Is hov officially the GROAT?

[Soloman_The_Wise]

and the cold part is the nigga aint even done wit his old ass..

nigga took hiphop to the whitehouse..

Barack aint bumpin Nas. hahaha

http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2016/08/jay-z-nas-obama-2016-summer-playlist/

 

[KneeGro_DuperMan]

If you encompass everything on the peripheral, than yes, Jay has no peer.

But just rapping, get in the booth and wild out, he's among the best, he's in the conversation, but he's not definitively the best. And to keep it real, there's no way to define it. It's all subjective...

This thread is about to go x amount of pages of niggas trying to sway the next man opinion, when really, this all depends on your lens, there can never be a consensus.

Aiyo, Jordan is better than Kareem bruh.

what i say nigga!?

same amount of rings..

more MVPs..

more NBA team selections..

more NBA Defensive team selections..

more all star appearances..

more points, blocks, rebounds & pretty much the same in assists..

higher shooting percentage..

and thats jus NBA

Kareem been that nigga since Highschool..

Jordan aint make the team..

i dont think he lost a game in college and all the three yrs he played he won College player of the year..

c'mo bruh..

Jordan did everything Kareem did in a half a decade less. and aye, mike dont need no entry pass.

thats inaccurate cause then he'd have everything Kareem has.. the sheer fact Kareem did it for so long at that level says alot.. Jordan took two breaks..

he couldve done more?? maybe.. but he couldve fell the fuck off as well.. who knows..

Kareem came in a champion.. what his 2nd yr.. and left one.. and won 4 inbetween..

nah bruh..

ill give u Jordan the greatest..

but he aint the best.. im not even givin him second best..

Jordan is the most fundamentally sound player to ever play. And i've watched a lot of hoop in my life. He triggers moves with his feet, and his shoulders, not his athleticism,. Niggas still haven't caught up with that. People put lebron on his level, but he's still trying to run through people. He has more post moves than even tim duncan, the only person with more is probably kevin mchale. Magic carried Kareem to a couple rings. Jordan was never carried.

I know you from out west, and Kareem is probably number 2 or 3, but nobody is above mike. He's done too much, the nigga had 10 straight scoring titles. You know what that means.....

Ya'll know i'm comin, but fuck all ya'll, and i'm gon shoot 50% wit my middle finger up.

Hakeem had a better post package also, but that's where it stops. Dream, Mchale, and Jordan.

nigga all that shit u talkin is subjective..

jus like as much as i hate Kobe's bitch ass i feel he had better footwork than Jordan and was a better shooter..

but what im talkin is numbers..

as Jay would say..

men lie women lie numbers dont..

Kobe had better footwork than jordan my nigga.....We're done talking basketball.

But back to this rap shit. That floyd ali comparison is perfect. You hit the nail on the head. Floyd has accomplished more in his career than ali, he's beat more world champions and made much more money. But he's not greater.

Jay has dropped more successful albums and made more money.....But you still have yet to find me a song where jay performed better than big did on victory, and Jay doesn't have an album better than ready to die. Greater is always in relation to talent. Jay is simply not as talented as big, not as good a story teller, not as good a crossover artist, not as good at putting words together.

Accomplishments over time don't make you greater. Accomplishments mean you did more with your talent, and had more longevity. You gon tell me because floyd did more, that he's better than a Roy Jones? Hell no, if those two fought at a catchweight in their primes that nigga roy would be dancin all around the ring and everybody here knows it.

This thread is about the greatest rapper of all time, the greatest mogul of all time thread is that way.

If you put Big and Jay in a booth right now and say fuck it up, you know big will win that series in 6.

If numbers don't lie, then all the numbers are in Floyd's favor....so he should be saying Floyd's the greatest

 

[Lefty_]

If you encompass everything on the peripheral, than yes, Jay has no peer.

But just rapping, get in the booth and wild out, he's among the best, he's in the conversation, but he's not definitively the best. And to keep it real, there's no way to define it. It's all subjective...

This thread is about to go x amount of pages of niggas trying to sway the next man opinion, when really, this all depends on your lens, there can never be a consensus.

Aiyo, Jordan is better than Kareem bruh.

what i say nigga!?

same amount of rings..

more MVPs..

more NBA team selections..

more NBA Defensive team selections..

more all star appearances..

more points, blocks, rebounds & pretty much the same in assists..

higher shooting percentage..

and thats jus NBA

Kareem been that nigga since Highschool..

