Just lyrically, who can f#ck with canibus?

[new account2]

yes he can be surpassed but he hasnt been surpassed in my opinion canibus has surpassed rakim lyrically rakim being canibuss' influence
but no eminem has not surpassed canibus but eminem is still in the top 15 best rappers of all time eminem is sick but canibus is like the black plague: Yo,
I've been dealing with hate since 1998
I punished the industry by dominating mixtapes
None of ya'll can stop the onslaught of those bars
Rainfall and fireballs fell from the stars
The speech pattern of God, I ripped off weak rappers jaws
Whoever ignored lyrical law
Hip Hop didn't understand it at all
They couldn't manage my thoughts
So I retreated to the land of the lost
Don't talk about beats talk about bars
Canibus so raw that rejection is your only response
Give a fuck if I sell one unit
'Cause that was never the motivation for me to do this, stupid
I've already proved it
Now I must prepare for my posthumous interview with the vampire Druids
That are coming to relieve me of my fluids
Believe me I'm the truest, thats why they can't stop my music
The subject matter sound barely connected
Even when it's understood it's rarely respected
The evidence is staring directly at the detective
Alex Jones left me a message saying I won't be accepted
NOW who's the skeptic
The Melatonin Magik Deception
I will never be available for questions, get the fuck out my session
I've learned my lesson, media suppression is a weapon
They fucked up Hip Hop's progression

ok....again...........wheres the lyricism?????

 

[Yungin T. Jeezie]

I made a thread about this before

Lupe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Canibus

 

[new account2]

This is a perceptive topic, anyway.

my man.....you are arguing about his ability....in your opinion.....I've yet to see you break anything down WITH PROOF......thus not proving your point

I cut the rest of your quote off, cause this is the closest thing you have said that is true on your side of this "debate"........but even thats garbage cause thats obvious as we are on a hip hop board........most shit we we discuss is gonna be perceptive........

Lets just let it go and be adults my dude......your angle is to discredit me at this point......that just shows you dont have the ability to match wits with me on this hip hop shit........first I was "from the south", as if that meant anything....then I was white...as if that mean anything....then I didnt know what I was talkin about.....and now I'm an inexperienced debater...LOL.......

when in reality, I'm damn near exact opposite of all of that......I prolly done forgot more hip hop than you will ever know.LOL

 

[Punisher__]

my man.....you are arguing about his ability....in your opinion.....I've yet to see you break anything down WITH PROOF......thus not proving your point

I cut the rest of your quote off, cause this is the closest thing you have said that is true on your side of this "debate"........but even thats garbage cause thats obvious as we are on a hip hop board........most shit we we discuss is gonna be perceptive........

Lets just let it go and be adults my dude......your angle is to discredit me at this point......that just shows you dont have the ability to match wits with me on this hip hop shit........first I was "from the south", as if that meant anything....then I was white...as if that mean anything....then I didnt know what I was talkin about.....and now I'm an inexperienced debater...LOL.......

when in reality, I'm damn near exact opposite of all of that......I prolly done forgot more hip hop than you will ever know.LOL

First you said we're arguing about content...now I'm arguing about abilities. Which one is it? Clearly both, as I have broken down both aspects of Canibus as an emcee...abstract content AND lyrical complexity. And I even put emphasis on the fact that if people understood all of those big, scientific terms and understood how they relate to each other in context to WHAT Canibus raps about, then people would understand why he's so highly regarded.

I don't understand what you want, bruh. I can post all of the videos and lyrics, but what point would that prove? You already have it made up in your mind that Canibus is wack, and Eminem is better...so why should I waste my energy trying to prove you wrong, when you're clearly stubborn and set in your ways? It's futile.

You can only teach those who WANT to be taught.

 

[thedesolateone]

ok....again...........wheres the lyricism?????

The subject matter sound barely connected

Even when it's understood it's rarely respected

The evidence is staring directly at the detective

its in the mastery of the rhyme pattern and vivid imagery conciseness and pacing of his verses and bars and on top of that his delivery of them.

he pays close attention to every syllable and gets his point across like no other mc(mic controller).there is a reason it keeps coming up that he goes over some peoples heads.i just dont have the time to break it down for you.

it would take pages and pages.have you studied assonance and internal rhyme or even simple rhyme patterns?do you know the druid history and about the wicker man?have you attained knowledge of self?have you studied poetry at all?

do you understand the difficulty of rhyming four sylable words together and making sense out of it plus how hard it is to deliver them?have you ever wrote a verse?give me an idea of what you mean by lyricism or post some lyrics you consider the best and tell me why it is so.

Canibus so raw that rejection is your only response

Give a fuck if I sell one unit

'Cause that was never the motivation for me to do this, stupid

I've already proved it

Now I must prepare for my posthumous interview with the vampire Druids

all i can say is the evidence is staring directly at the detective

canibus is so raw that rejection is your only response

 

[new account2]

First you said we're arguing about content...now I'm arguing about abilities. Which one is it? Clearly both, as I have broken down both aspects of Canibus as an emcee...abstract content AND lyrical complexity. And I even put emphasis on the fact that if people understood all of those big, scientific terms and understood how they relate to each other in context to WHAT Canibus raps about, then people would understand why he's so highly regarded.

