Is it MVP or blacks in general

[willhustle]

Booker was used as a false hope for all of the WCW wrestlers that came over in the buyout. The WWE made you believe he had a chance of taking down HHH and they even built the storyline up to where Booker was supposed to win by all standards of the storyline, but of course HHH shitted on him and beat him.

Most, if not all former WCW wrestlers win the Big Gold because that is the former NWA/WCW belt. That's why that belt was relegated to Smackdown during the split. Smackdown was supposed to be the rehash of WCW and was even treated that way. It had all the technical wrestlers, the smaller wrestlers, the lesser known wrestlers, with a few ME dudes tossed in there, but mainly Smackdown was never thought off as a quality show. RAW had all the big names and the better storylines, but their ME sucked because HHH was sleeping everyone in his path. If you go back, HHH literally was using a sleeper hold to beat his opponents during the original roster split..........disgraceful.

But the black wrestler has never been given a fair shake in wrestling. Ron Simmons won the WCW Championship because there was a civil lawsuit against the company for WCW firing minority employees in droves and they wanted to cover that shit up by putting the belt on a black man to show the courts they weren't racist.

If you listen to the Brickhouse Brown shoot interview, he even says that in some territories in the south, organizations were only allowed 1-2 blacks at a time and if a new black wrestler were to come in, they ship one of the others off to another territory. Then all they black wrestler was allowed to do was big a big ape type wrestler or show athleticism, but it never got them anywhere. They were all a sideshow act........and shit hasn't changed.

Damn so that's the story behind the scenes of him winning the WCW Championship? If so that's a very fucked up way to do it but I just hate how WWE has portrayed black wrestlers over the decades b/c it's always some sterotype behind the character either he dances, pimp, or thuggin'.

 

[real ness]

and that angle came on the heels of the WCW buyout

all the smarks and mags were predicting these great dream matches,,,but WWE never let them happen or atleast as planned

all the former WCW talent were basically used as step ladders in all the fueds

Booker's first fued was against the Rock. it was billed as Rock Bottom vs Bookend because booker had started using a modified uranage/rock bottom instead of the scissor kick...rock embarrassed him

then was the HHH thing where they insulted him as a man and constantly brought up his past to the point where JR brought it in damn near ever segment,,,then the golddust thing,,,poor booker

it took him like 6 years to get to that king booker status and even then he didnt win WWE's belt,he won the "big gold belt"

and if you notice,very few WCW guys have ever held the WWE title. they always win the World Heavy Title aka big gold belt

Dont forget his feud with Stone Cold that him as a shoplifter/store grazer

 

[TrueGodHS]

Booker T got fucked over heavy in 2002-2003 and 2004.

MVP been getting fucked over... Niggas be over with them crowds and WWE keep them down while pushing Juan Cena, Nexus and all them niggas..

 

[TheHitman]

Y'all think the reason is cuz wwe so big wit the southern redneck types that if they had a brotha in the top spot then they wouldnt spend money on the product?

Ridiculous but could be valid

 

[Chillin&Postin]

Y'all think the reason is cuz wwe so big wit the southern redneck types that if they had a brotha in the top spot then they wouldnt spend money on the product?

Ridiculous but could be valid

but WWE's main audience was never deep south... for years WWWF/WWF was known as "up north" in the biz because they were based out of NY and Connecticut

now TNA i could see having this issue but WWE tries to be the universal appealing product

actually,,, you cant name many if not any redneck gimmicks that have held a WWF/E title outside of Stone Cold...even JBL was a southerner who turned New Yorker

 

[jpcrack]

When Booker had his run as King that was some of the most entertain shit on WWE TV but they had HHH shit on the whole thing....and I remember that MVP Matt Hardy fued was the only thing that kept Smackdown interesting during that time....Shelton Benji One of the best performer WWE had always gave you a great match but the E shitted on his push.....I would Looooove to see Shelton and MVP hook up with Kurt on just just do a flat out Black wrestler invasion on TNA...REAL TALK!

 

[TheHitman]

TNA is just as bad. Jay Lethal is incredible IMO, dude is entertaining as hell and the whole Black Machismo gimmick was way over with the fans and then poof he kinda gets shelved for a while.

 

[movingfeet]

the thing I like about TNA is that even if you get pulled back they are kinda fair about look at Jay Lethal Vs Eric Young Jay's on tv every week and Young when they decide what to do then they will try to push him to.

