Is overpopulation the world's biggest problem now?

[kingblaze84]

Overconsumption is the problem, not necessarily over population.

As nations modernize, they will only consume more and more. Modernizing nations will use more oil for industry (hurting the environment more), chop more forests down, dig deeper for water for growing populations, and overuse other resources. Nations that modernize don't consume less, so I guess overconsumption will become an even bigger problem down the road. Earth is in a tricky situation in many ways.

 

[kingblaze84]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overconsumption

The Worldwatch Institute said China and India, with their booming economies, along with the United States, are the three planetary forces that are shaping the global biosphere.[4] The State of the World 2006 report said the two countries' high economic growth exposed the reality of severe pollution. The report states that:

The world's ecological capacity is simply insufficient to satisfy the ambitions of China, India, Japan, Europe and the United States as well as the aspirations of the rest of the world in a sustainable way.



--Since we live in an era where economics and jobs are the number one priority, I don't see overconsumption slowing down in any major way. How Earth's environment handles this down the line, will be interesting.

 

[LONDON!]

i only build wit peeps on political shit on these forums, to be put up on game, vice versa or expose shit i feel like yeah, most people on these forums that are in higher education or could work wit goverment organizations in the future, who see system corruption & be on some, "yo, so that conspiracy theorist on internet forums back in the day was correct", & expose that shit, i'm trying too breed whistleblowers, it only takes one & its the only reason i'm gonna respond too this loon

1.your saying you can handle information about your hero leaders that you don't like, but after typing i'm a former AIDS researcher a billion times wit cited sources, documents & people in the real world that exist, you still can't seem too handle that, like you know man or sumthin, you can't even handle sumthin as simple as that

2.i have seen the US Special Cancer Virus Program progress reports & have there logic flowchart in my possession. In the documents it cites robert gallo as the chief officer of that operation. They wern't working on no cancer cures but instead trying too put animal viruses into the human genome then as it says in there flowchart lastly, to do clinical trials wit the virus they created, 'fact'. Then i showed you a link too one of the viruses robert gallo & the rest created called esp 1 in that same program thats damn near identical too the AIDS virus, but you couldn't flop this, explain this or handle this, this is from US goverment documents, but i suppose only documents you like from the goverments you idolise, are the ones you register

3.i'll give you extra ketchup on the side on milton william cooper & only because it wasn't document heavy in citations, you get what i'm saying, a conspiracy is theory of elements adding up too sumthin you can't prove, leonard horowitz came wit documents too back up his shit, how's he a conspiracy theorist, the future since then, has backed up most of what both these two brudda's were promoting

4.boyd graves had AIDS, while doing his research, a doctor put him up onto a rabbi called dr.marvin antelman who had the product imusil. This was given too Marvin by your hero Robert Gallo as a peaceful gesture too marvin for stealing his ideas from him while they was at uni. Imusil was registered wit US patents USPTO, as a cure for AIDS by marvin in october 14th 1997, here's the link too it...
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...50&s1=5676977.PN.&OS=PN/5676977&RS=PN/5676977

...It was a onetime injection given too boyd by these doctors & he was back too good health in no time, but in july 2003 he was kidnapped by pigs, called racial slurs, beaten & injected wit sumthin, but suprise, suprise, no police record of this exists

who knows if imusil is the cure, a antidote is documented in the flowchart too the virus they created & did clinical trials on, maybe gallo gave him this as a peace gesture or is just fucking wit him even more, he's a evil dickhead, he's a pussyole.

Maybe there in cahoots & the system wants more humans too die first, who knows, i do know this, its extremely hard too get products patented wit the uspto & especially for sumthin as controversial as imusil & lastly, the clinical trials were relatively successful but they don't seem too want to release this for no apparent reason or do more research on it, fact

