It´s a wrap for Scarface :(

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Hopefully he makes it through this, I really can't believe he actually has 13 different baby mommas. Even Luke who has fucked every bitch that moves in Miami hasn't had so many kids.

And to whoever claimed to be the biggest Geto Boys fan, I think here you got some challenge cause they are my absolute favorite act in hip-hop.

Face should have listened to his own words in one of the Geto Boys albums when he talked about using condom.
 
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bmoreeast;2055158 said:
Iv actually met alotta dudes that were arrested on C/S. Iv actually never heard of a case as severe as this one. They dont usually let it get this high. Their usually on it after the first few missed payments. It could be some other shit involved but it sounds like he pretty much fuked hisself up.

Arrested...yeah. Held without bond? Nah
 
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bmoreeast;2055158 said:
Iv actually met alotta dudes that were arrested on C/S. Iv actually never heard of a case as severe as this one. They dont usually let it get this high. Their usually on it after the first few missed payments.

That's what I thought was fishy about it as well
 
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bigrizz;2055241 said:
Arrested...yeah. Held without bond? Nah

I think he does have a bond but he has a 'no bail' out St. louis. They not saying wat that case is tho, last i read anyway.
 
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bmoreeast;2055281 said:
I think he does have a bond but he has a 'no bail' out St. louis. They not saying wat that case is tho, last i read anyway.

But that shit should be public record....that shit is weird, and fucked up. He been in for almost 5 months!!
 
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bigrizz;2055126 said:
Dont know who i "aligned" myself with by speaking on facts, but, ok......I just never seen anyone get held over child support. Especially a person the feds have been fucking with for years....They had feds watching every move he made. They tried to hit him with the RICO law.....And they didnt get him

He's w/out bond on the federal charge.

The child sup. is window dressing.

We both agree that they are trying to get him on something larger...

Where we disagree is why.

To you: he is an innocent pawn being targeted by the man, and since they missed on the RICO charge, he MUST be innocent...

To me: You sleep with dogs, you get fleas. J. Prince (and Jimmy Henchmen, Suge, go down the line) all have ties, whether srong or loose, to real criminals. Lets cut tha politically correct bullshyt, ok...
 
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s2jepeka;2055340 said:
He's w/out bond on the federal charge.

The child sup. is window dressing.

We both agree that they are trying to get him on something larger...

Where we disagree is why.

To you: he is an innocent pawn being targeted by the man, and since they missed on the RICO charge, he MUST be innocent...

To me: You sleep with dogs, you get fleas. J. Prince (and Jimmy Henchmen, Suge, go down the line) all have ties, whether srong or loose, to real criminals. Lets cut tha politically correct bullshyt, ok...

Well they tried to get him with the RICO law. There is a reason why that law has been protested against. Just KNOWING a person doesnt make you guilty. If i walk outside right now, ill see about 4-5 convicted felons. Martin Luther king had a criminal record for gods sake. And they should let it be known what that federal charge is, not just hold someone until they can connect the dots. Thats wrong. Never said once that he was innocent, just that the circumstances are funny as hell
 
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s2jepeka;2055096 said:
Posts like this is why we aint NEVER gon reach the mountain top lol smh

Yes, the 'man' is against us...institutionally, inherintly, etc.

BUT, The second we align ourselves wit nggas who sell drugs and have blood on heir hands, we take 10 steps back, and lose all credibility.

Becasue w/ every case of claimin 'its a set up' for police goin after nggas that WE ALL DAMN WELL KNOW R DOIN CRIME, it completely diminshes and KILLS any argument for actual cases of impropriety.

So thank you for adding to the problem

Thar realness brother.

We continue to perpetuate a cycle of self destructive behavior. How many artists on Rap-A-Lot have taken issue with J Prince's shady dealings?

Z-Ro, Scarface, Yukmouth. Just to name a few. Yet we continue to defend these individuals as if they some representation of the plight of Blak People as a whole.

What we need to be doing is condemning behavior which paints us in a negative light. Stop treating every successful black man as if he were some prophet reincarnate regardless of the means by which he accumulated his wealth.

Stop being ignorant and running to the defense of the indefensible under the banner of racism and claims that the white man is out to get you.
 
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itsjoey;2055315 said:
Here are the records:
http://www.co.montgomery.tx.us/mcso/JailRosterDetail.asp?jailid=351430

As you can see, there is no bond for the second charge, only for the fifth charge (that´s the one of the mega hoodrat)

XXLMAG confirms it:
Facemob, who has been in custody since October 13, is being held without bail.

Source: http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2011/02/...port-federal-charges/comment-page-2/#comments

You the shit!!

Yeah that does make sense. They dont usually give u a bail if you have too many open charges wit the same offense. Then you figure that he's considered a major flight risk and the amount of time they say he's been wanted then a 'no bail' was inevitable.
 
