Is it MVP or blacks in general

[DrMindbender122]

Damn thats weak. Probably the worse thing that could happen for dude right now.

Scratch that. Seems as though the story was bogus; saw it in one of the wrestling forums I was reading earlier.

 

[Mally_G]

2007-2008
a twenty man Battle Royal was held for the title on the July 20 edition of SmackDown!. Khali won after eliminating both Kane and Batista in one move, winning his first World Heavyweight Championship. Khali dominated and defeated both Batista and Kane in a Triple Threat match that same week at The Great American Bash.

Khali then began a feud with Rey Mysterio after Mysterio won a "Championship Competition" making Mysterio the No. 1 contender. On the September 7 edition of SmackDown!, after Mysterio defeated Chavo Guerrero in an "I Quit" match, Khali applied his Vice Grip on Mysterio until Batista came to the rescue. After the assault, General Manager Theodore Long informed Khali that he would be defending his World Heavyweight Championship against both Rey Mysterio and Batista in a Triple Threat Match at Unforgiven, which Khali lost to Batista after receiving a spinebuster. Khali challenged Batista to a rematch in a Punjabi Prison Match at No Mercy in which Khali lost by failing to escape the Punjabi Prison before Batista.

I see the reason why they gave Khali the title was because there was no one left to put it on. Everyone on Smackdown kept getting hurt, and I guess the writers saw an opportunity to put this monster over by giving him the belt and a new finisher to make him seem fresh. Instead of elevating the more exciting wrestlers who were smaller, they kept it on the big, less talented dudes until one of the more popular less talented dudes was healthy enough to run with the belt.

I don't think MVP ever got a major title shot. he was held up in the US title tier and when you thought it may be his time to step up, he was never given that chance or program to get in that position. He was popular as a heel and you didn't know how to take him as a face when he was "friends" with Matt Hardy. That storyline he was given had been done so many times, that it was unbelievable that he would want to be friends with Hardy and it was a predictable outcome with MVP turning on Matt. So no one can say that MVP was given a fair chance to get over, his career path was written so shitty, he was destined to fail.

 

[Wishbone Jones]

booker whoope dhis ass 5 times 5 times 5 times 5 times 5 times

 

[TrueGodHS]

I'd agree that R-Truth's mike skills suck. He gives promos like he's reading off of cue cards. But imo, MVP and Booker T were no more worse or better then some of the guys who have been in the main event picture over last decade. Brock Lesnar was a deaf mute for about 3 or 4 moths before he even spoke a word. And when did, he had a goofy ass voice and just sucked on the mike overall. Khali. Another deaf Mute yet, he got a run. Batista , IMO wasn't that great on either. All he did was a lot of yelling. Not to mention he had only had about 5 moves. Jeff Hardy wasn't really that good on the mike when he was in WWE. (although, I actually like him more in TNA right now).

Between MVP and Book, I'd say MVP is weaker. But Booker T without a doubt, imo had enough skills to be a credible face or heel. But he still got shitted on.

I CAN CO-SIGN THIS. Booker T was the most entertaining person in WWE for me throughout 2002-2003 since Rock and Austin wasnt around like that. But he never got his chance really. That was bullshit to me

 

[young chad]

It's the generation of black guys in wrestling...I mean seriously, all the nigga's they hire are ex-cons...where as most of, if not all the white guys are college educated. WWE has given every black wrestler a push, but the only one that could sustain it was the College Educated Dwayne Johnson....

Most of these other wrestlers are like Rappers, they are the flavor of the month, come in, get a huge early push for doing dumb rapper shit...and then get old and the fans wait for the next rapper. Same thing, MVP seemed like a good dude, but his promo's came off as a "nigga"...it's like, I hate to say it, but with some wrestlers they seem "universal" and then others they seem like nigga's no matter how you dress them up, what kinda music you give them...they still seem like "nigga's".

WWE has pushed a lot of black wrestlers, hell they had the Nation Of Domination, with all the Gold (besides the world title)...they had The Rock...Farooq, Ahmed Johnson....but it's like, half these other dudes suck on the mic, they get burried like every other wrestler, it just stands out more because there are 70 white wrestlers, so when 60 get burried, you still got 10 in your face everyday...where as there are 7 black wrestlers, and when they all get burried it looks like racism.

MVP's gimmick was not built to last, and did no leave room for improvement, like say a "Randy Orton"...or even D-Lo Brown...MVP, Kofi, R-Truth, they're all type cast..Booker was burried because when he was in WCW he COMPLETELY stole the Rock's gimmick, and WWE punished him for it, but he stuck with it and became King Booker...he paid his dues and his character was likeable..

If David Ortunga came in a "The Miz" he would be champ in a few years too...Miz put in WORK...he deserves the title, there were tmes I ONLY clicked over to WWE to see the Miz on the mic, like The Rock back in the day....no black wrestler has been that captivating for sustainable amounts of time (imo)

 

[sobek]

I don't see how it makes a difference if black wrestlers are ex-cons or talk like they're from the hood. The WWE has always pushed white trash/hill billy characters so why not push a dude that came from the hood? Collage education, imo means nothing in the world of wrestling unless it's actually being used as part of a gimmick. Collage education isn't something that imo, isn't even relatable to majority of wrestling's fan base as a whole either.

Even though he's collage educated, David Otonga's mike skills aren't better then MVP's, imo. Not to mention that he's probably the worst wrestler in Nexus. So, why did Otonga have a better spot in the company over MVP? Imo, it's because he represents a safe black image. MVP didn't. That's part of the same reason why the Rock was allowed to be as dominated as he was. In fact, the Rock wasn't even marketed as a black man. They always put more emphasis on his Samoan side over his black side. And I know some people might argue that he was in the nation of domination, but that was before he really blew up and became the people's champ.

