Just lyrically, who can f#ck with canibus?

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Punisher__;793986 said:
No. What I'm saying is, it's just an inability to read and comprehend coherently. I have criticized people who have dismissed Lupe and GZA as "boring" or "corny" or "garbage", as well.

What I find most sad about these topics is how people are exposing themselves, as just 1) Not reading; and 2) just being flat out lazy, when it comes to actually dissecting lyricism.

Canibus goes over your head, because you don't understand what he's saying, and that is really what it boils down to. He's too convoluted for you, because his rhyme scheme is based more on complexity, intricacy, and casuistry, as opposed to the simplicity and shallowness that you and your kind are used to when it comes to appreciating lyricism.

You like Eminem, that's fine. But if you were familiar with the concepts and ideas that Canibus touches on, then you'd be able to appreciate him more. But truth is, you're not...and it's that unfamiliarity that is causing you to not think logically and rationally.

Eminem is your type of MC because he's easy for you to comprehend. But anybody with a decent ear for lyrical complexity, will tell you that Canibus' ability to put words together, bend words so that they rhyme, and touch on abstract ideas, all at the same time catapults him much higher than Eminem.

This is just factual information. Eminem does NOT stuck up.

LMAO..my man.....you stay tryna discredit somebody.........he goes over whose head??? I'm lazy......you talkin to me?????

I'm willing to bet I'm older than you........I was there when canibus had his lil run....i bought all his shit...the canibus vs DMX mixtape (my REAL heads already know> the canibus/dmx/nore freestyle tape on funk flex........everything.........I didnt go back and get my history...I was there.....

even after he died down...i still listened to him

he has concepts that are foriegn to everyday listening....even "nigganometry" was pretty "un nigganometry-ish"...but it made a lotta yall feel like dude was nice....not once did he ever went over my head

he really wasnt nice once you got past his punchlines........you are talking content vs. lyrcial ability......two different arguments.....and even for your sake.......Canibus to me wasnt well versed in neither....

Lupe, who is a long the same eyes of some, is light years ahead of canibus lyrically........not even close.......
 
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thedesolateone;794042 said:
no jay was influenced by big daddy kane ,g rap,nas and biggie
its well known canibus and esham influenced with eminem adding humor to theyre styles

my point was influence means what tho???? Kobe was influenced by James Naismith......I bet James Naismith would crush kobe in 1 on 1........
 
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no mc, i repeat no mc has accomplished anything as ill as this song. CANIBUS CINGULARITY POINT -
 
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[video=youtube;GrTgCMcNZMs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrTgCMcNZMs[/video]

Lemme know when Canibus gets this lyrical...pure lyrical ability.......

the metahpors, how he weaves several concepts patterns of multi syllabic rhymming...the word play.......
 
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new account2;794111 said:
[video=youtube;GrTgCMcNZMs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrTgCMcNZMs[/video]

Lemme know when Canibus gets this lyrical...pure lyrical ability.......

the metahpors, how he weaves several concepts patterns of multi syllabic rhymming...the word play.......[/QUOTE lol not even close
 
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That second verse is a hip hop classic.........And them niggas ain't Watts nor from his regime
Gangsta lean
Hats on tilt like these niggas ain't drop out the vending machine
You gotta put more money in
And I shake niggas up every time I drop a bar
(2 for 1)
It's horse in the Porsche and bricks in the box
Like mo' money them every time I cop a car
You see I'm a roller, right
So it might be a Rover, right
But every time I drop a 'r'
(Get off the streets)
It's "over" aite
Bet I be in the head like overnight
Like rollers, right
She the chauffeur, right
So I keep her sober
She don't get Fed Ex like overnight
I am Dolemite
All that gas can't help you but solar might
Just call on sun
Drop a 's'
Pick up a 'o'
Uno, put it all on "one"
Brace yourself like overbite
"For that quiet nigga that relocated down south
Coming back to floss"
Nigga get your molars right
Fix your grill
No plaque but a whole lot of cheese
This the drill
Mr. Chill
Gave me the green light like Yoda knife
So I'ma force my will
Like the Force I wield
Of course you will
I take my time
But weight behind only pertains
To that Porsche grill
It's snakes in the hood
Gotta watch for that Cobra bite
Let me see
There's snakes in the hood
A bird, a horse behind the grill
Something gator on the seat
And a fox behind the wheel
No it's not Noah's ark
ark?
 
