Lebron on Jordan - "He gets too much credit for his 6 rings"

[CapitalB]

Still havent heard a valid argument against:

"Lebron leaves his teams, they cant even make the playoffs"

"Jordan left his teams they still compete in the playoffs"

Does this or does it not mean Jordan had the better teams around him?

okayi thought it was jus me..

cause all im gettin is emotional posts from emotional ass niggas. lol

 

[CapitalB]

Phil Jackson wit an organization behind him and players buyin into HIS triangle offensive system competed for a Championship 13 times and won 11 of them..

but lets give Jordan ALL the credit for 6 of Phil's championships..

only person i could see winnin outside of that system is Shaq..

but yeh.. Phil needed Mike more then Mike needed Phil.. hell.. Mike didnt need nobody.. jus pass him the damn ball.. dont even have to play defense..

he'a gonna outscore the opposing team himself anyway..

 

[Tommy bilfiger]

all i know is when LeBron leaves teams they dont make the playoffs..

when Jordan leaves they make it to the eastern conference finals..

jus sayin..

made the second round...

and yeah of course after winning 3 straight chips you take one star out they still have enough confidence to play well

besides the point..

Miami went to 4straight championships..

won 2..

LeBron leaves they miss the playoffs..

in Cleveland he led his team to the Championship and the ECFs on numerous occassions..

he leaves they get 1st pick 3 out of 5 seasons or some shit..

so back to what i was sayin..

U niggas gove Jordan too much credit..

and i only say too much is cause u niggas try and negate any and everything that was around Jordan as if he was the only muthafucka on that court and that wasnt the case..

in the 80s when the pistons was beatin his ass yall dont never mention the ramifications of that.. that ushered in a NEW Jordan rule.. the "u bet not touch him" rule... same way the NFL changed the rules everytime Payton Manning got beat..

i can tell some of u niggas nevwr played sports..

u can have the best player the most talented team but if they dont play as one they dont win and that comes from coaching.. Phil Jackson came wit the Triangle Offense.. a system that won 11 fuckin titles.. and yall go only give Jordan credit for the 6 he won under that system when before he was the greatest player on one of the worst team!!?

u niggas trippin!

u give LeBron a Pippen and Phil or a Shaq and Phil or a Gasol and Bynum wit oerimeter shooters like Paxton Kerr Fish and Horry and this shit aint even fair.. he wouldnt see a game 7 either..

yeh Jordan is the greatest but u niggas is puttin 20 on the 10..

you the stupidest nigga alive, watch me show you

first off you talked about how the Heat missed the playoffs after lebron left without mentioning that Bosh was injured and only played 44 games while Wade played 62 and that Ray allen and shane battier were not on the team anymore so there you go

and second of all ...damn you stupid...you said if Lebron had Pippen with shooters like Kerr or fish or Horry it wouldnt be fair ???? NIGGA ! what the fuck is Wade ,Bosh ,Ray allen ,shane battier,mike miller Rashard lewis and james jones ??? Ray allen and mike miller are much better better shooters than all the guys you mentionned smh...

Come correct when talkin bball with me man I come with logic and facts

You arguin wit a casual fan stop wasting your time

 

[BDBIID]

Gotta look at nuance with the Jordan teams after he left vs Bron.

Those Bulls teams pretty much stayed the same and healthy when Mike was gone.

The heat missing the playoffs is fugazi. Wade missed 20 games, Bosh half the year. They would've been a playoff squad if not for injuries.

10-11 Cavs more so was a what you saw was what it was. They just really lost a role player Shaq and Big Z. Mo Will gets traded midway.

But like I said this one you can really look at, the Heat falling off to no playoffs is circumstantial not just black and white.

Wade was missin games when LeBron was there..

and Bosh was gettin injured as well..

so try again..

Nope.

Bosh played 74,79, 57 of 66 in lockout year and 77 games the years Bron was in Miami. The year Bron was gone he played 44.

Wade I give you.

But healthy Bosh highly doubt they miss the playoffs. So like I said.

 

[CapitalB]

all i know is when LeBron leaves teams they dont make the playoffs..

when Jordan leaves they make it to the eastern conference finals..

jus sayin..

made the second round...

and yeah of course after winning 3 straight chips you take one star out they still have enough confidence to play well

besides the point..

