Kendrick Lamar vs BIG K.R.I.T. ...who will be more relevant 5 years from now...

[BobOblah]

Kendrick has at least one classic and is more popular, yes. He's on another level in terms of fame and maybe acclaim. But if you're talking skills as an MC and just making good music, I don't get the idea that he's "on another level" when compared to Cole and Krit

 

[_Goldie_]

Peezy in here buggin lol. When GKMC dropped damn near everybody was calling it an instant classic, to the point in every interview he had to keep saying "give it time" and he felt it was too early for everybody to be calling it a classic.

 

[(Nope)]

i dont have a narrative, im just not gonna over hype shit.

no diss but ur response is almost laughable. what are these pieces that had to come together, being mentored by dre? gkmc is a nice album in 2012, but i wouldnt say define that year. accepted praised and promoted by rap greats? oh u mean just like every other rapper mentioned in this thread? universal acclaim, we've been thru that one.. getting an apology from macklemore is impact now? lmao... widely anticipated, just like albums from every other rappers mentioned in here(drake and cole especially).... ONE song sung at a protest, that isnt even on the album with such an impact...ok i guess... kendrick did reinvigorate the west, but boosting dre and straight outta compton, HA!!!!!! and u say my thoughts are anecdotal...

im not ignoring the climate of anything, as a forecaster fans like your self are just reporting shit that aint happening...

hey if u think gkmc is classic cool(that should really be the main factor anyway) but its time for yall to chill with the over hype, its disgusting. they played a song from the recession when we got a black president and niggas dont say shit as crazy...if in came i here and said "krit changed the worlds view on tellin stories about cars forever! his songs played from caprices pulling up to the protest!!" would that be "game shifting impact"?

imo its just a good album and it isnt killing any of his peers best albums(except prolly cole's). he didnt necessarily influence a song style or way of rapping, he hasnt received acclaim that is so far and ahead of his peers

You can make false equivalency's in relation to Jeezy or Krit, but that shit doesn't hold weight. Moreover, if you were going to talk classics and impact you could have just brought up Jeezy's first joint and all the Snowman shit that accompanied it. I'm from the East and the streets were crazy when that shit dropped. That shit was impactful. Kendrick had that same impact and everything he's done since--including the Control verse which was some real mediocre shit--has changed the climate of hip hop. Cole basically had an omage to Kendrick on his album. I don't know how old you are, but never in my life have I seen a rapper apologize to another rapper for receiving a grammy. I don't care who the fuck he is. But again, you need shit to fit your narrative of "they are just great albums and Kendrick's shit is "overhyped."" Well, he has lived up to every bit of the hype, so the shit is deserved. Does he have the machine behind him? Maybe, but he's not making music that the machine is apt to push. He isn't Drake. If you think he's "overhyped" so be it, I don't need to change your opinion. I threw some wild examples at you because there is a correlate there, but I did that shit respectfully. If you want to discuss the shit cool. But any argument that starts with "your opinion is laughable" followed by some more logical fallacys I'm not going for. And you feeling the way you do about Kendrick is anecdotal because he has achieved far more than you are giving him credit for (and likely less than I did in my last posting.)

 

[(Nope)]

Also, Krit let me down. He murders features, but his albums are an acquired taste and I hate to agree with S2J, but the appeal is mostly regional. Doing shows overseas is the move if your job title is rapper, but they eat shit up outside of the states. That shit is like ball players who are good going overseas to play because they just aren't good enough to be great in the NBA.

 

[nickel-us P]

I loved cadillactica but let's be real. Kendrick made more noise

 

[IceBergTaylor]

Whoa kendrick didn't resurrect Dre or the West. SOC wouldn't have had the success it did without Kendrick?!?

See this is the shit I'm talkin about when I say dude is hypebeast. He did all that?????

Yo homie explain this tho

 

[Turfaholic]

3 years later and K.R.I.T. still irrelevant.

u been sayin a lotta dumb ass shit lately fam. irrelevant is first week sales like troy ass or dj khaled. niggas on here love lupe and wouldnt dare call him irrelevant and krit out doin him in the mid 2010's. just sayin

Bruh if KRIT wasn't from your neck of the woods you wouldn't cape as hard for him. Let's just keep this shit a hunnet. And to keep it a hunnet I've haven't seen Lupe get shine outside of the internet since his song with Trey Songz. That nigga irrelevant to the average listener as well. Nobody in the barber shops talking about Lupe or KRIT. Nobody DJing the club bumping KRIT or Lupe. Its just a select few of yall riding and bumping that. And this is a point where sells can come into play and back up this statement.

