Katt Williams says ancestors were cowards for accepting slavery. Right or wrong?

[ghostdog56]

I remember a teacher saying this in so many words. She highlighted how the Native Americans weren't enslaved because at any given moment they would cut off their own limbs to get free. Basically, it made it impossible to make them slaves. She didn't go further just kinda left the lecture on a "Freedom has a step price; some people are more willing to pay for it than others."

On the flip side, I know he's looking at the situation myopically. Plenty of slaves died for freedom as opposed to serving, but everybody ain't built for death. The survivors now may have been part of revolutions that just got snuffed out or, like dude said, not been enslaved around militant slaves who knew how to organize.

Either way, not all the way wrong but not all the way right.

Native Americans were dying from blankets with small pox and other diseases Europeans were bringing over to America, so native Americans being slaves in the long run was not feasible.

Plus they knew the land so escaping wouldn't have been a problem

 

[A Talented One]

Double.

 

[A Talented One]

FUCK the T/s. If I ever see him, it's on. No questions asked.

 

[R0mp]

Not all of our ancestors just sat there and allowed themselves to be taken advantage of; they fought back and died.

Fear is a powerful tool though.

 

[smp4life]

I wish we had a time machine so we could send Katt back there and see how he deals with slavery. Dumb comment.

 

[smp4life]

Sometimes you have to just survive and bide your time. Most ppl with do anything to survive. I don't think it's cowardly, it's just human. If aliens came from outer space with advanced technology and said "we're going to eradicate anyone that does not submit to being our slave" what do you think would happen? Yes, there would be a small percentage that would choose death, but I think a larger number would want to survive.

 

[ghostdog56]

Lol most of you niggas won't even stand up to your white boss but you would go all django on a slave master the majority of you would talk big shit behind massa back but when it's time to stand and fight

 

[Will Munny]

I hate when people be like 'Shit if I was alive back then, I wouldn't have been no slave! They woulda had to kill me!'. It's very easy to say that these days, having never experienced anything remotely close to slavery.

But if you were born a slave - having never known anything else...nigga you just would have been a slave. That's that.

Like I said before, how do you explain Spartans, Haitians, maroons in the caribbean and South America etc.? They fought eventhough they were born into slavery. I know it's hard to admit, but I think you should come to grips with the fact the overwhelming majority of your ancestors were slaves. We can't fight against facts, even if the truth hurts sometimes...

Spartans were slavers. Did you mean Spartacus?

 

[StillFaggyAF]

^not all of those were in The US

Not all, but you do understand that the US was established in 1776.....

& Several states had yet to be incorporated......

Spanish Florida/ New Spain is now Florida. ...

Orleans Provence is Louisiana.....

Indian Territory is now Oklahoma. .....

I know that....but the list include Jamaica Mexico and Barbados and others on there

I'm bored & some of these niggas need schooling, so....

Out of 24 documented rebellions from the sixteenth century throughout the nineteenth.......

5 occurred outside of what we now understand as the United States.......

That means that more rebellions happened in the US or what we know as the US today......

Despite more Africans being transported to the Carribean & south america than the US.....

This really means nothing, as capitalists from across Europe seized every square mile of land in the Western Hemisphere as they could.....

The suggestion that US blacks are weak or cowardly is some bullshit created in West Indian folklore......

Now you acting stupid and in your feels

I really hope you don't think your list is exhaustive because the fact is there were way more rebellions you didn't include and the majority of slave rebellions were outside the US

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Lol @ Revisionist history. Some of these people do anything to make them feel better about their past. If blacks were fighting against slavery like that it wouldn't have lasted for 400 years. Financially it wouldn't have been feasable. They ended it because of industrial revolution. Not because blacks kept fighting. Stop lying to yourself.

@Muhannad is someone who fought and lost a coward?

No but then again I never said that. There were lots of rebellions in the caribbean and latin America. US had way less. I think it has something to do with the fact slaves in the US were from various tribes while slaves in other colonies were from the same tribe. They could communicate and retain their cultural identity better.

