LMS Debate: gabi vs CeLLaR-DooR: should famine struck areas be fed genetically modified foods

[HundredEyes]

cell bout to take home the L

I'm way way way too hungover to post a decent response so looks like i'ma have to concede



Unless, @atribecalledgabi, 3 posts each. It's the weekend and truesay you took Friday off which messed me up a lil so we can open the floor for votes? Its up to you tho', since I'm the one who can't continue at the moment

Fam....

You better get ur azz back in there

 

[yellowtapesport]

This shit is hilarious..

 

[2stepz_ahead]

SMDH

@CeLLaR-DooR if you caught an L out there trynna get a tv....its cool.going back home to the 13inch black and white is ok....must be hard playing xbox on a black and white

 

[2stepz_ahead]

@Bussy_Getta @_Goldie_ @Copper @Arya Tsaddiq @AP21

OK ladies and Gentlemen...

we are at the end of the debates.....first to 3 wins

We are stopping this early and going to the judges.

I ask that this is judged off of the debate between the two and not gifs, lols or taking off early.

Could you also give your explanation for your choice.

Rahtid thought I was Against the whole day.

Ight

Science has evolved with man and civilisation and has made our life easier in pretty much every way. A lot of the food we eat and the liquids we intake are far from natural as it is. Speakin' as a person who grew up poor, with literally no food in the fridge many days, a cheap, nutritious food 'substitute' could only have benefited us. Most of the animals the regular person eats - not poor, average income - are injected with all sort of chemicals. Eggs, that most cheap of foods, are also mostly genetically modified, so there should be no problem with feedin' entirely GM food to those who most need it.

As a proud pragmatist, I say feed the poor and worry about the social ramifications after.

Ima test this out right quick on yall..

Ladies how y'all feel? Brothers yall alrite? Lemme see how y'all groove to this...

We are here to discuss GMOs and their place in solving hunger crises. Now my opponent would have you believe that this is a necessary step...desperate times call for desperate measures. But brothers and sisters, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Introducing an all encompassing "solution" such as GMOs to dire situations like Syria and the Sudan sounds good in the moment. "But no one has died from it" they say. "A lot of what we eat is already full of chemicals," says my opponent. But desperation breeds irrationality. It causes people to become shortsighted and settle for instant gratification, future be damned! Because we need to fix it now!

But brothers and sisters, the future matters. To illustrate my point, I ask that you take a walk down memory lane with me to the year 1993. Violent crime was at an all time high, gang violence and drug abuse ravaged the inner cities...it was a terrible time. The people wanted, no NEEDED a change. In came the 1994 crime bill to "fix" that problem. It sounded great in the moment. But what were the lasting effects? Mass incarceration for black people, high unemployment, etc. which we are still trying to recover from. Is that a risk we should be willing to take with already disadvantaged people? Over 20 years later we still side eye Hillary Clinton for the destruction she, I'm sure with the best of intentions, caused the black community.

Brothers and sisters, the truth of the matter is that many of the long term effects are unknown. We simply do not know what damage we could be causing these regions. Introducing these unknowns to entire populations of people is not only unsafe, it is irresponsible and unethical.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Ima test this out right quick on yall..

Ladies how y'all feel? Brothers yall alrite? Lemme see how y'all groove to this...

We are here to discuss GMOs and their place in solving hunger crises. Now my opponent would have you believe that this is a necessary step...desperate times call for desperate measures. But brothers and sisters, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Introducing an all encompassing "solution" such as GMOs to dire situations like Syria and the Sudan sounds good in the moment. "But no one has died from it" they say. "A lot of what we eat is already full of chemicals," says my opponent. But desperation breeds irrationality. It causes people to become shortsighted and settle for instant gratification, future be damned! Because we need to fix it now!

But brothers and sisters, the future matters. To illustrate my point, I ask that you take a walk down memory lane with me to the year 1993. Violent crime was at an all time high, gang violence and drug abuse ravaged the inner cities...it was a terrible time. The people wanted, no NEEDED a change. In came the 1994 crime bill to "fix" that problem. It sounded great in the moment. But what were the lasting effects? Mass incarceration for black people, high unemployment, etc. which we are still trying to recover from. Is that a risk we should be willing to take with already disadvantaged people? Over 20 years later we still side eye Hillary Clinton for the destruction she, I'm sure with the best of intentions, caused the black community.

Brothers and sisters, the truth of the matter is that many of the long term effects are unknown. We simply do not know what damage we could be causing these regions. Introducing these unknowns to entire populations of people is not only unsafe, it is irresponsible and unethical.