5.your a clown on purpose, the californian mainstream elite eugenics movement inspired hitler, eugenics was public mainstream in the west back then, tuskegee alabama experiment, sterilazation programs being exposed in the 30's, public racist laws, there was a atmosphere of rabid, foaming of the mouth racism back then amongst the global western elite, colonialism, civil rights laws, all the way too the 60's, nazi's come into the US military/intelligence appratus mid 40's, then there talking about a biological weapon publicly in 48, mk naomi & operation s.o.x in the 50's, the us special cancer virus program from 62 too 78, the 69 US congress report House Resoulution 15090 were the military were asking for 10 mil too finish creating a AIDS type virus, the picture they showed publicly of the esp 1 virus they created in the special cancer program in 74. The timeline & places of the mass epidemic of the AIDS virus in the late 70's, early 80's, in league wit vaccinations programs & the end of the cancer virus program and there public trials as outlined in the flowchart. The fact they were discussing putting biolgical weapons in 48 & in the special cancer virus thing, all they were doing was trying too create viruses by putting animal viruses into the human genome aswell

6.it basically comes too this, if the US goverment was behind this virus, in league wit other puppet goverments, there not goin too admit, this is a much bigger scale than that tusgekee devilishment, its war crimes on a global scale, unprecendented since slavery, severe prison sentences & trillions of reparation type money they would have too pay out, plus the key players listed in the progress reports are mostly still alive

7.i've come wit documents, facts, real people, you've come wit opinons & 'wikipedia' sources & gibberish, answer

the most important question let alone all the other facts & documents, why has the AIDS virus got visna in it, a known man made nazi sheep disease, your hero, that devil robert gallo has even admitted too this

8.you have too think outside of the box, unchain your mental shackles of mainstream indoctrination & brainwashing from mainstream society & take 'facts', 'documents', history, experience of the world & then add it up wit common sense, not only to do these things wit shit you like too hear about your perfect, saint, hero's, shit that suits your mentality & philosphy or won't rock your wife, two kids, cat & dog, nice car, bills & decent, stressful hours type job type bubble, that mainstream has certain people under, that i could understand, there brainwashed & indoctrinated to think certain goverments can do no wrong & its only the systems 'enemy's that could do suck devilshly evil type of acts, they only get soundbites & cnn, you get what i'm saying, i'm not mad at em

you on the other hand, you get on like your austitic, no disrespect too peeps wit autism, i have genuine empathy, but your thing wit your condition, is that you have seemed too have latched onto hero worshipping the US goverment witout fail & witout skipping a beat, too the end, not matter how gibberish your shit is, i feel for you, i really do, but i might be wrong, you might just be some loony uncle tom type, which i feel for you aswell, because i know you ain't got the sense too know any better, its all good, i'm done

i will respond too any questions from peeps, but i'm not entertaining this loon on this matter anymore unless its sense, even if i don't agree

london, its serious, its serious, get money movements, i'm gone

 

[janklow]

1.your saying you can handle information about your hero leaders that you don't like, but after typing i'm a former AIDS researcher a billion times wit cited sources, documents & people in the real world that exist, you still can't seem too handle that-

because you're not a former AIDS researcher. simple as that. you don't read a book about medicine and claim you're a doctor. there are ACTUAL AIDS researchers in the world, and you are not one of them.

2.i have seen the US Special Cancer Virus Program progress reports & have there logic flowchart in my possession

oh my god NOT A FLOWCHART

4.boyd graves had AIDS, while doing his research-

you should put "research" around the work of anyone who's telling you they'll cure your AIDS with silver oxide.

...It was a onetime injection given too boyd by these doctors & he was back too good health in no time, but in july 2003 he was kidnapped by pigs, called racial slurs, beaten & injected wit sumthin, but suprise, suprise, no police record of this exists

so he cured his AIDS, but then he was mysteriously abducted and infected in a manner that NO ONE can prove? because that's a totally believable story.

5.your a clown on purpose, the californian mainstream elite eugenics movement inspired hitler, eugenics was public mainstream in the west back then, tuskegee alabama experiment, sterilazation programs being exposed in the 30's, public racist laws, there was a atmosphere of rabid, foaming of the mouth racism back then amongst the global western elite, colonialism, civil rights laws, all the way too the 60's, nazi's come into the US military/intelligence appratus mid 40's, then there talking about a biological weapon publicly in 48, mk naomi & operation s.o.x in the 50's, the us special cancer virus program from 62 too 78, the 69 US congress report House Resoulution 15090 were the military were asking for 10 mil too finish creating a AIDS type virus, the picture they showed publicly of the esp 1 virus they created in the special cancer program in 74. The timeline & places of the mass epidemic of the AIDS virus in the late 70's, early 80's, in league wit vaccinations programs & the end of the cancer virus program and there public trials as outlined in the flowchart. The fact they were discussing putting biolgical weapons in 48 & in the special cancer virus thing, all they were doing was trying too create viruses by putting animal viruses into the human genome aswell

