Is hov officially the GROAT?

[GetoBoy]

Jay is literally the Mike Jordan of rap

 

[texas409]

The folks who voted no are swaggerless munkeys

 

[CashmoneyDux]

Pac then Jay

 

[CapitalB]

If you encompass everything on the peripheral, than yes, Jay has no peer.

But just rapping, get in the booth and wild out, he's among the best, he's in the conversation, but he's not definitively the best. And to keep it real, there's no way to define it. It's all subjective...

This thread is about to go x amount of pages of niggas trying to sway the next man opinion, when really, this all depends on your lens, there can never be a consensus.

Aiyo, Jordan is better than Kareem bruh.

what i say nigga!?

same amount of rings..

more MVPs..

more NBA team selections..

more NBA Defensive team selections..

more all star appearances..

more points, blocks, rebounds & pretty much the same in assists..

higher shooting percentage..

and thats jus NBA

Kareem been that nigga since Highschool..

Jordan aint make the team..

i dont think he lost a game in college and all the three yrs he played he won College player of the year..

c'mo bruh..

Jordan did everything Kareem did in a half a decade less. and aye, mike dont need no entry pass.

thats inaccurate cause then he'd have everything Kareem has.. the sheer fact Kareem did it for so long at that level says alot.. Jordan took two breaks..

he couldve done more?? maybe.. but he couldve fell the fuck off as well.. who knows..

Kareem came in a champion.. what his 2nd yr.. and left one.. and won 4 inbetween..

nah bruh..

ill give u Jordan the greatest..

but he aint the best.. im not even givin him second best..

 

[Lefty_]

If you encompass everything on the peripheral, than yes, Jay has no peer.

But just rapping, get in the booth and wild out, he's among the best, he's in the conversation, but he's not definitively the best. And to keep it real, there's no way to define it. It's all subjective...

This thread is about to go x amount of pages of niggas trying to sway the next man opinion, when really, this all depends on your lens, there can never be a consensus.

Aiyo, Jordan is better than Kareem bruh.

what i say nigga!?

same amount of rings..

more MVPs..

more NBA team selections..

more NBA Defensive team selections..

more all star appearances..

more points, blocks, rebounds & pretty much the same in assists..

higher shooting percentage..

and thats jus NBA

Kareem been that nigga since Highschool..

Jordan aint make the team..

i dont think he lost a game in college and all the three yrs he played he won College player of the year..

c'mo bruh..

Jordan did everything Kareem did in a half a decade less. and aye, mike dont need no entry pass.

thats inaccurate cause then he'd have everything Kareem has.. the sheer fact Kareem did it for so long at that level says alot.. Jordan took two breaks..

he couldve done more?? maybe.. but he couldve fell the fuck off as well.. who knows..

Kareem came in a champion.. what his 2nd yr.. and left one.. and won 4 inbetween..

nah bruh..

ill give u Jordan the greatest..

but he aint the best.. im not even givin him second best..

Jordan is the most fundamentally sound player to ever play. And i've watched a lot of hoop in my life. He triggers moves with his feet, and his shoulders, not his athleticism,. Niggas still haven't caught up with that. People put lebron on his level, but he's still trying to run through people. He has more post moves than even tim duncan, the only person with more is probably kevin mchale. Magic carried Kareem to a couple rings. Jordan was never carried.

I know you from out west, and Kareem is probably number 2 or 3, but nobody is above mike. He's done too much, the nigga had 10 straight scoring titles. You know what that means.....

Ya'll know i'm comin, but fuck all ya'll, and i'm gon shoot 50% wit my middle finger up.

 

[Lefty_]

Hakeem had a better post package also, but that's where it stops. Dream, Mchale, and Jordan.

 

[CapitalB]

If you encompass everything on the peripheral, than yes, Jay has no peer.

But just rapping, get in the booth and wild out, he's among the best, he's in the conversation, but he's not definitively the best. And to keep it real, there's no way to define it. It's all subjective...

This thread is about to go x amount of pages of niggas trying to sway the next man opinion, when really, this all depends on your lens, there can never be a consensus.

Aiyo, Jordan is better than Kareem bruh.

what i say nigga!?

same amount of rings..

more MVPs..

more NBA team selections..

more NBA Defensive team selections..

more all star appearances..

more points, blocks, rebounds & pretty much the same in assists..

higher shooting percentage..

and thats jus NBA

Kareem been that nigga since Highschool..

Jordan aint make the team..

i dont think he lost a game in college and all the three yrs he played he won College player of the year..

c'mo bruh..