Jordan aint make the team..

i dont think he lost a game in college and all the three yrs he played he won College player of the year..

c'mo bruh..

Jordan did everything Kareem did in a half a decade less. and aye, mike dont need no entry pass.

thats inaccurate cause then he'd have everything Kareem has.. the sheer fact Kareem did it for so long at that level says alot.. Jordan took two breaks..

he couldve done more?? maybe.. but he couldve fell the fuck off as well.. who knows..

Kareem came in a champion.. what his 2nd yr.. and left one.. and won 4 inbetween..

nah bruh..

ill give u Jordan the greatest..

but he aint the best.. im not even givin him second best..

Jordan is the most fundamentally sound player to ever play. And i've watched a lot of hoop in my life. He triggers moves with his feet, and his shoulders, not his athleticism,. Niggas still haven't caught up with that. People put lebron on his level, but he's still trying to run through people. He has more post moves than even tim duncan, the only person with more is probably kevin mchale. Magic carried Kareem to a couple rings. Jordan was never carried.

I know you from out west, and Kareem is probably number 2 or 3, but nobody is above mike. He's done too much, the nigga had 10 straight scoring titles. You know what that means.....

Ya'll know i'm comin, but fuck all ya'll, and i'm gon shoot 50% wit my middle finger up.

Hakeem had a better post package also, but that's where it stops. Dream, Mchale, and Jordan.

nigga all that shit u talkin is subjective..

jus like as much as i hate Kobe's bitch ass i feel he had better footwork than Jordan and was a better shooter..

but what im talkin is numbers..

as Jay would say..

men lie women lie numbers dont..

Kobe had better footwork than jordan my nigga.....We're done talking basketball.

But back to this rap shit. That floyd ali comparison is perfect. You hit the nail on the head. Floyd has accomplished more in his career than ali, he's beat more world champions and made much more money. But he's not greater.

Jay has dropped more successful albums and made more money.....But you still have yet to find me a song where jay performed better than big did on victory, and Jay doesn't have an album better than ready to die. Greater is always in relation to talent. Jay is simply not as talented as big, not as good a story teller, not as good a crossover artist, not as good at putting words together.

Accomplishments over time don't make you greater. Accomplishments mean you did more with your talent, and had more longevity. You gon tell me because floyd did more, that he's better than a Roy Jones? Hell no, if those two fought at a catchweight in their primes that nigga roy would be dancin all around the ring and everybody here knows it.

This thread is about the greatest rapper of all time, the greatest mogul of all time thread is that way.

If you put Big and Jay in a booth right now and say fuck it up, you know big will win that series in 6.

Nigga you acting like we don't have proof of Big and Jay on a song Jay has always held his own and in sum cases outshined Big so to say put em both in a booth we've already done that

For the umpteenth time..... Go find me a song, any song where Jay puts on a better performance than Big on victory. I don't care if they're together on the song or not. Go find me a song where Jay tells a better story than Big on, shit, pick a song, for all intents and purposes since niggas need direction, we'll say niggas bleed. Go find a song where Jay flowed better than big on long kiss goodnight, go find a better crossover hit than one more chance....

You seein the pattern here?

Where are these in Jay's rap sheet?

 

[GetoBoy]

If you encompass everything on the peripheral, than yes, Jay has no peer.

But just rapping, get in the booth and wild out, he's among the best, he's in the conversation, but he's not definitively the best. And to keep it real, there's no way to define it. It's all subjective...

This thread is about to go x amount of pages of niggas trying to sway the next man opinion, when really, this all depends on your lens, there can never be a consensus.

Aiyo, Jordan is better than Kareem bruh.

what i say nigga!?

same amount of rings..

more MVPs..

more NBA team selections..

more NBA Defensive team selections..

more all star appearances..

more points, blocks, rebounds & pretty much the same in assists..

higher shooting percentage..

and thats jus NBA

Kareem been that nigga since Highschool..

Jordan aint make the team..

i dont think he lost a game in college and all the three yrs he played he won College player of the year..

c'mo bruh..