 

[TrueGodHS]

When Booker had his run as King that was some of the most entertain shit on WWE TV but they had HHH shit on the whole thing....and I remember that MVP Matt Hardy fued was the only thing that kept Smackdown interesting during that time....Shelton Benji One of the best performer WWE had always gave you a great match but the E shitted on his push.....I would Looooove to see Shelton and MVP hook up with Kurt on just just do a flat out Black wrestler invasion on TNA...REAL TALK!

Exactly... MVP was the only reason I watched SD in 2007 and 2008... hell I used to watch SD for 20 minutes just to see if he was on that bitch. Dude is like one of my favorite wrestlers of this last era(2005-2010)

 

[sobek]

The WWE saying MVP couldn't be properly pushed because of his past is pure bullshit. For them to say that's the only way he could be pushed as a heel could be to bring up his criminal pass is an out right lie. Since when when do they actually delve into a superstars real life past in order to draw heat? Almost never. Stone Cold's probably beat every woman he ever been married to, and not once can I ever remember anyone on camera ever saying shit about it. Wade Barret was once arrested for assaulting a cop when he was in WWE's development facility down in Florida. Now he's a main event heel. Yet, they never made mention of it once on TV. Not to mention that he wasn't even fired for it. They cover up steroid use like a motha fucka so why not that?

If they wanted to make MVP into a serious Heel, all they had to do was have him attack and beat the biggest fan ass kisser of all-time, John Cena. Simple as that.

But as far as the stuff that went with Booker, he had it bad for two reasons. Being an Ex-WCW star and being black. After WWE bought out WCW, the creative team and bookies were probably licking their chops thinking about all the humiliating things they could do a Black WCW champion. Sting even said he made up his mind not to come to WWE after seeing how they made Booker look weak.

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[Mally_G]

The WWE saying MVP couldn't be properly pushed because of his past is pure bullshit. For them to say that's the only way he could be pushed as a heel could be to bring up his criminal pass is an out right lie. Since when when do they actually delve into a superstars real life past in order to draw heat? Almost never. Stone Cold's probably beat every woman he ever been married to, and not once can I ever remember anyone on camera ever saying shit about it. Wade Barret was once arrested for assaulting a cop when he was in WWE's development facility down in Florida. Now he's a main event heel. Yet, they never made mention of it once on TV. Not to mention that he wasn't even fired for it. They cover up steroid use like a motha fucka so why not that?

If they wanted to make MVP into a serious Heel, all they had to do was have him attack and beat the biggest fan ass kisser of all-time, John Cena. Simple as that.

But as far as the stuff that went with Booker, he had it bad for two reasons. Being an Ex-WCW star and being black. After WWE bought out WCW, the creative team and bookies were probably licking their chops thinking about all the humiliating things they could do a Black WCW champion. Sting even said he made up his mind not to come to WWE after seeing how they made Booker look weak.

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Also, MVP was over, using the pop culture favorite saying "BALLIN'!!!" and mixing it with a fake People's Elbow. Regardless, it was an over taunt and move. But for whatever reason, they didn't push him to the next level to create that over superstar like they did other wrestlers with less style and charisma.

But black wrestlers never get over because the writers are too busy keeping them at a certain level, then using them as enhancement talent to put someone else over. If the writers simply let these guys advance on their athletic ability and overness instead of bloodline and because someone high up likes you because you work out with them, then it'll be an even field. But as long as guys like Michael Hayes (redneck who got into it with Mark Henry after he called MVP, "my nigga") and whomever else who only sees black wrestlers as a stereotype continue to write for these wrestling shows, there won't be much advancement.

 

[Mdizzle9000]

whatever happened to that dude lashley?

 

[sobek]

whatever happened to that dude lashley?

He does MMA now in Strike force

 

[Mally_G]

But the problem is that the writers don't allow the black wrestlers to grow into a character that can be respected other than the shit we've all seen. There won't be a black wrestler that gets Triple H's storylines, or a black wrestler that gets put into a situation where they can talk just enough to get by and then let their skills in the ring do most of talking by whooping their opponents ass. The writers don't have a clue how to use the talents of what they have to write for. Instead they see nigga, and automatically turn him into a pimp, rapper, thug, thief, idiot, strong ape, animal, etc.