word salad != real argument

6.it basically comes too this, if the US goverment was behind this virus, in league wit other puppet goverments, there not goin too admit, this is a much bigger scale than that tusgekee devilishment, its war crimes on a global scale, unprecendented since slavery, severe prison sentences & trillions of reparation type money they would have too pay out, plus the key players listed in the progress reports are mostly still alive

the main thing i took away from this is that i am not sure you actually know what the Tuskegee Experiment did.

7.i've come wit documents, facts, real people, you've come wit opinons & 'wikipedia' sources & gibberish-

see, this is your typical go-to when people disagree with you. is there a reason why i can't dismiss your post as opinions and/or gibberish? because i think i'll just do that.

8.you have too think outside of the box-

the saddest thing about people who want you to "think outside the box" is how upset they get when people don't agree with them.

its all good, i'm done

why do you keep saying this kind of thing and then continue to post?

look, i am sorry that the scientific community (you know, the one that includes actual AIDS researchers) doesn't agree with you. i am not sure why random crackpot figures somehow trump that, because they don't.

 

[Seansauce]

Yeah we are way overpopulated in the sense that we can't all live peaceful in our current worlds model at the rate we are growing. Of course there is room to accommodate but it becomes about resources, being able to offer lives to the increasing number of people. As the population increases it just creates a larger gap between the rich and the poor which will end up being the biggest problem associated with over population. Countries will cripple fast.

 

[kingblaze84]

Yeah we are way overpopulated in the sense that we can't all live peaceful in our current worlds model at the rate we are growing. Of course there is room to accommodate but it becomes about resources, being able to offer lives to the increasing number of people. As the population increases it just creates a larger gap between the rich and the poor which will end up being the biggest problem associated with over population. Countries will cripple fast.

You nailed it and as I'm watching the news these days, this seems to be slowly becoming obvious to many. Nations worldwide as I've said here before are unable to properly take care of many of their citizens, some scientists even say global warming is part of the reason the wars in Syria are going on right now. Brutal weather/droughts wiped out a lot of farming in many areas there and also around the world, causing displacement and ugly competition between diff people. Water, clean water at least, is not available in big enough numbers at this time.

If even Germany is complaining about the many people coming into its borders these days, imagine how bad poor nations are gonna have it when millions and millions of people don't have enough water or land or housing to themselves. Not sure how water scare nations are gonna handle the avalanche population wise that's about to come, but I hope they find a way to do so.

 

[Seansauce]

You nailed it and as I'm watching the news these days, this seems to be slowly becoming obvious to many. Nations worldwide as I've said here before are unable to properly take care of many of their citizens, some scientists even say global warming is part of the reason the wars in Syria are going on right now. Brutal weather/droughts wiped out a lot of farming in many areas there and also around the world, causing displacement. Water, clean water at least, is not available in big enough numbers at this time.

If even Germany is complaining about the many people coming into its borders these days, imagine how bad poor nations are gonna have it when millions and millions of people don't have enough water or land or housing to themselves. Not sure how water scare nations are gonna handle the avalanche population wise that's about to come, but I hope they find a way to do so.

Global warming is going to be a serious issue here in the next twenty years. I hope we as humans can come together and function as a unit before issues like this become prevalent. I'm in California and every lake within two hours is bone dry. As far as drinkable water goes, we're at a point in the world where more people have a cell phone in their pocket than have access to fresh drinking water. My pops company goes out to Africa and drills water wells and they still almost do nothing for the communities out there. I believe 30+ thousand kids are dying a day due to being without water. The picture below depicts the amount of drinkable water and breathable air left in comparison to earth.

 

[kingblaze84]

You nailed it and as I'm watching the news these days, this seems to be slowly becoming obvious to many. Nations worldwide as I've said here before are unable to properly take care of many of their citizens, some scientists even say global warming is part of the reason the wars in Syria are going on right now. Brutal weather/droughts wiped out a lot of farming in many areas there and also around the world, causing displacement. Water, clean water at least, is not available in big enough numbers at this time.

