Is not responding to disses cowardly

[dirk calloway]

Jay has more history with Cam and Jimmy tho. Remember, they were dissin jay on Dames behalf pretty much.

no he doesnt.

when that nigga came back from vacation, he wasnt fuckin' with the Dips from the get-go.

what was going on between Dame and Jay had little if anything at all to do with them so their disses were unwarranted. and Cam was pulling dumb publicity shit just like Game does. holding press conferences in his pajamas talkin' about some nigga threw up the roc sign when he got shot, the whole chancleta fiasco, etc. c'mon son lol

yea it was clown shit, but Cam got dealt with, as should any other notable cat throwing darts.

 

[dirk calloway]

Do you really think that Jay Z was obligated to accept that challenge? Do you think that Mos Def is obligated to prove himself against any and every person that might call him out?

absolutely not. he's not "obligated" to do anything but if someone looks at that as cowardly or thinks he should fall back from claiming to be the best then he and his fans need to accept that criticism.

dont make songs trying to "remind" me of what you've done. i know what you did, and yeah it was great, but what the fuck are you doing now,b?

like i said, i dont want to make this a Jay Z thing because he's not the only offender. Nasir should have spanked that dude NYOil when he was on the radio talking shit before Untitled dropped.

 

[dirk calloway]

Jay commented on that in his last XXL interview. IIRC, I don't think he saw it as a "friendly match" and viewed as a "nigga throwing shots" comment. He said something to the effect of "Mos has been hanging around with Dame, so who knows what's going on there" which I thought was kind of bitch made for Jay to assume everybody that associates with Dame has it in for him.

but they both showed each other love at the Grammys. slapped him up and gave 'em a hug and everything lol

he has anxiety about battling for some reason

 

[Yungin T. Jeezie]

LOL at KRS sitting in a retirement home battling an old man for his jello

SMH @ KRS eating the jello thru his nose, ouch

 

[1449225]

dudes aint worth the wasted lyrics

they aint on Jay level

Game and Sigel not worth the lyrics and not on Jay level but why diss Deshawn Stevenson? Dude's not even a rapper

 

[godbynature]

absolutely not. he's not "obligated" to do anything but if someone looks at that as cowardly or thinks he should fall back from claiming to be the best then he and his fans need to accept that criticism.

I don't think that anyone has a problem with accepting your criticisms. I think that the Jay Z critics have a hard time dealing with reality which is why you're so critical in the first place. We'll(fans) accept your criticisms, but you have to accept the fact that your criticisms probably aren't going to make him fall back or change how he chooses to handle things. That's why I think that instead of complaining and whatnot, you should just try to understand where he's coming from.

dont make songs trying to "remind" me of what you've done. i know what you did, and yeah it was great, but what the fuck are you doing now,b?

I liked Reminder. It was one of the only songs on BP3 where we got the cocky-MC Jay Z. That's Jay Z at his best in my opinion. As far as what he's doing now, where have you been? What hasn't he done since BP3 came out?

like i said, i dont want to make this a Jay Z thing because he's not the only offender. Nasir should have spanked that dude NYOil when he was on the radio talking shit before Untitled dropped.

I just think that you're being too selfish and demanding. These guys are 30-40 year old established legends. Too expect them to respond and prove themselves to each and every person who has something sideways to say about them is almost disrespectful in my opinion.This is HipHop and showing and proving is always expected, but only to a certain extent. Nas doesn't have to respond to NYOil in order to maintain his name and rep. That's nonsense to me.

Game and Sigel not worth the lyrics and not on Jay level but why diss Deshawn Stevenson? Dude's not even a rapper

Please post any lines Jay Z spat at Deshawn Stevenson. I've yet to hear this infamous diss.