I don't understand what you want, bruh. I can post all of the videos and lyrics, but what point would that prove? You already have it made up in your mind that Canibus is wack, and Eminem is better...so why should I waste my energy trying to prove you wrong, when you're clearly stubborn and set in your ways? It's futile.

You can only teach those who WANT to be taught.

you really think you can teach me something......LMAO yea we need to wrap this convo up here......you cant teach me too much of anything......

check this out my man

basically what your game is now is to pick apart my last post.....and still avoid any burden of proof that supports your opinion....

at least with the other dude.....He posted up verses from canibus to and counters my points......I can respect that....that is what REAL heads call a DEBATE....you on the other hand state your opinion/"argument", yet back out with that corny ass "Well I cant change your mind anyway" defense when it comes your time to post any proof or back your opinion........

If you feel like that, you shoulda set that standard from jump instead of asking me to post proof, I do, then when its ur time, you have no proof other than your opinon....

true hip hop heads who opinions differ, would state they opinions and bring proof to the table..........at barbershops, on corners, lunch rooms, basements, internet....anywhere....at the end of the day our opinions aint gonna change, but at least there would be a discussion and/or "debate"...if you arent going to bring anything to the table, why waste you time.....oh I get it, you thought that same tired ass "He goes over your head" argument was gonna work with me.......

the last time we had a debate.....you couldnt fuck wit me........so you resorted to borderline name calling....you cant fuck with me now, so this time you attempt to attack my intelligence as if listening to canibus puts you on a higher level of understandin hip hop than most.......man they was using that same lame argument 7 years ago when I first began posting on this site......

dont reply unless you got proof to back your opinion.....otherwise we done here........

 

[weezyfgarbage]

LOL. I wasn't even trying to discredit you or be offensive or whatever. So my fault if that's what you took from my post.
I'm just sayin', this is a pattern I've noticed with people who dismiss certain rappers, while advocating for others. And I don't think it's by coincidence that these parallels occur as often as they do.

People dismiss Canibus because his lyricism is too complex, AND the content he touches on is far too abstract for the average listener to take in. That's why I said he's too convoluted for you cats, because I honestly think he is.

There's no doubt in my mind that if people actually understood all those big, scientific terms and how they all relate to one another, in context to what Canibus raps about, then people would understand why he's so lauded as a lyricist.

This...as a science major at a huge research university I actually understand what the fuck he's saying when he drops lines referencing "fetal bovine hormone"...I've used that shit in labs before, people just need to smarten up or admit to their ignorance.....

Also, referencing the definition of "lyrical" from webster or w/e and applying it to hip hop is...ehhhh neither of 2 definitions said anything about poetry. Emotion is nice, but poetic skills (rhyme scheme, assonance, consonance, etc.) weren't mentioned at all by that link.

 

[new account2]

The subject matter sound barely connected
Even when it's understood it's rarely respected
The evidence is staring directly at the detective

its in the mastery of the rhyme pattern and vivid imagery conciseness and pacing of his verses and bars and on top of that his delivery of them.

he pays close attention to every syllable and gets his point across like no other mc(mic controller).there is a reason it keeps coming up that he goes over some peoples heads.i just dont have the time to break it down for you.

it would take pages and pages.have you studied assonance and internal rhyme or even simple rhyme patterns?do you know the druid history and about the wicker man?have you attained knowledge of self?have you studied poetry at all?

do you understand the difficulty of rhyming four sylable words together and making sense out of it plus how hard it is to deliver them?have you ever wrote a verse?give me an idea of what you mean by lyricism or post some lyrics you consider the best and tell me why it is so.
Canibus so raw that rejection is your only response
Give a fuck if I sell one unit
'Cause that was never the motivation for me to do this, stupid
I've already proved it
Now I must prepare for my posthumous interview with the vampire Druids

all i can say is the evidence is staring directly at the detective
canibus is so raw that rejection is your only response

there is no rhyme pattern there other than making words rhyme, which is what the emcee is supposed to do........

even in the content of this verse..... his punchlines are vivid, but at the end of the day, when you break it down....it dont mean nothin......poetically or content wise

What Lupe does, lyrical.....what canibus does.....isnt

yall gotta stop with this going over your head bullshit.........I can guarentee you I was listening to canibus before half of yall mothers told you it was ok to buy a Bow Wow CD......you are looking at something thats not there........

he puts together words and using concepts and content that differs from the norm........thats all..........otherwise, from a poetical stand point lyrically, canibus aint lyrical yo.......[video=youtube;tGckwYBLkjw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGckwYBLkjw[/video]

Check the first verse of this.....thats lyricism.......Canibus aint NEVER drop nothing like that

 

[ninjasenses]

I made a thread about this before

Lupe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Canibus

lyrically...no way in hell. although lupe has a better voice and flow than canibus will ever have

 

[Punisher__]

This...as a science major at a huge research university I actually understand what the fuck he's saying when he drops lines referencing "fetal bovine hormone"...I've used that shit in labs before, people just need to smarten up or admit to their ignorance.....