Jordan did everything Kareem did in a half a decade less. and aye, mike dont need no entry pass.

thats inaccurate cause then he'd have everything Kareem has.. the sheer fact Kareem did it for so long at that level says alot.. Jordan took two breaks..

he couldve done more?? maybe.. but he couldve fell the fuck off as well.. who knows..

Kareem came in a champion.. what his 2nd yr.. and left one.. and won 4 inbetween..

nah bruh..

ill give u Jordan the greatest..

but he aint the best.. im not even givin him second best..

Jordan is the most fundamentally sound player to ever play. And i've watched a lot of hoop in my life. He triggers moves with his feet, and his shoulders, not his athleticism,. Niggas still haven't caught up with that. People put lebron on his level, but he's still trying to run through people. He has more post moves than even tim duncan, the only person with more is probably kevin mchale. Magic carried Kareem to a couple rings. Jordan was never carried.

I know you from out west, and Kareem is probably number 2 or 3, but nobody is above mike. He's done too much, the nigga had 10 straight scoring titles. You know what that means.....

Ya'll know i'm comin, but fuck all ya'll, and i'm gon shoot 50% wit my middle finger up.

Hakeem had a better post package also, but that's where it stops. Dream, Mchale, and Jordan.

nigga all that shit u talkin is subjective..

jus like as much as i hate Kobe's bitch ass i feel he had better footwork than Jordan and was a better shooter..

but what im talkin is numbers..

as Jay would say..

men lie women lie numbers dont..

Kobe had better footwork than jordan my nigga.....We're done talking basketball.

But back to this rap shit. That floyd ali comparison is perfect. You hit the nail on the head. Floyd has accomplished more in his career than ali, he's beat more world champions and made much more money. But he's not greater.

Jay has dropped more successful albums and made more money.....But you still have yet to find me a song where jay performed better than big did on victory, and Jay doesn't have an album better than ready to die. Greater is always in relation to talent. Jay is simply not as talented as big, not as good a story teller, not as good a crossover artist, not as good at putting words together.

Accomplishments over time don't make you greater. Accomplishments mean you did more with your talent, and had more longevity. You gon tell me because floyd did more, that he's better than a Roy Jones? Hell no, if those two fought at a catchweight in their primes that nigga roy would be dancin all around the ring and everybody here knows it.

This thread is about the greatest rapper of all time, the greatest mogul of all time thread is that way.

If you put Big and Jay in a booth right now and say fuck it up, you know big will win that series in 6.

Nigga you acting like we don't have proof of Big and Jay on a song Jay has always held his own and in sum cases outshined Big so to say put em both in a booth we've already done that

For the umpteenth time..... Go find me a song, any song where Jay puts on a better performance than Big on victory. I don't care if they're together on the song or not. Go find me a song where Jay tells a better story than Big on, shit, pick a song, for all intents and purposes since niggas need direction, we'll say niggas bleed. Go find a song where Jay flowed better than big on long kiss goodnight, go find a better crossover hit than one more chance....

You seein the pattern here?

Where are these in Jay's rap sheet?

Wait one song proves who's the best??? That's the most horrible logic I've heard smh..... And those are all subjective becuz I can give you examples but if YOU don't agree does that make it not true??? If I tell you Jay story telling on meet the parents would they be wrong becuz you don't agree??? If I said I feel his flow on dead president was as good as Big flow on long kiss goodnight since you don't agree what does that mean??? It's all subjective

 

[Lefty_]

If you encompass everything on the peripheral, than yes, Jay has no peer.

But just rapping, get in the booth and wild out, he's among the best, he's in the conversation, but he's not definitively the best. And to keep it real, there's no way to define it. It's all subjective...

This thread is about to go x amount of pages of niggas trying to sway the next man opinion, when really, this all depends on your lens, there can never be a consensus.

Aiyo, Jordan is better than Kareem bruh.

what i say nigga!?

same amount of rings..

more MVPs..

more NBA team selections..

more NBA Defensive team selections..

more all star appearances..

more points, blocks, rebounds & pretty much the same in assists..

higher shooting percentage..

and thats jus NBA

Kareem been that nigga since Highschool..

Jordan aint make the team..

i dont think he lost a game in college and all the three yrs he played he won College player of the year..

c'mo bruh..