 

[dirk calloway]

I don't think that anyone has a problem with accepting your criticisms. I think that the Jay Z critics have a hard time dealing with reality which is why you're so critical in the first place. We'll(fans) accept your criticisms, but you have to accept the fact that your criticisms probably aren't going to make him fall back or change how he chooses to handle things. That's why I think that instead of complaining and whatnot, you should just try to understand where he's coming from.

fans wont. which is why we're having this conversation, no?

I liked Reminder. It was one of the only songs on BP3 where we got the cocky-MC Jay Z. That's Jay Z at his best in my opinion. As far as what he's doing now, where have you been? What hasn't he done since BP3 came out?

nothing that serves his legacy as an MC... including BP3. he can dedicate a whole song to complaining about other niggas complaining [Already Home] but don't want to shut dudes up? doesnt add up to me. Dame don't rap.

responding > wasting time trying to convince people why you shouldnt respond

I just think that you're being too selfish and demanding. These guys are 30-40 year old established legends. Too expect them to respond and prove themselves to each and every person who has something sideways to say about them is almost disrespectful in my opinion.This is HipHop and showing and proving is always expected, but only to a certain extent. Nas doesn't have to respond to NYOil in order to maintain his name and rep. That's nonsense to me.

no one has to do anything, bruh. And i never said that have to answer every bum that throws darts because not everyone is Kris Parker. but certain cats deserve to feel the pimp hand.

its purely about respect. if you ask for it, you have to show why you deserve it from time to time. hip-hop aint for slouches. Nasir had to learn that the hard way after Takeover dropped and people started writing him off.

i dont suffer from illusions of grandeur so i realize whether or not i state my opinion here, they're going to continue being the legends that they are. i can never say that just because Jay didnt respond he or his whole music career is wack... but it makes him look kinda corny when he acts like he's above saying "you throwing shots? iight, i got somethin' for ya ass"

Please post any lines Jay Z spat at Deshawn Stevenson. I've yet to hear this infamous diss.

[Intro]:
Hey nigga I was in Oakland, Oakland like Brooklyn
Short! Dog! Yay area!!!
They showed me so much love when I was down there I had to get hyphy on this one

[Verse 1]
Uh! Ask my nigga Lebron!
We so big we ain't gotta respond
When you talkin to a don, please have respect like your talkin to your mom
We let the money do the talkin
As you see we be talkin rather often (chatterbox!)
The ROC Boys in the buildin
Another hundred fifty million don't it sound like we yellin?!!!
Who the fuck overrated?! If anything they underpaid him
Hatin that's only 'gon make him spend the night
Out of spite with the chick you've been datin
We the best of the best
We 'gon be here so the rest could take a rest
I gotta get this off my chest
No pause none of that shit, get off my dick!!!!

[Chorus]: (Chorus courtesy originally done by Too $hort "Blow The Whistle)
BLOW THE WHISTLE!!! BLOW THE WHISTLE!!! BLOW THE WHISTLE!!! BLOW THE WHISTLE!!!

[Verse 2]:
Hold up, I gotta keep it real
It's gonna take seven movies by Will
Seven movies by twenty mil'
and you still ten short from what I did with one deal (DAMN!)
Don't compare me to nobody
I'd rather not be mentioned, I'm offended
Unless you talkin some not-your-James-Dean or
John Lennon (or) or Jimi Hendrix
I'm just a rock star, BEEYITCH!!
Keep it real, you know I got y'all BEEYITCH!!
We ain't in the same league
You could lie to yourself, you can't lie to me (uh-uh, uh-uh!)
I don't even know y'all name
I'm too big for ya, the rap Lebron James
Roc Nation, the new movement
And y'all money funny, what the fuck are YOOOU DOING??
I don't know what y'all on
This is chess - know the difference 'tween the king and the pawn

[Chorus]: (Chorus courtesy originally done by Too $hort "Blow The Whistle)
BLOW THE WHISTLE!!! BLOW THE WHISTLE!!! BLOW THE WHISTLE!!! BLOW THE WHISTLE!!!

Blow the whistle!