 

[ericb4prez]

Did this nigga jus say he let the Source tell him what good music was?

 

[S2J]

Did this nigga jus say he let the Source tell him what good music was?

The Source didnt tell me shit nigga.

Rather, the Source echoed the streets which, before this fuckery we have now, is what mattered

Like i said before in another thread. ..Any nigga who discredits the Source in its prime is a culture vulture, youngin, or was a lame back them

PERIOD

The Source was an accurate representation of consensus, which when dealing with something as subjective as music that's the best you could ask for.

If the Source was around---or if we still had a hold on our shit--- niggas couldn't get away with calling Yeezus classic. Or FHD bein classic...or Project Pat having a CLASSIC ..if you dont know that i dont recognize you

 

[BDBIID]

Source as the standard again would open a Conundrum of its own.

Back in the day the heads involved in deeming what was a classic were OF THAT generation. They were of the same generation the artists were pretty much. The music resonated on a personal level. The tastemakers.

If the Source was still the standard they'd have a bunch of the oldheads who have no personal connection to the music of the generation. Nostalgia would cloud, So shit would get skewed.

Don't want to make it personal but my pops for instance was heavily connected to the Rakim, Kane, LL era. A young adult then so by the time it's became the 90's era he was an oldhead. 90 cats to him as a whole is just aight the way S2J and others marginalize the cats now. Like he'll give props to a guy here and there but they not really nice per se.

At the end of the day some of you niggas just won't get it. It is what it is. You'll just have to howl at the moon.

 

[CJ]

Source as the standard again would open a Conundrum of its own.

Back in the day the heads involved in deeming what was a classic were OF THAT generation. They were of the same generation the artists were pretty much. The music resonated on a personal level. The tastemakers.

If the Source was still the standard they'd have a bunch of the oldheads who have no personal connection to the music of the generation. Nostalgia would cloud, So shit would get skewed.

Don't want to make it personal but my pops for instance was heavily connected to the Rakim, Kane, LL era. A young adult then so by the time it's became the 90's era he was an oldhead. 90 cats to him as a whole is just aight the way S2J and others marginalize the cats now. Like he'll give props to a guy here and there but they not really nice per se.

At the end of the day some of you niggas just won't get it. It is what it is. You'll just have to howl at the moon.

This

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Did this nigga jus say he let the Source tell him what good music was?

The Source didnt tell me shit nigga.

Rather, the Source echoed the streets which, before this fuckery we have now, is what mattered

Like i said before in another thread. ..Any nigga who discredits the Source in its prime is a culture vulture, youngin, or was a lame back them

PERIOD

The Source was an accurate representation of consensus, which when dealing with something as subjective as music that's the best you could ask for.

If the Source was around---or if we still had a hold on our shit--- niggas couldn't get away with calling Yeezus classic. Or FHD bein classic...or Project Pat having a CLASSIC ..if you dont know that i dont recognize you

ya niggas was bumping Lil Kim like that huh

 

[S2J]

Did this nigga jus say he let the Source tell him what good music was?

The Source didnt tell me shit nigga.

Rather, the Source echoed the streets which, before this fuckery we have now, is what mattered

Like i said before in another thread. ..Any nigga who discredits the Source in its prime is a culture vulture, youngin, or was a lame back them

PERIOD

The Source was an accurate representation of consensus, which when dealing with something as subjective as music that's the best you could ask for.

If the Source was around---or if we still had a hold on our shit--- niggas couldn't get away with calling Yeezus classic. Or FHD bein classic...or Project Pat having a CLASSIC ..if you dont know that i dont recognize you

ya niggas was bumping Lil Kim like that huh

...

Like i said before in another thread. ..Any nigga who discredits the Source in its prime is a culture vulture, youngin, or was a lame back then

 

[StillFaggyAF]

ol bzzzzzz put a hex on the whole family ass nigga

 

[ericb4prez]

Not discrediting the Source but I ain't gon let an outside opinion determine what I think a classic album is cuz lets be real if it still existed today considering they "echoed the streets" and gave DS2 five mics niggaz would have a problem wit it

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

Peezy in here buggin lol. When GKMC dropped damn near everybody was calling it an instant classic, to the point in every interview he had to keep saying "give it time" and he felt it was too early for everybody to be calling it a classic.

how im buggin, i said what u just said, everybody rushed to call it a classic. Niggas threw away the "give it time" just to rush to call it classic, just cuz the ic hypebeast it tho, doesnt make it classic. this the same ic that hype lloyd banks and joey badass too...

gkmc is a good album if u personally think its classic cool, imo like i stated neither of em have "classics". the best would be NEAR classic shit like R4 imo.