Jordan did everything Kareem did in a half a decade less. and aye, mike dont need no entry pass.

thats inaccurate cause then he'd have everything Kareem has.. the sheer fact Kareem did it for so long at that level says alot.. Jordan took two breaks..

he couldve done more?? maybe.. but he couldve fell the fuck off as well.. who knows..

Kareem came in a champion.. what his 2nd yr.. and left one.. and won 4 inbetween..

nah bruh..

ill give u Jordan the greatest..

but he aint the best.. im not even givin him second best..

Jordan is the most fundamentally sound player to ever play. And i've watched a lot of hoop in my life. He triggers moves with his feet, and his shoulders, not his athleticism,. Niggas still haven't caught up with that. People put lebron on his level, but he's still trying to run through people. He has more post moves than even tim duncan, the only person with more is probably kevin mchale. Magic carried Kareem to a couple rings. Jordan was never carried.

I know you from out west, and Kareem is probably number 2 or 3, but nobody is above mike. He's done too much, the nigga had 10 straight scoring titles. You know what that means.....

Ya'll know i'm comin, but fuck all ya'll, and i'm gon shoot 50% wit my middle finger up.

Hakeem had a better post package also, but that's where it stops. Dream, Mchale, and Jordan.

nigga all that shit u talkin is subjective..

jus like as much as i hate Kobe's bitch ass i feel he had better footwork than Jordan and was a better shooter..

but what im talkin is numbers..

as Jay would say..

men lie women lie numbers dont..

Kobe had better footwork than jordan my nigga.....We're done talking basketball.

But back to this rap shit. That floyd ali comparison is perfect. You hit the nail on the head. Floyd has accomplished more in his career than ali, he's beat more world champions and made much more money. But he's not greater.

Jay has dropped more successful albums and made more money.....But you still have yet to find me a song where jay performed better than big did on victory, and Jay doesn't have an album better than ready to die. Greater is always in relation to talent. Jay is simply not as talented as big, not as good a story teller, not as good a crossover artist, not as good at putting words together.

Accomplishments over time don't make you greater. Accomplishments mean you did more with your talent, and had more longevity. You gon tell me because floyd did more, that he's better than a Roy Jones? Hell no, if those two fought at a catchweight in their primes that nigga roy would be dancin all around the ring and everybody here knows it.

This thread is about the greatest rapper of all time, the greatest mogul of all time thread is that way.

If you put Big and Jay in a booth right now and say fuck it up, you know big will win that series in 6.

Nigga you acting like we don't have proof of Big and Jay on a song Jay has always held his own and in sum cases outshined Big so to say put em both in a booth we've already done that

For the umpteenth time..... Go find me a song, any song where Jay puts on a better performance than Big on victory. I don't care if they're together on the song or not. Go find me a song where Jay tells a better story than Big on, shit, pick a song, for all intents and purposes since niggas need direction, we'll say niggas bleed. Go find a song where Jay flowed better than big on long kiss goodnight, go find a better crossover hit than one more chance....

You seein the pattern here?

Where are these in Jay's rap sheet?

Wait one song proves who's the best??? That's the most horrible logic I've heard smh

For the love of everything holy my g. Jay has had 14 albums and 21 years to eclipse big's best performances over 3 years, and musically, it's hard to say he has, that's what i'm saying. The reason I'm saying that is because I was illustrating that talent is defines greatness, not longevity. I was also trying to distill the GREATEST RAPPER OF ALL TIME to a rapper, not a business man, not a mogul, not a boss. It's like saying Jordan is the greatest because he sells the most shoes.

Big did things on the mic that Jay cannot do. Jay has had 21 years to do them, or do them better and he hasn't.

Advantage Biggie.

Again....Counter this with a better Jay Verse... I have 3 years, you have 21. This should be easy.

 

[GetoBoy]

If you encompass everything on the peripheral, than yes, Jay has no peer.

But just rapping, get in the booth and wild out, he's among the best, he's in the conversation, but he's not definitively the best. And to keep it real, there's no way to define it. It's all subjective...

This thread is about to go x amount of pages of niggas trying to sway the next man opinion, when really, this all depends on your lens, there can never be a consensus.

Aiyo, Jordan is better than Kareem bruh.

what i say nigga!?

same amount of rings..

more MVPs..

more NBA team selections..

more NBA Defensive team selections..

more all star appearances..

more points, blocks, rebounds & pretty much the same in assists..

higher shooting percentage..

and thats jus NBA

Kareem been that nigga since Highschool..