 

[jjswipe]

If fergie and nelly furtado can beef and go bacc and forth wit it, these rappers that feel that they dont even have to drop a line should be ashamed of themselves

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

The funny shit about this thread is it is not about Jay he is just a prime example of those not willing to do what it takes to keep HipHop HipHop. They seem so worried about their spot and position that they are fearful of Losing a battle. I mean Jay Bought the only Nigga that really beat him so he would not have too worry about that shit from someone he knew could hand him his ass to the point of tears. Now a few Kats throw shots he shuns them if they have any skills. Going at Jimmy and a basketball player, neither should have had a chance and Jimmy still hurt him. Being soft and complacent is one thing being fearful and greedy is cowardly...

 

[1449225]

If fergie and nelly furtado can beef and go bacc and forth wit it, these rappers that feel that they dont even have to drop a line should be ashamed of themselves

Fergie and Nelly Furtado were beefing? that show's you how out of the mainstream loop I am...where they calling out names or just subliminals?

 

[godbynature]

nothing that serves his legacy as an MC... including BP3. he can dedicate a whole song to complaining about other niggas complaining [Already Home] but don't want to shut dudes up? doesnt add up to me. Dame don't rap.

responding > wasting time trying to convince people why you shouldnt respond

Saying that he's doing nothing to serve his legacy as an MC is your opinion, and I think that reality clearly contradicts it. I think you're too caught up in your own personal opinions. There's a bigger picture where other people and their views matter.

responding > wasting time trying to convince people why you shouldnt respond no one has to do anything, bruh. And i never said that have to answer every bum that throws darts because not everyone is Kris Parker. but certain cats deserve to feel the pimp hand.

its purely about respect. if you ask for it, you have to show why you deserve it from time to time. hip-hop aint for slouches. Nasir had to learn that the hard way after Takeover dropped and people started writing him off.

i dont suffer from illusions of grandeur so i realize whether or not i state my opinion here, they're going to continue being the legends that they are. i can never say that just because Jay didnt respond he or his whole music career is wack... but it makes him look kinda corny when he acts like he's above saying "you throwing shots? iight, i got somethin' for ya ass"

What happened to respecting these guys for their skills on the mic and the fact that they release quality music? When did that stop being enough?

There's no comparison between The Nas-Jay Z situation and these Jay z-(insert rapper) situations. When Jay Z called Nas out, the public demanded that Nas respond. He couldn't just blow Jay Z off because the public pressure was too much. These current guys trying to go at Jay Z simply don't garner that kind of respect. \

Let's stop pretending that Jay Z doesn't respond to these guys too. He doesn't come out and directly engage them, but he subliminally responds on his own time. Who hasn't he responded to besides maybe Beanie Siegel? He even sent a line at Joe Budden on BP3.

[Intro]:

Hey nigga I was in Oakland, Oakland like Brooklyn

Short! Dog! Yay area!!!

They showed me so much love when I was down there I had to get hyphy on this one

[Verse 1]

Uh! Ask my nigga Lebron!

We so big we ain't gotta respond

When you talkin to a don, please have respect like your talkin to your mom

We let the money do the talkin

As you see we be talkin rather often (chatterbox!)

The ROC Boys in the buildin

Another hundred fifty million don't it sound like we yellin?!!!

Who the fuck overrated?! If anything they underpaid him

Hatin that's only 'gon make him spend the night

Out of spite with the chick you've been datin

We the best of the best

We 'gon be here so the rest could take a rest

I gotta get this off my chest

No pause none of that shit, get off my dick!!!!

[Chorus]: (Chorus courtesy originally done by Too $hort "Blow The Whistle)

BLOW THE WHISTLE!!! BLOW THE WHISTLE!!! BLOW THE WHISTLE!!! BLOW THE WHISTLE!!!

[Verse 2]:

Hold up, I gotta keep it real

It's gonna take seven movies by Will

Seven movies by twenty mil'

and you still ten short from what I did with one deal (DAMN!)