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new account2;794072 said:
LMAO..my man.....you stay tryna discredit somebody.........he goes over whose head??? I'm lazy......you talkin to me?????

I'm willing to bet I'm older than you........I was there when canibus had his lil run....i bought all his shit...the canibus vs DMX mixtape (my REAL heads already know> the canibus/dmx/nore freestyle tape on funk flex........everything.........I didnt go back and get my history...I was there.....

even after he died down...i still listened to him

he has concepts that are foriegn to everyday listening....even "nigganometry" was pretty "un nigganometry-ish"...but it made a lotta yall feel like dude was nice....not once did he ever went over my head

he really wasnt nice once you got past his punchlines........you are talking content vs. lyrcial ability......two different arguments.....and even for your sake.......Canibus to me wasnt well versed in neither....

Lupe, who is a long the same eyes of some, is light years ahead of canibus lyrically........not even close.......

LOL. I wasn't even trying to discredit you or be offensive or whatever. So my fault if that's what you took from my post.

I'm just sayin', this is a pattern I've noticed with people who dismiss certain rappers, while advocating for others. And I don't think it's by coincidence that these parallels occur as often as they do.

People dismiss Canibus because his lyricism is too complex, AND the content he touches on is far too abstract for the average listener to take in. That's why I said he's too convoluted for you cats, because I honestly think he is.

There's no doubt in my mind that if people actually understood all those big, scientific terms and how they all relate to one another, in context to what Canibus raps about, then people would understand why he's so lauded as a lyricist.
 
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May 31 2008, 05:01 PM
The �C� of Tranquility, what will it really be,
What does the future hold, what do you really see?
I see a revolution in the industry
That will ignite the rebirth of MC's lyrically,
The �C� of Tranquility, what will it really be,
What does the future hold, what can you really see?
I see the partition of God's religion
Become united by our bars and our common visions,
The �C� of Tranquility, what will it really be,
What does the future hold, yo FUCK THE HOOK!