 

[TrueGodHS]

But the problem is that the writers don't allow the black wrestlers to grow into a character that can be respected other than the shit we've all seen. There won't be a black wrestler that gets Triple H's storylines, or a black wrestler that gets put into a situation where they can talk just enough to get by and then let their skills in the ring do most of talking by whooping their opponents ass. The writers don't have a clue how to use the talents of what they have to write for. Instead they see nigga, and automatically turn him into a pimp, rapper, thug, thief, idiot, strong ape, animal, etc.

Co-signatura lol... WWE writers really suck ass these days... I dont get that shit

 

[Mally_G]

Yes there will they just need to find one that can hold their own on the mic. Kofi, Truth & MVP all had those chances to blow up & havent or couldnt capitalize off it yet. The writers are gonna do their thing but its not necessarily their job to carry a nigga & spoon feed him. Triple H used to lay on his back & stare up at the nights every night back in the 90s, he wasnt winning NO matches until like the HBK era but u know why he managed to stay around ? cuz he was a terrific heel, & could hold a mic. All he needed was to find a way to get the fans behind him & then no one would stop him.... Enter DX after HBK and the rest is history.

Of course there will be another black wrestler that wins the world title & becomes the face of the co. but for now until niggas get it to their head that the WWE is a business & the game is to fill seats aint nobody gonna make it up there.

I still have faith in Kofi tho....

It ain't like that. Just about everyone outside of HHH, HBK, Jericho, Undertaker, and a couple others control their own destiny, pick and choose who they feud with, an put in a good word for others that sucked their dicks. Everyone else is spoon fed their lines and they aren't to stir off the script or they will get bitched at backstage.

HHH used to look at the lights because of what Hall, Nash, and HBK did when Hall and Nash left the company.
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HHH was punished because he was guilty by association, not because of his gimmick. His Blue Blood gimmick was over as a heel, it was getting stale and he was a midcarder, but he was over for what he did with the character. After the incident, he was depushed and squashed whenever the chance came up. Once WCW started raping WWF in the ratings, did they let him out the doghouse. The nWo was a reason why HHH came to be and the WWF countered the nWo with DX; that was his saving grace.

So if the writers really wanted to put someone over, black, white, yellow, green, whatever, they can. They got HHH over when he was in the shit pit simply by putting him in a situation where he was dominant and in the eye of the fans. He gradually got better on the mic because he was given so much time with it. Remember those days of RAW starting off with DX, HHH/Steph for the first 20-30 minutes? You have to give a person time to practice the craft and not expect them to be naturally born with the gift of gab. I thought that's why they created "ECW" to hone the less talented skills to eventually boost them, but they lost their vision with that project. So the writers basically see nigga and write stereotypical shit for a black wrestler. There's nothing more to it. If they wanted to put a black wrestler over, they will take the time and right situations to do it.

 

[sobek]

I'd agree that R-Truth's mike skills suck. He gives promos like he's reading off of cue cards. But imo, MVP and Booker T were no more worse or better then some of the guys who have been in the main event picture over last decade. Brock Lesnar was a deaf mute for about 3 or 4 moths before he even spoke a word. And when did, he had a goofy ass voice and just sucked on the mike overall. Khali. Another deaf Mute yet, he got a run. Batista , IMO wasn't that great on either. All he did was a lot of yelling. Not to mention he had only had about 5 moves. Jeff Hardy wasn't really that good on the mike when he was in WWE. (although, I actually like him more in TNA right now).

Between MVP and Book, I'd say MVP is weaker. But Booker T without a doubt, imo had enough skills to be a credible face or heel. But he still got shitted on.

 

[Chillin&Postin]

wow

i forgot Khali got a run

that shit is horrible...

can anyone tell me the angle in which he got it and how was he defeated???

cuz for years they never gave Big Show a legit title run because it was said it is too much of a task to write a storyline where someone beats him legit,,,so how in the hell do Khali get a decent run

i can undertand batista,,,he had about 6-10 moves,,,but khali,,dude was worse than john cena's moveset

 

[DrMindbender122]

Y'all hear about MVP getting booked on 12/8/2010? Apparently, he fucked a fan up cuz he was making fun of him.

 

[Triple B's]

Y'all hear about MVP getting booked on 12/8/2010? Apparently, he fucked a fan up cuz he was making fun of him.

Damn thats weak. Probably the worse thing that could happen for dude right now.