Miami went to 4straight championships..

won 2..

LeBron leaves they miss the playoffs..

in Cleveland he led his team to the Championship and the ECFs on numerous occassions..

he leaves they get 1st pick 3 out of 5 seasons or some shit..

so back to what i was sayin..

U niggas gove Jordan too much credit..

and i only say too much is cause u niggas try and negate any and everything that was around Jordan as if he was the only muthafucka on that court and that wasnt the case..

in the 80s when the pistons was beatin his ass yall dont never mention the ramifications of that.. that ushered in a NEW Jordan rule.. the "u bet not touch him" rule... same way the NFL changed the rules everytime Payton Manning got beat..

i can tell some of u niggas nevwr played sports..

u can have the best player the most talented team but if they dont play as one they dont win and that comes from coaching.. Phil Jackson came wit the Triangle Offense.. a system that won 11 fuckin titles.. and yall go only give Jordan credit for the 6 he won under that system when before he was the greatest player on one of the worst team!!?

u niggas trippin!

u give LeBron a Pippen and Phil or a Shaq and Phil or a Gasol and Bynum wit oerimeter shooters like Paxton Kerr Fish and Horry and this shit aint even fair.. he wouldnt see a game 7 either..

yeh Jordan is the greatest but u niggas is puttin 20 on the 10..

you the stupidest nigga alive, watch me show you

first off you talked about how the Heat missed the playoffs after lebron left without mentioning that Bosh was injured and only played 44 games while Wade played 62 and that Ray allen and shane battier were not on the team anymore so there you go

and second of all ...damn you stupid...you said if Lebron had Pippen with shooters like Kerr or fish or Horry it wouldnt be fair ???? NIGGA ! what the fuck is Wade ,Bosh ,Ray allen ,shane battier,mike miller Rashard lewis and james jones ??? Ray allen and mike miller are much better better shooters than all the guys you mentionned smh...

Come correct when talkin bball with me man I come with logic and facts

You arguin wit a casual fan stop wasting your time

when Jordan was around i was more then a casual fan.. i was an active ball player.. played in leagues and traveling teams and was taught fundamental basketball..

i played for Slam N Jam.. we were nationally recognized back then and the program was pretty much a development league for Dominguez High which was also Nationally recognized..

i played ball since 7yrs old all the way up to highschool..

only thing kept me from D1 was my grades and gang affiliation..

niggas like u sot on the couch amd watch espn and youtube highlights and think u know somethin.. or u scored 5 points in a pickup game goin to 11 and think u got all the answers..

nigga sit yo lame ass down..

if im a casual fan its cause sports dont rule my life.. i dont live vicariously through teams and players.. i got better shit to do..

but if u dont understand it takes more then a player to win championships and that a Jordan benefitted from a system arguably the greatest coach to ever call a play and a competent organization..

none of which was afforded LeBron then YOU dont know fuckin basketball..

does Jordan deserve alot of credit for the rings he have?! u damn straight..

but all!!? nah..

LeBron deserves more credit for his championships then Jordan does for his.. and im sure u feel otherwise..

but ur an idiot.

 

[Tommy bilfiger]

Phil Jackson wit an organization behind him and players buyin into HIS triangle offensive system competed for a Championship 13 times and won 11 of them..

but lets give Jordan ALL the credit for 6 of Phil's championships..

only person i could see winnin outside of that system is Shaq..

but yeh.. Phil needed Mike more then Mike needed Phil.. hell.. Mike didnt need nobody.. jus pass him the damn ball.. dont even have to play defense..

he'a gonna outscore the opposing team himself anyway..

Tex winters triangle system not phil jacksons you realize the triangle offense was used by the knicks since phil became prez and has flopped right? keep exposing yourself

 

[CapitalB]

Gotta look at nuance with the Jordan teams after he left vs Bron.

Those Bulls teams pretty much stayed the same and healthy when Mike was gone.

The heat missing the playoffs is fugazi. Wade missed 20 games, Bosh half the year. They would've been a playoff squad if not for injuries.

10-11 Cavs more so was a what you saw was what it was. They just really lost a role player Shaq and Big Z. Mo Will gets traded midway.

But like I said this one you can really look at, the Heat falling off to no playoffs is circumstantial not just black and white.