You're right in your sayin' that the long term effects are not yet known to be negligible. Damn right. But that's potential pain and starvation is killin' many millions of people right now.

Agriculture hasn't been a staple of civilisation for a very long time. Even removin' the argument for the poor, it's only a matter of time before most of the food we eat is entirely GM. How much of the food you consume is 'natural'?

We allow science into our bodies without even thinkin' in many other instances. Pills, booze, bottled water. If its good enough for us, who can afford to eat more natural foods, why shouldn't GM foods be good enough for the poor who can't?

You're right in your sayin' that the long term effects are not yet known to be negligible. Damn right. But that's potential pain and starvation is killin' many millions of people right now.

Agriculture hasn't been a staple of civilisation for a very long time. Even removin' the argument for the poor, it's only a matter of time before most of the food we eat is entirely GM. How much of the food you consume is 'natural'?

We allow science into our bodies without even thinkin' in many other instances. Pills, booze, bottled water. If its good enough for us, who can afford to eat more natural foods, why shouldn't GM foods be good enough for the poor who can't?

Brothers and sisters, we would be remiss if we did not define what a GMO is. A genetically modified organism is one that has had its DNA altered by having the DNA of another organism implanted into it. The foreign DNA can come from plants, animals or even viruses and bacteria.

Now again, being able to make a bunch of crops to feed people sounds good doesn't it? But there is more to the story. GMOs are actually banned in over 20 countries and heavily restricted in more than that, including my opponent's home country of the UK. In my home country of the U.S., GMOs are not banned, however, there is an ongoing fight to label such foods.

My brothers and sisters, do you not see the irony in my opponent telling you that GMOs are the way to go for the poor and hungry with no choice, when the majority of first world countries would choose NOT to consume them?

Yes, "we allow science into our bodies"...but the caveat here is the consent. If I drink alcohol or take prescription drugs, I'm doing so by choice. By the power vested in me by my American forefathers, I have the FREEDOM to allow what I want into my body.

We would not be giving these people that same choice. What we would be doing is taking advantage of a minority of people and using them as test subjects in our science experiments. If feeding them GMOs ends up causing them long term harm, then it'll be "oh well we tried...they're disadvantaged so who cares, right? We made that sacrifice for science and we'll do better next time."

Now where have I heard this logic before? Oh yes......in the Tuskegee experiments.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

You're right in your sayin' that the long term effects are not yet known to be negligible. Damn right. But that's potential pain and starvation is killin' many millions of people right now.

Agriculture hasn't been a staple of civilisation for a very long time. Even removin' the argument for the poor, it's only a matter of time before most of the food we eat is entirely GM. How much of the food you consume is 'natural'?

We allow science into our bodies without even thinkin' in many other instances. Pills, booze, bottled water. If its good enough for us, who can afford to eat more natural foods, why shouldn't GM foods be good enough for the poor who can't?

Now again, being able to make a bunch of crops to feed people sounds good doesn't it? But there is more to the story. GMOs are actually banned in over 20 countries and heavily restricted in more than that, including my opponent's home country of the UK. In my home country of the U.S., GMOs are not banned, however, there is an ongoing fight to label such foods.

My brothers and sisters, do you not see the irony in my opponent telling you that GMOs are the way to go for the poor and hungry with no choice, when the majority of first world countries would choose NOT to consume them?

Yes, "we allow science into our bodies"...but the caveat here is the consent. If I drink alcohol or take prescription drugs, I'm doing so by choice. By the power vested in me by my American forefathers, I have the FREEDOM to allow what I want into my body.

We would not be giving these people that same choice. What we would be doing is taking advantage of a minority of people and using them as test subjects in our science experiments. If feeding them GMOs ends up causing them long term harm, then it'll be "oh well we tried...they're disadvantaged so who cares, right? We made that sacrifice for science and we'll do better next time."

Now where have I heard this logic before? Oh yes......in the Tuskegee experiments.

'Heavily restricted' is an almost egregious over simplification of the rules we have on GMOs in the UK. Near enough every animal is fed entirely GMOs, so they are next to impossible to avoid unless you buy organic. Most people can't afford to do so, so most UK residents are already eatin' GMOs everyday. The difference between eatin' a GMO and eatin' an animal fed entirely GMOs is emotional, not rational.

Once more, humans intake foreign bacteria on a regular basis. You can say you take prescription drugs by choice, but is it really a choice if you're sick? Is it a choice if the drugs are keepin' you alive? Is there really a difference between takin' a scientifically created cure to survive and eatin' a scientifically created food to survive? Again, the argument is visceral and not rational.

