Kanye West is much better than Jay-Z OVERALL.

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ocelot;2064076 said:
but Kanye ( as we know him now) is in this genre because of Jay Z

Quite unbelievable ain't it?

He gave birth to a MONSTER who's outshined him artistically since his debut.
 
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Umm eminem produced that renegade track for Jay and that Nas track Cross. Eminem produces alot of his shit also. Dont be so quick to give it to Kanye
 
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rip.dilla;2064121 said:
Quite unbelievable ain't it?

He gave birth to a MONSTER who's outshined him artistically since his debut.

yeah but ye will never outshine jigga in hip hop culture....
 
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kanye got his fan base because of dame and hov............. hell never outshine jigga

put kanye under diddy and kanye will be just a regular average rapper
 
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Ye is Pac, L Boogie, and 3000

Pac's mental health

Ms Hills Soul

and 3 Stacks creativity
 
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talik23;2064168 said:
kanye got his fan base because of dame and hov............. hell never outshine jigga

put kanye under diddy and kanye will be just a regular average rapper

Under Diddy, Kanye would've still been Kanye. Neither Dame or Jay Z believed in Kanye initially. Kanye had to build his own buzz. He paid out of pocket for the "Through The Wire" video and then his buzz was through the roof after "Slow Jamz" dropped.
 
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georgia boi;2064958 said:
Under Diddy, Kanye would've still been Kanye. Neither Dame or Jay Z believed in Kanye initially. Kanye had to build his own buzz. He paid out of pocket for the "Through The Wire" video and then his buzz was through the roof after "Slow Jamz" dropped.

did u read what u wrote. dame or jay z believed in kanye initially. dame and hov believe in kanye, just listen to we are the champions by rocafella when kanye was rapping before he made thru the wire..........
 
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MAKAVELI25;2063824 said:
I smh @ people who try to compare Hov to Kanye. Go listen to albums like "Reasonable Doubt" or "American Gangster" and ask yourself if Ye could even dream of dropping verses like "Regrets" or EVEN "Feelin It". Kanye should be mentioned with rappers like T.I. and Rick Ross, NOT with the Jay-Z's, Nas's, or Eminems. And to niggas saying Ye is the better producer, why should that be factored in when Hov has never (to my knowledge) even attempted to produce? That's like saying Mike Vrabel is better than Ray Lewis because he makes plays on offense whereas Ray Lewis doesn't (Despite the fact Ray is the much better Linebacker).

I don't think anyone would deny that Jay Z is a better rapper than Kanye, but on the same token, one could say "ask yourself if Jay Z could even dream of dropping songs like "All Falls Down" or "Jesus Walks" let alone release songs like that as singles and they become hit records".
 
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talik23;2064993 said:
did u read what u wrote. dame or jay z believed in kanye initially. dame and hov believe in kanye, just listen to we are the champions by rocafella when kanye was rapping before he made thru the wire..........

According to Kanye on "Last Call", neither one of them felt Kanye as a rapper.
 
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georgia boi;2065020 said:
According to Kanye on "Last Call", neither one of them felt Kanye as a rapper.

yea at first they didnt kuz they felt he was a producer until dame and hov gave him a chance. thats when they gave him a rocafella chain as u see in the video thru the wire. kanye been raping before thru the wire came out........
 
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I won't say Yeezy is a better artist than Jay. There's some songs that Jay created that Yeezy could never dream of duplicating lyrically. Yeezy raps like a regular rapping nigga, who just good enough to not sound horrible, okay punchlines, okay flow, witty lines. His production, creativity, song concepts & overall aura/sound/package is his selling point. Hov on the other hand.......can & has spit shit that only Pun, Nas & AZ could kick. Its a whole different echelon my nigga.

What I will say about Yeezy & Jay........is Yeezy's career caught on alot faster than Hov's. Hov came out in 1996. Ain't really become a star til 1998. Even then, he shared the spotlight with Em, DMX & Ja. He aint really become "that dude" til 2001. Yeezy, however, blew up with College Dropout. And he's pretty much been a Superstar ever since then (from Jesus Walks to Golddigger to Stronger to Heartless to Power). If you compare Jay's first 5 albums & Yeezy's first 5 albums.....you'll see how much stronger Kanye's career looks. That's the only pro I could give Kanye.
 
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talik23;2065073 said:
yea at first they didnt kuz they felt he was a producer until dame and hov gave him a chance. thats when they gave him a rocafella chain as u see in the video thru the wire. kanye been raping before thru the wire came out........

that roc chain was dames he didn't actually own one for awhile. dame just signed kanye because he wanted to keep him in house
 
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jamacia;2065249 said:
that roc chain was dames he didn't actually own one for awhile. dame just signed kanye because he wanted to keep him in house

Yep....Kanye's first album was supposed to be something like "Roc La Familia" where Cam, Bleek & Beans would've been on every song because they wanted to keep Kanye's dope beats but, aint think he could carry & market an album himself.
 
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jamacia;2065249 said:
that roc chain was dames he didn't actually own one for awhile. dame just signed kanye because he wanted to keep him in house

yea he keep him in the house because he spit his verse for "we are the champions", thats why dame was like dam this the producer of the roc, he rap better than most of you rappers..........
 
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