Let's say you were born BEFORE year 1 AD

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THE BOOK OF ENOCH

XXIII. The Fire that deals with the Luminaries of Heaven.

1. From thence I went to another place to the west of the ends of the earth. 2. And I saw a ⌈⌈burning⌉⌉ fire which ran without resting, and paused not from its course day or night but (ran) regularly. 3. And I asked saying: 'What is this which rests not?' 4. Then Raguel, one of the holy angels who was with me, answered me ⌈⌈and said unto me⌉⌉: 'This course ⌈of fire⌉ ⌈⌈which thou hast seen⌉⌉ is the fire in the west which †persecutes† all the luminaries of heaven.'

 

[waterproof]

So Judah 7 like the Old Testament, Book of Enoch and The Master Teacher said, We will go to Sheol All Saints and Sinners as our resting place until the TRUMPET BLOWS and we all raise and will be judge, and some will be thrown in that fire pit

So to all my Hebrew Man, Women and Child in those who believe in YAHUWAH, YAHUSHUA and will inter the House of Ysrael through Ysrael. Be strong in these wicked days, study the father words and search those books that was taken out the bible and love and follow the father laws.

Because even the Elect will be deceived by the wicked, Shalom

 

[beenwize]

waterproof none of those books contained teachings to the ancient world about life on earth determining a eternity in heaven or hell... u can pull out as many books as u like but i would like for u to show me anything out of the old testament or other ancient biblical scripture teaching the ancient world about this modern day christian concept. PEACE

 

[waterproof]

waterproof none of those books contained teachings to the ancient world about life on earth determining a eternity in heaven or hell... u can pull out as many books as u like but i would like for u to show me anything out of the old testament or other ancient biblical scripture teaching the ancient world about this modern day christian concept. PEACE

SHUT UP AND GET SOME KNOWLEDGE I JUST SHUT YOU DOWN like i always done by using scripture. Just like when you came as Judah7 with your lies it was my duty to expose you as a fake, and i will continue to destroy your lies.

and in case you miss it the first time.

@ JUDAH7

STUDY AND SHOW YOURSELF APPROVE BOY!!!!!!!!

First of all since you like to be all Technical if you would of researched more and read the scriptures you would of got your answer.

1) Man was not meant for the place that was a pit of fire that the gentiles and heathens called hell but in Hebrew it was called "Gehenna", the original hebrew word for it was replaced in the scriptures by GREEKS , THERE was a place called Sheol where the Hebrews and Old testament knew of when you die you go there and be until your time has come.

Isaiah 29 :4 And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust.

1 Samuel 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee.

28:9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?

28:10 And Saul sware to her by YHWH, saying, As YHWH liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.

28:11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.

28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.

28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw Elohim ascending out of the earth.

28:14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.

28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and Elohim is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.

28:16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing YHWH is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?

so you see Samuel was summon from Sheol the place where the dead go, it doesnt matter if you a Saint or a Killer you going to that place. Now the Serpent will like to deceive you and others like you and say "SEE IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOU A SAINT OR A SINNER you going to the same place so EAT THAT PORK AND ACT LIKE THE HEATHENS AND DO ALL THE abominationS" Lucifer you is born wicked and a lair,killer and thief.

Now if "Gehenna" or hell wasnt meant for men, then why in the world they would of speak about it as a place to go if it wasnt meant for them, it dont make no sense.

What do the Master Teacher says about who the burning pit is meant for

Matthew 25 5:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

So now we know Hebrews knew of a place called Sheol and a place called Gehenna, and that burning fire pit was meant for Lucifer and his angels.

Psalm 16 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

^^^^^^^From the Old Testament, that's where Yahushua went for three days.

Deuteronomy 32 :22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

As the GREAT HEBREW GOSPEL SINGER SANGED "SATAN WE'RE GOING TO TEAR YOUR KINGDOME DOWN" and all your lies.

 

[beenwize]

The book of Enoch is questionable first of all in regards to weather it is inspired or not. Some say it was written after the time of Christ some say early 1st century. None of us know except for what bs the white man reports. There is no scriptures in the Old Testament of anyone preaching about a christian concept of heaven or hell. Furthermore, the name Jesus or his translated name is not mentioned anywhere in the book of enoch.

The Book of Enoch, written during the second century B.C.E., is one of the most important non-canonical apocryphal works, and probably had a huge influence on early Christian, particularly Gnostic, beliefs.

Do you know what the early gnostic christians believed?

 

[beenwize]

SHUT UP AND GET SOME KNOWLEDGE I JUST SHUT YOU DOWN like i always done by using scripture. Just like when you came as Judah7 with your lies it was my duty to expose you as a fake, and i will continue to destroy your lies.

and in case you miss it the first time.

