Is Dak Prescott The Truth?

[Olorun22]

Trash response, you getting killed with facts right now

 

[bow to royalty]

He's in the right position. Elite O line, elitie Running Back, HOF Tight End, And a Playmaker WR (except against Giants this year).

Time will tell

Same thing I said. A lot of QB's are out here looking for a running game, OL, or receiving targets. Let's see how he is when he isn't in the ideal situation. Could still be good. But we're going to have to wait and see

Name a qb in a bad situation that's good?

Didn't say a bad situation. Just one that isn't ideal. He has a top tier OL and RB, and a good group of receiving targets. How many teams would you say have a better supporting offensive cast?

tom brady has had the best teams thru his career and it doesn't hurt his legacy

Bruh, I don't even fuck with Brady and this isn't true at all. What receivers has Brady had? 2 years with Moss? A few seasons with Welker (who was largely a product of elite QB play)? And who were the Pats running backs? Even the O line seems like it gets shuffled around a lot.

You're reachin hard as hell saying Brady's had the best supporting casts throughout his career.

Have you ever wondered an argument against me....nope

This is another W on my list. You're crazy as hell saying Brady has had the best teams throughout his career. Name some of his best WR's and RB's. Reachin hard as hell.

@ghost! @"its....JOHN B" are Pats fans I think. They should know how the Pats roster has been over the years...tell them how Brady had the best supporting casts his whole career.

I never said he had the best supporting cast wtf. I said he has had the best teams. You don't have to have the best talent in the world to win.

Now tell me how has brady not had the best situation in football the past 15 years?

Removing the QB and looking at the offense, plenty of teams are in as good as, or better, situations. Cowboys, Falcons, Steelers, Cardinals, Chiefs, Giants, Raiders, Bengals. A couple more could probably added as a comparable team.

This man just threw 28 TD's and 2 INT's this season. He averaged more TD's per game, than he had total interceptions. All that with Gronk being hurt for a big part of the year. Last year he had 36 TD'S 7 INT with all his WR's being hurt and missing games, and an average running game.

 

[its....JOHN B]

How about leading the Pats to the afc championship after losing Welker and Hernandez in the offseason and Gronk to injury during the season? This dude don't have a clue what he's talking about

 

[Olorun22]

He's in the right position. Elite O line, elitie Running Back, HOF Tight End, And a Playmaker WR (except against Giants this year).

Time will tell

Same thing I said. A lot of QB's are out here looking for a running game, OL, or receiving targets. Let's see how he is when he isn't in the ideal situation. Could still be good. But we're going to have to wait and see

Name a qb in a bad situation that's good?

Didn't say a bad situation. Just one that isn't ideal. He has a top tier OL and RB, and a good group of receiving targets. How many teams would you say have a better supporting offensive cast?

tom brady has had the best teams thru his career and it doesn't hurt his legacy

Bruh, I don't even fuck with Brady and this isn't true at all. What receivers has Brady had? 2 years with Moss? A few seasons with Welker (who was largely a product of elite QB play)? And who were the Pats running backs? Even the O line seems like it gets shuffled around a lot.

You're reachin hard as hell saying Brady's had the best supporting casts throughout his career.

Have you ever wondered an argument against me....nope

This is another W on my list. You're crazy as hell saying Brady has had the best teams throughout his career. Name some of his best WR's and RB's. Reachin hard as hell.

@ghost! @"its....JOHN B" are Pats fans I think. They should know how the Pats roster has been over the years...tell them how Brady had the best supporting casts his whole career.

I never said he had the best supporting cast wtf. I said he has had the best teams. You don't have to have the best talent in the world to win.

Now tell me how has brady not had the best situation in football the past 15 years?

Removing the QB and looking at the offense, plenty of teams are in as good as, or better, situations. Cowboys, Falcons, Steelers, Cardinals, Chiefs, Giants, Raiders, Bengals. A couple more could probably added as a comparable team.

This man just threw 28 TD's and 2 INT's this season. He averaged more TD's per game, than he had total interceptions. All that with Gronk being hurt for a big part of the year. Last year he had 36 TD'S 7 INT with all his WR's being hurt and missing games, and an average running game.

All the team's you just named aren't better than the Pats.

You don't even know what you're talking about. How can you say that the Pats are similar to the other teams but when those teams lose dez or a Aj Green they're offensive isn't the same. Pats lose players and the still win that means brady is in a better situation. Pats gets players that fit there system

 

[bow to royalty]

He's in the right position. Elite O line, elitie Running Back, HOF Tight End, And a Playmaker WR (except against Giants this year).

Time will tell

Same thing I said. A lot of QB's are out here looking for a running game, OL, or receiving targets. Let's see how he is when he isn't in the ideal situation. Could still be good. But we're going to have to wait and see

Name a qb in a bad situation that's good?

Didn't say a bad situation. Just one that isn't ideal. He has a top tier OL and RB, and a good group of receiving targets. How many teams would you say have a better supporting offensive cast?

tom brady has had the best teams thru his career and it doesn't hurt his legacy

Bruh, I don't even fuck with Brady and this isn't true at all. What receivers has Brady had? 2 years with Moss? A few seasons with Welker (who was largely a product of elite QB play)? And who were the Pats running backs? Even the O line seems like it gets shuffled around a lot.

You're reachin hard as hell saying Brady's had the best supporting casts throughout his career.

Have you ever wondered an argument against me....nope

This is another W on my list. You're crazy as hell saying Brady has had the best teams throughout his career. Name some of his best WR's and RB's. Reachin hard as hell.

@ghost! @"its....JOHN B" are Pats fans I think. They should know how the Pats roster has been over the years...tell them how Brady had the best supporting casts his whole career.

I never said he had the best supporting cast wtf. I said he has had the best teams. You don't have to have the best talent in the world to win.

Now tell me how has brady not had the best situation in football the past 15 years?

Removing the QB and looking at the offense, plenty of teams are in as good as, or better, situations. Cowboys, Falcons, Steelers, Cardinals, Chiefs, Giants, Raiders, Bengals. A couple more could probably added as a comparable team.