If even Germany is complaining about the many people coming into its borders these days, imagine how bad poor nations are gonna have it when millions and millions of people don't have enough water or land or housing to themselves. Not sure how water scare nations are gonna handle the avalanche population wise that's about to come, but I hope they find a way to do so.

Global warming is going to be a serious issue here in the next twenty years. I hope we as humans can come together and function as a unit before issues like this become prevalent. I'm in California and every lake within two hours is bone dry. As far as drinkable water goes, we're at a point in the world where more people have a cell phone in their pocket than have access to fresh drinking water. My pops company goes out to Africa and drills water wells and they still almost do nothing for the communities out there. I believe 30+ thousand kids are dying a day due to being without water. The picture below depicts the amount of drinkable water and breathable air left in comparison to earth.

That picture illustrates what words could never say, that picture pretty much could be the total truth (I hope it's not THAT bad water wise but it likely is). You living in California is amazing because I've read all the stories about what's happening there and you can put what's happening in better perspective than I can. California, if it was its own nation, would be like the 8th or 9th largest economy in the world, and we see how they are struggling with water. So how are so many other nations supposed to deal with their own lack of water when they aren't part of a superpower like the US?

And that's sad what you say about your father's company in Africa, it kind of makes sense though because there is simply not enough water in parts of Africa. And overtapping for water has its own environmental problems.

 

[Seansauce]

That picture illustrates what words could never say, that picture pretty much could be the total truth (I hope it's not THAT bad water wise but it likely is). You living in California is amazing because I've read all the stories about what's happening there and you can put what's happening in better perspective than I can. California, if it was its own nation, would be like the 8th or 9th largest economy in the world, and we see how they are struggling with water. So how are so many other nations supposed to deal with their own lack of water when they aren't part of a superpower like the US?

And that's sad what you say about your father's company in Africa, it kind of makes sense though because there is simply not enough water in parts of Africa. And overtapping for water has its own environmental problems.

Yeah California is pretty bad right now. It's a 500 dollar ticket if you get caught washing your vehicle at home. Sprinklers are also a ticket now I believe. The golf courses are all nearly dried up. We are on the verge of funneling it in from AZ and Nevada which is also drought stricken.

Many of those nations still send the women out to gather water in buckets in which one or two buckets are used between 3 or 4 people as a source of drinking, cleaning, bathing and cooking water. My pops company has gone into Africa and Afghanistan and provided wells for small communities to use. It is really sad I always wish there were more I could do. A little white kid from the suburbs set up a foundation out in Africa to supply bottled water to many areas that are without I know his group is getting bigger every year. I pay 40 a month to help a kid over there I believe he gets water clothing and school which is about all I can do in my position. Akon and other rappers have helped recently in other areas by providing power so they have some things to be happy about. I see small development being made in certain areas over the next few years but nothing thats going to solve the problem.

 

[kingblaze84]

^^^

$500 for a ticket for washing a car?? Damn things are really getting bad there in Cali. Scientists also said yesterday California has not experienced droughts this bad in over 500 years based on tree studies. How California is gonna deal with that and its growing population is beyond me.

And you and your pops are honorable people for trying to help like that. I wish I could do more for the world too but with so many mouths to feed worldwide and not enough water and resources to go around, it's gonna be an uphill battle long term. With needy populations growing worldwide, global warming and water scarcity are only going to get worse. The best thing for nations to do now is contain the damage to the planet that global warming and overtapping of resources is creating, but unfortunately, the number one priority for nations now is economic development. That means more drilling/fracking and we all know what that will do to the Earth long term. I see more people being displaced in the coming future. And what happens after that, who fucking knows.....

 

[Rembrandt]

I will perhaps get to answering your question in a freer moment; but for now I ask this... How does one control overpopulation without resorting to genocidal methods?

 

[kingblaze84]

I will perhaps get to answering your question in a freer moment; but for now I ask this... How does one control overpopulation without resorting to genocidal methods?

Great question. I think govt officials worldwide should make a general effort to encourage more use of birth control and maybe a voluntary sterilization program for people WHO DO NOT want children. That would be a big help. Even better if people get paid to do this, for incentive reasons.

