Kevin Kolb has a concussion....welcome to The Michael Vick Show

[tru_m.a.c]

you niggas are crazy if you thought that Kolb vs Vick was a fair competition

Kolb has been handed the keys to drive since day 1.

McNabb had to watch his back. Vick will "never be good enough." At some point you have to admit that Vick has to play like God in order to start over Kolb, while Kolb only has to play moderately well to fend off Vick.

 

[bow to royalty]

you niggas are crazy if you thought that Kolb vs Vick was a fair competition

Kolb has been handed the keys to drive since day 1.

McNabb had to watch his back. Vick will "never be good enough." At some point you have to admit that Vick has to play like God in order to start over Kolb, while Kolb only has to play moderately well to fend off Vick.

I'm not talkin shit bout ur opinion cuz ur not the only one who thinks that. What I'm asking is what do you think the Eagles gain by starting worse players? Shit, if Vick's good and they still want Kolb as their QB start Vick for a season, let him raise his value and trade him for a good player/pick then still have Kolb as ur QB the next season.

 

[5th Letter]

lol @ people completely writing off Kolb after 1 half of bad football against a great defense that was studying his 300 yd game tapes religiously

gonna take more than that for Reid to dump him

smh @ Vick being scared to run it in & that stupid ass SHOTGUN FORMATION qb sneak

Terrible excuse @ the bold. I'm not gonna write him off just yet but he should have at least began the season with a better performance than that.

 

[hood president]

The west coast offense Philly Runs Seems o fit Vick more than the one he ran under Jim Mora Jr. Andy Reid despite his sometime questionable playcalling and time management is a good coach and goes great with Vick just like Dan Reeves did. Yes, if a defense has time to prepair for Vick a week before then game you can say it might be differently but at the same time Andy reid might open the play book up. I think mike vick will still be good as a starting quarterback despite what the defense studies. Maybe not 175 passing yards IN A HALF good but still solid.

HOWEVER they need togivew Kolb 1-3 more games to start and in those games give kolb into a rhythm and flow of the game and then insert my vick like they did last year with Mcnabb. If kolb continues to struggle THEN you can make Vick a starter. If Kolb DONT struggle then you keep Vick as a wildcat and Vick will get an oppurtunity to get a starting job on another team.

But im happy we talking bout football and not that "other" stuff in terms of vick.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

I'm not talkin shit bout ur opinion cuz ur not the only one who thinks that. What I'm asking is what do you think the Eagles gain by starting worse players? Shit, if Vick's good and they still want Kolb as their QB start Vick for a season, let him raise his value and trade him for a good player/pick then still have Kolb as ur QB the next season.

This is a good question. One that seems to go unanswered in football. Nobody believes that GM's and coaches can have ego's when it comes to coaching football. But as the 49ers organization proved, that's false.

Real unbiased eagles fans would tell you that Andy Reid should've been fired before McNabb. All of the blame that gets tossed the eagles way, none of it ever lands on the coaches.

When organization draft "their guy" they do everything in their power to start them. Ask any team with a 1st or 2nd round draft pick that's sucking ass right now but won't be benched.

 

[shootemwon]

I said last year, not the year before. People may have gotten over it, but a lotttt of people weren't such big Mcnabb fans after they lost that playoff game to the Cowboys. That's the blind faith in Vick I'm talking about though. I saw Kolb come in last year and play well. I haven't (and neither has anyone else) seen Vick play a whole game in YEARS, but he should be bumped up to number 2 on the depth chart? If that's your opinion, then it's your opinion...but what I'm asking you is based on what? Cuz he went to the playoffs with another team, in another system, years ago?

I'm not personally saying I had reason to believe he should have been awarded the number 2 spot last year, just illustrating that there was never a big sentiment among Eagles fans eager to make Kolb the starter.

What I am saying is that he looks much more like starter material than Kolb does for this season. Regardless of what defense was ready for, he looked so much more prepared and up to the task than Kolb ever did. And like I said before, the one time last season when they let him actually take the reigns during a drive and not just come in for one isolated play, he looked quite impressive then too. I'm no expert. There's much that I don't know. But going off what I can see, Vick is the guy who will make things happen for this Eagles team.

 

[bow to royalty]

I'm not personally saying I had reason to believe he should have been awarded the number 2 spot last year, just illustrating that there was never a big sentiment among Eagles fans eager to make Kolb the starter.