[Canibus]
These rhymes resemble knots being tied to time lines,
Becomes a nonlinear noose that will snap your mind,
FIRST! Sever your spine, SECOND! Normal M configurations
Are dismembered and disconnected, very unpleasant,
My third effort employs absurd ethics,
Kangaroo execution court is in session after dawn, but before breakfast,
Expert effective mass burial method so well measured
It's impressive and intensive, not to mention expensive,
Extensive templates taken from all global nano-industrial sectors,
No wonder I'm so aggressive at Tetris,
Pardon me, but I must beckon your attention for no more than several seconds
With the minor hypocritical questions,
Let�s say, I had to make an exception,
Where I complied to exhume a body for postmortem autopsy inspection,
I request the best yes-men,
That promptly recovered the radio frequency identification pin,
Then, trigger the transponder located under the skin
Of the deceased until it showed me a grin,
If that went over your head (HUH) then I�ll be more than pleased to show you again,
But I must rescind, I have pressing matters to attend,
It's my wife�s birthday & I can't be late for delivery
On her customized marble grey bidet, good day!
What the fuck did he just say?! SEE!! Why can't I bust my way?
Since 98� you could trust my name,
I've adapted and adjusted my aim accordingly,
The leap years are boring to me, I speed up quarterly,
The Golden Era of Rap will always be apart of me,
The future talks to me because the present is ignoring me,
My destiny is calling me, the armory of God is guarding me,
But all you can see is holographic artistry,
This is were the road forks, my rhymes leave you lost,
Under a blue moon, ice crystals, fog, and snow fall,
Been a long time, spittin' long rhymes, but I never left you,
Always came back bustin' rhymes that were special,
Back then, I wanted to impress you by addressing the truth,
Nowadays, I'm just confessing in the booth,
The music is layered, not computer generated,
A human made it to satisfy unusual cravings,
The mystic in a room with crystal walls & floors,
Looking into a crystal quartz orb, reciting lyrical law,
That cause warm feeling sensations precipitating from the finger tips,
To the arms, to the lips, to the jaws,
To a gold tongue that spits to the tone of the drum,
With the oxygen that flows down the throat to the lungs,
Till every color of my Chakra glows brighter than the Sun,
YOU and I become WE, WE become ONE!
And the Clarity of �C� ingularity has begun,
Between ZERO POINT ZERO & ZERO POINT ONE!
Combinatrix, anything of this persuasion is considered ageless,
BEYOND THE MATRIX!!
Beyond time displacement of space & spaceships in oasis,
Beyond the reach of human contemplation,
Through my music, magic, and inoculated interaction,
Rip The Jacker shows you the future in fragments,
Through MADNESS my view is expanded,
Request passage permission is granted,
I'll introduce you to the language of DRAGONS!
To help balance near impossible trances in the labyrinth
Of the enchanted where air quality is unbearably rancid,
From evil spirits, temperatures frigid,
I cross wooden bridges over methane rivers, it sounds crazy, but listen,
Concise lyrics strike down from the heavens,
A titan like Mike Tyson, beast master with a Tiger & Pigeon,
A four finger ring with a eyeball in it for vision,
Cuz I ain't scared of no 9 foot 11 winged lizards!
I'm known as the Ripper, my soul was delivered to a wizard
For spiritual slave labor in a prison,
My life is my sentence, so I live it,
But I studied the physics & understand it, so it's only a visit,
I look at myself in the mirror, I see a stereoisomer image,
I know it's cryptic, but you like what I'm spittin,
M-M-M-M-Master in the art of rhyming, yield so many surprises,
I've found excessive ferric-iron in my perinatal sinus,
Remote viewing the globe, what I am shown runs my blood cold,
My occipital lobe might explode!
The Godzilla Zillah God, enscripter encryptor,
I drink the Elixir of Knowledge like it was a liquor!
I ain't a rapper, I'm a Ripper Slasher, Supreme Dream Catcher,
Brother Frater who�d rather attend to other matters,
Like mastering words, spell cast a curse you haven't heard,
Incense I burn, smells like a bag of herb!
I walk among the living hidden, but spittin, they bid me good riddance,
Cuz nobody knows what I've written!
Zecharia Sitchin in Hell�s Kitchen, heavy liftin�,
Mixing vocals, switchin� with no mittens, my women keep BITCHIN!
Bitches drug experimenting, bed wetting, & blood letting,
White witches, black magic, rough wedding, with a fuck ending!
I ain't into fashion, think I got jokes?
Keep laughin�, we'll have the ceremony in a cabin,
Rappin� my only compassion that outlasted everything I ever had in life,
And it still respects the Master,
During the brides reception, the Tree of Life supplied me the weapons,
Inside the zodiac, divided in sections,
I categorized 5 elements inscribing the lettering,
Baphomet's unintelligible intelligence is benevolent!!
The initiate magician, not ready but willing,
To perform molecular fission with emotions & feelings,
I stand before the Rabbi with cat-eyes, HE LOOKED HIGH!
I don't mind, the muthafucka look crazy all the time,
He asked me for the wedding band, I gave him the bride�s severed hand,
PUNISHMENT FOR TOUCHING ANOTHER MAN!!
I'm just a poor shoe cobbler from Guadalajara,
Who came in contact with scholars that studied Qabalah,
I do not wish to be a martyr & follow the footsteps of my father,
I want to live the live of a �honest farmer�,
We all became somber as I placed the animal on the altar,
Started the fire, rinsed my hands in some water,
Look into my eyes, I hypnotize my bride as I walk towards her,
The congregation wouldn't take they eyes off her!
I hear moans and weeping coupled with soft but labored breathing,
I pinch myself, AM I DREAMING?
Invisible people speaking, we've met, but I don't remember meeting,
I don't remember these traditional teachings!!
I know I'm reaching into unallowed boundaries, but the rhymes are increasing,
My mind is breaching, I find it pleasing!
Inside the theater of Bar War, unlimited seating,
the kills, still fresh, the cadavers, still bleeding!
The war drum pounds like the wings of a owl beating,
Right before it snares its prey & it begins feasting,
How nice of you to join me this evening,
To see the symphony for its surface complexity out of deep simplicity,
You see, I achieve tranquility with obscure metaphors,
Entering doors not placed between walls, but in the floor,
Midnight strolls through groves of roses, sharing moments,
With whatever hostess is closest, before the solstice approaches,
The fire burns, BUT IT BURNS SMOKELESS!!
Ogres on flying locusts screaming �BUENOS NOCHES!!�
The final battle with vrill, the war cry�s build,
Run em over on the battlefield with chariot wheels,
My shield is composed of meteorite stone,
My sword is honed from a red dragon's rib bones,
Rippin� and spittin�, basic complex combinatrix,
For the agents, tryna hack into my Matrix!
5 out of 10 cases are found with their heads hacked off,
In several places, hanging from metal braces,
Long ago, the ghost of Plato befriended me,
With a amulet intended to anchor my memories,
Tabula Smaragdina, glow greener than any known reefer,
Harness the ether, talk to your leaders,
The seekers of beautiful bars, recording the position of the stars,
Undermining these immutable laws,
Correlating, DNA crossed-fading, what's the point in waiting,
We�re all aging, it's yours for the taking!
A black hole in the making, nothing but a wound gaping
From a womb where there's no escaping,
Only life-forms racing before and after mating,
And merry-making with partners that aren't even facing, WHAT ARE WE CHASING??
Our ancestors asked the same thing,
And we've gotten no closer then they've been, so I prey for the day when,
We don't even need eyes to confirm,
the science and the poor education we've put our faith in,
I don't write this to perform it, NOR, do I say it, to record it,
I feel that I am answering, A CALLING!!!!
Fantastic rhyme mechanics, like that of a blind pianist,
The keys are metallic, my fingers are magnets,
The music is magic, WHAT IS THIS MADNESS!?
The stanzas are rites of passage,
Your left brain habits become your baggage,
The masses become savage, roamin' the streets with torn fabrics,
Creativity is less than average
Every baby is born a bastard, so why did you have it!?
This question requires no answer or understanding,
The "C" of Tranquility, that is all I seek,
Nothing is complete without every separate piece,
The "C" of Tranquility, that is all I seek,
Nothing is complete without every separate piece,