Still. Africans by large accepted their servitude. That's why some people had to label them cowards.

Vietnamese fought the French, US. Palestinians are still fighting Israel. Going by history I think Africans would've rolled over.

that's what you are suggest.

And how many rebellions were on Korsou? I can only think of one....

 

[LUClEN]

What does that make him?

 

[7figz]

Some of what he said was jewels, the slave shit was controversial.

How about what he said about changing the system and Jesse Jackson, etc... ?

 

[bambu]

^not all of those were in The US

Not all, but you do understand that the US was established in 1776.....

& Several states had yet to be incorporated......

Spanish Florida/ New Spain is now Florida. ...

Orleans Provence is Louisiana.....

Indian Territory is now Oklahoma. .....

I know that....but the list include Jamaica Mexico and Barbados and others on there

I'm bored & some of these niggas need schooling, so....

Out of 24 documented rebellions from the sixteenth century throughout the nineteenth.......

5 occurred outside of what we now understand as the United States.......

That means that more rebellions happened in the US or what we know as the US today......

Despite more Africans being transported to the Carribean & south america than the US.....

This really means nothing, as capitalists from across Europe seized every square mile of land in the Western Hemisphere as they could.....

The suggestion that US blacks are weak or cowardly is some bullshit created in West Indian folklore......

Now you acting stupid and in your feels

I really hope you don't think your list is exhaustive because the fact is there were way more rebellions you didn't include and the majority of slave rebellions were outside the US

I didn't say it was exhaustive......

Just the best documented.....

There is evidence of over 250 uprisings or revolts in north america ( U.S. ) and around 500 on the slave ships (off the coast of the U.S.).......

I'm not going to argue numbers because that would exclude key factors like geography and population......

The myth concerning the greater will to fight back in West Indians than African Americans...........

Is just that, a myth.....

 

[Mr.LV]

But he got punked by a child :bawling:

 

[StillFaggyAF]

^not all of those were in The US

Not all, but you do understand that the US was established in 1776.....

& Several states had yet to be incorporated......

Spanish Florida/ New Spain is now Florida. ...

Orleans Provence is Louisiana.....

Indian Territory is now Oklahoma. .....

I know that....but the list include Jamaica Mexico and Barbados and others on there

I'm bored & some of these niggas need schooling, so....

Out of 24 documented rebellions from the sixteenth century throughout the nineteenth.......

5 occurred outside of what we now understand as the United States.......

That means that more rebellions happened in the US or what we know as the US today......

Despite more Africans being transported to the Carribean & south america than the US.....

This really means nothing, as capitalists from across Europe seized every square mile of land in the Western Hemisphere as they could.....

The suggestion that US blacks are weak or cowardly is some bullshit created in West Indian folklore......

Now you acting stupid and in your feels

I really hope you don't think your list is exhaustive because the fact is there were way more rebellions you didn't include and the majority of slave rebellions were outside the US

I didn't say it was exhaustive......

Just the best documented.....

There is evidence of over 250 uprisings or revolts in north america ( U.S. ) and around 500 on the slave ships (off the coast of the U.S.).......

I'm not going to argue numbers because that would exclude key factors like geography and population......

The myth concerning the greater will to fight back in West Indians than African Americans...........

Is just that, a myth.....

You're the only one talking about your "myth" and numbers

Reeks of insecurity

There were more rebellions outside the US. That's a fact. it is what it is

 

[MD_PROPER]

Harriet Tubman said she would have freed more slaves if they knew they were slaves....I believe her

Most of our ancestors didn't know they were slaves....they weren't trying to escape...

The ones who knew they were slaves, are the ones we read about, the nat turners, Gabriel prossers, etc

So they weren't coward, they were unaware or misinformed

You don't have to conceive of yourself as being a slave to know that getting your ass beat and seeing your loved ones abused is enough reason to want to either fight or run away..... it is much more likely that most slaves were simply too scared to engage in violence and disobedience

or they didn't know how to engage in violence that would result into what they didn't know at the time was freedom...hell by that logic we don't know what freedom is to this day....

people can use katts same logic and say niggas are still cowamutse it is known that this happened and people aren't doing shit....