Also, public commercials telling people in water scarce nations that there simply is not enough water to take care of all the people who are alive now and that there is nothing wrong with not having children. In some societies, it's very taboo to not have or want kids, so if commercials or advertising campaigns can help remove the stigma some societies have on not having kids, it would go a long way.

Furthermore and not to sound cold, but there should be legalized euthanasia or right to die programs for the elderly and/or very, very sick. California, Vermont, Montana and some other states have programs like this already, and it can help keep health care costs down, especially for poor nations that are already struggling with these costs. Again, all this should be voluntary.

 

[Rembrandt]

I notice you used the "voluntary" word a few times; do you really have faith that people, the vast majority of them driven by selfish motives, would voluntarily agree to such "cures"?

Ill expand; Take euthanasia for example...you'd be hard pressed to find a majority of people with relatives in near-death states ready to pull the trigger. Familial sentiments tend to be very strong.

Further, you have the reality of the social benefit system in most developed countries. "Why should we volunteer for this scheme of we contributed to our health care through our taxes?" Some will say. We would, I think, have almost no charitable persons ready to give up their elderly for the good of us all.

Voluntary sterilization is readily available, as far as I'm aware, and yet there are no long lines at the tube-tying clinic, and other similar.

So is a voluntarily driven system really the best non-lethal solution here? If it is unassailably proven that our resources cannot support future populations, can we really rely on the masses themselves to volunteer fixes?

 

[kingblaze84]

I notice you used the "voluntary" word a few times; do you really have faith that people, the vast majority of them driven by selfish motives, would voluntarily agree to such "cures"?

Ill expand; Take euthanasia for example...you'd be hard pressed to find a majority of people with relatives in near-death states ready to pull the trigger. Familial sentiments tend to be very strong.

Further, you have the reality of the social benefit system in most developed countries. "Why should we volunteer for this scheme of we contributed to our health care through our taxes?" Some will say. We would, I think, have almost no charitable persons ready to give up their elderly for the good of us all.

Voluntary sterilization is readily available, as far as I'm aware, and yet there are no long lines at the tube-tying clinic, and other similar.

So is a voluntarily driven system really the best non-lethal solution here? If it is unassailably proven that our resources cannot support future populations, can we really rely on the masses themselves to volunteer fixes?

All legit points and while I agree legalized euthanasia will be a hard sell for many people, I think euthanasia for the critically ill is not as hard a sell as you may think. Suicide is like the 10th highest cause of death worldwide. I do agree family ties would be a problem, especially for relatives in denial about treatment but legalized euthanasia for people is not even legal in many parts of the world. If it becomes legal in more places around the world, as it is in Montana and Oregon, then the stigma should disappear.

Voluntary sterilization programs are readily available but the cash and bonus incentives are not there yet worldwide for the most part. That needs to change. I know Singapore and China have cash and food incentives for couples and singles who want to be sterile, India too. More nations need to be able to do this and if the United Nations gets more funding for this, then nations can better be able to afford incentive based sterilization programs.

On that note, I agree my ideas being voluntary will not TOTALLY fix the problem of overpopulation/overconsumption. But I think it's a step in the right direction, until better solutions can be thought of.

 

[imgoingtoheavenru?]

Only the wicked believe such things. Therefore God will return their corrupt thoughts upon their own heads, and will not allow them to see the kingdom of God. Amen.

 

[kingblaze84]

Only the wicked believe such things. Therefore God will return their corrupt thoughts upon their own heads, and will not allow them to see the kingdom of God. Amen.

Reducing the world population to under 500 million is WAAAAAY unrealistic, we're at 7 billion now, with 9 billion to be on Earth by 2050 or less. Who made that monument?

And newsflash, Earth is the one turning humanity upon our heads because water shortages are becoming very real worldwide, is your god going to magically give more water to places around the world that need it?? If not, then think of some solutions instead of preaching. I have family who travel and build homes and schools worldwide, and the water shortage problem is a very serious thing. Wars are raging across the world now because of the lack of resources, water specifically, being in shorter and shorter supply. If you can think of some solutions to all this, please let us know.

 

[imgoingtoheavenru?]

Only the wicked believe such things. Therefore God will return their corrupt thoughts upon their own heads, and will not allow them to see the kingdom of God. Amen.