Don't compare me to nobody

I'd rather not be mentioned, I'm offended

Unless you talkin some not-your-James-Dean or

John Lennon (or) or Jimi Hendrix

I'm just a rock star, BEEYITCH!!

Keep it real, you know I got y'all BEEYITCH!!

We ain't in the same league

You could lie to yourself, you can't lie to me (uh-uh, uh-uh!)

I don't even know y'all name

I'm too big for ya, the rap Lebron James

Roc Nation, the new movement

And y'all money funny, what the fuck are YOOOU DOING??

I don't know what y'all on

This is chess - know the difference 'tween the king and the pawn

[Chorus]: (Chorus courtesy originally done by Too $hort "Blow The Whistle)

BLOW THE WHISTLE!!! BLOW THE WHISTLE!!! BLOW THE WHISTLE!!! BLOW THE WHISTLE!!!

Blow the whistle!

I don't see Deshawn Stevenson's name mentioned anywhere in these lines. I don't even see a obvious reference to him. Matter of fact, one of the first lines is "So we big we ain't gotta respond". It's ironic how this is labled a Deshawn Stevenson diss record, but the same people won't acknowledge Dear Summer or Prelude as Game diss records. There are obvious subliminal references on those records compared to Blow the Whistle.

 

[Capo1]

SMH at the stupidity in this thread. Jay-Z never "dissed" Deshawn stevenson. He sent one jab at him, with one line. And its hilarious how these ignorant Nas zealots look to do anything they can to disparage jay. Ether was the most overrated diss track of all time....nas may have won a battle, but jay clearly won the war. Imean, look at jay's career after the battle and then look at Nas'

SMH once again...

 

[curtis75black]

I'm really surpised this thread went 14 pages !! This has to be one of the best discussions/debates I've had in a min. Just like godbynature, my history also has been deleted. It is what it is. Would Jay treat Joe Budden the same as he did with his 1st single nowadays ? who knows !! Would Joe back down from Inspectah Deck in another life ? Who knows. I'll say this though, to all of y'all thinking "Battiling, Not Beef, Battiling is a waist of time, don't get all hostile if Jay happens to spaz on someone out the blue and homie shrugges it off with a "Whatever" because he doesn't respect his name anymore. Don't go calling homie soft or scared just because it's Jay since he's the highest caliber emcee avoiding confrontation except on the subliminal side of things.

 

[gee757]

That argument is so stupid. When Game dissed Jay, which was like what? 6 months ago, he's already an established artist. To the very extent of how Jay was when he dissed Nas, if not more. Game has sold 8 million albums to this point, as Jay did when he dissed Nas.

gayme has no legit beef wit j plus gayme said on da RED album he was dun wit da dissin so y did he get bipolar?? thatz y j didnt entertain doja cuz gayme is tryna SELL RECORDZ that type of hiphop beef is GAY cuuuurly made it that way!!

GEE757 you cool w/ me but I knew it wasn't going to b long before someody came with this lame ass excuse.

If a nigga punch me in the mouth i'm not going to respond with "I'm fuckin a bad ass bitch" or "I got money" I'm trying my best to knock that nigga out. This generation of rappers is to pussy for my liking.

again gayme & cuuurly have no legit beef wit j those 2 clownz was tryna sell recordz wit sum gay WWE RAP BEEF thatz y when j didnt entertain that shit both of them clownz push'd they albumz back cuz hova didnt take da bait....da broad street dummy was da only 1 wit legit beef till he decided 2 run wit a muuuunkey & tried 2 go off wit CUUUURLY & j just lauf'd that off while cuuurly gggg-uflop'd & beanz dug a hole & his rap career is OVA!! HA

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

gayme has no legit beef wit j plus gayme said on da RED album he was dun wit da dissin so y did he get bipolar?? thatz y j didnt entertain doja cuz gayme is tryna SELL RECORDZ that type of hiphop beef is GAY cuuuurly made it that way!!