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bigrizz;2055374 said:
Well they tried to get him with the RICO law. There is a reason why that law has been protested against. Just KNOWING a person doesnt make you guilty. If i walk outside right now, ill see about 4-5 convicted felons. Martin Luther king had a criminal record for gods sake. And they should let it be know what that federal charge is, not just hold someone until they can connect the dots. Thats wrong. Never said once that he was innocent, just that the circumstances are funny as hell

At the end of the day the Feds aint goin on wild goose chases. Ask Meech.
 
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some of yall got some every bad info the feds been fucking with rap a lot way before any idea of starting a black distribution company yall been listening to that gimmick shit

J Prince: Leave a Nigga Alone
Rap COINTELPRO IV: Congress Holds Hearings On DEA Rap-A-Lot
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Rap COINTELPRO Part IV: Congress Holds Hearings On DEA Rap-A-Lot Investigation

For the past two days I have attended Congressional hearings on the Drug Enforcement Agency's (DEA) Investigation of Rap-A-Lot Records. While the hearings were called by Republican members of the House Committee on Government in an effort to provide evidence or to imply through innuendo that Rep. Maxine Waters and even Vice-President Al Gore intervened to slow or end a DEA investigation of James Prince, the head of Rap-A-Lot records, some of the most striking information revealed in the hearings was the extent to which the federal government had placed federal informants in not just Rap-A-Lot Records but throughout Houston's 5th Ward section.

The federal government, with the help of the Houston Police Department, infiltrated Houston's Fifth ward in a manner that can only be classified as military in nature. For at least 8 years, the DEA and Houston Police Department worked aggressively to form an intelligence network that would result in the conviction of James Prince and the shutting down of Rap-A-Lot records. It was also revealed in the hearings that the DEA has over 300 DEA agents in Houston alone and when combined with the Houston Police Department task force currently has over 400 people working the city in the "War on Drugs" effort.

Depending upon whose testimony you rely upon the DEA investigation of Rap-A Lot records began in early 1992 and possibly 1988 when two large cocaine busts were made. The DEA claims that since that time 20 arrests were made in connection with the investigation, with convictions ranging from drug use and sales to murder.

But in over 8 years the investigation never produced proof that the intended target, James Prince, formerly known as James Smith, was guilty of any suspected crimes.

During the hearings, DEA Special Agent In Charge Of The Houston Field Office, Ernest L. Howard spoke of the great effort and energy expended to attract and groom informants from Houston's inner cities to be of help in the investigation. Agent Howard explained how difficult it was to "infiltrate the 5th Ward" and that the investigation made "no progress from 1992-1997" until the government began to have success in its efforts to recruit informants in the 5th Ward and inside of the Rap-A-Lot organization.

And Agent Howard left little doubt that the government was looking to use its informants and its intelligence network to build a case that would not only lead to the arrest of James Prince but would which would also shut Rap-A-Lot down, as a business enterprise.

And the manner in which the DEA hoped to do this was made clear during the investigation: the government hoped to get James Prince in jail and to shut the legitimate business activities of Rap-A-Lot records down under the Racketeering In Corrupt Organization Act (RICO) which allows the government to associate entire organizations/businesses with the criminal activities of its members.

RICO is the ultimate guilt-by-association statute in the federal government's arsenal, which allows it to link the activities of executives with those of employees and individuals with that of corporations.

"The only way that we were going to get the target (James Prince) of this investigation was through a conspiracy", Agent Howard stated during the hearings.

Agent Howard then offered that there were two individuals affiliated with Rap-A-Lot records which they hoped to arrest and/or turn into informants who would be "key to proving a conspiracy".

A letter was also released during the hearings written by James B. Nims, Group Supervisor in the DEA, to Rep. Dan Burton (R-In), chairman of the Committee on Government Reform which revealed that multi-platinum artist, Scarface, was a significant target of the DEA investigation and that the DEA was working to get Scarface to turn against James Prince.

In the letter Nims writes to Burton:

"In regards to the US Attorney's Office, we could not convince them to indict Brad Jordan, AKA "Scarface", even though I strongly believe we had him tied in solidly on a federal drug conspiracy charge. This was devastating to the case as we felt that Brad Jordan could have provided us with important leads and information regarding Mr. Smith."

Many close to the investigation say that an indictment against Scarface never occurred because the evidence against him was so weak and that the DEA was willing to do almost anything to pressure Scarface in an effort to get him to become an informant.

The reason that Rep. Maxine Waters was the focus of committee hearings was because of the fact that Rep. Waters wrote a letter to Attorney General Janet Reno in August of 1999, after Prince sought her help, fearing that his life was in danger due to the DEA /Houston Police Department investigation.

Rep. Waters wrote the letter which reflected her commitment to issues of civil rights violations, unlawful search and seizures, racial profiling and police brutality.

Prince especially believed that one of the officers on the case, Jack Schumacher, was harassing him and Rap-A-Lot in a manner that could have led to Prince's death.