@ JUDAH7

STUDY AND SHOW YOURSELF APPROVE BOY!!!!!!!!

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lol waterproof my friend from bak in the day... You reaching for straws my friend. I will sit back patiently until u can show me substantial proof of the ancient world being taught heaven & hell thru biblical scripture. Show me the Ancient Egyptians, Mayans, Olmelics, Sumerians and etc being taught this doctrine.

PEACE

 

[waterproof]

The book of Enoch is questionable first of all in regards to weather it is inspired or not. Some say it was written after the time of Christ some say early 1st century. None of us know except for what bs the white man reports. There is no scriptures in the Old Testament of anyone preaching about a christian concept of heaven or hell. Furthermore, the name Jesus or his translated name is not mentioned anywhere in the book of enoch.

The Book of Enoch, written during the second century B.C.E., is one of the most important non-canonical apocryphal works, and probably had a huge influence on early Christian, particularly Gnostic, beliefs. Filled with hallucinatory visions of heaven and hell, angels and devils, Enoch introduced concepts such as fallen angels, the appearance of a Messiah, Resurrection, a Final Judgement, and a Heavenly Kingdom on Earth. Interspersed with this material are quasi-scientific digressions on calendrical systems, geography, cosmology, astronomy, and meteorology.

you hypocrite you BORN WICKED and full of lies and treachery, when you was Judah7 you was all up in arms, damning the catholic church for taking out books from the bible, look how quick you change. It was a reason why it was with the rest of the old testament before it was taken out due to the pagans.

And 2nd i dont need you to copy and paste somebody else views about the Book of Enoch which was written by a heathen, yes that 2nd paragraph is not from you, yeah i know, i know. I stay calling you out.

I know this The Book of Enoch was mention in the OT, My ancestors knew of Enoch and his writings. And the Book of Enoch was found in the Caves of Ethiopia in 1773 and archeologist did test on those scrolls and it was hidden in the same historical period as the Dead Sea Scrolls.

See my ancestors was all around North East Africa and were known from hiding our holy books from the gentiles and heathens, just like the Ark of the Covenant is hidden in a Mountain in Ysrael.

Again i destroy you and your lies

 

[beenwize]

you hypocrite you BORN WICKED and full of lies and treachery, when you was Judah7 you was all up in arms, damning the catholic church for taking out books from the bible, look how quick you change. It was a reason why it was with the rest of the old testament before it was taken out due to the pagans.

And 2nd i dont need you to copy and paste somebody else views about the Book of Enoch which was written by a heathen, yes that 2nd paragraph is not from you, yeah i know, i know. I stay calling you out.

I know this The Book of Enoch was mention in the OT, My ancestors knew of Enoch and his writings. And the Book of Enoch was found in the Caves of Ethiopia in 1773 and archeologist did test on those scrolls and it was hidden in the same historical period as the Dead Sea Scrolls.

See my ancestors was all around North East Africa and were known from hiding our holy books from the gentiles and heathens, just like the Ark of the Covenant is hidden in a Mountain in Ysrael.

Again i destroy you and your lies

fact is the bible is not a complete book it mentions many books that are not in it... the modern day book of enoch is questionable in weather it is inspired or a fraud. so i will continue to wait for u to show me anyone out of the old testament preaching eternity in heaven or hell to the ancient world.

peace

 

[waterproof]

fact is the bible is not a complete book it mentions many books that are not in it... the modern day book of enoch is questionable in weather it is inspired or a fraud. so i will continue to wait for u to show me anyone out of the old testament preaching eternity in heaven or hell to the ancient world.

peace

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, lol. I told you once, you aint ready and built for this......lol!!!!!! No shit lair i know the Bible is not complete and the books that was in them was taken out, that's why it's not complete, Like the Book of Enoch and The Book of Jasher that was mention in the bible and was apart of the bible that was taken out, in which you can find it and is known as the The Apocryphal.

The Book of Enoch was part of the OT, now you want to make it the modern enoch, you such a double tongued serpent. Did i just told you that the book was found in ethiopian caves in 1773 and the scroll was hidden around the historical peroid as the dead sea scrolls..

I already did enough with posting scriptures anybody can go to page 15 and read my posts.

 

[beenwize]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, lol. I told you once, you aint ready and built for this......lol!!!!!! No shit lair i know the Bible is not complete and the books that was in them was taken out, that's why it's not complete, Like the Book of Enoch and The Book of Jasher that was mention in the bible and was apart of the bible that was taken out, in which you can find it and is known as the The Apocryphal.