Wade was missin games when LeBron was there..

and Bosh was gettin injured as well..

so try again..

Nope.

Bosh played 74,79, 57 of 66 in lockout year and 77 games the years Bron was in Miami. The year Bron was gone he played 44.

Wade I give you.

But healthy Bosh highly doubt they miss the playoffs. So like I said.

Bosh didnt get hurt in the playoffs and missed 2series and wasnt 100% in the finals??

 

[CapitalB]

Phil Jackson wit an organization behind him and players buyin into HIS triangle offensive system competed for a Championship 13 times and won 11 of them..

but lets give Jordan ALL the credit for 6 of Phil's championships..

only person i could see winnin outside of that system is Shaq..

but yeh.. Phil needed Mike more then Mike needed Phil.. hell.. Mike didnt need nobody.. jus pass him the damn ball.. dont even have to play defense..

he'a gonna outscore the opposing team himself anyway..

Tex winters triangle system not phil jacksons you realize the triangle offense was used by the knicks since phil became prez and has flopped right? keep exposing yourself

im not about to argue semantics my nigga..

i manage bitches..

u argue like one..

what u talkin is besides the point..

 

[CapitalB]

i dont give a fuck about its origins.

was the bulls runnin that shit before Phil got there!!?

no!!?

okay then..

 

[Tommy bilfiger]

Phil Jackson wit an organization behind him and players buyin into HIS triangle offensive system competed for a Championship 13 times and won 11 of them..

but lets give Jordan ALL the credit for 6 of Phil's championships..

only person i could see winnin outside of that system is Shaq..

but yeh.. Phil needed Mike more then Mike needed Phil.. hell.. Mike didnt need nobody.. jus pass him the damn ball.. dont even have to play defense..

he'a gonna outscore the opposing team himself anyway..

Tex winters triangle system not phil jacksons you realize the triangle offense was used by the knicks since phil became prez and has flopped right? keep exposing yourself

im not about to argue semantics my nigga..

i manage bitches..

u argue like one..

what u talkin is besides the point..

I gave credit to the guy who actually created the system that wasn't phil jackson.

You're tryna say the triangle system is responsible for all these championships then I gave an example of how the knicks have ran that same triangle in new york and have missed the playoffs.Your babbling about managing bitches in response you got it dog It's clear you a casual fan wit an agenda.

 

[Tommy bilfiger]

all i know is when LeBron leaves teams they dont make the playoffs..

when Jordan leaves they make it to the eastern conference finals..

jus sayin..

made the second round...

and yeah of course after winning 3 straight chips you take one star out they still have enough confidence to play well

besides the point..

Miami went to 4straight championships..

won 2..

LeBron leaves they miss the playoffs..

in Cleveland he led his team to the Championship and the ECFs on numerous occassions..

he leaves they get 1st pick 3 out of 5 seasons or some shit..

so back to what i was sayin..

U niggas gove Jordan too much credit..

and i only say too much is cause u niggas try and negate any and everything that was around Jordan as if he was the only muthafucka on that court and that wasnt the case..

in the 80s when the pistons was beatin his ass yall dont never mention the ramifications of that.. that ushered in a NEW Jordan rule.. the "u bet not touch him" rule... same way the NFL changed the rules everytime Payton Manning got beat..

i can tell some of u niggas nevwr played sports..

u can have the best player the most talented team but if they dont play as one they dont win and that comes from coaching.. Phil Jackson came wit the Triangle Offense.. a system that won 11 fuckin titles.. and yall go only give Jordan credit for the 6 he won under that system when before he was the greatest player on one of the worst team!!?

u niggas trippin!

u give LeBron a Pippen and Phil or a Shaq and Phil or a Gasol and Bynum wit oerimeter shooters like Paxton Kerr Fish and Horry and this shit aint even fair.. he wouldnt see a game 7 either..

yeh Jordan is the greatest but u niggas is puttin 20 on the 10..

you the stupidest nigga alive, watch me show you

first off you talked about how the Heat missed the playoffs after lebron left without mentioning that Bosh was injured and only played 44 games while Wade played 62 and that Ray allen and shane battier were not on the team anymore so there you go

and second of all ...damn you stupid...you said if Lebron had Pippen with shooters like Kerr or fish or Horry it wouldnt be fair ???? NIGGA ! what the fuck is Wade ,Bosh ,Ray allen ,shane battier,mike miller Rashard lewis and james jones ??? Ray allen and mike miller are much better better shooters than all the guys you mentionned smh...

