Ladies, do you find that hip hop and rnb are getting more disrespectful?

[JokerzWyld]

Any woman who feels disrespected and/or offended by hip hop is weak-minded. I say this for three reasons.

1. No artist has ever referred to ALL women by pejorative terms (hoe, slut, bitch, etc.). Therefore it's safe to assume that those terms are used to refer to females that fit those characteristics. Such terms, if not applicable, shouldn't offend.

2. Hip Hop nor the artists thereof necessarily make music for women. In fact, it's a male-dominated genre that speaks to a male audience from a male perspective. Some argue that that's misogynistic, however, how many songs and genres of music have been dedicated to women? Even hip hop songs have been dedicated to uplift women at times.

3. Women, like male fans of hip hop, choose to consume this brand of alleged "mainstream hip hop" and, therefore, are to blame for it's popularity. Many hip hop artists don't make songs denigrating women of any class, but they don't get supported. Some hip hop artists can make singles that don't mention women at all, and they are ignored by many.

If you disagree, fine. What you should do is write radio and music industry executives and tell them to change the content of the music they play and manufacture. See what their responses are.

Weak?

So in defense of the misogny present in mainstream hip-hop, you dismiss or belittle women for taking offense...Word? Lol. That's pretty sexist of you

As for the other points you made. ..

1. I think for many, it’s not that words like "bitch" or "hoe" are necessarily the problem, but the power behind these words....Traditionally these terms have been used to demean women, and emasculate men.

So naturally when a woman hears the words bitch or hoe, especially out the mouth of a man, it can serve as a reminder that as an opinionated womn or a sexual woman or a woman who is not interested in appeasing men you are not going to be as socially accepted as your male counterparts. You are a bad person.

Obviously thats not good. We than have to ask what message does that convey to a young impressionable boy or girl

Than since women are not inherently “bitches" another problem with its usage is that we can never differentiate properly on who “deserves” the title and who does not

2. Artist make music with a certain audience in mind, not sure how the discounts my feelings as a woman hearing something many would consider misogynistic. We don't live in a bubble. Than there's the misogny in RnB

3. Yes we all share some accountability. The artist, the labels, record execs and the consumer.

With that said, I grew up on hip hop. But the older I get the less mainstream music including hip hop appeals to me.

I can barely stomach watching some rap videos

I wrote "weak-minded" actually.

Some things in society interest men, somethings interest women. Women throughout the history of music have been the primary audience and inspiration of many genres of music, almost to a fault. I remember reading about Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On?" album and how Berry Gordy didn't want to make it because it didn't have any love songs for the ladies. Marvin refused to budge on the project, Gordy distributed the record, and Motown came out with it's most timeless and popular album of that era. The lesson learned is that artists can make music without accommodating the female audience. Men are an audience too. Men like music of different content and substance sometimes.

To my point about the so-called offensive terms: Ice Cube wrote on the N.W.A. record "A Bitch Iz A Bitch," "now the title bitch don't apply to ALL women" which indicates that bitch is not a universal reference toward women in general. He goes on to say "it's like a disease that plagues their character/ taking the women of America/ and it starts with the letter B/ it makes a girl like that think she's better than me." His interpretation of that word refers to women with certain character flaws and attitude problems, not ALL women. So again, if the word doesn't apply, it shouldn't offend.

Now, to my use of the word "weak-minded;" I use that term for the women/men who allow the conservative media & radical feminist agenda shape their opinion of hip hop. The fact is that some hip hop artists and songs don't mention women at all, and yet they are not supported by women in general, and feminists in particular. Listen to Common, Pharoah Monche, The Roots, Talib Kweli, Yasiin Bey, Lupe Fiasco, Rakim, Nitty Scott MC, etc. The mainstream part of hip hop music is not indicative of the whole.

If you don't like Hip Hop and you disagree with me entirely, fine. Go and pick up a pen and paper and write letters to radio & record executives and get them to change the content they play and manufacture.