This man just threw 28 TD's and 2 INT's this season. He averaged more TD's per game, than he had total interceptions. All that with Gronk being hurt for a big part of the year. Last year he had 36 TD'S 7 INT with all his WR's being hurt and missing games, and an average running game.

All the team's you just named aren't better than the Pats.

You don't even know what you're talking about. How can you say that the Pats are similar to the other teams but when those teams lose dez or a Aj Green they're offensive isn't the same. Pats lose players and the still win that means brady is in a better situation. Pats gets players that fit there system

I didn't say those teams were better or similar to the Pats. I said their offensive personnel (with the QB's removed) are as good as or better than the Pats offensive personnel.

And in the bolded, that's just some hater logic. So if Edelman gets hurt, and Brady does worse, that would reflect well on Brady? Because you're saying if Edelman gets hurt, and Brady keeps doing well it's a knock on Brady (because you're taking credit away from him, and giving it to his system)

 

[Olorun22]

He's in the right position. Elite O line, elitie Running Back, HOF Tight End, And a Playmaker WR (except against Giants this year).

Time will tell

Same thing I said. A lot of QB's are out here looking for a running game, OL, or receiving targets. Let's see how he is when he isn't in the ideal situation. Could still be good. But we're going to have to wait and see

Name a qb in a bad situation that's good?

Didn't say a bad situation. Just one that isn't ideal. He has a top tier OL and RB, and a good group of receiving targets. How many teams would you say have a better supporting offensive cast?

tom brady has had the best teams thru his career and it doesn't hurt his legacy

Bruh, I don't even fuck with Brady and this isn't true at all. What receivers has Brady had? 2 years with Moss? A few seasons with Welker (who was largely a product of elite QB play)? And who were the Pats running backs? Even the O line seems like it gets shuffled around a lot.

You're reachin hard as hell saying Brady's had the best supporting casts throughout his career.

Have you ever wondered an argument against me....nope

This is another W on my list. You're crazy as hell saying Brady has had the best teams throughout his career. Name some of his best WR's and RB's. Reachin hard as hell.

@ghost! @"its....JOHN B" are Pats fans I think. They should know how the Pats roster has been over the years...tell them how Brady had the best supporting casts his whole career.

I never said he had the best supporting cast wtf. I said he has had the best teams. You don't have to have the best talent in the world to win.

Now tell me how has brady not had the best situation in football the past 15 years?

Removing the QB and looking at the offense, plenty of teams are in as good as, or better, situations. Cowboys, Falcons, Steelers, Cardinals, Chiefs, Giants, Raiders, Bengals. A couple more could probably added as a comparable team.

This man just threw 28 TD's and 2 INT's this season. He averaged more TD's per game, than he had total interceptions. All that with Gronk being hurt for a big part of the year. Last year he had 36 TD'S 7 INT with all his WR's being hurt and missing games, and an average running game.

All the team's you just named aren't better than the Pats.

You don't even know what you're talking about. How can you say that the Pats are similar to the other teams but when those teams lose dez or a Aj Green they're offensive isn't the same. Pats lose players and the still win that means brady is in a better situation. Pats gets players that fit there system

I didn't say those teams were better or similar to the Pats. I said their offensive personnel (with the QB's removed) are as good as or better than the Pats offensive personnel.

And in the bolded, that's just some hater logic. So if Edelman gets hurt, and Brady does worse, that would reflect well on Brady? Because you're saying if Edelman gets hurt, and Brady keeps doing well it's a knock on Brady (because you're taking credit away from him, and giving it to his system)

The personal is better talent wise but Pats system is better overall and they have the stats to prove it.

I'm not being a hater at all. You have these players who step in and and do good . That points to the coaching system .

You even have a dumb ass pats fan that making my point with it being the system when they lose players.

BB is the mastermind behind all of this and he has a winning record with out brady

 

[bow to royalty]

He's in the right position. Elite O line, elitie Running Back, HOF Tight End, And a Playmaker WR (except against Giants this year).

Time will tell

Same thing I said. A lot of QB's are out here looking for a running game, OL, or receiving targets. Let's see how he is when he isn't in the ideal situation. Could still be good. But we're going to have to wait and see

Name a qb in a bad situation that's good?

Didn't say a bad situation. Just one that isn't ideal. He has a top tier OL and RB, and a good group of receiving targets. How many teams would you say have a better supporting offensive cast?

tom brady has had the best teams thru his career and it doesn't hurt his legacy

Bruh, I don't even fuck with Brady and this isn't true at all. What receivers has Brady had? 2 years with Moss? A few seasons with Welker (who was largely a product of elite QB play)? And who were the Pats running backs? Even the O line seems like it gets shuffled around a lot.

You're reachin hard as hell saying Brady's had the best supporting casts throughout his career.

Have you ever wondered an argument against me....nope

This is another W on my list. You're crazy as hell saying Brady has had the best teams throughout his career. Name some of his best WR's and RB's. Reachin hard as hell.

@ghost! @"its....JOHN B" are Pats fans I think. They should know how the Pats roster has been over the years...tell them how Brady had the best supporting casts his whole career.

I never said he had the best supporting cast wtf. I said he has had the best teams. You don't have to have the best talent in the world to win.

Now tell me how has brady not had the best situation in football the past 15 years?

Removing the QB and looking at the offense, plenty of teams are in as good as, or better, situations. Cowboys, Falcons, Steelers, Cardinals, Chiefs, Giants, Raiders, Bengals. A couple more could probably added as a comparable team.

This man just threw 28 TD's and 2 INT's this season. He averaged more TD's per game, than he had total interceptions. All that with Gronk being hurt for a big part of the year. Last year he had 36 TD'S 7 INT with all his WR's being hurt and missing games, and an average running game.

All the team's you just named aren't better than the Pats.

You don't even know what you're talking about. How can you say that the Pats are similar to the other teams but when those teams lose dez or a Aj Green they're offensive isn't the same. Pats lose players and the still win that means brady is in a better situation. Pats gets players that fit there system

I didn't say those teams were better or similar to the Pats. I said their offensive personnel (with the QB's removed) are as good as or better than the Pats offensive personnel.

And in the bolded, that's just some hater logic. So if Edelman gets hurt, and Brady does worse, that would reflect well on Brady? Because you're saying if Edelman gets hurt, and Brady keeps doing well it's a knock on Brady (because you're taking credit away from him, and giving it to his system)

The personal is better talent wise but Pats system is better overall and they have the stats to prove it.