What I am saying is that he looks much more like starter material than Kolb does for this season. Regardless of what defense was ready for, he looked so much more prepared and up to the task than Kolb ever did. And like I said before, the one time last season when they let him actually take the reigns during a drive and not just come in for one isolated play, he looked quite impressive then too. I'm no expert. There's much that I don't know. But going off what I can see, Vick is the guy who will make things happen for this Eagles team.

I see what you're saying but you gotta take more into consideration than just each player getting a half. And I don't blame Kolb too much today...the Eagles O-line was playin horribly. I guess if that'll b the way they play all season than the more mobile Vick would be the better fit...but not the better QB. Brady and Manning woulda gotten smashed back there too.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

I see what you're saying but you gotta take more into consideration than just each player getting a half. And I don't blame Kolb too much today...the Eagles O-line was playin horribly. I guess if that'll b the way they play all season than the more mobile Vick would be the better fit...but not the better QB. Brady and Manning woulda gotten smashed back there too.

so doesn't that make him the better qb

think about what you just said. Kolb lacks the mobility that the eagles need due to a wack O line. Vick provides veteran leadership and the better fit that makes the Eagles a winning team.

but you rather have the qb who's better in practice???

 

[rakim ii]

Is it just me or does it seem like them niggas on the Eagles play harder for Vick than they do for Kolb?

At the end of the day McNabb is the big winner as of now.

 

[one_manshow]

Only one game and everyone ready to make conclusions Vick needs to prove himself and Kolb didn't play a full game ..calm down grab some popcorn and do an assessment 4-5 games into the season.

 

[Swiffness!]

just illustrating that there was never a big sentiment among Eagles fans eager to make Kolb the starter.

man, people were sick of McNabb. they knew he was gonna get hurt, knew he was gonna say some stupid passive aggressive shit off the field, knew he'd throw 200mph lasers at the receiver's feet, knew he'd have a couple really good games, knew he'd look fuckin helpless in that final post-season drive.

 

[iamkang]

Damn tru mac got good points but that AV is too fuccin gay for me to agree wit him

 

[bow to royalty]

so doesn't that make him the better qb

think about what you just said. Kolb lacks the mobility that the eagles need due to a wack O line. Vick provides veteran leadership and the better fit that makes the Eagles a winning team.

but you rather have the qb who's better in practice???

No, cuz like I said Brady and Manning would have failed there too because the O-Line was playin really bad. They're waaaay better QB's than Vick. He would just be a better fit on a team where running a lot is necessary

 

[DrMindbender122]

Reid seems certain to bring Kolb back as soon as he's healthy enough to play again. Too bad. I BEEN saying that Vick is the guy who needs to be our starter.

I don't remember the exact details, but the final game we played last season, I know Vick came in for a drive and looked great. And today, he came in and looked amazing. Whether people wanna accept it or not, we have seen the new Mike Vick, and he's still a great QB.

Unfortunately, the Eagles have invested a lot into building their offense around Kolb as the new QB, and they seem to be too bought into him to change gears, at least yet. The other issue I could see is that, at age 30, Vick's double-threat as a lighting-fast runner can't keep up for more than a couple years. With all they've put into Kolb, I dunno if they'll bench the dude, putting his future with the franchise at risk, only to see Vick lose his edge in the next season or two and be left with nothing.

But I still say FUCK ALL OF THAT. This is the NFL. It's the highest level of the sport. The ultimate meritocracy. Doesn't matter how much they've invested in their plan for Kolb. That shit don't seem to be working, and letting Vick take the lead IS working. Do what works, not just what you thought was gonna work.

Not to mention, THIS IS PHILADELPHIA after all. If Vick keeps showing that he's got the right stuff, they'll boo the hell out of Kolb when he returns. I feel bad for the guy, but that's the reality in Philly.

U ain't neva lie about anything u just said. We Philly fans go hardbody when it comes to our town's sports teams.

Kolb better grow some thick skin in a hurry. The boos aren't what he has to worry about; his ass better hope he doesn't get the infamous "Santa Claus" treatment and get some batteries tossed @ his head by the fans.

 

[mindright]

Vick looked real good last yesterday, I can't even fake...

reminded me of ol skool Vick, just so exciting to watch...

Even though they lost, Vick just reminded me that there is only one Mike Vick........everyone else just doesn't measure up..

