Peezy_Jenkins
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Cuz if these niggas sounded just like cudi I'd prolly b one of these "only likes 90's rap" ass niggas
Kid Cudi puts Kanye and Drake in the same box in twitter rant (Kanye Responds "Cudi I Birthed You")
CeLLaR-DooR
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Listen to 808s then listen to 90% of commercial rap today. You'd be a damn liar/hater if you didn't acknowledge the influence.
Peezy_Jenkins
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Peezy_Jenkins;9350522 said:
CeLLaR-DooR;9350572 said:
So future, Migos, Cole , k dot, etc all fall under this too? 90% is a reach, an epic one
sr_the_freshman
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CeLLaR-DooR;9350572 said:
Not only this, but listen to A Kid Named Cudi and then listen to ambient cuts off of So Far Gone (2009) like Houstatlantavegas and Lust for Life. The instrumentals are heavily influenced from the ambiant spacey sound Cudi and Plain Pat pioneered in 2008.
nawledge_god
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Theres Something In The Water In Ohio nh
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Peezy_Jenkins
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U mean the same plain Pat who was already working with ye b4 cudi?
I stand corrected he influenced young thug n/h
nawledge_god;9350596 said:Theres Something In The Water In Ohio nh
I stand corrected he influenced young thug n/h
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sr_the_freshman
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blackrain;9350511 said:sr_the_freshman;9350476 said:blackrain;9350442 said:sr_the_freshman;9350427 said:blackrain;9350381 said:sr_the_freshman;9350279 said:blackrain;9350264 said:sr_the_freshman;9349910 said:He's right, but watch the capes come out for nigga's favorite steroid rapper. Cudi influenced 60% of today's sound, Drizzle Drake included and more recently, Travis Scott..
Inb4 fuck this coke head like you niggas aren't bumpin a lean addict's music.
Sidenote, I know you intuitive niggas are seeing the inside industry upheaval going on. Writers, true artists and MCs are becoming disgruntled. I'm here for the revolution and subsequent witch hunt.
Andre.
PND.
Pete Rock.
Cudi.
Ect.
Ghostwriters been around since the inception of rap music and people have always spoken about it. The niggas doing it and the niggas who have used ghost writers, it's always been there...This ain't new, it ain't no revolution because niggas going to keep cashing those ghost writing checks, and keep moving along.
You keep repeating this shit, and have no evidence.
Kanye is open about his writers.
Drake got exposed and we have full reference tracks.
Until yall can provide full versed reference cuts or SOMETHING outside of first hand accounts about rappers whom arent even considered in the top 5 (IE Dr Dre), then this blanket statement about everyone having writers prior to now has 0 merit. Andre doesn't seem to think so. Neither does any other Hip-Hop head on this site.
I never once said everyone has ghostwriters. Don't try to make an extreme twist on what I said to try and make your point. We've had niggas like Skillz who've been around since the 90's talking about how they're ghostwriters, he's made his whole career being a ghost writer and making those year end wrapups. Jadakiss has said he's written for other artists, and I'm not talking about just Diddy, Beanie Sigel said on the podcast w/ Taxstone he's written for other artists before, there was a thread a few months back with Twista saying he's used ghost written lyrics before, and there's been plenty more to say they've written for other people. The Drake situation is the 1st time we've had reference songs, but it damn sure ain't the first time the topic of rappers having ghost writers has come up before.
Name Names nigga.
I dont give a fuck about the topic coming up. Im talking about actual tangible accounts of niggas considered top tier getting credited for greatness when their pen is in question.
You are still out here with passing anecdotes. Jadakiss wrote for who? Kiss is considered top 10 to some, as is his cohort Styles. Styles just got done saying in his Taxstone he writes his own shit.
Skillz wrote for who?
Was he writing full verses for said who nigga? Did Twista have full verses written like Drake's references?
Is said who niggas considered top tier?
Who?
The only response anyone who's ever said they've ghost wrote for people is "I'm not going to say who I wrote for"...that's the point of being a ghost writer. You don't give up the name of the person you wrote for. You're asking for answers them niggas ain't going to never give. So either you accept that within rap there's always been some rappers who've written for others, or because Drake is the only person who's had reference tracks leak you can think he's the only high level rapper to ever have used a ghost writer...but common sense should tell you by that ain't true.
Wrong. Common sense would tell me that high level rappers would have major leakage in terms of who wrote what just like Kanye if they had writers. And the only 'high level' rapper we hear about is indeed, Kanye and Drake, whom we have droves of evidence.
You had one whimper about Nas, and that was disproven and he vehemently denied it.
Jay to this day is known as the nigga who dont even write because hes to busy freestyling his shit. (See Travis Scott's Hot 97 interview from last week).
Andre just got done saying he writes his own shit.
The Lox writes their own shit as Styles mentioned.
Common's pen has never been questioned.
Lupe's pen has never been questioned.
As a matter of fact, your argument is bullshit because as little as we've heard accounts of ghostwriting in the game? We've heard WAAAY more slander and artists speaking down upon it. So common sense would tell you that it was, at the very least, not popular.'
Just because you hear rumors of some shit does not mean you accept it as industry standard. You address the problem as a lover of the sport / game.