I'm not being a hater at all. You have these players who step in and and do good . That points to the coaching system .

You even have a dumb ass pats fan that making my point with it being the system when they lose players.

BB is the mastermind behind all of this and he has a winning record with out brady

He's not making your point. You're changing your point. Now it's Brady has a better coach/system. Your original point was he has a better team. That's not the same thing.

 

[Olorun22]

He's in the right position. Elite O line, elitie Running Back, HOF Tight End, And a Playmaker WR (except against Giants this year).

Time will tell

Same thing I said. A lot of QB's are out here looking for a running game, OL, or receiving targets. Let's see how he is when he isn't in the ideal situation. Could still be good. But we're going to have to wait and see

Name a qb in a bad situation that's good?

Didn't say a bad situation. Just one that isn't ideal. He has a top tier OL and RB, and a good group of receiving targets. How many teams would you say have a better supporting offensive cast?

tom brady has had the best teams thru his career and it doesn't hurt his legacy

Bruh, I don't even fuck with Brady and this isn't true at all. What receivers has Brady had? 2 years with Moss? A few seasons with Welker (who was largely a product of elite QB play)? And who were the Pats running backs? Even the O line seems like it gets shuffled around a lot.

You're reachin hard as hell saying Brady's had the best supporting casts throughout his career.

Have you ever wondered an argument against me....nope

This is another W on my list. You're crazy as hell saying Brady has had the best teams throughout his career. Name some of his best WR's and RB's. Reachin hard as hell.

@ghost! @"its....JOHN B" are Pats fans I think. They should know how the Pats roster has been over the years...tell them how Brady had the best supporting casts his whole career.

I never said he had the best supporting cast wtf. I said he has had the best teams. You don't have to have the best talent in the world to win.

Now tell me how has brady not had the best situation in football the past 15 years?

Removing the QB and looking at the offense, plenty of teams are in as good as, or better, situations. Cowboys, Falcons, Steelers, Cardinals, Chiefs, Giants, Raiders, Bengals. A couple more could probably added as a comparable team.

This man just threw 28 TD's and 2 INT's this season. He averaged more TD's per game, than he had total interceptions. All that with Gronk being hurt for a big part of the year. Last year he had 36 TD'S 7 INT with all his WR's being hurt and missing games, and an average running game.

All the team's you just named aren't better than the Pats.

You don't even know what you're talking about. How can you say that the Pats are similar to the other teams but when those teams lose dez or a Aj Green they're offensive isn't the same. Pats lose players and the still win that means brady is in a better situation. Pats gets players that fit there system

I didn't say those teams were better or similar to the Pats. I said their offensive personnel (with the QB's removed) are as good as or better than the Pats offensive personnel.

And in the bolded, that's just some hater logic. So if Edelman gets hurt, and Brady does worse, that would reflect well on Brady? Because you're saying if Edelman gets hurt, and Brady keeps doing well it's a knock on Brady (because you're taking credit away from him, and giving it to his system)

The personal is better talent wise but Pats system is better overall and they have the stats to prove it.

I'm not being a hater at all. You have these players who step in and and do good . That points to the coaching system .

You even have a dumb ass pats fan that making my point with it being the system when they lose players.

BB is the mastermind behind all of this and he has a winning record with out brady

He's not making your point. You're changing your point. Now it's Brady has a better coach/system. Your original point was he has a better team. That's not the same thing.

Yes, he did. You're the one that brought up the offenses comparison I basically said the better team. So when you bought up the offensive comparison that's when I alluded to the system and not the players.

So yes my point still stands that Brady throughout the last 15 years has had the better team. I never brought up the individual players because like I said earlier Pat's run a good system and that's a fact

 

[5 Grand]

He's in the right position. Elite O line, elitie Running Back, HOF Tight End, And a Playmaker WR (except against Giants this year).

Time will tell

Same thing I said. A lot of QB's are out here looking for a running game, OL, or receiving targets. Let's see how he is when he isn't in the ideal situation. Could still be good. But we're going to have to wait and see

Name a qb in a bad situation that's good?

Didn't say a bad situation. Just one that isn't ideal. He has a top tier OL and RB, and a good group of receiving targets. How many teams would you say have a better supporting offensive cast?

tom brady has had the best teams thru his career and it doesn't hurt his legacy

Bruh, I don't even fuck with Brady and this isn't true at all. What receivers has Brady had? 2 years with Moss? A few seasons with Welker (who was largely a product of elite QB play)? And who were the Pats running backs? Even the O line seems like it gets shuffled around a lot.

You're reachin hard as hell saying Brady's had the best supporting casts throughout his career.

Have you ever wondered an argument against me....nope

This is another W on my list. You're crazy as hell saying Brady has had the best teams throughout his career. Name some of his best WR's and RB's. Reachin hard as hell.

@ghost! @"its....JOHN B" are Pats fans I think. They should know how the Pats roster has been over the years...tell them how Brady had the best supporting casts his whole career.

I never said he had the best supporting cast wtf. I said he has had the best teams. You don't have to have the best talent in the world to win.

Now tell me how has brady not had the best situation in football the past 15 years?

Removing the QB and looking at the offense, plenty of teams are in as good as, or better, situations. Cowboys, Falcons, Steelers, Cardinals, Chiefs, Giants, Raiders, Bengals. A couple more could probably added as a comparable team.

This man just threw 28 TD's and 2 INT's this season. He averaged more TD's per game, than he had total interceptions. All that with Gronk being hurt for a big part of the year. Last year he had 36 TD'S 7 INT with all his WR's being hurt and missing games, and an average running game.

All the team's you just named aren't better than the Pats.

You don't even know what you're talking about. How can you say that the Pats are similar to the other teams but when those teams lose dez or a Aj Green they're offensive isn't the same. Pats lose players and the still win that means brady is in a better situation. Pats gets players that fit there system

I didn't say those teams were better or similar to the Pats. I said their offensive personnel (with the QB's removed) are as good as or better than the Pats offensive personnel.