Rep. Waters asked Reno to give the matter her full consideration and attention. Republicans believed that Rep. Maxine Waters' letter to Reno resulted in the investigation against Rap-A-Lot ending.

The reason that Al Gore's name entered the hearings was because in March of 2000 Gore visited a popular Houston church, Brookhollow Baptist Church, where James Prince is a member. Prince is said to have given the church over $1 million in donations.

Three days after the Gore visit, agent Schumacher was given a desk job. Republicans sought to determine whether there was any connection between the Gore visit and the decision to move Schumacher.

In one of the hearings more bizarre moments Schumacher stated that he heard that Prince had made an illegal donation of $200,000 to the Gore campaign.

When pressed by Congressional Black Caucus member Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.) Schumacher admitted that the information regarding Gore and Prince was unsubstantiated. Schumacher told the committee, "It is third-hand information that has not been corroborated". Schumacher said that he received the information from a source that he had never had contact with before.

Yesterday, Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) who represents Houston, questioned Schumacher and Agent Howard regarding the allegations and innuendo that Vice-President Gore and Rep. Maxine Waters interfered with the DEA investigation.

The questioning revealed that there was no evidence that supported the claims.

In total, the investigation brought the power of the DEA, IRS and Houston Police Department against a Hip-Hop label.

Some say that the information that came out of the investigation that revealed how the government recruited informants in Houston's inner cities reminds them of the tactics used by former FBI head J.Edgar Hoover who in 1968 established the "Ghetto Listening Post" in inner cities across the country - an effort that resulted in the recruitment of 3,248 informants.

The DEA Rap-A-Lot investigation is full of lessons for the Hip-Hop community.

Please read:

Dallas Morning News Full Coverage Of DEA Rap-A-Lot

Rap Case Suspension Wrong, DEA says

DEA Says Rap Drug Probe Ongoing

Cedric Muhammad

Friday, December 08, 2000
 
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s2jepeka;2055399 said:
At the end of the day the Feds aint goin on wild goose chases. Ask Meech.

But they have a way of fucking with you until you give them what they want. Like barry bonds trainer. That nigga still in jail just for him not testifying against him. The feds aint no joke. Theres black panthers still locked up to this day, when cointelpro was shown to be setting niggas up
 
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bmoreeast;2055393 said:
You the shit!!

Yeah that does make sense. They dont usually give u a bail if you have too many open charges wit the same offense. Then you figure that he's considered a major flight risk and the amount of time they say he's been wanted then a 'no bail' was inevitable.

FTA is falure to appear. If you have failed to appear you wont get a chance at bond until you actually appear in front of a judge, and they usually will ask for an elevated bond if they give you one at all.
 
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bigrizz;2055036 said:
I dont pretend to know what business dealing these dudes have. I dont speculate. But i DO know is all these dudes had plans to make the first black owned distribution company and all of a sudden, all 3 were getting fucked with by the feds. Im not an idiot and that shit didnt happen by chance. You must think that because obama is in office racism stopped. The race card still exists. fuck what you heard, 500 years of getting fucked over due to what you were born as aint gonna change overnight.

And supreme didnt front money to start murder inc. Def Jam did. Gotti was Jay-z manager. And it is the white man against us. why you think theres only been one black president. And he aint did shit to improve blacks situation

Nigga there's some flaw in your story trust me. Especially that Murder Inc shit.

Also you niggas is hilarious. Suge and Prince have charges..OF COURSE the feds don't want them to start a label because they suspect that they'll do more money laundering. You niggas is hilarious.

And obviously they're right i mean are you tryna say that J Prince doesn't have that reputation of a street dude? Same thing with Suge? Exactly. And they been had multiple lawsuits and arrest SINCE they started Death Row and Rap-A-Lot and plus Murder Inc, Death Row and Rap-A-Lot have alot of known criminals or ex-criminals working for them so of course the feds think they up to some dumb shit. Wtf you think?!

That's like me being a damn bank robber and gettin' caught and then years later apply myself for a job @ the bank. Yeah i might not rob another bank again but who knows? And it's a risk so most ppl would turn me down or keep an eye on me. That's the bed you made for yourself when you out there in the streets and gettin' caught. That shit haunts you.

Yeah white ppl might start labels the same way but how MANY white folks you know start labels with multiple felonies/charges before they even entered the music game and have alot of known criminals/ex criminals working for you while making music about "that real live shit" you claim you really live while also portrayin' an image of a mob/blood/drug dealer or whatever? Easy: 0

White ppl are smarter. IF they do it that way they prolly hook up some typa deal with desperate ass black/latino criminals who they know are money hungry so they dont have to lift a finger in that department and without them gettin' they hands dirty. Or they just don't portray a fuckin' image, claim they "real thugs" or "real g's" or tell it all to the world, have multiple felonies and shit and then start a distrubution label.

But fact is most white distrubution labels DON'T start that way so don't even try it.
 
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