Exactly.

I wasn't even trying to offend dude with my posts. I'm just sayin', unfamiliarity with concepts, themes, and ideas is what causes disinterest, so it's easy for one person to dismiss Canibus, if they don't know what the fuck he's talking about.

Lupe is probably my 2nd favorite emcee, so I advocate for him a lot. But even I don't think he matches Canibus, in terms of being varied.

I echo whoever it was that said Canibus is probably the only rapper who is, arguably, a genius...because he's scientific, and philosophical with his shit. All of those big, dictionary words are not thrown together, just for the sake of being thrown together. In context, they all actually relate to one another, in respect to what Canibus is rapping about...in a complex way.

 

[weezyfgarbage]

Exactly.

I wasn't even trying to offend dude with my posts. I'm just sayin', unfamiliarity with concepts, themes, and ideas is what causes disinterest, so it's easy for one person to dismiss Canibus, if they don't know what the fuck he's talking about.

Lupe is probably my 2nd favorite emcee, so I advocate for him a lot. But even I don't think he matches Canibus, in terms of being varied.

I echo whoever it was that said Canibus is probably the only rapper who is, arguably, a genius...because he's scientific, and philosophical with his shit. All of those big, dictionary words are not thrown together, just for the sake of being thrown together. In context, they all actually relate to one another, in respect to what Canibus is rapping about...in a complex way.

when I say he's rhyming for the sake of rhyming, it's like he's just spitting in the face (no dbl entendre intended) of any notion of sales...and hey he said he made 3500 songs I guess he doesn't care about selling or any of that commercial stuff after allegedly getting blackballed. But still, even within the concepts he's introducing he could provide variety and provide different levels of complexity so that he can funnel the masses into his deeper stuff...I know someone who's trying this though, so hopefully bis doesn't read the IC hahaha

 

[new account2]

This...as a science major at a huge research university I actually understand what the fuck he's saying when he drops lines referencing "fetal bovine hormone"...I've used that shit in labs before, people just need to smarten up or admit to their ignorance.....

This goes back to one of my original points, he says shit that YOU think/can relate to......but why does that make it any more lyrical???? Because you are a science major???

So now that makes someone else ignorant cause they cant relate.....sounds more condesecending than anything........

Its called interest, not intelligence or lyrical ability...........

 

[weezyfgarbage]

This goes back to one of my original points, he says shit that YOU think/can relate to......but why does that make it any more lyrical???? Because you are a science major???

So now that makes someone else ignorant cause they cant relate.....sounds more condesecending than anything........

Its called interest, not intelligence or lyrical ability...........

it's more of the metaphor that he used that wow'd me...I should go double-check the track it was on...I think it was buckingham palace. I wasn't saying it was more lyrical, but it's certainly a refreshing change of pace. I know you separate subject matter from lyricism, but "lyrical ability" in rapping consists of literary techniques, emotion, and content...you cant ignore one and/or separate that subcategory from the general term as it is intended to be used.

and LOLl how is it condescending for me to discuss my work with certain reagants that could assist in finding a cure for the diabetes/cancer you might catch in 20-30 years, and am pleasantly surprised to hear someone mention them in a rap song? Integration > specialization anyway, so if my interests in an interdisciplinary approach to life are "condescending" then I should become precisely that from now on...

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

I agree 1000% percent.

Canibus expresses nothing worthwhile in his music.

Of course Lupe is a better ALL around mc, duh that's nit the point.

Lyrically, HELL NO

prime canibus(1997-2003)>>>>>>>>>>Lupe (just lyrically)

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

No one is saying canibus is the goat rapper, h has 2 many flaws. I'm just trying to say he's he greatest lyricist of all time. He can outrap ANYBoDY, period

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

Poet laureate 2>>>>>>>>lupe

One of the best complex lyrical performances of all time.

Lupe is a better all around rapper but on the lyrical tip, bis is just NASTY

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

Lupe is starting to get overrated on ic(I like Lupe but damn) when people start Tod ag he's better lyrically then bis, idk

eminem is a better lyricist then Lupe and even he isn't better then canibus

“Way above and beyond what was intended; the unparalleled malleable annunciation of a sentence.” Put one of his raps next to anybody else and it’s no contest. Canibus can outrap anybody, period

 

[DB Cooper]

lupe is so overrated its not even fucking funny

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

The methods of my motivation is completely subjective

My perception is completely parallel to perspective

Rhyming is the reason I spit in faces

Habituation of my flamboyance without rational reservation

Whiskey, X-Ray, yankee, Zulu, unusual

Word-ologically my syllable position is beautiful

Only respect n*ggaz if the feeling is mutual

G Rap snatch the tools from you, I'll throw 'em in the crucible

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

"Id be downstairs in hot 97's lobby in 5 minutes if you think you can outrhyme me"

-canibus

Lol and th scary thing is, he'd outryhme you