a contempt of court hearing that would mandate that a parent has to pay child support. That being the case, if a parent made 10,000 a year. The percentage of the wages per check would essentially total out to around 5 dollars a day.

Like the point a made earlier in my first post. This comes down to responsiblity and accountability. The scenario I posed in the first paragraph is based on one women, one child, one father. Up into that point that mother has food, shelter, and the essential nutrients that child needs to be healthy. All without a dollar out of the pocket of that child's mother. Is it unreasonable to ask for five dollars a day from the father. And that is if...if mind you. He makes only 10,000 dollars a day.

Ask yourself, if you had to pay 5 dollars a day to the government or go to jail. Would you pay it? Now the government is helping house, feed, and dress your child. And you don't want to give five dollars a day. So basically fuck someone that you owe money. Someone owe you money and you come to collect and they say fuck You. What are you about to do?

Nothin...? Whats to stop the next person from taking advantage of you. Especially if they are still utilizing the help you provided and all you are asking for from them is the total of 5 dollars a day? Seven days, two weeks, seven times 5 is 35, 35 times 2 is 70. So you cant spare 70 dollars every two weeks?

When I was in high school I made under 10,000 dollars. 70 dollars ever two weeks for me was my weed money set aside. And I was 16 and knew how to budget for my weed habit. As a man you can budget for your child? Im sorry fam, hold these bars. #bars

 

[CapitalB]

Its not that researching and putting articles is bad persay, its more like i personally aint about to click a link and read that research. Ima dude that loves to read but nah bruh. Not gon be able to do it.

right..

nigga wants us to read allllllllllll his bullshit..

BUT because HE KNOWS its some bullshit wants us TO THEN go read some article by a nigga getting paid TO BULLSHIT! lol

when does it end. haha

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Not going to front, I've been in the shadows, periodically checking on this site for years.

These debates and attempts at genuine conversation, exchanging of ideas and sharpening ones thought process against others within the IC is a great idea.

Props to whomever came up with it and those actually looking to push it down the line as a regular thing.

so next debate are you team America or them other niggas?

Eventually, I'd like to put my name in the hat for some discourse.

Like I said, I check in periodically, but I should be on more often moving forward.

There seems to be some mini-factions here and there or alliances that I'm trying to observe.

I'd be foolish to just dive in and not become somewhat acclimated to the landscape, lol.



Short answer though, I'm team "Which Ever Side is Right"... Damn, sounded cooler in my head before I typed it out... I'll have to shorten that...

umm...only two sides.

where u born is your side.

you MAKE your side right

 

[Paprika]

Its not that researching and putting articles is bad persay, its more like i personally aint about to click a link and read that research. Ima dude that loves to read but nah bruh. Not gon be able to do it.

right..

nigga wants us to read allllllllllll his bullshit..

BUT because HE KNOWS its some bullshit wants us TO THEN go read some article by a nigga getting paid TO BULLSHIT! lol

when does it end. haha

Lol

How are you not a comedian?

Fox got rid of Stacey and I hear they have an opening.

 

[TheNeoShell]

Not going to front, I've been in the shadows, periodically checking on this site for years.

These debates and attempts at genuine conversation, exchanging of ideas and sharpening ones thought process against others within the IC is a great idea.

Props to whomever came up with it and those actually looking to push it down the line as a regular thing.

so next debate are you team America or them other niggas?

Eventually, I'd like to put my name in the hat for some discourse.

Like I said, I check in periodically, but I should be on more often moving forward.

There seems to be some mini-factions here and there or alliances that I'm trying to observe.

I'd be foolish to just dive in and not become somewhat acclimated to the landscape, lol.



Short answer though, I'm team "Which Ever Side is Right"... Damn, sounded cooler in my head before I typed it out... I'll have to shorten that...

umm...only two sides.

where u born is your side.

you MAKE your side right

Fair enough, I was born in Trinidad. I was raised in the U.S. since I was 2 years old and am waiting to get my citizenship approval in a couple of months. So technically, I'm still with the non-U.S. team, right? lol

Two quick questions on the serious tip:

1. Are the topics and sides picked randomly?

2. Is the basis of the debate to present for the side of the issue you were given or the position you actually believe? For context, are participants defending positions as a lawyer would (their client being wrong or right is irrelevant) or are we only defending what we personally believe in?

 

[CapitalB]

Not going to front, I've been in the shadows, periodically checking on this site for years.

These debates and attempts at genuine conversation, exchanging of ideas and sharpening ones thought process against others within the IC is a great idea.

Props to whomever came up with it and those actually looking to push it down the line as a regular thing.

so next debate are you team America or them other niggas?

Eventually, I'd like to put my name in the hat for some discourse.

Like I said, I check in periodically, but I should be on more often moving forward.

There seems to be some mini-factions here and there or alliances that I'm trying to observe.