Come correct when talkin bball with me man I come with logic and facts

You arguin wit a casual fan stop wasting your time

when Jordan was around i was more then a casual fan.. i was an active ball player.. played in leagues and traveling teams and was taught fundamental basketball..

i played for Slam N Jam.. we were nationally recognized back then and the program was pretty much a development league for Dominguez High which was also Nationally recognized..

i played ball since 7yrs old all the way up to highschool..

only thing kept me from D1 was my grades and gang affiliation..

niggas like u sot on the couch amd watch espn and youtube highlights and think u know somethin.. or u scored 5 points in a pickup game goin to 11 and think u got all the answers..

nigga sit yo lame ass down..

if im a casual fan its cause sports dont rule my life.. i dont live vicariously through teams and players.. i got better shit to do..

but if u dont understand it takes more then a player to win championships and that a Jordan benefitted from a system arguably the greatest coach to ever call a play and a competent organization..

none of which was afforded LeBron then YOU dont know fuckin basketball..

does Jordan deserve alot of credit for the rings he have?! u damn straight..

but all!!? nah..

LeBron deserves more credit for his championships then Jordan does for his.. and im sure u feel otherwise..



but ur an idiot.

I don't care about your biographies you're a casual fan

 

[CapitalB]

Phil Jackson wit an organization behind him and players buyin into HIS triangle offensive system competed for a Championship 13 times and won 11 of them..

but lets give Jordan ALL the credit for 6 of Phil's championships..

only person i could see winnin outside of that system is Shaq..

but yeh.. Phil needed Mike more then Mike needed Phil.. hell.. Mike didnt need nobody.. jus pass him the damn ball.. dont even have to play defense..

he'a gonna outscore the opposing team himself anyway..

Tex winters triangle system not phil jacksons you realize the triangle offense was used by the knicks since phil became prez and has flopped right? keep exposing yourself

im not about to argue semantics my nigga..

i manage bitches..

u argue like one..

what u talkin is besides the point..

I gave credit to the guy who actually created the system that wasn't phil jackson.

You're tryna say the triangle system is responsible for all these championships then I gave an example of how the knicks have ran that same triangle in new york and have missed the playoffs.Your babbling about managing bitches in response you got it dog It's clear you a casual fan wit an agenda.

i mentioned my bitches cause u remind me of them when im pokin holes in they lies and tearin down their excuses..

u still have yet to address anything iv said..

u only respond after a google search and notice a statistical error in my post..

kinda how when somone is posting some shit u cant refute so u choose to attack his grammar..

thats u right now..

if u aint go address the points thennus shut the fuck up and maybe someone else can..

cause right now all u commin wit is excuses amd red herrings like these bitches do when im at them..

 

[The Lonious Monk]

All the kobe fans that hate me got pissued about this i feel bad for pippen niggas is getting less and less shine over the years

He in the hall of fame and was named top 50 man.He gets plenty of recognition matter of fact he gets TOO much shine

I've seen dudes say they'd take pippen over larry bird which is laughable.Pippen was a solid complimentary player not this potential franchise sf nostalgia leads people to believe

pippen was another star player that complementary thing is disrespectful

Pippen was a lil more than a complementary player but he wasn't a star player. I know the shit is weird but it is what it is. Stars you trying to build around nobody was doing that with Pippen.

i was going to drop a bunch of stats but the nigga won the all-star game mvp the season jordan left how is he not a star he won an award for being a star player in an all-star game

pippen was a star but not a superstar he could never LEAD a team to a chip he on the level of Bosh but not as good as Wade for example

Pippen was a star, but he wasn't a number 1. Not every star is built to lead a team. People really forgetting that when the Bulls were in trouble in that playoff series, Pippen basically had a breakdown? That nigga was the happiest person on the team when MJ game back that. That wouldn't have been the case if he wanted that top spot.

 

[Tommy bilfiger]

Phil Jackson wit an organization behind him and players buyin into HIS triangle offensive system competed for a Championship 13 times and won 11 of them..

but lets give Jordan ALL the credit for 6 of Phil's championships..

only person i could see winnin outside of that system is Shaq..

but yeh.. Phil needed Mike more then Mike needed Phil.. hell.. Mike didnt need nobody.. jus pass him the damn ball.. dont even have to play defense..

he'a gonna outscore the opposing team himself anyway..