Jordan aint make the team..

i dont think he lost a game in college and all the three yrs he played he won College player of the year..

c'mo bruh..

Jordan did everything Kareem did in a half a decade less. and aye, mike dont need no entry pass.

thats inaccurate cause then he'd have everything Kareem has.. the sheer fact Kareem did it for so long at that level says alot.. Jordan took two breaks..

he couldve done more?? maybe.. but he couldve fell the fuck off as well.. who knows..

Kareem came in a champion.. what his 2nd yr.. and left one.. and won 4 inbetween..

nah bruh..

ill give u Jordan the greatest..

but he aint the best.. im not even givin him second best..

Jordan is the most fundamentally sound player to ever play. And i've watched a lot of hoop in my life. He triggers moves with his feet, and his shoulders, not his athleticism,. Niggas still haven't caught up with that. People put lebron on his level, but he's still trying to run through people. He has more post moves than even tim duncan, the only person with more is probably kevin mchale. Magic carried Kareem to a couple rings. Jordan was never carried.

I know you from out west, and Kareem is probably number 2 or 3, but nobody is above mike. He's done too much, the nigga had 10 straight scoring titles. You know what that means.....

Ya'll know i'm comin, but fuck all ya'll, and i'm gon shoot 50% wit my middle finger up.

Hakeem had a better post package also, but that's where it stops. Dream, Mchale, and Jordan.

nigga all that shit u talkin is subjective..

jus like as much as i hate Kobe's bitch ass i feel he had better footwork than Jordan and was a better shooter..

but what im talkin is numbers..

as Jay would say..

men lie women lie numbers dont..

Kobe had better footwork than jordan my nigga.....We're done talking basketball.

But back to this rap shit. That floyd ali comparison is perfect. You hit the nail on the head. Floyd has accomplished more in his career than ali, he's beat more world champions and made much more money. But he's not greater.

Jay has dropped more successful albums and made more money.....But you still have yet to find me a song where jay performed better than big did on victory, and Jay doesn't have an album better than ready to die. Greater is always in relation to talent. Jay is simply not as talented as big, not as good a story teller, not as good a crossover artist, not as good at putting words together.

Accomplishments over time don't make you greater. Accomplishments mean you did more with your talent, and had more longevity. You gon tell me because floyd did more, that he's better than a Roy Jones? Hell no, if those two fought at a catchweight in their primes that nigga roy would be dancin all around the ring and everybody here knows it.

This thread is about the greatest rapper of all time, the greatest mogul of all time thread is that way.

If you put Big and Jay in a booth right now and say fuck it up, you know big will win that series in 6.

Nigga you acting like we don't have proof of Big and Jay on a song Jay has always held his own and in sum cases outshined Big so to say put em both in a booth we've already done that

For the umpteenth time..... Go find me a song, any song where Jay puts on a better performance than Big on victory. I don't care if they're together on the song or not. Go find me a song where Jay tells a better story than Big on, shit, pick a song, for all intents and purposes since niggas need direction, we'll say niggas bleed. Go find a song where Jay flowed better than big on long kiss goodnight, go find a better crossover hit than one more chance....

You seein the pattern here?

Where are these in Jay's rap sheet?

Wait one song proves who's the best??? That's the most horrible logic I've heard smh

For the love of everything holy my g. Jay has had 14 albums and 21 years to eclipse big's best performances over 3 years, and musically, it's hard to say he has, that's what i'm saying. The reason I'm saying that is because I was illustrating that talent is defines greatness, not longevity. I was also trying to distill the GREATEST RAPPER OF ALL TIME to a rapper, not a business man, not a mogul, not a boss. It's like saying Jordan is the greatest because he sells the most shoes.

Big did things on the mic that Jay cannot do. Jay has had 21 years to do them, or do them better and he hasn't.

Advantage Biggie.

Again....Counter this with a better Jay Verse... I have 3 years, you have 21. This should be easy.

Jay first verse>>>>>

 

[CeLLaR-DooR]

Niggas would call their favourite rapper GOAT if they had Jig's career. Seems quite clear imo.

Wanna talk best rapper, Jig still one of the first names outta the hat.

Numbers, he's in his own league.

Influence, look at what Story of OJ is doin'.