And in the bolded, that's just some hater logic. So if Edelman gets hurt, and Brady does worse, that would reflect well on Brady? Because you're saying if Edelman gets hurt, and Brady keeps doing well it's a knock on Brady (because you're taking credit away from him, and giving it to his system)

The personal is better talent wise but Pats system is better overall and they have the stats to prove it.

I'm not being a hater at all. You have these players who step in and and do good . That points to the coaching system .

You even have a dumb ass pats fan that making my point with it being the system when they lose players.

BB is the mastermind behind all of this and he has a winning record with out brady

He's not making your point. You're changing your point. Now it's Brady has a better coach/system. Your original point was he has a better team. That's not the same thing.

Yes, he did. You're the one that brought up the offenses comparison I basically said the better team. So when you bought up the offensive comparison that's when I alluded to the system and not the players.

So yes my point still stands that Brady throughout the last 15 years has had the better team. I never brought up the individual players because like I said earlier Pat's run a good system and that's a fact

Nosign.

Brady's gone to the Superbowls with completely different teams.

The first Superbowl in 2002 he had one team. And I'm pretty sure the next time he went to the Superbowl in 04 or 05 he was the only person from the 2002 team still there.

And it happened again in 2008 and 2012, those were completely different teams than the teams that won in 02, 04 and 05.

Brady and Billicheck are the only two people from the original 2002 squad.

I get the feeling you could assemble any 52 players with Brady as the QB and he could win a Superbowl.

 

[Olorun22]

If you know I said Team why would you try to bring up The Supporting Cast when the Pats have been winning with what they have which mean they have the best team

 

[its....JOHN B]

He's in the right position. Elite O line, elitie Running Back, HOF Tight End, And a Playmaker WR (except against Giants this year).

Time will tell

Same thing I said. A lot of QB's are out here looking for a running game, OL, or receiving targets. Let's see how he is when he isn't in the ideal situation. Could still be good. But we're going to have to wait and see

Name a qb in a bad situation that's good?

Didn't say a bad situation. Just one that isn't ideal. He has a top tier OL and RB, and a good group of receiving targets. How many teams would you say have a better supporting offensive cast?

tom brady has had the best teams thru his career and it doesn't hurt his legacy

Bruh, I don't even fuck with Brady and this isn't true at all. What receivers has Brady had? 2 years with Moss? A few seasons with Welker (who was largely a product of elite QB play)? And who were the Pats running backs? Even the O line seems like it gets shuffled around a lot.

You're reachin hard as hell saying Brady's had the best supporting casts throughout his career.

Have you ever wondered an argument against me....nope

This is another W on my list. You're crazy as hell saying Brady has had the best teams throughout his career. Name some of his best WR's and RB's. Reachin hard as hell.

@ghost! @"its....JOHN B" are Pats fans I think. They should know how the Pats roster has been over the years...tell them how Brady had the best supporting casts his whole career.

I never said he had the best supporting cast wtf. I said he has had the best teams. You don't have to have the best talent in the world to win.

Now tell me how has brady not had the best situation in football the past 15 years?

Removing the QB and looking at the offense, plenty of teams are in as good as, or better, situations. Cowboys, Falcons, Steelers, Cardinals, Chiefs, Giants, Raiders, Bengals. A couple more could probably added as a comparable team.

This man just threw 28 TD's and 2 INT's this season. He averaged more TD's per game, than he had total interceptions. All that with Gronk being hurt for a big part of the year. Last year he had 36 TD'S 7 INT with all his WR's being hurt and missing games, and an average running game.

All the team's you just named aren't better than the Pats.

You don't even know what you're talking about. How can you say that the Pats are similar to the other teams but when those teams lose dez or a Aj Green they're offensive isn't the same. Pats lose players and the still win that means brady is in a better situation. Pats gets players that fit there system

I didn't say those teams were better or similar to the Pats. I said their offensive personnel (with the QB's removed) are as good as or better than the Pats offensive personnel.

And in the bolded, that's just some hater logic. So if Edelman gets hurt, and Brady does worse, that would reflect well on Brady? Because you're saying if Edelman gets hurt, and Brady keeps doing well it's a knock on Brady (because you're taking credit away from him, and giving it to his system)

The personal is better talent wise but Pats system is better overall and they have the stats to prove it.

I'm not being a hater at all. You have these players who step in and and do good . That points to the coaching system .

You even have a dumb ass pats fan that making my point with it being the system when they lose players.

BB is the mastermind behind all of this and he has a winning record with out brady

He's not making your point. You're changing your point. Now it's Brady has a better coach/system. Your original point was he has a better team. That's not the same thing.

Yes, he did. You're the one that brought up the offenses comparison I basically said the better team. So when you bought up the offensive comparison that's when I alluded to the system and not the players.

So yes my point still stands that Brady throughout the last 15 years has had the better team. I never brought up the individual players because like I said earlier Pat's run a good system and that's a fact

Nosign.

Brady's gone to the Superbowls with completely different teams.

The first Superbowl in 2002 he had one team. And I'm pretty sure the next time he went to the Superbowl in 04 or 05 he was the only person from the 2002 team still there.

And it happened again in 2008 and 2012, those were completely different teams than the teams that won in 02, 04 and 05.

Brady and Billicheck are the only two people from the original 2002 squad.

I get the feeling you could assemble any 52 players with Brady as the QB and he could win a Superbowl.

Nah, there were plenty players from 01-02 left during the next two superbowls

Troy Brown

Ty Law

Vinatieri

Mcginest

Bruschi

Roman Phifer

Seymour

Faulk

Ted Johnson

Andruzzi

Patrick Pass

Vrabel

Matt Light

Lonnie Paxton

 

[5 Grand]

He's in the right position. Elite O line, elitie Running Back, HOF Tight End, And a Playmaker WR (except against Giants this year).

Time will tell

Same thing I said. A lot of QB's are out here looking for a running game, OL, or receiving targets. Let's see how he is when he isn't in the ideal situation. Could still be good. But we're going to have to wait and see

Name a qb in a bad situation that's good?