The "C" of Tranquility, What will it really be,
What does the future hold, What do you really see??
I see a revolution in the industry that will ignite the re-birth of MC's lyrically!!
The "C" of Tranquility, What will it really be,
What does the future hold, What can you really see??
I see the partition of God's religion, become united by our bars & our common visions!!
The "C" of Tranquility, What will it really be,
What does the future hold, What do you really see??
I see a revolution in the industry, that will ignite the re-birth of MC's lyrically!!
The "C" of Tranquility, What will it really be,
What does the future hold, What can you really see??
I see the partition of God's religion, become united by our bars & our common visions!!
The "C" of Tranquility, What will it really be�
What does the future hold�
 
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new account2;794081 said:
my point was influence means what tho???? Kobe was influenced by James Naismith......I bet James Naismith would crush kobe in 1 on 1........

when you think kobe you know you also thinking of mj my point is no naismith would not but can still be respected as the starting point and as a legend
 
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BEAM;794082 said:
Pun, I agree with Account2.

Canibus ain't seeing Lupe.

I fuck with Lupe, so I don't have a problem with people thinking he's better than Canibus. For me, though, it's too close to call, and I think I was one of the first in this thread to mention Lupe as giving Canibus viable competition with the pen and pad.

But Eminem? Hell no.
 
