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mc317;6014862 said:1. The Low End Theory by A Tribe Called Quest
2. Breaking Atoms by Main Source
3. Death Certificate by Ice Cube
4. De La Soul Is Dead by De La Soul
5. Step in the Arena by Gang Starr
6. 2pacalypse Now [Original recording reissued] by 2Pac
7. Quik Is the Name by DJ Quik
8. Apocalypse 91: The Enemy Strikes Black [CD] by Public Enemy
9. Naughty By Nature by Naughty By Nature
10. Organized Konfusion
11. NWA-niggaz4life
12. Compton Most Wanted-Straight Checkin Em
1991 called Kurt Cobain told him to eat a heroin infused cock
Garv*;6015256 said:The op was talking about balance. Nas bigs up European designers as well, but he also has an whole album dedicated to African problems and African peoples. He has another solo album dedicated to the plight of Black people in the Americas as well, no point in bringing Nas up in that regards.
I hear what op is saying, Jay does have an inferiority complex, and the thing is whites see right through it. Nigga bigs up Basquiat in every line like he just found out about him yesterday in order to appeal to the hipster crowd, same reason why he bigs up Picasso, all his career he has always tried to market himself as this sophisticated intelligent black man, but it just comes across as forced, i was hearing about Andy Warhol when i was 7 hes hardly the best kept secret, but Jay will throw his name in his rhymes even though he probably couldn't give a fuck about him, to try differentiate himself from the normal black rapper, to differentiate himself from the Jeezys and the Futures etc.
Garv*;6015256 said:The op was talking about balance. Nas bigs up European designers as well, but he also has an whole album dedicated to African problems and African peoples. He has another solo album dedicated to the plight of Black people in the Americas as well, no point in bringing Nas up in that regards.
I hear what op is saying, Jay does have an inferiority complex, and the thing is whites see right through it. Nigga bigs up Basquiat in every line like he just found out about him yesterday in order to appeal to the hipster crowd, same reason why he bigs up Picasso, all his career he has always tried to market himself as this sophisticated intelligent black man, but it just comes across as forced, i was hearing about Andy Warhol when i was 7 hes hardly the best kept secret, but Jay will throw his name in his rhymes even though he probably couldn't give a fuck about him, to try differentiate himself from the normal black rapper, to differentiate himself from the Jeezys and the Futures etc.
usmarin3;6015396 said:NothingButTheTruth;6015251 said:JM1971;6015140 said:Why does it seem like people skim through Jay's stuff and not nitpick other artist the same way as Jay get's criticized. What is it about Jay that causes people to debate with all feelings and assumptions rather than doing research and bringing facts? People get overzealous when criticizing him lol.
If anything, Jay has kept it realer than people give him credit for. I think artist like like Nas has displayed more questionable behavior throughout his career than Jay did. But I guess Nas's "image" or what people "perceive" that he stands for and the fact he's the underdog prevents him from getting nitpicked.
I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars
They criticized me for it, yet they all yell "holla"
Truthfully I wanna rhyme like Common Sense
But I did 5 mill' - I ain't been rhyming like Common since
Yeah he dumbed down his music and still made Blueprint, Black Album, American Gangster and Magna Carter. Ha!
Like i said, what he sacrificed in lyrics he made up being a more complete artist and that's what that dumb down line means.
For all the niggas screaming Reasonable Doubt this or that, just remember most you niggas didn't buy it when it dropped or weren't old enough.
JM1971;6015140 said:Why does it seem like people skim through Jay's stuff and not nitpick other artist the same way as Jay get's criticized. What is it about Jay that causes people to debate with all feelings and assumptions rather than doing research and bringing facts? People get overzealous when criticizing him lol.
If anything, Jay has kept it realer than people give him credit for. I think artist like like Nas has displayed more questionable behavior throughout his career than Jay did. But I guess Nas's "image" or what people "perceive" that he stands for and the fact he's the underdog prevents him from getting nitpicked.
DR. JEK;6015810 said:JM1971;6015140 said:Why does it seem like people skim through Jay's stuff and not nitpick other artist the same way as Jay get's criticized. What is it about Jay that causes people to debate with all feelings and assumptions rather than doing research and bringing facts? People get overzealous when criticizing him lol.
If anything, Jay has kept it realer than people give him credit for. I think artist like like Nas has displayed more questionable behavior throughout his career than Jay did. But I guess Nas's "image" or what people "perceive" that he stands for and the fact he's the underdog prevents him from getting nitpicked.
If you look at how many passes this guy gets in the rap game, the fact you cant even say Reasonable dought was ahhight instead of a classic without jigga warriors coming in with the same tired bullshit in rebutals, the fact that Jay can bite lyrics, nigga name dropped plenty on his albums without catchin any of the heat The Game catch, gets gorified for shit Nas gets crucified over, got niggas actin like cant nobody outrap him on a song even tho Ye does it repeatedly, .....Come on man, for every 1 person that gives him criticism on this site you know there are 3 people ready to sweep it under the rug and dickryde his money, his marriage to Bey, his past sells like that matters if current shit is good or not, and just plain ol "call a nigga a hater when they cant refute nothing effectively" ass posters when they hero gets talked about. Niggas act like Jay z finna send them a check n shit. You can save that Jay gets a raw deal shit because niggas turn this shit into a jay z lifetime achievement award ceremony everytime somebody post something meh about what jay say or did.
JM1971;6015963 said:DR. JEK;6015810 said:JM1971;6015140 said:Why does it seem like people skim through Jay's stuff and not nitpick other artist the same way as Jay get's criticized. What is it about Jay that causes people to debate with all feelings and assumptions rather than doing research and bringing facts? People get overzealous when criticizing him lol.