Didn't say a bad situation. Just one that isn't ideal. He has a top tier OL and RB, and a good group of receiving targets. How many teams would you say have a better supporting offensive cast?

tom brady has had the best teams thru his career and it doesn't hurt his legacy

Bruh, I don't even fuck with Brady and this isn't true at all. What receivers has Brady had? 2 years with Moss? A few seasons with Welker (who was largely a product of elite QB play)? And who were the Pats running backs? Even the O line seems like it gets shuffled around a lot.

You're reachin hard as hell saying Brady's had the best supporting casts throughout his career.

Have you ever wondered an argument against me....nope

This is another W on my list. You're crazy as hell saying Brady has had the best teams throughout his career. Name some of his best WR's and RB's. Reachin hard as hell.

@ghost! @"its....JOHN B" are Pats fans I think. They should know how the Pats roster has been over the years...tell them how Brady had the best supporting casts his whole career.

I never said he had the best supporting cast wtf. I said he has had the best teams. You don't have to have the best talent in the world to win.

Now tell me how has brady not had the best situation in football the past 15 years?

Removing the QB and looking at the offense, plenty of teams are in as good as, or better, situations. Cowboys, Falcons, Steelers, Cardinals, Chiefs, Giants, Raiders, Bengals. A couple more could probably added as a comparable team.

This man just threw 28 TD's and 2 INT's this season. He averaged more TD's per game, than he had total interceptions. All that with Gronk being hurt for a big part of the year. Last year he had 36 TD'S 7 INT with all his WR's being hurt and missing games, and an average running game.

All the team's you just named aren't better than the Pats.

You don't even know what you're talking about. How can you say that the Pats are similar to the other teams but when those teams lose dez or a Aj Green they're offensive isn't the same. Pats lose players and the still win that means brady is in a better situation. Pats gets players that fit there system

I didn't say those teams were better or similar to the Pats. I said their offensive personnel (with the QB's removed) are as good as or better than the Pats offensive personnel.

And in the bolded, that's just some hater logic. So if Edelman gets hurt, and Brady does worse, that would reflect well on Brady? Because you're saying if Edelman gets hurt, and Brady keeps doing well it's a knock on Brady (because you're taking credit away from him, and giving it to his system)

The personal is better talent wise but Pats system is better overall and they have the stats to prove it.

I'm not being a hater at all. You have these players who step in and and do good . That points to the coaching system .

You even have a dumb ass pats fan that making my point with it being the system when they lose players.

BB is the mastermind behind all of this and he has a winning record with out brady

He's not making your point. You're changing your point. Now it's Brady has a better coach/system. Your original point was he has a better team. That's not the same thing.

Yes, he did. You're the one that brought up the offenses comparison I basically said the better team. So when you bought up the offensive comparison that's when I alluded to the system and not the players.

So yes my point still stands that Brady throughout the last 15 years has had the better team. I never brought up the individual players because like I said earlier Pat's run a good system and that's a fact

Nosign.

Brady's gone to the Superbowls with completely different teams.

The first Superbowl in 2002 he had one team. And I'm pretty sure the next time he went to the Superbowl in 04 or 05 he was the only person from the 2002 team still there.

And it happened again in 2008 and 2012, those were completely different teams than the teams that won in 02, 04 and 05.

Brady and Billicheck are the only two people from the original 2002 squad.

I get the feeling you could assemble any 52 players with Brady as the QB and he could win a Superbowl.

Nah, there were plenty players from 01-02 left during the next two superbowls

Troy Brown

Ty Law

Vinatieri

Mcginest

Bruschi

Roman Phifer

Seymour

Faulk

Ted Johnson

Andruzzi

Patrick Pass

Vrabel

Matt Light

Lonnie Paxton

Well I don't think any of those guys were there in the 08 and 12 Superbowls

 

[its....JOHN B]

He's in the right position. Elite O line, elitie Running Back, HOF Tight End, And a Playmaker WR (except against Giants this year).

Time will tell

Same thing I said. A lot of QB's are out here looking for a running game, OL, or receiving targets. Let's see how he is when he isn't in the ideal situation. Could still be good. But we're going to have to wait and see

Name a qb in a bad situation that's good?

Didn't say a bad situation. Just one that isn't ideal. He has a top tier OL and RB, and a good group of receiving targets. How many teams would you say have a better supporting offensive cast?

tom brady has had the best teams thru his career and it doesn't hurt his legacy

Bruh, I don't even fuck with Brady and this isn't true at all. What receivers has Brady had? 2 years with Moss? A few seasons with Welker (who was largely a product of elite QB play)? And who were the Pats running backs? Even the O line seems like it gets shuffled around a lot.

You're reachin hard as hell saying Brady's had the best supporting casts throughout his career.

Have you ever wondered an argument against me....nope

This is another W on my list. You're crazy as hell saying Brady has had the best teams throughout his career. Name some of his best WR's and RB's. Reachin hard as hell.

@ghost! @"its....JOHN B" are Pats fans I think. They should know how the Pats roster has been over the years...tell them how Brady had the best supporting casts his whole career.

I never said he had the best supporting cast wtf. I said he has had the best teams. You don't have to have the best talent in the world to win.

Now tell me how has brady not had the best situation in football the past 15 years?

Removing the QB and looking at the offense, plenty of teams are in as good as, or better, situations. Cowboys, Falcons, Steelers, Cardinals, Chiefs, Giants, Raiders, Bengals. A couple more could probably added as a comparable team.

This man just threw 28 TD's and 2 INT's this season. He averaged more TD's per game, than he had total interceptions. All that with Gronk being hurt for a big part of the year. Last year he had 36 TD'S 7 INT with all his WR's being hurt and missing games, and an average running game.

All the team's you just named aren't better than the Pats.

You don't even know what you're talking about. How can you say that the Pats are similar to the other teams but when those teams lose dez or a Aj Green they're offensive isn't the same. Pats lose players and the still win that means brady is in a better situation. Pats gets players that fit there system

I didn't say those teams were better or similar to the Pats. I said their offensive personnel (with the QB's removed) are as good as or better than the Pats offensive personnel.

And in the bolded, that's just some hater logic. So if Edelman gets hurt, and Brady does worse, that would reflect well on Brady? Because you're saying if Edelman gets hurt, and Brady keeps doing well it's a knock on Brady (because you're taking credit away from him, and giving it to his system)

The personal is better talent wise but Pats system is better overall and they have the stats to prove it.