Jordan did everything Kareem did in a half a decade less. and aye, mike dont need no entry pass.

thats inaccurate cause then he'd have everything Kareem has.. the sheer fact Kareem did it for so long at that level says alot.. Jordan took two breaks..

he couldve done more?? maybe.. but he couldve fell the fuck off as well.. who knows..

Kareem came in a champion.. what his 2nd yr.. and left one.. and won 4 inbetween..

nah bruh..

ill give u Jordan the greatest..

but he aint the best.. im not even givin him second best..

Jordan is the most fundamentally sound player to ever play. And i've watched a lot of hoop in my life. He triggers moves with his feet, and his shoulders, not his athleticism,. Niggas still haven't caught up with that. People put lebron on his level, but he's still trying to run through people. He has more post moves than even tim duncan, the only person with more is probably kevin mchale. Magic carried Kareem to a couple rings. Jordan was never carried.

I know you from out west, and Kareem is probably number 2 or 3, but nobody is above mike. He's done too much, the nigga had 10 straight scoring titles. You know what that means.....

Ya'll know i'm comin, but fuck all ya'll, and i'm gon shoot 50% wit my middle finger up.

Hakeem had a better post package also, but that's where it stops. Dream, Mchale, and Jordan.

nigga all that shit u talkin is subjective..

jus like as much as i hate Kobe's bitch ass i feel he had better footwork than Jordan and was a better shooter..

but what im talkin is numbers..

as Jay would say..

men lie women lie numbers dont..

 

[power_wisdom]

Bottom line Jay not the Groat because he is not the best rapper. He has 13 solo albums and 5 are classic or real close. 3 are very good or good. And 5 are trash or aren't that good. This isn't who is the most popular, or who ran the most companies or who got more money. It's who is the Groat. Greatest rapper of all time. Jay put money over his music most of his career. And it started to show. As a rapper Nas does everything better than Jay at a consistent basis. I love 4:44, but Nas been made that album. And he made an album about the state of Hip-Hop. And an album about how blacks are mistreated in this country. And he made that damn near 10 years ago. Niggas got 11 ,12,and 13 albums with one trash album in the mix. Jay got 5 trash albums . Do the math. Numbers don't lie.

 

[CapitalB]

i jus wanna know what rapper has done more in and for hiphop than JayZ..

since we talkin about GREAT..

and im not askin who's better.. cause Jay aint even my favorite rapper..

 

[power_wisdom]

i jus wanna know what rapper has done more in and for hiphop than JayZ..

since we talkin about GREAT..

and im not askin who's better.. cause Jay aint even my favorite rapper..

Hip-Hop did more for Jay, then he did for it. Dame Dash did alot for Hip-Hop. He's not the Groat. Russell Simmons did more for Hip-Hop. He's not the Groat. Dr Dre did about the same or more then Jay. Is he the Groat?

 

[CapitalB]

i jus wanna know what rapper has done more in and for hiphop than JayZ..

since we talkin about GREAT..

and im not askin who's better.. cause Jay aint even my favorite rapper..

Hip-Hop did more for Jay, then he did for it. Dame Dash did alot for Hip-Hop. He's not the Groat. Russell Simmons did more for Hip-Hop. He's not the Groat. Dr Dre did about the same or more then Jay. Is he the Groat?

greatestRAPPERofalltime..

 

[GetoBoy]

i jus wanna know what rapper has done more in and for hiphop than JayZ..

since we talkin about GREAT..

and im not askin who's better.. cause Jay aint even my favorite rapper..

Hip-Hop did more for Jay, then he did for it. Dame Dash did alot for Hip-Hop. He's not the Groat. Russell Simmons did more for Hip-Hop. He's not the Groat. Dr Dre did about the same or more then Jay. Is he the Groat?

greatestRAPPERofalltime..

Lol at naming none rappers..... ain't no way you can have as many great and classic albums including his last one but ppl say you aren't the greatest rapper..... I believe there are others that you can put on par with him but I don't believe there's one greater

 

[CapitalB]

i jus wanna know what rapper has done more in and for hiphop than JayZ..

since we talkin about GREAT..

and im not askin who's better.. cause Jay aint even my favorite rapper..

Hip-Hop did more for Jay, then he did for it. Dame Dash did alot for Hip-Hop. He's not the Groat. Russell Simmons did more for Hip-Hop. He's not the Groat. Dr Dre did about the same or more then Jay. Is he the Groat?

greatestRAPPERofalltime..

Lol at naming none rappers

he's not that bright..

mentally limited. hahaha

 

[KneeGro_DuperMan]

i jus wanna know what rapper has done more in and for hiphop than JayZ..

since we talkin about GREAT..

and im not askin who's better.. cause Jay aint even my favorite rapper..