Tex winters triangle system not phil jacksons you realize the triangle offense was used by the knicks since phil became prez and has flopped right? keep exposing yourself

im not about to argue semantics my nigga..

i manage bitches..

u argue like one..

what u talkin is besides the point..

I gave credit to the guy who actually created the system that wasn't phil jackson.

You're tryna say the triangle system is responsible for all these championships then I gave an example of how the knicks have ran that same triangle in new york and have missed the playoffs.Your babbling about managing bitches in response you got it dog It's clear you a casual fan wit an agenda.

i mentioned my bitches cause u remind me of them when im pokin holes in they lies and tearin down their excuses..

u still have yet to address anything iv said..

u only respond after a google search and notice a statistical error in my post..

kinda how when somone is posting some shit u cant refute so u choose to attack his grammar..

thats u right now..

if u aint go address the points thennus shut the fuck up and maybe someone else can..

cause right now all u commin wit is excuses amd red herrings like these bitches do when im at them..

More babbling about nothin.You callin me Bitches,idiots lames clickin feelins on all my posts you mad and you're sonnin yourself

I responded to your trash posts already read, there's no need to go in circles wit a fool wit suspect bball knowledge

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Still havent heard a valid argument against:

"Lebron leaves his teams, they cant even make the playoffs"

"Jordan left his teams they still compete in the playoffs"

Does this or does it not mean Jordan had the better teams around him?

Just because you ignore arguments doesn't mean they aren't valid.

Like I said, MJ pushed his teammates to get better. He was brutal on them niggas. Pippen himself said the only reason he was a HoF player was because of MJ. Lebron isn't like that. He's too buddy buddy for that. He's content with being the cornerstone of the team and letting everyone else be content with complimenting him. Of course MJ's teams would be better because they were conditioned to be that way. Lebron's teams were built to be dependent on him. Either way, neither team won anything when the star was gone.

 

[coop9889]

Still havent heard a valid argument against:

"Lebron leaves his teams, they cant even make the playoffs"

"Jordan left his teams they still compete in the playoffs"

Does this or does it not mean Jordan had the better teams around him?

Just because you ignore arguments doesn't mean they aren't valid.

Like I said, MJ pushed his teammates to get better. He was brutal on them niggas. Pippen himself said the only reason he was a HoF player was because of MJ. Lebron isn't like that. He's too buddy buddy for that. He's content with being the cornerstone of the team and letting everyone else be content with complimenting him. Of course MJ's teams would be better because they were conditioned to be that way. Lebron's teams were built to be dependent on him. Either way, neither team won anything when the star was gone.

Proof that Lebron didn't push his teammates and make his teams better?

Since you know Lebron personally and every little detail that goes on in their lives and practices and everything...

But that's besides the point. You've admitted MJs teams were better. That's all I was looking for. Carry on...

And lol at any star of their caliber NOT being the cornerstone of their teams and everyone else complimenting them. That happens naturally. Fuck you mean.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Still havent heard a valid argument against:

"Lebron leaves his teams, they cant even make the playoffs"

"Jordan left his teams they still compete in the playoffs"

Does this or does it not mean Jordan had the better teams around him?

Just because you ignore arguments doesn't mean they aren't valid.

Like I said, MJ pushed his teammates to get better. He was brutal on them niggas. Pippen himself said the only reason he was a HoF player was because of MJ. Lebron isn't like that. He's too buddy buddy for that. He's content with being the cornerstone of the team and letting everyone else be content with complimenting him. Of course MJ's teams would be better because they were conditioned to be that way. Lebron's teams were built to be dependent on him. Either way, neither team won anything when the star was gone.

Proof that Lebron didn't push his teammates and make his teams better?

Since you know Lebron personally and every little detail that goes on in their lives and practices and everything...

But that's besides the point. You've admitted MJs teams were better. That's all I was looking for. Carry on...

And lol at any star of their caliber NOT being the cornerstone of their teams and everyone else complimenting them. That happens naturally. Fuck you mean.