So you're saying the niggas who have came out their mouths and said they've ghost written songs for other people are lying? Media coverage of rap wasn't as intense in the past as it is now in that there was nowhere near as much access to rappers and their creative process as we do now. You weren't getting studio footage of rappers in the mass amount we get now. Many behind the scenes people were just that, behind the scenes. They didn't have twitter and instagram pages to talk about what they were doing, now they do. It's never been accepted as something the best MC's do, but you can go look at any number of interviews rappers have done through the decades and see them being asked about ghost writers and all of them have had a negative reaction to it. Nobody has ever said "Yeah, that shit is cool. Your pen game is still respected"...they've always said there's rappers that use ghost writers, and those rappers aren't truly respected among their peers because it's well known in industry circles who uses them. Again, Drake is the 1st to be exposed on a public level, but to say rappers haven't been talking about other's rappers using ghost writers publicly before this or "as little accounts as we've heard" is showing your own lack of hip hop knowledge.
No dickhead. You are moving the goal post.
At no point have I ever said ghostwriters have never been discussed. That is a non point. If anything, like I said in the last post, it was frowned upon and heavily scoffed at.
The argument is, was it ever accepted and have niggas ever gotten a pass like Drake?
No one is calling Kiss and them liars and your lowkey playing willful ignorance and putting words in my mouth because you have no referential information to debate this shit.
The niggas that they wrote for are non factors in the top 5-10 discussion. That is the point. Unless you can prove otherwise, then you have no argument. We know The Lox wrote for Puff. We don't care because Puff isnt considered top 5.
Do we give a fuck if Lil Uzi is writing for Lil Yachty? Not really, they probably should both be annexed from the game.
Jadakiss writing for Jay-Z? Another story entirely. But if niggas as high caliber as Hov had ghostwriters, it would have been exposed by now. He in particularly has too many enemies which only adds credence to my argument.
How do you know they're non factors if they've never revealed who they've written for? I already said when Kiss has talked about ghost writing he said he's done it for more people than just Diddy. I'm not moving the goal post you're just not getting that this revolution you think is happening and the fact that one of the most popular rappers in the game at the moment has used ghost writers is something new when for decades now rappers have been doing interviews saying that popular rappers in the past have used ghost writers. Being that it's never been exposed to this level before even though it's always been actively frowned upon the fact that nobody has been exposed on this level before means that yes, it was getting a "pass" because no ghost writer wanted to fuck up their money and out who they were writing for.
andre_1024
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As a Cudi fan, just get back to making dope music man.
He always has good points in these rants but always comes off as bitching and whining.
He always has good points in these rants but always comes off as bitching and whining.
sr_the_freshman
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blackrain;9350630 said:
How do you know they are? There is more credence to think that they weren't because of the shit I just mentioned.
I'm not acting on assumptions. I'm acting on what information we have, and the status quo of past times.
You are acting on an assumption.
Once again, @ bolded who? This time your implying that said acts were popular. No names? No debate.
Edit: Also, Your failing to realize that niggas who are considered top 5 outside of the late BIG and Pac are still popular today. So yes, if an exposure was going to happen, we've had years to see it done. All the niggas I named have been hot for years.
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sr_the_freshman
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Peezy_Jenkins;9350604 said:
Has nothing to do with the sound of those So Far Gone cuts sounding like Cudi's shit.
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IceBergTaylor
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Niggas must have missed the part where it's been mentioned 808s is basically a Cudi album curated by Kanye
sr_the_freshman;9350646 said:
If you keep saying no names, no debate then you are pretty much saying that rappers like Kiss, Sigel, Jay, etc who've openly said they've ghost written songs are lying then because they've given no names about who they've written for. No rapper has ever come out and blatantly said who they've written for, as you said before nobody counts Dre or Puffy, so using your logic they're just lying about being ghost writers. You're asking for answers the very people who say they're doing the writing have also said they won't ever reveal
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sr_the_freshman
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blackrain;9350717 said:
Willful ignorance. No. That is not what I'm saying.
Stop reaching. I am saying that, with no names provided, there can be no argument about the caliber of MC they are allegedly ghostwriting for. And unless they are writing for the the type of niggas I listed, then it doesn't matter nearly as much as a Drake / Kanye situation. And if they indeed were writing for the type of niggas I listed, there would have been some kind of leak by now as has been openly shared within Kanye's camp, or exposure style like Drake. All top 5 candidates are alive and well in this social media age, save for 2 or 3 God rest their soul. That is the bottom line.
You have literally nothing to argue with dawg. You out here lookin like this.
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Peezy_Jenkins
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sr_the_freshman;9350668 said:
I'm just seeing if it's possible ye influenced cudi instead of the other way around like y'all are saying, I mean pats work with ye came b4 cudi just like cudi shit came (or was released at least) b4 so far gone
Peezy_Jenkins
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BTW for those who keep saying cudi wrote the whole 808's. I may b missing something perhaps u can school me. But y is cudi only credited on 4 tracks? And b4 u say "that's y it's called ghostwriting dummy", y is he credited on 3 tracks he has no vocals on?
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