Hip-Hop did more for Jay, then he did for it. Dame Dash did alot for Hip-Hop. He's not the Groat. Russell Simmons did more for Hip-Hop. He's not the Groat. Dr Dre did about the same or more then Jay. Is he the Groat?

greatestRAPPERofalltime..

So where's 50 Cent on this greatest rapper list?

 

[MECCA1000]

i jus wanna know what rapper has done more in and for hiphop than JayZ..

since we talkin about GREAT..

and im not askin who's better.. cause Jay aint even my favorite rapper..

Hip-Hop did more for Jay, then he did for it. Dame Dash did alot for Hip-Hop. He's not the Groat. Russell Simmons did more for Hip-Hop. He's not the Groat. Dr Dre did about the same or more then Jay. Is he the Groat?

greatestRAPPERofalltime..

So where's 50 Cent on this greatest rapper list?

Don't do that to fiddy breh lol

 

[power_wisdom]

i jus wanna know what rapper has done more in and for hiphop than JayZ..

since we talkin about GREAT..

and im not askin who's better.. cause Jay aint even my favorite rapper..

Hip-Hop did more for Jay, then he did for it. Dame Dash did alot for Hip-Hop. He's not the Groat. Russell Simmons did more for Hip-Hop. He's not the Groat. Dr Dre did about the same or more then Jay. Is he the Groat?

greatestRAPPERofalltime..

Lol at naming none rappers

he's not that bright..

mentally limited. hahaha

Hey jackass you started naming shit like talking to Obama and Oprah and owning companies, which has nothing to do with the actual art of rapping. All that other shit has nothing to do with being a rapper. That's why I name thoses other people who done great things in hip-hop. Because rapping and making great albums seem not to matter much to you. I see alot of shit goes over your head. You probably like that Jay dumbed it down. And Dr Dre is a rapper stupid. As much of a rapper as Kanye or Jim Jones and who else doesn't write they own shit.

 

[CapitalB]

i jus wanna know what rapper has done more in and for hiphop than JayZ..

since we talkin about GREAT..

and im not askin who's better.. cause Jay aint even my favorite rapper..

Hip-Hop did more for Jay, then he did for it. Dame Dash did alot for Hip-Hop. He's not the Groat. Russell Simmons did more for Hip-Hop. He's not the Groat. Dr Dre did about the same or more then Jay. Is he the Groat?

greatestRAPPERofalltime..

So where's 50 Cent on this greatest rapper list?

he's my favorite rapper and he's nowhere in the conversation..

 

[Lefty_]

If you encompass everything on the peripheral, than yes, Jay has no peer.

But just rapping, get in the booth and wild out, he's among the best, he's in the conversation, but he's not definitively the best. And to keep it real, there's no way to define it. It's all subjective...

This thread is about to go x amount of pages of niggas trying to sway the next man opinion, when really, this all depends on your lens, there can never be a consensus.

Aiyo, Jordan is better than Kareem bruh.

what i say nigga!?

same amount of rings..

more MVPs..

more NBA team selections..

more NBA Defensive team selections..

more all star appearances..

more points, blocks, rebounds & pretty much the same in assists..

higher shooting percentage..

and thats jus NBA

Kareem been that nigga since Highschool..

Jordan aint make the team..

i dont think he lost a game in college and all the three yrs he played he won College player of the year..

c'mo bruh..

Jordan did everything Kareem did in a half a decade less. and aye, mike dont need no entry pass.

thats inaccurate cause then he'd have everything Kareem has.. the sheer fact Kareem did it for so long at that level says alot.. Jordan took two breaks..

he couldve done more?? maybe.. but he couldve fell the fuck off as well.. who knows..

Kareem came in a champion.. what his 2nd yr.. and left one.. and won 4 inbetween..

nah bruh..

ill give u Jordan the greatest..

but he aint the best.. im not even givin him second best..

Jordan is the most fundamentally sound player to ever play. And i've watched a lot of hoop in my life. He triggers moves with his feet, and his shoulders, not his athleticism,. Niggas still haven't caught up with that. People put lebron on his level, but he's still trying to run through people. He has more post moves than even tim duncan, the only person with more is probably kevin mchale. Magic carried Kareem to a couple rings. Jordan was never carried.

I know you from out west, and Kareem is probably number 2 or 3, but nobody is above mike. He's done too much, the nigga had 10 straight scoring titles. You know what that means.....

Ya'll know i'm comin, but fuck all ya'll, and i'm gon shoot 50% wit my middle finger up.

Hakeem had a better post package also, but that's where it stops. Dream, Mchale, and Jordan.

nigga all that shit u talkin is subjective..

jus like as much as i hate Kobe's bitch ass i feel he had better footwork than Jordan and was a better shooter..

but what im talkin is numbers..

as Jay would say..

men lie women lie numbers dont..