Why do ya'll niggas even want discussions if you're so biased you're not even going to pay attention to what others are saying. Niggas be getting emotional like "Nuh uh...you don't even know him." No I don't know him. But I do know MJ was punching niggas out over Bball and all his teammates have come out and said that he pushed them to be better at the expense of everything else? Did Lebron do that? Has anyone said that about him? No. The nigga was buddy buddy with his teammates. We all saw that shit. He was not like MJ or Kobe when it came to his expectations for his teammates.

There is a difference between simply being the most important person on your team and being the cornerstone. MJ was the most important person on his team, but his teammates could play without him because that's how they were conditioned. The Cavs wasn't built like that. That's why you had cases where Lebron either scored or assisted on a score for like 80 pts. It's not because the rest of his team was just garbage. It's because none of them were built up to be their own players. They were young players whose whole concept of playing in the NBA was to follow Lebron's lead. That's how you can go from being in a championship one year and being complete shit the next year with the loss of one player.

And yeah the Bulls were a better team than the Cavs. Is anyone even arguing that? They were also much more successful, so what does that say about how MJ and Lebron compare? Not a damn thing. So what's the point of this conversation? The fact is, there are times when the Bulls would have faltered and lost if MJ didn't step up, but he always stepped up. You can't say the same about Lebron, and that's what matters when comparing them.

 

[coop9889]

Still havent heard a valid argument against:

"Lebron leaves his teams, they cant even make the playoffs"

"Jordan left his teams they still compete in the playoffs"

Does this or does it not mean Jordan had the better teams around him?

Just because you ignore arguments doesn't mean they aren't valid.

Like I said, MJ pushed his teammates to get better. He was brutal on them niggas. Pippen himself said the only reason he was a HoF player was because of MJ. Lebron isn't like that. He's too buddy buddy for that. He's content with being the cornerstone of the team and letting everyone else be content with complimenting him. Of course MJ's teams would be better because they were conditioned to be that way. Lebron's teams were built to be dependent on him. Either way, neither team won anything when the star was gone.

Proof that Lebron didn't push his teammates and make his teams better?

Since you know Lebron personally and every little detail that goes on in their lives and practices and everything...

But that's besides the point. You've admitted MJs teams were better. That's all I was looking for. Carry on...

And lol at any star of their caliber NOT being the cornerstone of their teams and everyone else complimenting them. That happens naturally. Fuck you mean.

Why do ya'll niggas even want discussions if you're so biased you're not even going to pay attention to what others are saying. Niggas be getting emotional like "Nuh uh...you don't even know him." No I don't know him. But I do know MJ was punching niggas out over Bball and all his teammates have come out and said that he pushed them to be better at the expense of everything else? Did Lebron do that? Has anyone said that about him? No. The nigga was buddy buddy with his teammates. We all saw that shit. He was not like MJ or Kobe when it came to his expectations for his teammates.

There is a difference between simply being the most important person on your team and being the cornerstone. MJ was the most important person on his team, but his teammates could play without him because that's how they were conditioned. The Cavs wasn't built like that. That's why you had cases where Lebron either scored or assisted on a score for like 80 pts. It's not because the rest of his team was just garbage. It's because none of them were built up to be their own players. They were young players whose whole concept of playing in the NBA was to follow Lebron's lead. That's how you can go from being in a championship one year and being complete shit the next year with the loss of one player.

And yeah the Bulls were a better team than the Cavs. Is anyone even arguing that? They were also much more successful, so what does that say about how MJ and Lebron compare? Not a damn thing. So what's the point of this conversation? The fact is, there are times when the Bulls would have faltered and lost if MJ didn't step up, but he always stepped up. You can't say the same about Lebron, and that's what matters when comparing them.

No, Mike didn't ALWAYS step up. And you talk about being biased and rewriting history.. We acting like Mike always made it to the finals every year and never had bad games EVER? Sheesh...

Like I said, you are agreeing that MJ had a better team. I've had this debate a million times that's the only point I wanted to get confirmation on. You'd be surprised how many people say that was not the case. But it is that point alone that negates many of the points that follow.

 

[Olorun22]

ESPN niggas want lbj to be better than Jordan so bad lol

 

[CapitalB]

ESPN niggas want lbj to be better than Jordan so bad lol

he is "better" then Jordan..

is he "greater" nah..

not yet atleast..