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Punisher__;794196 said:
I fuck with Lupe, so I don't have a problem with people thinking he's better than Canibus. For me, though, it's too close to call, and I think I was one of the first in this thread to mention Lupe as giving Canibus viable competition with the pen and pad.

But Eminem? Hell no.

So let's discuss interpretations, yes?

To save from a long-winded explanation, I'll just ask who trumps who in regard to diff skills?
 
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These rhymes resemble knots being tied to time lines,

Becomes a nonlinear noose that will snap your mind,

FIRST! Sever your spine, SECOND! Normal M configurations

Are dismembered and disconnected, very unpleasant,

My third effort employs absurd ethics,

Kangaroo execution court is in session after dawn, but before breakfast,

Expert effective mass burial method so well measured

It's impressive and intensive, not to mention expensive,

Extensive templates taken from all global nano-industrial sectors,

No wonder I'm so aggressive at Tetris,

Pardon me, but I must beckon your attention for no more than several seconds

With the minor hypocritical questions,

Let�s say, I had to make an exception,

Where I complied to exhume a body for postmortem autopsy inspection,

I request the best yes-men,

That promptly recovered the radio frequency identification pin,

Then, trigger the transponder located under the skin

Of the deceased until it showed me a grid,

If that went over your head (HUH) then I�ll be more than pleased to show you again,

But I must rescind, I have pressing matters to attend,

It's my wife�s birthday & I can't be late for delivery

On her customized marble grey bidet, good day!

What the fuck did he just say?! SEE!! Why can't I bust my way?


do you know what a m configuration is?do you know what global nano-industrial sectors are?thats why you dont get the tetris part and think hes just stringing words together!
 
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Punisher__;794151 said:
LOL. I wasn't even trying to discredit you or be offensive or whatever. So my fault if that's what you took from my post.
I'm just sayin', this is a pattern I've noticed with people who dismiss certain rappers, while advocating for others. And I don't think it's by coincidence that these parallels occur as often as they do.

People dismiss Canibus because his lyricism is too complex, AND the content he touches on is far too abstract for the average listener to take in. That's why I said he's too convoluted for you cats, because I honestly think he is.

There's no doubt in my mind that if people actually understood all those big, scientific terms and how they all relate to one another, in context to what Canibus raps about, then people would understand why he's so lauded as a lyricist.

now that you realize nonna that sidebar shit applies to me.... we back on track........

your vocabulary doesnt demonstrate your lyricism........your content doesnt demonstrate your lyricism.....Eminem vocab wise is mostly an abc rapper.......what makes him ill is how he puts it together

thats what seperates lyricism.....

how you use certain poetical elements to put your lyrics together.....the actual writing of your lyrics

Canibus talks a whole lotta shit thats irrelevant to everyday life........which seems to get some people such as yourself, confused with lyricism......Canibus rarely displays anything outside of punchlines......he streches his syllables out every now and then....and throws in a punchline here and there....other than that......there isnt too much to Canibus in the lyrical aspect....a whole lotta big words and content that isnt built for everyday listening.......

I'm sorry that doesnt fool me...

How can a person such as myself see the Art in what Lupe does but denounce canibus as a lyricist.....that should make you stop and think for a second......Canibus NEVER went over my head.......there isnt too much there as a lyricist

If you want to give him props for bringing different shit to the table content wise, do that.......but LYRICISM.......nah....he aint competing with the greats........not even close....
 
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BEAM;794207 said:
So let's discuss interpretations, yes?

To save from a long-winded explanation, I'll just ask who trumps who in regard to diff skills?

exactly........

yall's argument.....content vs content....

My argument lyrical ablilty vs lyrical ability......

Canibus brings different content to the table........but skills wise.......Canibus aint on the same level as a lotta folks........
 
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new account2;794245 said:
exactly........

yall's argument.....content vs content....

My argument lyrical ablilty vs lyrical ability......

Canibus brings different content to the table........but skills wise.......Canibus aint on the same level as a lotta folks........

LOL. I have argued both ability AND content.

I don't know what you're seeing or choosing to see, but I have obviously given a break down of both, a lot of which you chose to overlook.