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

i dont have a narrative, im just not gonna over hype shit.

no diss but ur response is almost laughable. what are these pieces that had to come together, being mentored by dre? gkmc is a nice album in 2012, but i wouldnt say define that year. accepted praised and promoted by rap greats? oh u mean just like every other rapper mentioned in this thread? universal acclaim, we've been thru that one.. getting an apology from macklemore is impact now? lmao... widely anticipated, just like albums from every other rappers mentioned in here(drake and cole especially).... ONE song sung at a protest, that isnt even on the album with such an impact...ok i guess... kendrick did reinvigorate the west, but boosting dre and straight outta compton, HA!!!!!! and u say my thoughts are anecdotal...

im not ignoring the climate of anything, as a forecaster fans like your self are just reporting shit that aint happening...

hey if u think gkmc is classic cool(that should really be the main factor anyway) but its time for yall to chill with the over hype, its disgusting. they played a song from the recession when we got a black president and niggas dont say shit as crazy...if in came i here and said "krit changed the worlds view on tellin stories about cars forever! his songs played from caprices pulling up to the protest!!" would that be "game shifting impact"?

imo its just a good album and it isnt killing any of his peers best albums(except prolly cole's). he didnt necessarily influence a song style or way of rapping, he hasnt received acclaim that is so far and ahead of his peers

You can make false equivalency's in relation to Jeezy or Krit, but that shit doesn't hold weight. Moreover, if you were going to talk classics and impact you could have just brought up Jeezy's first joint and all the Snowman shit that accompanied it. I'm from the East and the streets were crazy when that shit dropped. That shit was impactful. Kendrick had that same impact and everything he's done since--including the Control verse which was some real mediocre shit--has changed the climate of hip hop. Cole basically had an omage to Kendrick on his album. I don't know how old you are, but never in my life have I seen a rapper apologize to another rapper for receiving a grammy. I don't care who the fuck he is. But again, you need shit to fit your narrative of "they are just great albums and Kendrick's shit is "overhyped."" Well, he has lived up to every bit of the hype, so the shit is deserved. Does he have the machine behind him? Maybe, but he's not making music that the machine is apt to push. He isn't Drake. If you think he's "overhyped" so be it, I don't need to change your opinion. I threw some wild examples at you because there is a correlate there, but I did that shit respectfully. If you want to discuss the shit cool. But any argument that starts with "your opinion is laughable" followed by some more logical fallacys I'm not going for. And you feeling the way you do about Kendrick is anecdotal because he has achieved far more than you are giving him credit for (and likely less than I did in my last posting.)

bruh, making macklemore apologize is not impact. kendrick got a song played at a protest, that is not quite taking over the streets like the snowman shit. he achieved far more than i give him credit for? i give him credit for good music and selling. is that not EXACTLY what he has done??!! the overhype is this imaginary impact u niggas say he has, and yall acting like he is far and above his peers skill wise. FALSEATIVITY. you can type all that all u want but its ridiculous and a reach fam. all due respect.

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

3 years later and K.R.I.T. still irrelevant.

u been sayin a lotta dumb ass shit lately fam. irrelevant is first week sales like troy ass or dj khaled. niggas on here love lupe and wouldnt dare call him irrelevant and krit out doin him in the mid 2010's. just sayin

Bruh if KRIT wasn't from your neck of the woods you wouldn't cape as hard for him. Let's just keep this shit a hunnet. And to keep it a hunnet I've haven't seen Lupe get shine outside of the internet since his song with Trey Songz. That nigga irrelevant to the average listener as well. Nobody in the barber shops talking about Lupe or KRIT. Nobody DJing the club bumping KRIT or Lupe. Its just a select few of yall riding and bumping that. And this is a point where sells can come into play and back up this statement.

bruh when i first heard of krit and got into him i aint even know he was from the sip!!!