Again I'm not sure how something that was created and produced for public consumption is above public reproach regardless of its core target audience

Also not sure how the fact that there are women that support misogynistic content makes it any less misogynistic or offensive to others

The verse from cube was not necessary. As I already stated since women are not inherently “bitches" one of the problems with its usage is that song to song, artist to artist we can never differentiate properly on who “deserves” the title and who does not. But what is definite is that the word has traditionally been used to demean women and emasculate me

Not all all hip hop is bad. I listen to Common and Lupe. But like other forms of media, such as tv and film, a lot of Hip hop and RnB that makes the radio and to our tv sets today is misogynistic, explicitly hyper sexual, violent, etc...I would contend that you are deaf and blind if you can't see that

With that said, misogyny is social problem. Its a wider problem with society that manifest it self in different ways in different locations and sub- sections of society. Everybody, including music artists and consumers, contribute to the culture of misogyny in different ways. Thus we all share accountability

It's not a matter of deafness or blindness. I have a filter called Critical Thinking Skills. I know that most art forms and media are neither realistic nor representational of the people it displays. That goes for all forms of media on TV, from the news to the reality TV shows. The content they provide is not for the public good.

If there really was a massive public outrage of this media people would write, petition, protest this media. However, it's the exact opposite. In recent years the media has become more raunchy, risque, and provocative. So either most people have this filter and are not offended, or most people are too stupid to realize the effects that such media has on them, or they are upset at the media but don't want to do anything about it. I don't care which one.

If anyone feels this way, they should pick up a pen and write letters, sign petitions, boycott the manufacturer, turn off the radio (like Ice cube said in 1990), get rid of the TV, read a book, give support to positive media, etc. Otherwise it's just talk.

 

[D. Morgan]

Nobody can deny there is misogyny in a lot music but at the same time consumers need to be held accountable for their actions just as much as the folks trying place blame at the feet of said misogynist.

Fixed that for myself

Right back at'cha!

 

[damobb2deep]

Cause I Be Strokin and Let's Get It On are Christmas carols compared to Juice Box or Back That Azz Up. No Older music is not any better in terms of content older generations overlook their fuckery to chastise up and coming

generations.

Them songs was no where near disrespectful as these new songs.

because you need to be tactful when you disrespect someone?

 

[damobb2deep]

I find the lack of singing more offensive

And since you jungle niggas don't go to church anymore there's a lack of soulfulness

lol @ niggas music losing it's soul cuz they quit singing/worshiping a make believe nigga.

lol like you know he is make believe...

 

[S2J]

Just like gangsta rap of the 90s, they just singin about the environment tbey see

Cant be signing about my baby my angel when aint nothin but trend following dick jumping thoterazzi out here.

That's on the women. Yall post to choose and for years yall lettin any ol nigga shoot that club up

 

[blackrain]

Just like gangsta rap of the 90s, they just singin about the environment tbey see

Cant be signing about my baby my angel when aint nothin but trend following dick jumping thoterazzi out here.

That's on the women. Yall post to choose and for years yall lettin any ol nigga shoot that club up

Groupies ain't new. They been around back in the day too. Again it's not completely the content as it is the presentation of it. People been singing about partying, sex, stealing your woman for years (See all of Joe's biggest hits) but it wasn't presented as "nigga I'm fucking your bitch" with a melody.

 

[Koltrain]

It wouldnt be so much rauchiness in music if there wasnt an audience for it... Its a lot of hoes outchea and social media is giving them that spotlight.... mainstream rap is just a product of the current society (environment)

 

[Trillfate]

New Addition is the bridge between classic r&b and the sexually charged music we have today

Yeah

Candy Girl was raunchy as fuck

I honestly meant Bel Biv Devoe! @Brother_Five

 

[king hassan]

There has always been lude and lascivious lyrics but it wasn't as popular and available.

I know first hand that they were just as bad back in the day. My grandpa sang a song where he changed the words to something that didn't have shit to do with the original. I cant remember what he said exactly but it had to do with rape and tying some woman up. He said they used to sing that shit back in the day in the army.