And I just don't believe that the season why Booker T got shitted on was because he was being punished for being a Rock knock off. They made almost everyone that came over during the invasion angle into a bitch. DDP, Ryno, Tazz, etc. Him being black was probably just icing on the cake though.

And Booker T imo, even later on still wasn't truly credible. Even if a guy wins the Big one, but he always has to cheat or is helped by someone else in order to win, he's not truly a credible champion, imo.

Same thing with Eddie when he was champ.

 

[TrueGodHS]

I don't see how it makes a difference if black wrestlers are ex-cons or talk like they're from the hood. The WWE has always pushed white trash/hill billy characters so why not push a dude that came from the hood? Collage education, imo means nothing in the world of wrestling unless it's actually being used as part of a gimmick. Collage education isn't something that imo, isn't even relatable to majority of wrestling's fan base as a whole either.

Even though he's collage educated, David Otonga's mike skills aren't better then MVP's, imo. Not to mention that he's probably the worst wrestler in Nexus. So, why did Otonga have a better spot in the company over MVP? Imo, it's because he represents a safe black image. MVP didn't. That's part of the same reason why the Rock was allowed to be as dominated as he was. In fact, the Rock wasn't even marketed as a black man. They always put more emphasis on his Samoan side over his black side. And I know some people might argue that he was in the nation of domination, but that was before he really blew up and became the people's champ.

And I just don't believe that the season why Booker T got shitted on was because he was being punished for being a Rock knock off. They made almost everyone that came over during the invasion angle into a bitch. DDP, Ryno, Tazz, etc. Him being black was probably just icing on the cake though.

And Booker T imo, even later on still wasn't truly credible. Even if a guy wins the Big one, but he always has to cheat or is helped by someone else in order to win, he's not truly a credible champion, imo.

Same thing with Eddie when he was champ.

Co-sign this. I seen an article about Miz in the newspaper channeling his rise to WWE champ...Why cant MVP get a rags to riches type story too? Booker T always got fucked up, and that ex con shit is bullshit. Why hire a nigga then if he an ex-con? Whats the point?

Otunga is terrible. Terrible. MVP, Kofi, R Truth and Booker were miles ahead of him

 

[dalyricalbandit]

5 time 5 time 5 time 5 time 5time WCW Champion.....Suckaaaaaaaaaa......tell me u didn't a just say that.......lol booker was a fool

u know what piss me off when u have mark henry "the world strongest man" getin be wih a weak finisher al la a drop kick or some shit

 

[Dupac]

sion had some great points.. it's all about mic skills....

i mean as soon as kofi dropped that jamacian accent... dude's popularity jumped...

he's great int he ring... but his image does need a revamp...

his beef with randy orton was a good one.. however he just needs a new gimmick, and i think he can blow...

i think a good gimmick would be a downplayed val venis..

have him sneaking off with everybody's girl....and fucking them on the low.....

tht shit would be stereotypical, cuz of the "once u go black u don't go back" angle....so u know the insecurities of a lotta white ppl would play inot that shit greatly....

 

[benlin910]

the thing I like about TNA is that even if you get pulled back they are kinda fair about look at Jay Lethal Vs Eric Young Jay's on tv every week and Young when they decide what to do then they will try to push him to.

me too

lol

 

[Mally_G]

here's some more information on MVP and his release, it has to do with him complaining about black wrestlers not getting a chance.

Former WWE performer MVP left the company on relatively good terms, but had some heat on him prior to his release due to some racial comments he made. Following Michael Tarver and Darren Young being dropped from Nexus, MVP pointed out to a few people that how all of the African Americans were kicked out of the group quickly, except David Otunga, for obvious reasons.

You gotta take it from someone who was in the inside who been through it to know what they are talking about. Granted, Tarver isn't good, and Darren Young is too green, but what about the other members? They weren't much better, yet, they got to hang around longer. Why it got to be the black guys who get killed in the movies first?

 

[Mr. 66Hundred]

.... ain't Dwayne Johnson blacc???

anyway most blacc wrestlers have the worst finishers and are involved in the dumbest storylines

I get tired of the rappin gimmic (R. Truth)

fucc all this PG bullshit too

I was a hardcore wrestling fan... i don't even watch anymore

 

[Wishbone Jones]

lets get on the hoeeeeeeeeee train

 

[5th Letter]

mvp should have been elevated to the main event scene in 2008, he was skilled in every category, he could wrestle, he had charisma, he had pressence, and great mic skills, but the wwe never intended on pushing him past the mid card. however jack swagger can get a run, and wade barrett can get a run.

 

[drunkenone]

shelton pushes were legit actually

shelton was the black lance storm in WWE,,,very good technically but slim to none in the charisma department

he was mostly used as a tool to make MITB matches more interesting... that golden benjamin angle they did with him coulda worked if he had mic skills

alot of guys have strong southern drawls that jus dont translate well to the cable audience i guess

And that's why they should've kept managers around; let them do the talking for guys who are horrible at promos. It doesn't help either that you have D grade comedy writers writing the promos for guys instead of giving them the bullet points and letting them be themselves.

 

[Mally_G]

And that's why they should've kept managers around; let them do the talking for guys who are horrible at promos. It doesn't help either that you have D grade comedy writers writing the promos for guys instead of giving them the bullet points and letting them be themselves.

That's how Rock and Austin got over.

They actually laughed at and ripped up the scripts that were given to them. They took some of the key points from those scripts and ran with it