In what way is feedin' the famished foods we eat on a daily basis 'taking advantage' of the poor?

GMO foods can be more nutritious, more quickly developed and are much more resistant to disease than non GMOs. They are also more resistant to pests, so harmful pesticides are not an issue with them. They remain edible for longer than non GMOs and can be transported with a much lower risk of rottin' and require much less unnatural chemicals to keep them sanitary. They are also more immune to extreme weather, so those in countries with tumultuous conditions will also benefit

We can largely put an end to starvation and are choosin' not to because of unsubstantiated health risks and the concerns of wealthy countries who, while mostly eatin' GMOs themselves, are more concerned with the social implications than the millions sufferin'

'Heavily restricted' is an almost egregious over simplification of the rules we have on GMOs in the UK. Near enough every animal is fed entirely GMOs, so they are next to impossible to avoid unless you buy organic. Most people can't afford to do so, so most UK residents are already eatin' GMOs everyday. The difference between eatin' a GMO and eatin' an animal fed entirely GMOs is emotional, not rational.

Once more, humans intake foreign bacteria on a regular basis. You can say you take prescription drugs by choice, but is it really a choice if you're sick? Is it a choice if the drugs are keepin' you alive? Is there really a difference between takin' a scientifically created cure to survive and eatin' a scientifically created food to survive? Again, the argument is visceral and not rational.

In what way is feedin' the famished foods we eat on a daily basis 'taking advantage' of the poor?

GMO foods can be more nutritious, more quickly developed and are much more resistant to disease than non GMOs. They are also more resistant to pests, so harmful pesticides are not an issue with them. They remain edible for longer than non GMOs and can be transported with a much lower risk of rottin' and require much less unnatural chemicals to keep them sanitary. They are also more immune to extreme weather, so those in countries with tumultuous conditions will also benefit

We can largely put an end to starvation and are choosin' not to because of unsubstantiated health risks and the concerns of wealthy countries who, while mostly eatin' GMOs themselves, are more concerned with the social implications than the millions sufferin'

Brothers and sisters, in my last argument I spoke about freedom and choice. What my opponent fails to realize is that, in his very next reply, he has made my argument. My opponent asked is it a choice to take prescription meds if they are what's keeping you alive. The answer is yes...because people with cancer and other chronic, painful diseases opt out of medical treatment for more holistic approaches all the time. It has been said that almost 80% of chronic illnesses can be reversed by a natural, healthy diet.

If that is the case, then it should be of note that the corporations leading the charge of expanding the reach of GMOs does not include farmers, it does not include doctors or other health professionals. The charge is being led by large biotech companies, the main one being....*drumroll*......MONSANTO. A company with a shady history of destroying the planet.

The same Monsanto that created Agent Orange used in the Vietnam War. The same Monsanto that makes pesticides and herbicides (Agent Orange is an herbicide...go figure) that are put on crops...the same herbicides and pesticides that make it more difficult for bees to pollinate. Bees are now endangered btw. The same Monsanto that was acquired by Bayer...the same Bayer that in the 1980s had a vaccine that was tainted with HIV that they took off the market, turned around and dumped it in Europe and Latin America because they didn't want to lose their profit. That information was not made public until the mid 2000s.

Brothers and sisters, haven't I mentioned something before about unknown long term effects and why they are dangerous and irresponsible to introduce on large populations of people? Haven't I mentioned the road to hell being paved with good intentions? If Bayer can hide that they willingly gave people HIV infected products for 25 years, what are they doing now with food supposed to be going to the hungry? This is who my opponent trusts with the health and safety of millions of lives - people that create the sickness then sell you the cure. Seems my opponent has been eating up what they've been feeding him.

 

[yellowtapesport]

Like watching a good ass fight that ends in a LOW-BLOW...

to the scorecards...

 

[yellowtapesport]

Just my two cents...I'm still captain of this ship, dammit!!!

But I don't know a single competition where one side just, in the middle of competing, says, 'I'm done' and walks away VICTORIOUS...

SHIT JUST DON'T HAPPEN

Cellar the homie, but he on some younggun shit...and that shit some BULLSHIT!

Not to throw you under the bus @mryounggun but that goes to show my unbiased opinion....

 

[CeLLaR-DooR]

Just my two cents...I'm still captain of this ship, dammit!!!

But I don't know a single competition where one side just, in the middle of competing, says, 'I'm done' and walks away VICTORIOUS...