 

[GetoBoy]

What you keep failing to realize is this ain't sum make believe situation where we don't know who is on who's level we've SEEN Big and Jay perform together and have seen they are equals at worse so to sit here and try and compare songs we can do that all day but bottom line is they've rapped together so to ignore them rapping together and try and go verse for verse song for song or album for album is dumb..... They've been in the booth together multiple times and came out fairly even add that to the fact that Jay has matched him in any aspect of rapping you wanna bring up and he has every right to the claim of GROAT as Big if not more of a claim becuz he's done it at a high level longer

 

[power_wisdom]

What you keep failing to realize is this ain't sum make believe situation where we don't know who is on who's level we've SEEN Big and Jay perform together and have seen they are equals at worse so to sit here and try and compare songs we can do that all day but bottom line is they've rapped together so to ignore them rapping together and try and go verse for verse song for song or album for album is dumb..... They've been in the booth together multiple times and came out fairly even add that to the fact that Jay has matched him in any aspect of rapping you wanna bring up and he has every right to the claim of GROAT as Big if not more of a claim becuz he's done it at a high level longer

Jay not as good of a storyteller as Big. He is not as creative as Big. His best album wasn't better than Big best album. And most importantly no one ever said he was better than Big when he was alive. Nobody but his circle of friends. Jay is like the under achiever that rarely put in the work. He started out good but then started bullshiting. So when he does do well, people act like it's the best thing ever. Meanwhile you got others who been perform at a super high level all the long. But getting no props, because that's is expected of them. How can you be the best rapper when another rapper ethered you? Talk about impact. Nas made ether a house hold term. How can he be the best when you have a whole list of mcs with better albums? It's about rapping and music. Fuck that other shit.

 

[blue_london]

This thread is so subjective

 

[GetoBoy]

What you keep failing to realize is this ain't sum make believe situation where we don't know who is on who's level we've SEEN Big and Jay perform together and have seen they are equals at worse so to sit here and try and compare songs we can do that all day but bottom line is they've rapped together so to ignore them rapping together and try and go verse for verse song for song or album for album is dumb..... They've been in the booth together multiple times and came out fairly even add that to the fact that Jay has matched him in any aspect of rapping you wanna bring up and he has every right to the claim of GROAT as Big if not more of a claim becuz he's done it at a high level longer

Jay not as good of a storyteller as Big. He is not as creative as Big. His best album wasn't better than Big best album. And most importantly no one ever said he was better than Big when he was alive. Nobody but his circle of friends. Jay is like the under achiever that rarely put in the work. He started out good but then started bullshiting. So when he does do well, people act like it's the best thing ever. Meanwhile you got others who been perform at a super high level all the long. But getting no props, because that's is expected of them. How can you be the best rapper when another rapper ethered you? Talk about impact. Nas made ether a house hold term. How can he be the best when you have a whole list of mcs with better albums? It's about rapping and music. Fuck that other shit.

Literally everything you said is your opinion and none of it is facts.... I think Jay is just as creative I'll take Jay best album which imo blueprint over Big best album for every person you hear say Jay got ethered you could find someone say takeover was better and wtf do being the best when you come out gotta do with being the best overall??? That makes no sense the nigga had only one album at the time and the shit would go down as a classic so what are you talking about.... And to be the best you have to have so kinda of longevity of doing something that's what separates you I mean imagine if every rapper stopped at they second album we'd look at hip hop a whole lot different

Jay checks every box to be the GROAT that don't mean he's #1 in every box no rapper is or else we wouldn't be having this decision but no rapper ever checks more boxes than Jay whether you wanna admit that or not making him the GROAT

 

[blue_london]

It's between jay and nas for me it can change depending on what day it is.

 

[CeLLaR-DooR]

What you keep failing to realize is this ain't sum make believe situation where we don't know who is on who's level we've SEEN Big and Jay perform together and have seen they are equals at worse so to sit here and try and compare songs we can do that all day but bottom line is they've rapped together so to ignore them rapping together and try and go verse for verse song for song or album for album is dumb..... They've been in the booth together multiple times and came out fairly even add that to the fact that Jay has matched him in any aspect of rapping you wanna bring up and he has every right to the claim of GROAT as Big if not more of a claim becuz he's done it at a high level longer

Jay not as good of a storyteller as Big. He is not as creative as Big. His best album wasn't better than Big best album. And most importantly no one ever said he was better than Big when he was alive. Nobody but his circle of friends. Jay is like the under achiever that rarely put in the work. He started out good but then started bullshiting. So when he does do well, people act like it's the best thing ever. Meanwhile you got others who been perform at a super high level all the long. But getting no props, because that's is expected of them. How can you be the best rapper when another rapper ethered you? Talk about impact. Nas made ether a house hold term. How can he be the best when you have a whole list of mcs with better albums? It's about rapping and music. Fuck that other shit.