Reducing the world population to under 500 million is WAAAAAY unrealistic, we're at 7 billion now, with 9 billion to be on Earth by 2050 or less. Who made that monument?

And newsflash, Earth is the one turning humanity upon our heads because water shortages are becoming very real worldwide, is your god going to magically give more water to places around the world that need it?? If not, then think of some solutions instead of preaching. I have family who travel and build homes and schools worldwide, and the water shortage problem is a very serious thing. Wars are raging across the world now because of the lack of resources, water specifically, being in shorter and shorter supply. If you can think of some solutions to all this, please let us know.

The monument is called the Georgia Guidestones. It's what the "elite" are planning for their NWO. But in all actuality it is the judgment of God upon a Christ rejecting world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

As for the water shortages, it's the last days and the stage is being prepared for the great judgement of the 3rd seal of Revelation 6 and the 3 trumpet of Revelation 8.

1/4 of the worlds population will be killed at the beginning of the tribulation. That's almost 2 billion people gone if that happened today. But that is only the beginning of the judgments on planet earth. Amen.

 

[kingblaze84]

Only the wicked believe such things. Therefore God will return their corrupt thoughts upon their own heads, and will not allow them to see the kingdom of God. Amen.

Reducing the world population to under 500 million is WAAAAAY unrealistic, we're at 7 billion now, with 9 billion to be on Earth by 2050 or less. Who made that monument?

And newsflash, Earth is the one turning humanity upon our heads because water shortages are becoming very real worldwide, is your god going to magically give more water to places around the world that need it?? If not, then think of some solutions instead of preaching. I have family who travel and build homes and schools worldwide, and the water shortage problem is a very serious thing. Wars are raging across the world now because of the lack of resources, water specifically, being in shorter and shorter supply. If you can think of some solutions to all this, please let us know.

The monument is called the Georgia Guidestones. It's what the "elite" are planning for their NWO. But in all actuality it is the judgment of God upon a Christ rejecting world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

As for the water shortages, it's the last days and the stage is being prepared for the great judgement of the 3rd seal of Revelation 6 and the 3 trumpet of Revelation 8.

1/4 of the worlds population will be killed at the beginning of the tribulation. That's almost 2 billion people gone if that happened today. But that is only the beginning of the judgments on planet earth. Amen.

That's nice and all but it's still not a solution or even an attempt at a solution of overconsumption. But if you are trying to say mankind is screwed either way because most people worldwide reject Christ as "savior", then perhaps Jesus can prove once and for all he is savior and ummm, bring some more clean and accessible water into the world? Just saying.

 

[zzombie]

look we will solve these issues before they become a major issue water desalination technology will become cheaper and better and thanks to vertical farming so will food production

 

[imgoingtoheavenru?]

Only the wicked believe such things. Therefore God will return their corrupt thoughts upon their own heads, and will not allow them to see the kingdom of God. Amen.

Reducing the world population to under 500 million is WAAAAAY unrealistic, we're at 7 billion now, with 9 billion to be on Earth by 2050 or less. Who made that monument?

And newsflash, Earth is the one turning humanity upon our heads because water shortages are becoming very real worldwide, is your god going to magically give more water to places around the world that need it?? If not, then think of some solutions instead of preaching. I have family who travel and build homes and schools worldwide, and the water shortage problem is a very serious thing. Wars are raging across the world now because of the lack of resources, water specifically, being in shorter and shorter supply. If you can think of some solutions to all this, please let us know.

The monument is called the Georgia Guidestones. It's what the "elite" are planning for their NWO. But in all actuality it is the judgment of God upon a Christ rejecting world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

As for the water shortages, it's the last days and the stage is being prepared for the great judgement of the 3rd seal of Revelation 6 and the 3 trumpet of Revelation 8.

1/4 of the worlds population will be killed at the beginning of the tribulation. That's almost 2 billion people gone if that happened today. But that is only the beginning of the judgments on planet earth. Amen.

That's nice and all but it's still not a solution or even an attempt at a solution of overconsumption. But if you are trying to say mankind is screwed either way because most people worldwide reject Christ as "savior", then perhaps Jesus can prove once and for all he is savior and ummm, bring some more clean and accessible water into the world? Just saying.

go to 14:00-15:10 in the video. (But for those who are hungry watch the whole vid) Amen.