SHIT JUST DON'T HAPPEN

Cellar the homie, but he on some younggun shit...and that shit some BULLSHIT!

Not to throw you under the bus @mryounggun but that goes to show my unbiased opinion....

Lol ey King come on man

I asked Gab if she wanted to put it to the floor then boss 2Steps took matters into his own hands

 

[HundredEyes]

Smdh Cella...

 

[atribecalledgabi]

Just my two cents...I'm still captain of this ship, dammit!!!

But I don't know a single competition where one side just, in the middle of competing, says, 'I'm done' and walks away VICTORIOUS...

SHIT JUST DON'T HAPPEN

Cellar the homie, but he on some younggun shit...and that shit some BULLSHIT!

Not to throw you under the bus @mryounggun but that goes to show my unbiased opinion....

From Captain to captain, to be fair, there's not much more Cellar needed to say, Gabi was using straw man arguments, red herrings and ad hominems. She was likely going to continue with that in her future responses. She didn't answer the question mostly just deflected and went for appeals to emotion - the question was if famine struck areas should be fed GMO foods like the rest of the world is, Gabi completely dodged the question. A lot of shit had nothing to do with anything.

But hey fam no matter the outcome it's a pleasure to compete with your team, a dayum shame you got beat by one of my lieutenants. Felt a boss should have faced a boss but better luck next time. Good luck fam.

 

[atribecalledgabi]

cell bout to take home the L

I'm way way way too hungover to post a decent response so looks like i'ma have to concede

Unless, @atribecalledgabi, 3 posts each. It's the weekend and truesay you took Friday off which messed me up a lil so we can open the floor for votes? Its up to you tho', since I'm the one who can't continue at the moment

Let the judges vote since it's 3 for 3. Gabi ain't even answer the dayum question LOLOLOLOL

It's 9am on a Sunday morning can I be sleep tho?!?!!

 

[mryounggun]

I got mad shit to say about this got damn debate. But the real nigga in me dictates that I keep it to myself until the judges have spoken.

So again...let's speed this shit along.

 

[NeighborhoodNomad.]

Wait a minute, hold up...

This nigga quit fighting in the middle of the fight and we still judging?! Nah...

If a nigga starts getting his ass whopped in the 7th round and then says "Stop swinging on me, I'm done. Let's see what the judges think" - The nigga lost. The nigga that quit is always the loser (unless it's a job).

A forfeit means the other team wins ALWAYS.

Gabi was on top of this nigga, pummeling this nigga when all of a sudden you hear "Alright, alright, alright, stop, get this bitch off of me". That's a white flag.

The GiftofGab for the win! Shutting shit down in 3 post!

 

[CapitalB]

Wait a minute, hold up...

This nigga quit fighting in the middle of the fight and we still judging?! Nah...

If a nigga starts getting his ass whopped in the 7th round and then says "Stop swinging on me, I'm done. Let's see what the judges think" - The nigga lost. The nigga that quit is always the loser (unless it's a job).

A forfeit means the other team wins ALWAYS.

Gabi was on top of this nigga, pummeling this nigga when all of a sudden you hear "Alright, alright, alright, stop, get this bitch off of me". That's a white flag.

The GiftofGab for the win! Shutting shit down in 3 post!

im dyin!!! hahahaahhaha

its too early for this shit!! :joy: :joy:

 

[CapitalB]

i mean i know we team USA but..

THIS. IS. SPARTA!!!!

nigga even our womens will give u that work!!!!

 

[NeighborhoodNomad.]

A message for EVERYBODY on team US

Let's set this straight right now gotdammit.

Some of us may throw up the Blue flag.

Some of us may throw up the Red flag.

But none of US will ever throw the white flag! Ever.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

A message for EVERYBODY on team US

Let's set this straight right now gotdammit.

Some of us may throw up the Blue flag.

Some of us may throw up the Red flag.

But none of US will ever throw the white flag! Ever.

this some goat shit......

 

[CeLLaR-DooR]

I stopped because I wouldn't have been able to respond properly and this shit is draggin'. I was consistent from the jump, then there was a break and now it's Sunday. Imo it's fair to go to votes coz I wasn't the one who took a day off and it's the weekend man niggas got shit to do.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

I got mad shit to say about this got damn debate. But the real nigga in me dictates that I keep it to myself until the judges have spoken.

So again...let's speed this shit along.

i blame you for this shit....

got niggas tapping out after three rounds an want it to go to the judges...

you done started the ....."enough ether for you now go" shit around here....

this came from your debate