If anything, Jay has kept it realer than people give him credit for. I think artist like like Nas has displayed more questionable behavior throughout his career than Jay did. But I guess Nas's "image" or what people "perceive" that he stands for and the fact he's the underdog prevents him from getting nitpicked.
If you look at how many passes this guy gets in the rap game, the fact you cant even say Reasonable dought was ahhight instead of a classic without jigga warriors coming in with the same tired bullshit in rebutals, the fact that Jay can bite lyrics, nigga name dropped plenty on his albums without catchin any of the heat The Game catch, gets gorified for shit Nas gets crucified over, got niggas actin like cant nobody outrap him on a song even tho Ye does it repeatedly, .....Come on man, for every 1 person that gives him criticism on this site you know there are 3 people ready to sweep it under the rug and dickryde his money, his marriage to Bey, his past sells like that matters if current shit is good or not, and just plain ol "call a nigga a hater when they cant refute nothing effectively" ass posters when they hero gets talked about. Niggas act like Jay z finna send them a check n shit. You can save that Jay gets a raw deal shit because niggas turn this shit into a jay z lifetime achievement award ceremony everytime somebody post something meh about what jay say or did.
I agree, overzealous fans are annoying and they can come off as irrational and difficult to have a civilized debate with. But tbh, I've never seen a thread where someone just said anything Jay made was just "aight", the criticism always seems to be in extremes filled with a lot of misinformation and it's like the OP never does their homework before posting, but there's a tone of conviction with their post and they come off as though what they say is fact.....and anyone who doesn't share their viewpoint is a "stan" or whatever. That's how it looks imo. Everything just seems to be in extremes lol. On that note, I do agree that Reasonable Doubt isn't a true classic just off the strength of the lack of impact it had in 96...but it's his best lyrical effort. You also mentioned that Jay bites lyrics, and that's another critic I don't get. Do people honestly believe that Jay is really trying to pass off those lyrics as his own? Why do people feel that way? I never heard anyone critique that about him until after Ether came out. Dude is smart enough to come up with his own quotes, hot lines, ghostwrite for others, and run successful businesses but he's somehow dumb enough to believe that he can pass off lines from famous songs as his own lol? Every artist in hip hop has quoted another rappers lyrics out of respect. The culture in general is built off sampling period. Jay get's quoted so much that it's crazy, but other rappers aren't under the same microscope I guess. Pac quoted Method Man and CL Smooth lyrics on All Eyes on Me ("I came to bring the pain, hardcore to the brain, lets go inside your gastroplane") ("2 years ago, a friend of mine told me Alize and Cristal blows your mind"). Snoop redid and entire Slick Rick song on Doggy Style, Biggie quote Slick Rick on the Hypnotize chorus. I understand a lot of the other criticism about dude to an extent, but not the whole "he's stealing lyrics" thing. What is the definition of biting, because I've seen stuff that was labeled as biten while a similar act gets a pass.
Game's style is just annoying to me lol, I don't think he's a biter, he name drops because he's a fan of the "the game", hence his name is "Game", but his first album was OD annoying to me because he name dropped back to back in every verse on every single track. That's his style though.
white715;6014768 said:How is talking about white people and European Culture 95% of the time being diverse?
Gotti was a racist but he still get praises
We don’t give a fuck, nigga gangsta is gangsta
I used to drink Cristal, them fuckers racist
So I switched gold bottles on to that Spade shit
waterproof;6016355 said:man that nigga was getting paid from Spade anyways then after that he was seen, pictured drinking cristal again, that nigga was doing it for publicity he's a business man remember
UPTOWN CONNEXX;6014057 said:manofmorehouse;6013877 said:These are usually the same people that say Jay hasnt grown as an artist. It's a cautionary tale actually. As a black man, you can only be successful to a certain degree before you're considered an uncle tom. We're the only race that does this though. You never hear other groups of people saying "this guy is just too well rounded" or "I can't listen to this dude because of his expanded view of the world". SMH
i completely disagree with this
jay z has his murder to excellence moments ... but there's no balance. i dont think jay is a sell out, but at what point do you stop and say "ok man ... white ppl dig you. you no longer have to prove it to them or look for their approval"
maybe he just doesnt understand white supremacy ... but he does know about it tho
"only spot a few blacks the higher i go"
fact is, at some point during your success you gotta get those white folk out of your circle. so you say we're the only race that does this right (call our successful ppl sambo's etc)?? but you never see asians or arabs etc allowing other races to be a part of the things they are successful in or what they control. we ALWAYS do it AND IT IS ALWAYS OUR DOWNFALL. we always seem to play the game wrong and we even get mad when others criticize us for it. common black ppl even get mad when ppl try to explain it to them. next time a vote comes up in your town and the old church ppl start passing out flyers telling you to exercize your right to vote. tell them that technically we are supposed to be voting for the candidate that will help us with our problems the most. they will quickly tell you 'we have to fix our own problems" ... ok then why the fuck should i vote then LOL
JM1971;6015140 said:Why does it seem like people skim through Jay's stuff and not nitpick other artist the same way as Jay get's criticized. What is it about Jay that causes people to debate with all feelings and assumptions rather than doing research and bringing facts? People get overzealous when criticizing him lol.
If anything, Jay has kept it realer than people give him credit for. I think artist like like Nas has displayed more questionable behavior throughout his career than Jay did. But I guess Nas's "image" or what people "perceive" that he stands for and the fact he's the underdog prevents him from getting nitpicked.