again gayme & cuuurly have no legit beef wit j those 2 clownz was tryna sell recordz wit sum gay WWE RAP BEEF thatz y when j didnt entertain that shit both of them clownz push'd they albumz back cuz hova didnt take da bait....da broad street dummy was da only 1 wit legit beef till he decided 2 run wit a muuuunkey & tried 2 go off wit CUUUURLY & j just lauf'd that off while cuuurly gggg-uflop'd & beanz dug a hole & his rap career is OVA!! HA

In HipHop the only Beef Any rappers needs is the other saying he is better that is IT Gee, A lot of us are mixing street beef with HipHop beef and I believe that is why a lot of Fans that are not stans are not wanting the beefs anymore because of these niggaz mixing 2 seperate things and trying to make it one. I blame this Cube and Pac 2 of my favorites because they were beginning of brining street beefs to wax with No Vaseline and Hit Em Up(Honerable Mentions to Snoop and Dre for Dre Day)...

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

In HipHop the only Beef Any rappers needs is the other saying he is better that is IT Gee, A lot of us are mixing street beef with HipHop beef and I believe that is why a lot of Fans that are not stans are not wanting the beefs anymore because of these niggaz mixing 2 seperate things and trying to make it one. I blame this Cube and Pac 2 of my favorites because they were beginning of brining street beefs to wax with No Vaseline and Hit Em Up(Honerable Mentions to Snoop and Dre for Dre Day)...

Just so we can get back to the essence of the battle...

 

[Idiopathic Joker]

What do you fellas expect from a music that de-evolved from a artform with actual content to just a parade of coons on every station? Slowly and surely, hip hop has been embracing the gay culture. look at the fashion. rainbow colored shoes, rainbow colored clothes, skinny jeans. you fellas expect these new age homos to respond to beef? lol. the art of beef is dead.

 

[gee757]

In HipHop the only Beef Any rappers needs is the other saying he is better that is IT Gee, A lot of us are mixing street beef with HipHop beef and I believe that is why a lot of Fans that are not stans are not wanting the beefs anymore because of these niggaz mixing 2 seperate things and trying to make it one. I blame this Cube and Pac 2 of my favorites because they were beginning of brining street beefs to wax with No Vaseline and Hit Em Up(Honerable Mentions to Snoop and Dre for Dre Day)...

but n 2dayz hiphop beef that will lead 2 a whole lot of GUN TALK & that is corny especially when no1 is gonna get shot & da beef is gonna get squash'd thatz y da wwe rap beef n 2dayz hiphop is so lame & GAY!! rapperz would just b better off just makin musik instead of da wwe rap bs,,,

 

[biggar]

i'll always stand by the fact that disses today need to be taken into context of who is saying what about who and where they are at in the game

I didnt always have these feelings, and wish it wasnt this way, but too many cats now adays throwing stones and dissing for no reason but to better themselves.

I never think you should back down from a diss or beef b/c "You have too much to lose"

I agree. It depends on the source of the diss.

 

[brocktonpatriot]

I do think the current place of the rapper in the game does matter (whether he's a rapper talking shit on his block for some WSHH video or whether the rapper has other shit to put his energy on)

If Im Jay-Z, maybe the most accomplished rapper in the game, beautiful wife, most money, business man, etc...... why would I accept a battle from a man who is a couple notches below me and risk letting someone get shine off of my name. Why wouldnt he ignore it if: 1. The rapper will and his attacks will likely disappear and 2. The public will likely realize that the Attacker doesnt have a legit problem but just wants attention from WWE beef.

Rap isnt boxing. When people think floyd mayweather is a coward for ducking fighters, its because there are titles and records that can (not always but can) objectively create an challenger. With Rap, skills and who's nice and who would rip who's heads off in a battle is so subjective. That's y Im not against certain rappers who think that they are above responding others who try and pull stunts