I'm not being a hater at all. You have these players who step in and and do good . That points to the coaching system .

You even have a dumb ass pats fan that making my point with it being the system when they lose players.

BB is the mastermind behind all of this and he has a winning record with out brady

He's not making your point. You're changing your point. Now it's Brady has a better coach/system. Your original point was he has a better team. That's not the same thing.

Yes, he did. You're the one that brought up the offenses comparison I basically said the better team. So when you bought up the offensive comparison that's when I alluded to the system and not the players.

So yes my point still stands that Brady throughout the last 15 years has had the better team. I never brought up the individual players because like I said earlier Pat's run a good system and that's a fact

Nosign.

Brady's gone to the Superbowls with completely different teams.

The first Superbowl in 2002 he had one team. And I'm pretty sure the next time he went to the Superbowl in 04 or 05 he was the only person from the 2002 team still there.

And it happened again in 2008 and 2012, those were completely different teams than the teams that won in 02, 04 and 05.

Brady and Billicheck are the only two people from the original 2002 squad.

I get the feeling you could assemble any 52 players with Brady as the QB and he could win a Superbowl.

Nah, there were plenty players from 01-02 left during the next two superbowls

Troy Brown

Ty Law

Vinatieri

Mcginest

Bruschi

Roman Phifer

Seymour

Faulk

Ted Johnson

Andruzzi

Patrick Pass

Vrabel

Matt Light

Lonnie Paxton

Well I don't think any of those guys were there in the 08 and 12 Superbowls

A lot of them were still there in 08, but we didn't win regardless those two years, none of them were there in the 2015 superbowl we won

 

[aneed123]

Bradys first Super Bowl was won by his defense.... Hell the first 3 had great defenses with Ty Law Lawyer Maloy, Willie Mcginest, Richard Seymor(who was a beast) Vrabel and Bruschi.... Later they got Rodney Harrison and Asante Samuel/ Tom didnt have wrs and Belicheck made due with Antwan Smith and Troy Brown. Corey Dilon was a great rb so lets quit with the whole didnt have any talent narrative. He had the best coach with great coordinators and talent along with being great

 

[bow to royalty]

Bradys first Super Bowl was won by his defense.... Hell the first 3 had great defenses with Ty Law Lawyer Maloy, Willie Mcginest, Richard Seymor(who was a beast) Vrabel and Bruschi.... Later they got Rodney Harrison and Asante Samuel/ Tom didnt have wrs and Belicheck made due with Antwan Smith and Troy Brown. Corey Dilon was a great rb so lets quit with the whole didnt have any talent narrative. He had the best coach with great coordinators and talent along with being great

No one said the Pats didn't have talent. I'm talking Brady's performance, so I'm just looking at offense. Dillon had 1 good year in NE 12 years ago. What have all these coordinators and coaches done without Brady?

 

[bow to royalty]

He's in the right position. Elite O line, elitie Running Back, HOF Tight End, And a Playmaker WR (except against Giants this year).

Time will tell

Same thing I said. A lot of QB's are out here looking for a running game, OL, or receiving targets. Let's see how he is when he isn't in the ideal situation. Could still be good. But we're going to have to wait and see

Name a qb in a bad situation that's good?

Didn't say a bad situation. Just one that isn't ideal. He has a top tier OL and RB, and a good group of receiving targets. How many teams would you say have a better supporting offensive cast?

tom brady has had the best teams thru his career and it doesn't hurt his legacy

Bruh, I don't even fuck with Brady and this isn't true at all. What receivers has Brady had? 2 years with Moss? A few seasons with Welker (who was largely a product of elite QB play)? And who were the Pats running backs? Even the O line seems like it gets shuffled around a lot.

You're reachin hard as hell saying Brady's had the best supporting casts throughout his career.

Have you ever wondered an argument against me....nope

This is another W on my list. You're crazy as hell saying Brady has had the best teams throughout his career. Name some of his best WR's and RB's. Reachin hard as hell.

@ghost! @"its....JOHN B" are Pats fans I think. They should know how the Pats roster has been over the years...tell them how Brady had the best supporting casts his whole career.

I never said he had the best supporting cast wtf. I said he has had the best teams. You don't have to have the best talent in the world to win.

Now tell me how has brady not had the best situation in football the past 15 years?

Removing the QB and looking at the offense, plenty of teams are in as good as, or better, situations. Cowboys, Falcons, Steelers, Cardinals, Chiefs, Giants, Raiders, Bengals. A couple more could probably added as a comparable team.

This man just threw 28 TD's and 2 INT's this season. He averaged more TD's per game, than he had total interceptions. All that with Gronk being hurt for a big part of the year. Last year he had 36 TD'S 7 INT with all his WR's being hurt and missing games, and an average running game.

All the team's you just named aren't better than the Pats.

You don't even know what you're talking about. How can you say that the Pats are similar to the other teams but when those teams lose dez or a Aj Green they're offensive isn't the same. Pats lose players and the still win that means brady is in a better situation. Pats gets players that fit there system

I didn't say those teams were better or similar to the Pats. I said their offensive personnel (with the QB's removed) are as good as or better than the Pats offensive personnel.

And in the bolded, that's just some hater logic. So if Edelman gets hurt, and Brady does worse, that would reflect well on Brady? Because you're saying if Edelman gets hurt, and Brady keeps doing well it's a knock on Brady (because you're taking credit away from him, and giving it to his system)

The personal is better talent wise but Pats system is better overall and they have the stats to prove it.

I'm not being a hater at all. You have these players who step in and and do good . That points to the coaching system .

You even have a dumb ass pats fan that making my point with it being the system when they lose players.

BB is the mastermind behind all of this and he has a winning record with out brady

He's not making your point. You're changing your point. Now it's Brady has a better coach/system. Your original point was he has a better team. That's not the same thing.

Yes, he did. You're the one that brought up the offenses comparison I basically said the better team. So when you bought up the offensive comparison that's when I alluded to the system and not the players.

So yes my point still stands that Brady throughout the last 15 years has had the better team. I never brought up the individual players because like I said earlier Pat's run a good system and that's a fact

The system aspect is an overrated cop out. BB wasn't winning before Tom. Tom hasn't played without BB. They're on their way to their 7th SB, and they've won 4...none without each other. Before Tom this was Bill's career.