The Book of Enoch was part of the OT, now you want to make it the modern enoch, you such a double tongued serpent. Did i just told you that the book was found in ethiopian caves in 1773 and the scroll was hidden around the historical peroid as the dead sea scrolls..

I already did enough with posting scriptures anybody can go to page 15 and read my posts.

So basicly the residents of Sodom & Gommorah, Ancient Babylon, Ancient Egypt, Ancient Sumeria, Ancient Rome, & the civilization b4 the flood are all awaiting Jesus to make his 2nd coming for a resurrection???

that means on resurrection day trillions of ppl will be raised from the dead right?

 

[beenwize]

oh yea don't forget ancient tibetians, chinese, japanese, koreans, africans, native americans and all these ppl... therefore resurrection day would raise trillions from the dead and not a remnant right?

 

[waterproof]

So basicly the residents of Sodom & Gommorah, Ancient Babylon, Ancient Egypt, Ancient Sumeria, Ancient Rome, & the civilization b4 the flood are all awaiting Jesus to make his 2nd coming for a resurrection???

that means on resurrection day trillions of ppl will be raised from the dead right?

You mean to tell me that THE ALMIGHTY, HOLY ONE, THE CREATOR OF THE GALAXY'S, PLANETS, EARTH, MAN, THE MIGHTY ONE WHO CAN DO ALL THINGS cant deal with trillions of people on the day of resurrection, LOL.

I let you answer that, WIZE ONE.

you need to go back and read and study when the Messiyah returns he handling business first and that's whoppin on some serpent seeds tail

 

[beenwize]

You mean to tell me that THE ALMIGHTY, HOLY ONE, THE CREATOR OF THE GALAXY'S, PLANETS, EARTH, MAN, THE MIGHTY ONE WHO CAN DO ALL THINGS cant deal with trillions of people on the day of resurrection, LOL.

I let you answer that, WIZE ONE.

you need to go back and read and study when the Messiyah returns he handling business first and that's whoppin on some serpent seeds tail

u kno waterproof my old friend for someone who professes a belief in Jesus u sure do NOT operate in a christ like spirit with all the name calling u do. this will be an interesting day to see trillions upon trillions raised from the dead to live for an eternity?

will everyone dwell on earth or different planets?

and since u say we are in the last days that means any moment now trillions will be raised from the dead?

 

[waterproof]

u kno waterproof my old friend for someone who profess a belief in Jesus u sure do NOT operate in a christ like spirit with all the name calling u do. this will be an interesting day to see trillions upon trillions raised from the dead to live for an eternity?

will everyone dwell on earth or different planets?

I believe in Yahuwah, Yahushua and the Rauch and the father laws and the message of the Messiyah, the message of the prophets, the gospel and the Tanach, SHALOM.

For all my brothers and sisters go back to page 15 to get caught up as i touch on the Sheol and the burning place for the wicked known as Gehenna that was known to Hebrews.

and read those Chapters in the Book of Enoch that deal with places people go when they die, and how the Master Teacher said that burning place in the earth was meant for Lucifer and his Angels and wasnt meant for Man at first.

And i post some OT scriptures.

Now at @ Judah7 my personal belief is that we are in the last days, how long, i dont know because wickedness is at an all time high, and there is a famine in the land

 

[beenwize]

waterproof the Book of Enoch states that God had watchers that watched over the earth and reported back to him... So if the Bible states that God is all knowing why would he need watchers to report back to him?

 

[judahxulu]

thought i'd add the following to the mix and see what happens. this came out in 99 but no one seemed to notice.


No Physical Heaven/Hell ... says the Pope?
Toledo Blade ^ | Saturday, August 14, 1999 | JUDY TARJANYI

Posted on Monday, September 23, 2002 3:04:16 PM by Quester

Saturday, August 14, 1999

New ideas about heaven and hell are being suggested

By JUDY TARJANYI

Toledo Blade

A multitude of words about heaven and hell lies within the pages of the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the writings of Christianity's church fathers. But when Pope John Paul II chose a few to elaborate on in two recent addresses, he made headlines, even though he was merely drawing on current church teaching in his descriptions of the afterlife.

"The Pope drastically lowered the temperature of hell," crowed a report from the British newspaper, The Guardian. An July 29 article from Reuters News Service said: "Forget the flames and the devils with pitchforks. A week after telling the Roman Catholic faithful that heaven was not up in the clouds, Pope John Paul II said yesterday that hell was not a physical place either."

Even in Italy, home of the Catholic Church's Vatican, the Pope's thoughts on eternity unleashed a discussion in the Italian press in which Catholic theologians weighed in on the subject, according to the National Catholic Register.