Black people have always fought back, and will continue to fight back

marchin and peaceful protesting ASKIN to be treated as a fuckin human bein aint fightin back..

I tell people all time... why you asking for something thats already yours....

If you out here beggin and pleading for whats rightfully yours, than you need to overcome your own slave mentality before you see the changes you seek

 

[blacktux]

He is saying we accepted slavery like there was never any fighting back. That is the part I have a problem with.

Apart from Nat Turner and Denmark Vesey there weren't many rebellions in the US. None was succesfull. In some states black slaves outnumbered these whites 5 to 1 and still didn't fight. These white quakers and abolutionists went harder than these black slaves.

I think Katt was right about them...

Nah man.

EVERY black that ran away was a rebel.

EVERY black that said man i would rather be out in the wild on my own than to be a slave to another man was a rebel.

EVERY black that stood up to their oppressor and got raped, lynched, castrated, or jumped off the fucking boat if they couldnt take that bitch over was a REBEL.

There were millions of our people that said "fuck all that" from the first boat ride to emancipation and STILL TODAY that rebel spirit lives on in some of us.

Yall read those white textbooks and watch these white movies where our people just out in the field singing and carrying on, living their whole lives as happy slaves. THATS THE TRICK, because real black history you would know that was never the case.

The point he made was, to live your whole life as a slave is cowardly, and i agree there. There is no excuse.

 

[bambu]

^not all of those were in The US

Not all, but you do understand that the US was established in 1776.....

& Several states had yet to be incorporated......

Spanish Florida/ New Spain is now Florida. ...

Orleans Provence is Louisiana.....

Indian Territory is now Oklahoma. .....

I know that....but the list include Jamaica Mexico and Barbados and others on there

I'm bored & some of these niggas need schooling, so....

Out of 24 documented rebellions from the sixteenth century throughout the nineteenth.......

5 occurred outside of what we now understand as the United States.......

That means that more rebellions happened in the US or what we know as the US today......

Despite more Africans being transported to the Carribean & south america than the US.....

This really means nothing, as capitalists from across Europe seized every square mile of land in the Western Hemisphere as they could.....

The suggestion that US blacks are weak or cowardly is some bullshit created in West Indian folklore......

Now you acting stupid and in your feels

I really hope you don't think your list is exhaustive because the fact is there were way more rebellions you didn't include and the majority of slave rebellions were outside the US

I didn't say it was exhaustive......

Just the best documented.....

There is evidence of over 250 uprisings or revolts in north america ( U.S. ) and around 500 on the slave ships (off the coast of the U.S.).......

I'm not going to argue numbers because that would exclude key factors like geography and population......

The myth concerning the greater will to fight back in West Indians than African Americans...........

Is just that, a myth.....

You're the only one talking about your "myth" and numbers

Reeks of insecurity

There were more rebellions outside the US. That's a fact. it is what it is

Facts are typically supported by evidence....

& you have none.....

If I am the "only" one talking about numbers, why the fuck you and the op keep talking about "facts" and where more rebellions took place?????

Like I said before, American plantations were far smaller than those in other parts of the Western Hemisphere and because in the United States, unlike the West Indes, whites outnumbered slaves......

In addition to the smaller geographic scale of the West Indes.....

So suggesting that more occurred outside of the U.S. is a faulty comparison.....

"Stupid, feels, insecure".....

Nigga...

I don't know what makes you so comfortable posting reckless shit at the god.......

You best check your keyboard before you approach me with that bullshit.....

 

[Trillaaaaaa]

I agree....I'm Haitian, my ancestors cut heads off and burned houses

Y'all niggas was singing "we shall overcome"... Fuck that shit

 

[ineedpussy]

I agree....I'm Haitian, my ancestors cut heads off and burned houses

Y'all niggas was singing "we shall overcome"... Fuck that shit

then go back to haiti punk muthafucka.