I'd be foolish to just dive in and not become somewhat acclimated to the landscape, lol.



Short answer though, I'm team "Which Ever Side is Right"... Damn, sounded cooler in my head before I typed it out... I'll have to shorten that...

umm...only two sides.

where u born is your side.

you MAKE your side right

Fair enough, I was born in Trinidad. I was raised in the U.S. since I was 2 years old and am waiting to get my citizenship approval in a couple of months. So technically, I'm still with the non-U.S. team, right? lol

Two quick questions on the serious tip:

1. Are the topics and sides picked randomly?

2. Is the basis of the debate to present for the side of the issue you were given or the position you actually believe? For context, are participants defending positions as a lawyer would (their client being wrong or right is irrelevant) or are we only defending what we personally believe in?

we're lawyers and u wit THEM NIGGAS homie..

so from this point on my posts towards u will have a hint of aggression..

only in debate threads tho..

cause i dont know u like that.. yet..

muthafucka.

 

[CapitalB]

Not going to front, I've been in the shadows, periodically checking on this site for years.

These debates and attempts at genuine conversation, exchanging of ideas and sharpening ones thought process against others within the IC is a great idea.

Props to whomever came up with it and those actually looking to push it down the line as a regular thing.

so next debate are you team America or them other niggas?

Eventually, I'd like to put my name in the hat for some discourse.

Like I said, I check in periodically, but I should be on more often moving forward.

There seems to be some mini-factions here and there or alliances that I'm trying to observe.

I'd be foolish to just dive in and not become somewhat acclimated to the landscape, lol.



Short answer though, I'm team "Which Ever Side is Right"... Damn, sounded cooler in my head before I typed it out... I'll have to shorten that...

umm...only two sides.

where u born is your side.

you MAKE your side right

Fair enough, I was born in Trinidad. I was raised in the U.S. since I was 2 years old and am waiting to get my citizenship approval in a couple of months. So technically, I'm still with the non-U.S. team, right? lol

Two quick questions on the serious tip:

1. Are the topics and sides picked randomly?

2. Is the basis of the debate to present for the side of the issue you were given or the position you actually believe? For context, are participants defending positions as a lawyer would (their client being wrong or right is irrelevant) or are we only defending what we personally believe in?

You'd be Team World then I think.

1. Sides are picked by judges.

2. We have to defend the positions we get regardless of our personal beliefs. So yes we would debate as a lawyer would.

The debates are fun man, it's very competitive, funny and informative. If you're not too busy join in for the next rounds.

yeh..

Fuck @Sion right now..

but im in total agreeance.

 

[Mastery]

Not going to front, I've been in the shadows, periodically checking on this site for years.

These debates and attempts at genuine conversation, exchanging of ideas and sharpening ones thought process against others within the IC is a great idea.

Props to whomever came up with it and those actually looking to push it down the line as a regular thing.

so next debate are you team America or them other niggas?

Eventually, I'd like to put my name in the hat for some discourse.

Like I said, I check in periodically, but I should be on more often moving forward.

There seems to be some mini-factions here and there or alliances that I'm trying to observe.

I'd be foolish to just dive in and not become somewhat acclimated to the landscape, lol.



Short answer though, I'm team "Which Ever Side is Right"... Damn, sounded cooler in my head before I typed it out... I'll have to shorten that...

umm...only two sides.

where u born is your side.

you MAKE your side right

Fair enough, I was born in Trinidad. I was raised in the U.S. since I was 2 years old and am waiting to get my citizenship approval in a couple of months. So technically, I'm still with the non-U.S. team, right? lol

Two quick questions on the serious tip:

1. Are the topics and sides picked randomly?

2. Is the basis of the debate to present for the side of the issue you were given or the position you actually believe? For context, are participants defending positions as a lawyer would (their client being wrong or right is irrelevant) or are we only defending what we personally believe in?

Topics are picked by the judges and the sides are random.

You defend whichever position you are assigned, regardless of personal beliefs.

 

[HundredEyes]

Sorry Im late but @SolemnSauce

 

[HundredEyes]

Failure to pay child support should NOT warrant jail time. Everyday life can happen to a person where they can't pay for child support certain months and the interest and more can cause payments to become even more difficult to make causing them to miss payments. A person sent to prison for child support can lose their job and means to pay child support. Not only that, even while a man is locked up, the payments and interest don't stop. A woman can even go as far as filing a contempt action through her lawyer to demand payments and also INCREASE payments.