 

[tru_m.a.c]

No, cuz like I said Brady and Manning would have failed there too because the O-Line was playin really bad. They're waaaay better QB's than Vick. He would just be a better fit on a team where running a lot is necessary

ok but we're not talking about Brady/Manning. You cannot use outliers to make a point. Brady and Manning would NOT have failed like Kolb did. The reason being is the veteran leadership and ability to command the game. The difference in Kolb and Vick wasn't just the statistical performance. It was the command of the huddle. The apprehension that grew on defenders. Kolb never had the chance to win that game....no bias....just pencil this season in for that nigga.

But you missed my point about me using the better fit analogy. In essence what I was saying was if you yourself admit that the eagles O line sucks, y would you start Kolb over Vick at any point during the season. Please answer that question.....

 

[playmaker88]

Facts:

-Kevin Kolb was never giving the Eagles a better chance to win that Donovan
-He is Unproven
-He was handed the keys to the car with out a proper test drive
-He doesnt give you a better chance on any given play than Vick
-Vick wins games..

and Vick had it in back of head .. to be what they want him to be rathe than wha he is.. on that play he could have ran into the endzone

 

[bow to royalty]

ok but we're not talking about Brady/Manning. You cannot use outliers to make a point. Brady and Manning would NOT have failed like Kolb did. The reason being is the veteran leadership and ability to command the game. The difference in Kolb and Vick wasn't just the statistical performance. It was the command of the huddle. The apprehension that grew on defenders. Kolb never had the chance to win that game....no bias....just pencil this season in for that nigga.

But you missed my point about me using the better fit analogy. In essence what I was saying was if you yourself admit that the eagles O line sucks, y would you start Kolb over Vick at any point during the season. Please answer that question.....

I'm not using outlierss. I was saying that wasn't a scenario to say who's the better QB. But they would lose..look at Pats superbowl when Brady's line wasn't blocking for him, and Colts vs Chargers used to always have peyton beat cuz they stayed putting pressure on him. And i'm not necessarily sayin Kolb over Vick. I'm sayin Vick hasn't done enuff to prove himself as the clear starter. But putting in Vick for Kolb cuz of the shitty line isn't a good idea because you're not fixing your problem...you're just trying to dodge it. They need to work on the offensive line.

But like I was saying about game planning. The D line for Kolb rushes in hard and makes him move, trying to apply pressure. For Vick you play contain, and don't let him break to the outside on you. Packers played right into his hands. Let's give teams time to analyze Vick's play, and know he's gonna be starting before we talk about how great he is.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

If it's hating it has to be false. And what he said is right.

Vick came in and went against the Packers game plan to stop the pass. He runs so they had to adjust to him and they didn't. Next week if Vick starts I guarantee he doesn't put up solid numbers.

Did you actually watch the game? The Packers couldn't stop Vick's passing either. Ya'll need to quit hating. Dude threw for 175 yards and ran for 100+ in a HALF. I don't care whether Green Bay watched tape or not, that is impressive. He was running and passing on them at will.

That said, no one should go overboard on the Vick praise. He's always been wishy washy. He'd have a magical game one week and then look horrible the next. It really depends on what type of defense he's up against and where his mind is at. I will say one thing though. He looked good yesterday because the receivers actually caught the ball. He put the same unecessary strength on some of those passes yesterday that he did in ATL. The difference is the receivers still caught them, whereas in ATL they were usually dropped. All Vick ever needed was some decent receivers and a coaching staff that would tailor its offensive style to him rather than expecting him to adapt to their style. If Philly provides that, Vick could be good, not great, but you'd see a lot of what you saw yesterday.

 

[playmaker88]

Did you actually watch the game? The Packers couldn't stop Vick's passing either. Ya'll need to quit hating. Dude threw for 175 yards and ran for 100+ in a HALF. I don't care whether Green Bay watched tape or not, that is impressive. He was running and passing on them at will.

That said, no one should go overboard on the Vick praise. He's always been wishy washy. He'd have a magical game one week and then look horrible the next. It really depends on what type of defense he's up against and where his mind is at. I will say one thing though. He looked good yesterday because the receivers actually caught the ball. He put the same unecessary strength on some of those passes yesterday that he did in ATL. The difference is the receivers still caught them, whereas in ATL they were usually dropped. All Vick ever needed was some decent receivers and a coaching staff that would tailor its offensive style to him rather than expecting him to adapt to their style. If Philly provides that, Vick could be good, not great, but you'd see a lot of what you saw yesterday.

yup basically and a consistency in coach.. look at his ATL years. they changed offensive coordinators like clothes... every qb needs consitency..

Dont say the bolded to loud.. because people seem to think vicks just through astray.. idk if they are regurgitating shit they heard or was it revisionist history.. i know i wasnt the only one who knew this.