- 5 seasons in CLE, and 4 of them were losing seasons. Overall record 37-45

- 1 season in NE with a 5-11 record (2000)...this was pre-Brady. Overall record 42-56

- The following year the Pats start 0-2 (Bill is 5-13 in NE and has an Overall record 42-58

- Brady becomes the starter in game 3 and the Pats go 14-3 to finish the season and win the SB.

- Brady goes on to go 207-61, winning 77% of his games

So my question is where was this irreplaceable "anyone can win" situation pre-Brady? When BB had 6 seasons as a coach, 5 of them were losing seasons, and he made the playoffs once, where was the system? When Bill has 64 losses and reached the playoffs once in just over 7 seasons without Brady, vs 61 losses, and reaching the playoffs 15 times in 16 seasons WITH Brady, can you back up the system claim?

 

[blu197]

I don't never hear niggas try to slight Duncan for playing under Pop but they do it for Brady playing under Belichick.

Belichick wasn't winning shit b4 Brady, plus he was the starting QB at Michigan so this narrative that Belichick took some untalented no name kid from junior college and turned into a great QB is crazy. Though im sure Brady has learned a lot from ALL of his coaches (not just BB) that allows him to get the most out of his abilities.

 

[Olorun22]

He's in the right position. Elite O line, elitie Running Back, HOF Tight End, And a Playmaker WR (except against Giants this year).

Time will tell

Same thing I said. A lot of QB's are out here looking for a running game, OL, or receiving targets. Let's see how he is when he isn't in the ideal situation. Could still be good. But we're going to have to wait and see

Name a qb in a bad situation that's good?

Didn't say a bad situation. Just one that isn't ideal. He has a top tier OL and RB, and a good group of receiving targets. How many teams would you say have a better supporting offensive cast?

tom brady has had the best teams thru his career and it doesn't hurt his legacy

Bruh, I don't even fuck with Brady and this isn't true at all. What receivers has Brady had? 2 years with Moss? A few seasons with Welker (who was largely a product of elite QB play)? And who were the Pats running backs? Even the O line seems like it gets shuffled around a lot.

You're reachin hard as hell saying Brady's had the best supporting casts throughout his career.

Have you ever wondered an argument against me....nope

This is another W on my list. You're crazy as hell saying Brady has had the best teams throughout his career. Name some of his best WR's and RB's. Reachin hard as hell.

@ghost! @"its....JOHN B" are Pats fans I think. They should know how the Pats roster has been over the years...tell them how Brady had the best supporting casts his whole career.

I never said he had the best supporting cast wtf. I said he has had the best teams. You don't have to have the best talent in the world to win.

Now tell me how has brady not had the best situation in football the past 15 years?

Removing the QB and looking at the offense, plenty of teams are in as good as, or better, situations. Cowboys, Falcons, Steelers, Cardinals, Chiefs, Giants, Raiders, Bengals. A couple more could probably added as a comparable team.

This man just threw 28 TD's and 2 INT's this season. He averaged more TD's per game, than he had total interceptions. All that with Gronk being hurt for a big part of the year. Last year he had 36 TD'S 7 INT with all his WR's being hurt and missing games, and an average running game.

All the team's you just named aren't better than the Pats.

You don't even know what you're talking about. How can you say that the Pats are similar to the other teams but when those teams lose dez or a Aj Green they're offensive isn't the same. Pats lose players and the still win that means brady is in a better situation. Pats gets players that fit there system

I didn't say those teams were better or similar to the Pats. I said their offensive personnel (with the QB's removed) are as good as or better than the Pats offensive personnel.

And in the bolded, that's just some hater logic. So if Edelman gets hurt, and Brady does worse, that would reflect well on Brady? Because you're saying if Edelman gets hurt, and Brady keeps doing well it's a knock on Brady (because you're taking credit away from him, and giving it to his system)

The personal is better talent wise but Pats system is better overall and they have the stats to prove it.

I'm not being a hater at all. You have these players who step in and and do good . That points to the coaching system .

You even have a dumb ass pats fan that making my point with it being the system when they lose players.

BB is the mastermind behind all of this and he has a winning record with out brady

He's not making your point. You're changing your point. Now it's Brady has a better coach/system. Your original point was he has a better team. That's not the same thing.

Yes, he did. You're the one that brought up the offenses comparison I basically said the better team. So when you bought up the offensive comparison that's when I alluded to the system and not the players.

So yes my point still stands that Brady throughout the last 15 years has had the better team. I never brought up the individual players because like I said earlier Pat's run a good system and that's a fact

The system aspect is an overrated cop out. BB wasn't winning before Tom. Tom hasn't played without BB. They're on their way to their 7th SB, and they've won 4...none without each other. Before Tom this was Bill's career.

- 5 seasons in CLE, and 4 of them were losing seasons. Overall record 37-45

- 1 season in NE with a 5-11 record (2000)...this was pre-Brady. Overall record 42-56

- The following year the Pats start 0-2 (Bill is 5-13 in NE and has an Overall record 42-58

- Brady becomes the starter in game 3 and the Pats go 14-3 to finish the season and win the SB.

- Brady goes on to go 207-61, winning 77% of his games

So my question is where was this irreplaceable "anyone can win" situation pre-Brady? When BB had 6 seasons as a coach, 5 of them were losing seasons, and he made the playoffs once, where was the system? When Bill has 64 losses and reached the playoffs once in just over 7 seasons without Brady, vs 61 losses, and reaching the playoffs 15 times in 16 seasons WITH Brady, can you back up the system claim?

You and your strawman arguments smh....Doesn't BB have a winning record while at NE without brady 13-6?? What other proof do you need? Why do you feel the need to have me answer all those question when you and I have both witness NE lose players and they still win. What does that tell you? How is that not the best situation when people on your team go down and you still win? It's coaching, you don't have to have big names to win and NE has proved that time and time again.

You keep coming at me but you still haven't refuted my claim that Brady has had the best situation in football the past 15 years. This all started when people try to downplay Dak and his situation with the cowboys and what to give the "yea but" he has talent on his team and a offense line etc. But when you bring up brady situation it's just because brady great smh.

