Kirby and Lee, The Greatest of All Time

[NAWLEDGE_REIGNS]

Lee And Kirby Should Get This Just For Creating So Many Classic Characters Especailly In The Early 60's But Alan Moore Is The GOAT Comic Book Writer IMO

 

[Maximus Rex]

I also have this poster:

On this one, I want him to put "I created damn near every character on this poster. 'Nuff Said". Stan Lee. Plus Stan Lee's autograph would look the really cool with Clarmont's, Lee's, and Texeria, ( I already had them sign it.

There's also this matter. Way back in the 90's I had a chase to go to a Jack Kirby instore. I should've went simply because it was Jack Kirby. I didn't go for whatever reason. I was like "fuck it." Kirby does instores, so I'll just catch him at the next instore or Woncon. Six months, later I was looking through some Image books I had bought, then I get to "In Memory Of Jack Kirby," ad. I was "Damn, dude was just here." As fucked up as it may sound, being that Stan Lee is hella old, I want to meet him and get his autograph before he dies.

 

[Broddie]

I'm sorry but I can't really put Kirby and Lee in the same class despite their co-creations. Kirby was just way ahead of Lee in terms of imagination and pure creativity. He's more on the level of a Will Eisner.

I mean aside from co-creating Captain America with Joe Simon and then his silver age Marvel work with Lee the man helped bring Sandman into prominence. His revolutionary Manhunter, OMAC and Fourth World work speaks for itself. As does some of the other greatest concepts the comics medium has ever seen like Challengers of the Unknown, Kamandi, The Newsboy Legion and The Demon.

Nobody was more accomplished than the King. This is why next to Grant Morrison he has easily been the most influential comic book creator on my imagination.

 

[Maximus Rex]

I'm sorry but I can't really put Kirby and Lee in the same class despite their co-creations. Kirby was just way ahead of Lee in terms of imagination and pure creativity. He's more on the level of a Will Eisner. I mean aside from co-creating Captain America and his Marvel work with Lee the man helped bring Sandman into prominence. His revolutionary Manhunter, OMAC and Fourth World work. As well as Kamandi, The Newsboy Legion and The Demon. Nobody was more accomplished than the King. This is why next to Grant Morrison he has easily been the most influential comic book creator on my imagination.

Also, there's like that stretch in between the Golden and Silver, that is often slept by a lot of fanboys that is considered Kirby and Simon's as being as one of their most creative when they were doing romance comics.

This is why next to Grant Morrison he has easily been the most influential comic book creator on my imagination.

So you're saying that Grant Morrison is more influential than

Comics equivalent to the Mad Rapper.

Broddie, are you up on Kevin Smith's Fatman on Batman podcasts? Smith did a four interview with Morrison. The nigga Morrison was talking about how he went to Kathmandu, had a spiritual awakening, came home, did some psychedelic drugs, and proceeded to write Batman: Arkham Asylum, The Invisibles and Doom Patrol. I remember when dude was on Animal Man everybody was saying how great that book was and it was something that I've always wanted to read.

 

[Broddie]

So you're saying that Grant Morrison is more influential than

Comics equivalent to the Mad Rapper.

To me personally yes he has been.

I love a lot of Alan Moore's stuff. From Top Ten, Miracleman and Supreme to Tom Strong and of course his landmark DC works like his run on Swamp Thing and Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow. The thing with Moore is as the years have gone by especially his works have just become way too derivative of themselves and he borders on self parody now a days.

Not that it's a bad thing because Alan Moore doing Alan Moore is still better than most other people trying to be Alan Moore. He's just too far into his comfort zone and his bitterness has influenced his later work in such a negative way that it doesn't really resonate with the same sense of wonder and awe that a lot of Morrison's work does.

Morrison always challenges himself and pushes himself out of his comfort zone with a sense of optimism and not pessimism like Moore tends to do. Whether it's handling iconic superheroes like the Batman, X-Men or Superman. More ambitious and out of the box concepts like The Invisibles, WE3, Seaguy and The Filth. Or more obscure characters like Animal Man, Seven Soldiers and the Doom Patrol. A lot of his work does not read the same at all but still unquestionably reads like a labor of love and is definitely on a greater level in terms of imagination and execution than a shitload of his peers.

The way he meticulously works with his artists (to the point of creating layouts himself) and the way he interweaves Eastern philosophy and quantum psychics with more mainstream comic book concepts is second to none; and speaks to me on a greater level because unlike with Moore in my life I actually share a lot of the same wordly ideals and overall outlook on superheroes and the greater comic book medium that Morrison does.

Broddie, are you up on Kevin Smith's Fatman on Batman podcasts? Smith did a four interview with Morrison. The nigga Morrison was talking about how he went to Kathmandu, had a spiritual awakening, came home, did some psychedelic drugs, and proceeded to write Batman: Arkham Asylum, The Invisibles and Doom Patrol. I remember when dude was on Animal Man everybody was saying how great that book was and it was something that I've always wanted to read.

You're doing yourself a huge disservice by not having read his Animal Man run yet. Seriously.

As for Kevin Smith. I grew up on his earlier movies since they came out when I was entering my pre teen to teenage years. However the older I get the more I dislike his views and consider him a bit of a poser. He doesn't have as great an understanding of comic books and film as he likes to make the world think that he does at all and it's that pretentiousness that turns me away from his podcast. I have only heard a couple of episodes like the ones where he watched the older WB Batman movies and the one with Adam West but I've concluded that his show really isn't for me at all.

 

[Maximus Rex]

You're doing yourself a huge disservice by not having read his Animal Man run yet. Seriously.

I'll get around to it. I'm a "completeist," as far as my collecting goes. In other words, I'll buy every issue of every title I collect. Right now I'm on Superman Vol.

As for Kevin Smith. I grew up on his earlier movies since they came out when I was entering my pre teen to teenage years. However the older I get the more I dislike his views and consider him a bit of a poser. He doesn't have as great an understanding of comic books and film as he likes to make the world think that he does at all and it's that pretentiousness that turns me away from his podcast. I have only heard a couple of episodes like the ones where he watched the older WB Batman movies and the one with Adam West but I've concluded that his show really isn't for me at all.

The interviews with Mark Hammil, Bruce Timm, Paul Dini, Jeph Loeb, and Grant Morrison are dope. They talk a lot about their back stories and their creative process.

 

[Lou Cypher]

Animal Man was pretty dope

 

[lord nemesis]

Rob Liefeld is the greatest comic mind in history

 

[Maximus Rex]

Rob Liefeld is the greatest comic mind in history

Word to Eazy Muthafuckin' E.

 

[Goonberg Scandal]

Rob Liefeld is the greatest comic mind in history

Youngblood was a cheap knockoff of The Avengers, yet Rob Liefeld still had niggas checking out for it. Rob created Deadpool, Cable and X-Force. That's enough to make your mark in the industry.

 

[Splackavelli]

Rob Liefeld is the greatest comic mind in history

Youngblood was a cheap knockoff of The Avengers, yet Rob Liefeld still had niggas checking out for it. Rob created Deadpool, Cable and X-Force. That's enough to make your mark in the industry.

yeah but his artwork was craptastic. i don't completely blame him. it was todd mcfarlane who started the trend of drawing grossly disproportioned figures. liefield was just a bad imitator.

 

[Goonberg Scandal]

If you had to pay 400 dollars just to meet Stan Lee, then you got fucked.