Failure to pay child support is a crime punishable by time in prison. Need I say AGAIN the system is broken ? You have a system contributing to the destruction of black nuclear families through welfare, debt, crime, and yes child support, the only ones who benefit are private prison companies and government. Did you know that 70% of the people incarcerated for not paying child support make under $10,000 a year ? What happens if the parent is already in jail ? Child support can become a huge debt load, because it doesn't stop. Rehabilitation, getting these guys back on their feet employed while trying to make amends with a woman scorned (and hey maybe it was the man's fault) becomes increasingly difficult on top of trying to be there for the children (which I'll touch on in my next posts). Jailing someone over child support greatly impacts the long-term ability to provide making it harder to find employment with a criminal record. Even more difficult, families making under 10k a year don't often have proper legal representation. It's too easy and downright disrespectful to say "well wear a condom" anything can happen in a relationship with a woman, people fall out of love all the time. Kids are a beautiful thing and shouldn't be looked at as a burden, for a lot of good fathers their children are all they have and make every day worth living. You shouldn't be faced with jail time for falling behind in child support payments.

Now sure there are bad apples and people who utterly abuse the system but there are also good people who well and deserve it and will provide for their kids but do they need to be thrown in jail for missing payments ? Nope, but in this NY Times article (By Frances Robles and Shaila Dewan) here are the stories of many who felt the crushing force of the law and child support that ruined their lives.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/20/us/skip-child-support-go-to-jail-lose-job-repeat.html?_r=0

Here's excerpts from the article but I recommend the judges read it entirety:

"The problem begins with child support orders that, at the outset, can exceed parents’ ability to pay. When parents fall short, the authorities escalate collection efforts, withholding up to 65 percent of a paycheck, seizing bank deposits and tax refunds, suspending driver’s licenses and professional licenses, and then imposing jail time."

“Parents who are truly destitute go to jail over and over again for child support debt simply because they’re poor,” said Sarah Geraghty, a lawyer with the Southern Center for Human Rights, which filed a class-action lawsuit in Georgia on behalf of parents incarcerated without legal representation for failure to pay. “We see many cases in which the person is released, they’re given three months to pay a large amount of money, and then if they can’t do that they’re tossed right back in the county jail.”

"I am behind now, and they are threatening to suspend my driver’s license — and I’m a truck driver” - Jahmal Holmes

I leave this for the judges to look at and read. Not paying Child Support should NOT warrant jail time and does more damage long-term not just to the people involved, but to the community as well... thank you all I will patiently await my turn.

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We ending debates in the first post now? @SolemnSauce were cool but just throw the towel already and lets move on to the next debate...

You went in like:

 

[CapitalB]

Failure to pay child support should NOT warrant jail time. Everyday life can happen to a person where they can't pay for child support certain months and the interest and more can cause payments to become even more difficult to make causing them to miss payments. A person sent to prison for child support can lose their job and means to pay child support. Not only that, even while a man is locked up, the payments and interest don't stop. A woman can even go as far as filing a contempt action through her lawyer to demand payments and also INCREASE payments.

Failure to pay child support is a crime punishable by time in prison. Need I say AGAIN the system is broken ? You have a system contributing to the destruction of black nuclear families through welfare, debt, crime, and yes child support, the only ones who benefit are private prison companies and government. Did you know that 70% of the people incarcerated for not paying child support make under $10,000 a year ? What happens if the parent is already in jail ? Child support can become a huge debt load, because it doesn't stop. Rehabilitation, getting these guys back on their feet employed while trying to make amends with a woman scorned (and hey maybe it was the man's fault) becomes increasingly difficult on top of trying to be there for the children (which I'll touch on in my next posts). Jailing someone over child support greatly impacts the long-term ability to provide making it harder to find employment with a criminal record. Even more difficult, families making under 10k a year don't often have proper legal representation. It's too easy and downright disrespectful to say "well wear a condom" anything can happen in a relationship with a woman, people fall out of love all the time. Kids are a beautiful thing and shouldn't be looked at as a burden, for a lot of good fathers their children are all they have and make every day worth living. You shouldn't be faced with jail time for falling behind in child support payments.

Now sure there are bad apples and people who utterly abuse the system but there are also good people who well and deserve it and will provide for their kids but do they need to be thrown in jail for missing payments ? Nope, but in this NY Times article (By Frances Robles and Shaila Dewan) here are the stories of many who felt the crushing force of the law and child support that ruined their lives.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/20/us/skip-child-support-go-to-jail-lose-job-repeat.html?_r=0

Here's excerpts from the article but I recommend the judges read it entirety:

"The problem begins with child support orders that, at the outset, can exceed parents’ ability to pay. When parents fall short, the authorities escalate collection efforts, withholding up to 65 percent of a paycheck, seizing bank deposits and tax refunds, suspending driver’s licenses and professional licenses, and then imposing jail time."

“Parents who are truly destitute go to jail over and over again for child support debt simply because they’re poor,” said Sarah Geraghty, a lawyer with the Southern Center for Human Rights, which filed a class-action lawsuit in Georgia on behalf of parents incarcerated without legal representation for failure to pay. “We see many cases in which the person is released, they’re given three months to pay a large amount of money, and then if they can’t do that they’re tossed right back in the county jail.”