 

[blu197]

When Brady was out for a season Pats went 11-5 and missed the playoffs but were 16-0 and made the Super Bowl the year b4 with Brady throwing for 50+ TDs and breaking records that year...

This tells you that Brady has a 5 game impact. So if you were to hypothetically remove Brady from the Pats from whatever season, subtract 5 wins off from their record, I'm sure Pats miss the playoffs 90% of the time.

 

[bow to royalty]

He's in the right position. Elite O line, elitie Running Back, HOF Tight End, And a Playmaker WR (except against Giants this year).

Time will tell

Same thing I said. A lot of QB's are out here looking for a running game, OL, or receiving targets. Let's see how he is when he isn't in the ideal situation. Could still be good. But we're going to have to wait and see

Name a qb in a bad situation that's good?

Didn't say a bad situation. Just one that isn't ideal. He has a top tier OL and RB, and a good group of receiving targets. How many teams would you say have a better supporting offensive cast?

tom brady has had the best teams thru his career and it doesn't hurt his legacy

Bruh, I don't even fuck with Brady and this isn't true at all. What receivers has Brady had? 2 years with Moss? A few seasons with Welker (who was largely a product of elite QB play)? And who were the Pats running backs? Even the O line seems like it gets shuffled around a lot.

You're reachin hard as hell saying Brady's had the best supporting casts throughout his career.

Have you ever wondered an argument against me....nope

This is another W on my list. You're crazy as hell saying Brady has had the best teams throughout his career. Name some of his best WR's and RB's. Reachin hard as hell.

@ghost! @"its....JOHN B" are Pats fans I think. They should know how the Pats roster has been over the years...tell them how Brady had the best supporting casts his whole career.

I never said he had the best supporting cast wtf. I said he has had the best teams. You don't have to have the best talent in the world to win.

Now tell me how has brady not had the best situation in football the past 15 years?

Removing the QB and looking at the offense, plenty of teams are in as good as, or better, situations. Cowboys, Falcons, Steelers, Cardinals, Chiefs, Giants, Raiders, Bengals. A couple more could probably added as a comparable team.

This man just threw 28 TD's and 2 INT's this season. He averaged more TD's per game, than he had total interceptions. All that with Gronk being hurt for a big part of the year. Last year he had 36 TD'S 7 INT with all his WR's being hurt and missing games, and an average running game.

All the team's you just named aren't better than the Pats.

You don't even know what you're talking about. How can you say that the Pats are similar to the other teams but when those teams lose dez or a Aj Green they're offensive isn't the same. Pats lose players and the still win that means brady is in a better situation. Pats gets players that fit there system

I didn't say those teams were better or similar to the Pats. I said their offensive personnel (with the QB's removed) are as good as or better than the Pats offensive personnel.

And in the bolded, that's just some hater logic. So if Edelman gets hurt, and Brady does worse, that would reflect well on Brady? Because you're saying if Edelman gets hurt, and Brady keeps doing well it's a knock on Brady (because you're taking credit away from him, and giving it to his system)

The personal is better talent wise but Pats system is better overall and they have the stats to prove it.

I'm not being a hater at all. You have these players who step in and and do good . That points to the coaching system .

You even have a dumb ass pats fan that making my point with it being the system when they lose players.

BB is the mastermind behind all of this and he has a winning record with out brady

He's not making your point. You're changing your point. Now it's Brady has a better coach/system. Your original point was he has a better team. That's not the same thing.

Yes, he did. You're the one that brought up the offenses comparison I basically said the better team. So when you bought up the offensive comparison that's when I alluded to the system and not the players.

So yes my point still stands that Brady throughout the last 15 years has had the better team. I never brought up the individual players because like I said earlier Pat's run a good system and that's a fact

The system aspect is an overrated cop out. BB wasn't winning before Tom. Tom hasn't played without BB. They're on their way to their 7th SB, and they've won 4...none without each other. Before Tom this was Bill's career.

- 5 seasons in CLE, and 4 of them were losing seasons. Overall record 37-45

- 1 season in NE with a 5-11 record (2000)...this was pre-Brady. Overall record 42-56

- The following year the Pats start 0-2 (Bill is 5-13 in NE and has an Overall record 42-58

- Brady becomes the starter in game 3 and the Pats go 14-3 to finish the season and win the SB.

- Brady goes on to go 207-61, winning 77% of his games

So my question is where was this irreplaceable "anyone can win" situation pre-Brady? When BB had 6 seasons as a coach, 5 of them were losing seasons, and he made the playoffs once, where was the system? When Bill has 64 losses and reached the playoffs once in just over 7 seasons without Brady, vs 61 losses, and reaching the playoffs 15 times in 16 seasons WITH Brady, can you back up the system claim?

You and your strawman arguments smh....Doesn't BB have a winning record while at NE without brady 13-6?? What other proof do you need? Why do you feel the need to have me answer all those question when you and I have both witness NE lose players and they still win. What does that tell you? How is that not the best situation when people on your team go down and you still win? It's coaching, you don't have to have big names to win and NE has proved that time and time again.

You keep coming at me but you still haven't refuted my claim that Brady has had the best situation in football the past 15 years. This all started when people try to downplay Dak and his situation with the cowboys and what to give the "yea but" he has talent on his team and a offense line etc. But when you bring up brady situation it's just because brady great smh.

What straw man argument? You said it's the system making Brady great, and you can just plug anyone in on that team. I showed you what BB (the creater of the system), has done without Brady. I see you didn't read my post. How can BB have 6 losses without Brady, when he was 5-13 in NE before Brady took over? I gave you a breakdown of his career. He may be about 19-18 in NE without Brady, but that's a long way from some unstoppable offensive system. And that still gives him a losing record as a head coach without Brady.

I did refute your claim. I gave you teams with offenses as good as or better than what Brady has around him. You didn't prove your claim about the system. You say they do good regardless of player injuries, but won't give Brady credit for dominating despite people dropping around him.

Prove your system is greater than Brady claim. BB's losing record without Brady isn't going to do it. Just saying Brady does good when people get hurt doesn't rule out the possibility that Brady is just good enough to dominate with less talented people.