Like I said, I'm not trying to be condescending or dismiss you as a dummy...but truth is, you don't know what you're talking about.
 
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thedesolateone;794186 said:
when you think kobe you know you also thinking of mj my point is no naismith would not but can still be respected as the starting point and as a legend

ok...so canibus influenced em..........

does that mean canibus cant be surpassed.....

thats my point.....hip hop is all about influence......but that doesnt mean u cant be passed up
 
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Punisher__;794266 said:
LOL. I have argued both ability AND content.

I don't know what you're seeing or choosing to see, but I have obviously given a break down of both, a lot of which you chose to overlook.

Like I said, I'm not trying to be condescending or dismiss you as a dummy...but truth is, you don't know what you're talking about.

I failed to see any evidence of you proving anything about his lyrical ability......just the same ol "He's over your head" argument that has plagued this same discussion board for years......you call me out about my proof, i throw up two examples......... yet you havent matched any of my proof

just face it......any time me and you debate, you just cant counter anything I say...... so you take garbage ass attempts to discredit me....in that reasonable doubt thread, you had nothing for me........so I was "from the south".......now "I must be white"..........and i dont know what i'm talking about...lol.........

it irks you cause you cant kick that bullshit to me.......be honest with urself and just go a head and say that yo......
 
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new account2;794282 said:
ok...so canibus influenced em..........

does that mean canibus cant be surpassed.....

thats my point.....hip hop is all about influence......but that doesnt mean u cant be passed up

yes he can be surpassed but he hasnt been surpassed in my opinion canibus has surpassed rakim lyrically rakim being canibuss' influence

but no eminem has not surpassed canibus but eminem is still in the top 15 best rappers of all time eminem is sick but canibus is like the black plague: Yo,

I've been dealing with hate since 1998

I punished the industry by dominating mixtapes

None of ya'll can stop the onslaught of those bars

Rainfall and fireballs fell from the stars

The speech pattern of God, I ripped off weak rappers jaws

Whoever ignored lyrical law

Hip Hop didn't understand it at all

They couldn't manage my thoughts

So I retreated to the land of the lost

Don't talk about beats talk about bars

Canibus so raw that rejection is your only response

Give a fuck if I sell one unit

'Cause that was never the motivation for me to do this, stupid

I've already proved it

Now I must prepare for my posthumous interview with the vampire Druids

That are coming to relieve me of my fluids

Believe me I'm the truest, thats why they can't stop my music


The subject matter sound barely connected

Even when it's understood it's rarely respected

The evidence is staring directly at the detective

Alex Jones left me a message saying I won't be accepted

NOW who's the skeptic

The Melatonin Magik Deception

I will never be available for questions, get the fuck out my session

I've learned my lesson, media suppression is a weapon

They fucked up Hip Hop's progression


how self aware is that?

he is what homosapiens are to homoerectus in hip hop terms

closest one to him is k-rino and not many people have heard of him but if your a writer or tried to rhyme and rap and write lyrics and have studied the great writers and poets you know they are the illest lyrically eminem included but canibus is in a league of his own as ive stated earlier thats all
 
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new account2;794334 said:
I failed to see any evidence of you proving anything about his lyrical ability......just the same ol "He's over your head" argument that has plagued this same discussion board for years......you call me out about my proof, i throw up two examples......... yet you havent matched any of my proof

just face it......any time me and you debate, you just cant counter anything I say...... so you take garbage ass attempts to discredit me....in that reasonable doubt thread, you had nothing for me........so I was "from the south".......now "I must be white"..........and i dont know what i'm talking about...lol.........

it irks you cause you cant kick that bullshit to me.......be honest with urself and just go a head and say that yo......

LOL. This is a perceptive topic, anyway. So what kind of proof do you need?

You said we're only arguing content vs. content, when I have obviously touched on ABILITIES, as well.

You just choose to read what you want to read, and pick parts of the arguments that better suits whatever it is you're trying to negate.

You just really come across as an inexperienced debater, no offense.
 
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