"I am behind now, and they are threatening to suspend my driver’s license — and I’m a truck driver” - Jahmal Holmes

I leave this for the judges to look at and read. Not paying Child Support should NOT warrant jail time and does more damage long-term not just to the people involved, but to the community as well... thank you all I will patiently await my turn.

...

We ending debates in the first post now? @SolemnSauce were cool but just throw the towel already and lets move on to the next debate...

You went in like:

on behalf of TeamUSA

 

[HundredEyes]

Failure to pay child support should NOT warrant jail time. Everyday life can happen to a person where they can't pay for child support certain months and the interest and more can cause payments to become even more difficult to make causing them to miss payments. A person sent to prison for child support can lose their job and means to pay child support. Not only that, even while a man is locked up, the payments and interest don't stop. A woman can even go as far as filing a contempt action through her lawyer to demand payments and also INCREASE payments.

Failure to pay child support is a crime punishable by time in prison. Need I say AGAIN the system is broken ? You have a system contributing to the destruction of black nuclear families through welfare, debt, crime, and yes child support, the only ones who benefit are private prison companies and government. Did you know that 70% of the people incarcerated for not paying child support make under $10,000 a year ? What happens if the parent is already in jail ? Child support can become a huge debt load, because it doesn't stop. Rehabilitation, getting these guys back on their feet employed while trying to make amends with a woman scorned (and hey maybe it was the man's fault) becomes increasingly difficult on top of trying to be there for the children (which I'll touch on in my next posts). Jailing someone over child support greatly impacts the long-term ability to provide making it harder to find employment with a criminal record. Even more difficult, families making under 10k a year don't often have proper legal representation. It's too easy and downright disrespectful to say "well wear a condom" anything can happen in a relationship with a woman, people fall out of love all the time. Kids are a beautiful thing and shouldn't be looked at as a burden, for a lot of good fathers their children are all they have and make every day worth living. You shouldn't be faced with jail time for falling behind in child support payments.

Now sure there are bad apples and people who utterly abuse the system but there are also good people who well and deserve it and will provide for their kids but do they need to be thrown in jail for missing payments ? Nope, but in this NY Times article (By Frances Robles and Shaila Dewan) here are the stories of many who felt the crushing force of the law and child support that ruined their lives.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/20/us/skip-child-support-go-to-jail-lose-job-repeat.html?_r=0

Here's excerpts from the article but I recommend the judges read it entirety:

"The problem begins with child support orders that, at the outset, can exceed parents’ ability to pay. When parents fall short, the authorities escalate collection efforts, withholding up to 65 percent of a paycheck, seizing bank deposits and tax refunds, suspending driver’s licenses and professional licenses, and then imposing jail time."

“Parents who are truly destitute go to jail over and over again for child support debt simply because they’re poor,” said Sarah Geraghty, a lawyer with the Southern Center for Human Rights, which filed a class-action lawsuit in Georgia on behalf of parents incarcerated without legal representation for failure to pay. “We see many cases in which the person is released, they’re given three months to pay a large amount of money, and then if they can’t do that they’re tossed right back in the county jail.”

"I am behind now, and they are threatening to suspend my driver’s license — and I’m a truck driver” - Jahmal Holmes

I leave this for the judges to look at and read. Not paying Child Support should NOT warrant jail time and does more damage long-term not just to the people involved, but to the community as well... thank you all I will patiently await my turn.

...

We ending debates in the first post now? @SolemnSauce were cool but just throw the towel already and lets move on to the next debate...

You went in like:

on behalf of TeamUSA

Pffffffff

Fuck a team murica

 

[CapitalB]

@2stepz_ahead this some bullshit fam..

outside niggas commin in givin talkin points addin to the doscussion..

that shit needs to count as a reply..

we cant ask Sion to delete the shit CAUAE HE'S THE MUTHAFUCKA debating.. he's gonna see it..

for all we know the nigga had no clue the shit was ruled unconstitutional in some courts now he bout to go googoogaagaa on google to use that shit as an argument..

 

[CapitalB]

niggas pulled the same shit in the zzombie vs younggun debate and niggas was warned..

u need to put ur foot down as the head of these debates..

 

[CapitalB]

u fuckin idiot REREAD the thread title..

RND 2 LMS DEBATE THREAD

this aint an open discussion goofy!!

read the fuckin openning post..

NO OUTSIDE COMMENTARY..

 

[not_osirus_jenkins]

And @2stepz_ahead ain't gonna do shit nor is @Sion.

 

[yellowtapesport]

This nigga tryna get banned lol

 

[Mastery]

@Sion @_Goldie_

Can you get rid of the fuckery? Lol