Like who? Who been doin' it high and not gettin' props? Debates involvin' Jig always turn into this. Niggas talk like we only rate Jay cah he's popular and don't rate anyone else.

Name them niggas who don't get props.

This another thing, no one is sayin' no one else hasnt done shit. The reason we have this discussion is coz there are a number of rappers who could be considered GOAT.

Ether is not a household term.

Jigga is still in the convo if we're just talkin' rappin' and music please let's not allow his other successes to blind us to this commonly held belief.

 

[Mr 202]

He's checked off every box as an artist that you can, and he's done much of it better than anyone else.

It's hard to call him the greatest when he doesn't have a better album than so many other greats. But that's subjective.

Objectively, He stands alone. And all of the attributes that niggas is about to come in here and say he don't have.... This may be true, he may lack a certain something that an individual possesses, like Nas' story telling, pacs passion, and B.I.G.'s wittiness, but he'll have them beat in every other category.

I understand but it's not possible for one person to top every category.Remember you competing with other greats that bring a lot to the table

Example,MJ wasn't the best 3 point shooter or best defender but the total package he brings make you call him Goat

With respect to Nas and the rest I think Jay is Goat.

What I irespect mostly about him is his ability to keep the mainstream(pop world)and the streets listening for almost 20 years

No rapper alive has done that

 

[BedStuy]

I have ghostface, nas, sean price, and killah priest ahead of him but overall jigga is the best.

95% of Jay Z fans are cocksuckers anyway. Respect to the objective 5%

 

[dalyricalbandit]

Imo yes.

If u look at Hov he's perhaps the most well rounded Mc in the history of hip hop.

Flow, lyrically, storytelling etc.

Lyrically sure some rappers might rate higher (Nas, Gza, etc) but Jay has them on Flow etc this goes for different categories .

21 years since his debut album and about 19yrs at the top without lookin back ain't a Easy feat.

 

[Cutler 26 INT's LOL!]

Nah Pac the greatest.

 

[270crownst]

If jay is the most well rounded mc..then what about BIG?..BIG is good at everything! Storytelling,best flow,lyrics,classic albums,radio hits,kills features,selling mad units!..one of the most quoted mcs too...94 to 97...cmon now..3 years only! Jigga is after the king of NY

 

[KamPushMe]

I have ghostface, nas, sean price, and killah priest ahead of him but overall jigga is the best.

95% of Jay Z fans are cocksuckers anyway. Respect to the objective 5%

Jigga warriors>>>>> nastralites

 

[trendsetta1030]

i think niggas need to know that there is a difference between great and best..

shit dont aways run concurrent..

Mayweather is technically a better boxer than Ali..

but he aint greater than..

jus sayin..

Jay is technically a better rapper than big. But he ain't greater than.

20+ yrs >> 3yrs

Biggie the BoJack of hiphop..

All of that and he doesn't have a better performance than victory, and he doesn't have a better album than ready to die........

When you distill it all the way down to just gettin in the both and rapping.....

Big > Jay

my nigga i like Big over Jay..

im not the biggest Jay fan at all..

but c'mo!!? Big aint take hiphop to this level.. Jay did..

this is why Jordan is greater than Kareem but ill slap fire to a nigga sayin he better..

Jordan took the NBA to the next level..

Biggie was a fuckin artist..

as dope as he was he was jus that..

street level shit..

we talkin about compare that to a fuckin music mogul who went and owned his own company and was president of the company that owned his conpany..

gettin his masters ownin stakes in a sports team.. big kickin it wit Buffet..

when Hilliary bitch ass needed votes they aint call Common..

Jays that nigga man..

it aint even nothin to argue..

Jay don't own his masters you tweakin bra… an how he's over accomplished when tha nigga never outsold ja rule or dmx facts…