yall call top 5 album debuts irrelevant now? who give a fuck what niggas in the barber shop talkin bout, its just a select few, yet them niggas still at least moving 100,000 in today's climate, when the niggas "being talked about in the barbershop" DONT MOVE SHIT. cuz lets keep it a hunnit, kendrick, cole, wale, drake aint being discussed in the barbershops either, FOH bruh lol

Also, Krit let me down. He murders features, but his albums are an acquired taste and I hate to agree with S2J, but the appeal is mostly regional. Doing shows overseas is the move if your job title is rapper, but they eat shit up outside of the states. That shit is like ball players who are good going overseas to play because they just aren't good enough to be great in the NBA.

yall got on krit for being local, now he a d-league player for not being local lmaoooo

Source as the standard again would open a Conundrum of its own.

Back in the day the heads involved in deeming what was a classic were OF THAT generation. They were of the same generation the artists were pretty much. The music resonated on a personal level. The tastemakers.

If the Source was still the standard they'd have a bunch of the oldheads who have no personal connection to the music of the generation. Nostalgia would cloud, So shit would get skewed.

Don't want to make it personal but my pops for instance was heavily connected to the Rakim, Kane, LL era. A young adult then so by the time it's became the 90's era he was an oldhead. 90 cats to him as a whole is just aight the way S2J and others marginalize the cats now. Like he'll give props to a guy here and there but they not really nice per se.

At the end of the day some of you niggas just won't get it. It is what it is. You'll just have to howl at the moon.

great post b, for real tho niggas need to get the fuck on wit that "having ahold of our shit" elitist bullshit.

With KRIT I feel that his production carries him more than anything cuz his lyricism aint all that. Give 6 or 7 years for a new wave and rap and someone will fill his void. KRIT will forever be on the underground. Doesn't mean he can't still be a legend tho.

I dont think Kendrick is overhyped at all, GKMC is a classic and whether yall like it or not TPAB is too. Those are 2 extremely strong pieces of work that neither KRIT, Cole, Wale, Drake or Flacko have (peep the reviews and ratings online too). It's similar to Illmatic & IWW to the NEW younger generation of fans. Kendrick not scared to toe the line between being a conscious MC, commercial and being real af which is very rare nowadays. He doesn't put it on twitter he puts it in music. On top of that he's won 2 grammies (to Drake's one). With all that going for him he's self made and HASN'T even used his Dr.Dre or Black Hippy cheat code yet so imagine when he does. It's what he's done and the potential he has that makes him so revered.

Drake you could argue is overrated but Kendrick Lamar ? Iuno if that's the Reason finally turning on him or niggas feeling like they favourites should be above him....

theres nothing that distinguishes kendrick as that much better than krit lyrically. and i refused to call any albums classic cuz others said it is. plus krit has very strong reviews and ratings too but niggas act like they cant understand the story he was tryna tell. and people keep talkin bout this dr dre code, hasnt he already used it? lol how do we kno the music wont suck when he does?

i think kendrick is among the best out, but he is very overhyped, on here at least. on my personal networks he gets his proper due and its someone like j. cole who is overhyped. there's nothing that separates either of them from his peers other than yall like em more. the others may SELL more, but hell vanilla ice sold more than his peers, that didnt make him better did it? so i dont get why people act like krit cant be in the league and go to sales, and when they try to say lyrically or substance wise they cant bring anything that separates him

 

[Turfaholic]

I just had to Google this shit. Cadillactica hasn't moved 100,000 units. Nigga debuted at 5 on the Billboard top 200 with 44,000 sold the first week then dropped to number 43 the second week. That's impressive none the less. And nobody talking bout Kendrick in the Barbershops?

Negro please (Nas voice). When Kendrick dropped his Control verse my personal circle was all over that shit. Biggest thing in Hip Hop since was Meek vs Drake. Gotta give this nigga Peezy praise. Homie is a Top 3 fan on the reason behind Riddlerap & that Ethiopian from Sweden who claims St. Louis and loves Nas.

 

[Turfaholic]

Hell the white boy from Oakland G-Eazy did 47,000 albums his first week with far less buzz than KRIT. And no sales does not equal quality, but it shows that KRIT isn't even in J. Cole or Kendrick backseat yet.

Asap Rocky did 147,000 his first week with At.Long.Last.ASAP.

Big Sean did 137,000 with Dark Skies Paradise.

Get this nigga KRIT all the fuckin way outta here.