In this premillennial time, when mediums who claim to have received reports of the hereafter are frequent guests on TV talk shows and their books are big sellers, no one should be surprised that talk of the afterlife from one of the world's best-known religious leaders would spark the kind of interest it did. The popularity of books by and about such mediums as George Anderson, James Van Praagh, and John Edward in which they share messages from the "other side" that describe what it's like over there indicates people want their curiosity about what comes after death satisfied by more than blind faith.

Such curiosity often stems from the desire to know the state of loved ones who have died. Indeed, much of Anderson's work has been in giving readings, or as he calls them, discernments, to bereaved survivors about their deceased family members. What they have to say is far more detailed than anything the Pope has said in describing heaven and hell, but in some ways it is similar to his characterizations of heaven and hell as closer to a state of being than a place.

The Pope's comments stand in sharp contrast to popular images of heaven as a mass of fluffy clouds and hell as a pit of fire. Heaven, the Pope said, is neither abstraction nor a physical place, but a "living and personal relationship with the Holy Trinity," the Christian understanding of God as one being in three persons of Father,Son, and Holy Spirit. Hell, he said, is "the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy."

 

[beenwize]

thought i'd add the following to the mix and see what happens. this came out in 99 but no one seemed to notice.



No Physical Heaven/Hell ... says the Pope?

Toledo Blade ^ | Saturday, August 14, 1999 | JUDY TARJANYI

Posted on Monday, September 23, 2002 3:04:16 PM by Quester

Saturday, August 14, 1999

New ideas about heaven and hell are being suggested

By JUDY TARJANYI

Toledo Blade

A multitude of words about heaven and hell lies within the pages of the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the writings of Christianity's church fathers. But when Pope John Paul II chose a few to elaborate on in two recent addresses, he made headlines, even though he was merely drawing on current church teaching in his descriptions of the afterlife.

"The Pope drastically lowered the temperature of hell," crowed a report from the British newspaper, The Guardian. An July 29 article from Reuters News Service said: "Forget the flames and the devils with pitchforks. A week after telling the Roman Catholic faithful that heaven was not up in the clouds, Pope John Paul II said yesterday that hell was not a physical place either."

Even in Italy, home of the Catholic Church's Vatican, the Pope's thoughts on eternity unleashed a discussion in the Italian press in which Catholic theologians weighed in on the subject, according to the National Catholic Register.

In this premillennial time, when mediums who claim to have received reports of the hereafter are frequent guests on TV talk shows and their books are big sellers, no one should be surprised that talk of the afterlife from one of the world's best-known religious leaders would spark the kind of interest it did. The popularity of books by and about such mediums as George Anderson, James Van Praagh, and John Edward in which they share messages from the "other side" that describe what it's like over there indicates people want their curiosity about what comes after death satisfied by more than blind faith.



Such curiosity often stems from the desire to know the state of loved ones who have died. Indeed, much of Anderson's work has been in giving readings, or as he calls them, discernments, to bereaved survivors about their deceased family members. What they have to say is far more detailed than anything the Pope has said in describing heaven and hell, but in some ways it is similar to his characterizations of heaven and hell as closer to a state of being than a place.

The Pope's comments stand in sharp contrast to popular images of heaven as a mass of fluffy clouds and hell as a pit of fire. Heaven, the Pope said, is neither abstraction nor a physical place, but a "living and personal relationship with the Holy Trinity," the Christian understanding of God as one being in three persons of Father,Son, and Holy Spirit. Hell, he said, is "the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy."

this is a great article... at least the Pope does tell the truth from time to time.

 

[judahxulu]

this is a great article... at least the Pope does tell the truth from time to time.

ive come to the conclusion a while ago that in this great big ol' web of conspiracy of elite occultists that they are bound to tell the truth by some of the multi-dimensional entities they use to further their aiims. they just bury it in the glut of information and insinuation in the digital age. truth is thusly hidden in plain sight of the sheeple with eyes wide shut. i mean you could take a poll of catholics globally and i bet you less than 10% know john paul 2 ever said that about heaven and hell which the desire or fear of is the crux of the christian faith.

 

[beenwize]

ive come to the conclusion a while ago that in this great big ol' web of conspiracy of elite occultists that they are bound to tell the truth by some of the multi-dimensional entities they use to further their aiims. they just bury it in the glut of information and insinuation in the digital age. truth is thusly hidden in plain sight of the sheeple with eyes wide shut. i mean you could take a poll of catholics globally and i bet you less than 10% know john paul 2 ever said that about heaven and hell which the desire or fear of is the crux of the christian faith.

correct i never seen anyone quote that article b4... these catholics/christians jus pick and choose what they quote even wen it comes from their leaders. not only would they not know what john paul 2 said they don't even know what they own bible say. not to mention there are hundreds of books available exposing the truth regarding roman catholic religion and the invention of a eternal hell. they jus refuse to research it.