Kobe had better footwork than jordan my nigga.....We're done talking basketball.

But back to this rap shit. That floyd ali comparison is perfect. You hit the nail on the head. Floyd has accomplished more in his career than ali, he's beat more world champions and made much more money. But he's not greater.

Jay has dropped more successful albums and made more money.....But you still have yet to find me a song where jay performed better than big did on victory, and Jay doesn't have an album better than ready to die. Greater is always in relation to talent. Jay is simply not as talented as big, not as good a story teller, not as good a crossover artist, not as good at putting words together.

Accomplishments over time don't make you greater. Accomplishments mean you did more with your talent, and had more longevity. You gon tell me because floyd did more, that he's better than a Roy Jones? Hell no, if those two fought at a catchweight in their primes that nigga roy would be dancin all around the ring and everybody here knows it.

This thread is about the greatest rapper of all time, the greatest mogul of all time thread is that way.

If you put Big and Jay in a booth right now and say fuck it up, you know big will win that series in 6.

 

[Lefty_]

oh, and

Nas nigga >

and I'm a huge Jay-Z fan.

 

[GetoBoy]

If you encompass everything on the peripheral, than yes, Jay has no peer.

But just rapping, get in the booth and wild out, he's among the best, he's in the conversation, but he's not definitively the best. And to keep it real, there's no way to define it. It's all subjective...

This thread is about to go x amount of pages of niggas trying to sway the next man opinion, when really, this all depends on your lens, there can never be a consensus.

Aiyo, Jordan is better than Kareem bruh.

what i say nigga!?

same amount of rings..

more MVPs..

more NBA team selections..

more NBA Defensive team selections..

more all star appearances..

more points, blocks, rebounds & pretty much the same in assists..

higher shooting percentage..

and thats jus NBA

Kareem been that nigga since Highschool..

Jordan aint make the team..

i dont think he lost a game in college and all the three yrs he played he won College player of the year..

c'mo bruh..

Jordan did everything Kareem did in a half a decade less. and aye, mike dont need no entry pass.

thats inaccurate cause then he'd have everything Kareem has.. the sheer fact Kareem did it for so long at that level says alot.. Jordan took two breaks..

he couldve done more?? maybe.. but he couldve fell the fuck off as well.. who knows..

Kareem came in a champion.. what his 2nd yr.. and left one.. and won 4 inbetween..

nah bruh..

ill give u Jordan the greatest..

but he aint the best.. im not even givin him second best..

Jordan is the most fundamentally sound player to ever play. And i've watched a lot of hoop in my life. He triggers moves with his feet, and his shoulders, not his athleticism,. Niggas still haven't caught up with that. People put lebron on his level, but he's still trying to run through people. He has more post moves than even tim duncan, the only person with more is probably kevin mchale. Magic carried Kareem to a couple rings. Jordan was never carried.

I know you from out west, and Kareem is probably number 2 or 3, but nobody is above mike. He's done too much, the nigga had 10 straight scoring titles. You know what that means.....

Ya'll know i'm comin, but fuck all ya'll, and i'm gon shoot 50% wit my middle finger up.

Hakeem had a better post package also, but that's where it stops. Dream, Mchale, and Jordan.

nigga all that shit u talkin is subjective..

jus like as much as i hate Kobe's bitch ass i feel he had better footwork than Jordan and was a better shooter..

but what im talkin is numbers..

as Jay would say..

men lie women lie numbers dont..

Kobe had better footwork than jordan my nigga.....We're done talking basketball.

But back to this rap shit. That floyd ali comparison is perfect. You hit the nail on the head. Floyd has accomplished more in his career than ali, he's beat more world champions and made much more money. But he's not greater.

Jay has dropped more successful albums and made more money.....But you still have yet to find me a song where jay performed better than big did on victory, and Jay doesn't have an album better than ready to die. Greater is always in relation to talent. Jay is simply not as talented as big, not as good a story teller, not as good a crossover artist, not as good at putting words together.

Accomplishments over time don't make you greater. Accomplishments mean you did more with your talent, and had more longevity. You gon tell me because floyd did more, that he's better than a Roy Jones? Hell no, if those two fought at a catchweight in their primes that nigga roy would be dancin all around the ring and everybody here knows it.

This thread is about the greatest rapper of all time, the greatest mogul of all time thread is that way.

If you put Big and Jay in a booth right now and say fuck it up, you know big will win that series in 6.

Nigga you acting like we don't have proof of Big and Jay on a song Jay has always held his own and in sum cases outshined Big so to say put em both in a booth we've already done that