My grandpa a man of honor, valor and wisdom was singing this shit right at the dinner table like it was 1955.

Me and my sister both were like did anybody else hear this shit?

Man I have a 91 year old patient and the stuff he be singing, he be stage whispering the songs but that shut be OC

 

[Splackavelli]

Are we talking hip hop or r&b?

This just another black ppl r bad thread...

Jazz is the devil

No, it not, you confused negro.

The must has without question gotten more crude and explicit.

what year did this song come out T/S???

how bout this one...



music sure has gotten crude

Man I was in club nikkis atlanta 1998 the first time I heard t shirt and panties ahh memories of a surplus of ass. It's a good fuck song most r nb sounds damn near like gospel music

 

[Splackavelli]

I hear you. music is so filthy these days. I wish we can take it back to the good ol' times when it was more wholesome

lmaaaaooooo

did they say "we gonna trim them hoes in a rockin chair"?

ohhh shit

I found a new catch phrase. Lmao at " fuck , suck and fight at the cocksuckers ball tonight." Look in the column for all the other songs and you'll see a whole list of nasty songs like " my girls pussy" from 1931 and" bone me like you own me" but imma use that for now on out " trim them hoes in a rocking chair"

 

[illedout]

They like it. And im pretty sure the Death Row era was worse

Lol..

Somebody need to post the gif of Suge dancing with that chick while choking the shit out of her..

That shit is Hilarious,

gets me every time..

 

[LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY]

Lecrae is dope

Definitly dope bruh

 

[ChillaDaGawd]

T/S just got hired as a corresponder for Fox News

 

[S2J]

Just like gangsta rap of the 90s, they just singin about the environment tbey see

Cant be signing about my baby my angel when aint nothin but trend following dick jumping thoterazzi out here.

That's on the women. Yall post to choose and for years yall lettin any ol nigga shoot that club up

Groupies ain't new. They been around back in the day too. Again it's not completely the content as it is the presentation of it. People been singing about partying, sex, stealing your woman for years (See all of Joe's biggest hits) but it wasn't presented as "nigga I'm fucking your bitch" with a melody.

Naaaah, bc just like with the hip hop argument when people say 'there's always been remedial music', the difference is back then there was balance

Before there were groupies of course but they were ostracized, groupies were in their place. Groupies were given disparaging nicknames like...Superhead!!!

Now groupies have a voice, groupies are millionaires, groupies are respected, etc. Like my man Chapel said the stock of pussy is plumetting

 

[king hassan]

Just like gangsta rap of the 90s, they just singin about the environment tbey see

Cant be signing about my baby my angel when aint nothin but trend following dick jumping thoterazzi out here.

That's on the women. Yall post to choose and for years yall lettin any ol nigga shoot that club up

Groupies ain't new. They been around back in the day too. Again it's not completely the content as it is the presentation of it. People been singing about partying, sex, stealing your woman for years (See all of Joe's biggest hits) but it wasn't presented as "nigga I'm fucking your bitch" with a melody.

Naaaah, bc just like with the hip hop argument when people say 'there's always been remedial music', the difference is back then there was balance

Before there were groupies of course but they were ostracized, groupies were in their place. Groupies were given disparaging nicknames like...Superhead!!!

Now groupies have a voice, groupies are millionaires, groupies are respected, etc. Like my man Chapel said the stock of pussy is plumetting

 

[Arya Tsaddiq]

Real r&b is still around, the artist just don't get the air time they use to. So the deters good singers from going that route. And this is what we are left with....

 

[S2J]

Real r&b is still around, the artist just don't get the air time they use to. So the deters good singers from going that route. And this is what we are left with....

Good point, bc little did i know but all the grown folk stations pkay all theb"Where are they now' artists and they play them consistently, new music

Avant, jaheim, Kem---nigga every time i switch stations Kem is on with another song... soundin like his other song

Kem will get you some pussy!!!! Kem that nigga

 

[silverfoxx]

Idc

-Pico