 

[waterproof]

thought i'd add the following to the mix and see what happens. this came out in 99 but no one seemed to notice.


No Physical Heaven/Hell ... says the Pope?
Toledo Blade ^ | Saturday, August 14, 1999 | JUDY TARJANYI

Posted on Monday, September 23, 2002 3:04:16 PM by Quester

Saturday, August 14, 1999

New ideas about heaven and hell are being suggested

By JUDY TARJANYI

Toledo Blade

A multitude of words about heaven and hell lies within the pages of the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the writings of Christianity's church fathers. But when Pope John Paul II chose a few to elaborate on in two recent addresses, he made headlines, even though he was merely drawing on current church teaching in his descriptions of the afterlife.

"The Pope drastically lowered the temperature of hell," crowed a report from the British newspaper, The Guardian. An July 29 article from Reuters News Service said: "Forget the flames and the devils with pitchforks. A week after telling the Roman Catholic faithful that heaven was not up in the clouds, Pope John Paul II said yesterday that hell was not a physical place either."

Even in Italy, home of the Catholic Church's Vatican, the Pope's thoughts on eternity unleashed a discussion in the Italian press in which Catholic theologians weighed in on the subject, according to the National Catholic Register.

In this premillennial time, when mediums who claim to have received reports of the hereafter are frequent guests on TV talk shows and their books are big sellers, no one should be surprised that talk of the afterlife from one of the world's best-known religious leaders would spark the kind of interest it did. The popularity of books by and about such mediums as George Anderson, James Van Praagh, and John Edward in which they share messages from the "other side" that describe what it's like over there indicates people want their curiosity about what comes after death satisfied by more than blind faith.

Such curiosity often stems from the desire to know the state of loved ones who have died. Indeed, much of Anderson's work has been in giving readings, or as he calls them, discernments, to bereaved survivors about their deceased family members. What they have to say is far more detailed than anything the Pope has said in describing heaven and hell, but in some ways it is similar to his characterizations of heaven and hell as closer to a state of being than a place.

The Pope's comments stand in sharp contrast to popular images of heaven as a mass of fluffy clouds and hell as a pit of fire. Heaven, the Pope said, is neither abstraction nor a physical place, but a "living and personal relationship with the Holy Trinity," the Christian understanding of God as one being in three persons of Father,Son, and Holy Spirit. Hell, he said, is "the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy."

Yeah i read that before but it's not the first time The Pope comes out and sprinkle partial truth's out there. Everything the Pope do have to be looked through a different lense, let's not forget who the pope is and what he represent and who he takes orders from and how they know they fate already, they know the scriptures better than majority of the people and he can twist and use it for they agenda. When the Pope comes out i listen and try to figure what's the climate of the times, if he's in another country giving a speech why, ect...

Let's not forget Rome is the enemy of Ysrarel. But back to how the Pope comes out sprinkle truth, there always been an agenda, CASE IN POINT.

Some Years ago, When the Pope made a trip to Africa I knew he had an agenda (yall can Google and try to find the speech i am talking about) The Pope was in Ethiopia i believe (I might been wrong but it's been over 5 years) and said "Africa is Birthplace of Christianity , OK those who study know that, but what was his plan. Then he went to EGYPT and said that we should thank Egypt for giving the world religion, again what's his agenda.

Then while in Egypt, The Pope meet with some Muslim leaders and spoke on Islam, how Islam and Christanity believe in the same Prophets and the same God. So i sit back and tried to understand what is he trying to do, because a leopard can't change his spots.

Now back to what the Pope said about Heaven and Hell there is some truth in it, if a person knows scriptures they would of known that already.

Now all they have to do is read and understand the Story of Abraham who followed Yahuwah, walk in his way and obey the commadments and he was in Heaven for he had all the spirtual, physical health and wealth. He was a very rich man, The Scriptures said obey the commandments and love the father you will not have a want.

Look at the stories of King David and Solomon, they followed Yah and obey his commandments and had all the riches in the world, built great cities and had a super power military, Ysrael was a SuperPower but when they disobey Yah broke his commandments, marrying women of Ysreal enemies they was in hell.

Now i believe man , women, child, Saint and Sinner's when they die they go to Sheol, but when it's time there will be a judment. YAHUWAH is a Just Elohim who deal with truth, law and righteousness.

Those killers, molesters, rapist and those who killed my people and lived a wealthy life with no punishment and died with out being brought to justice will have their time and judgement, all will.