Iraqi troops suffer mass slaughter one mile from Baghdad: the general ISIS Chat thread

[janklow]

Assad, Iran, and Russia among others have made clear America's help isn't welcome.

you like how kingblaze bitches non-stop about the US being involved in other countries and then cosigns Iran/Russia messing around in other countries?

also like how Russia's apparently never been responsible for an atrocity anywhere. oh, right, if the US didn't do it, it doesn't count for some reason.

 

[kingblaze84]

Haha I love when you say I'm cherry picking the highest estimates. I've already said why I believe those estimates-

...how does this mean you're not cherry-picking.

you're not providing evidence other estimates are wrong. you're not even supporting the ones you cherry-picking. but you ARE mysteriously relying on whatever's most convenient for your claims.

further note: NGOs have backed up numbers on, oh, say, Syrians killed by Assad, and you've steadfastly refused to accept those numbers. so it's really not NGOs, but "groups that say whatever you want," right?

Looking back at Vietnam and America's other atrocity filled wars, what reason do I have but to not believe the higher numbers? It is what it is.

because "America did something else bad something" is not actual support. it's you dodging the issue with your usual bullshit.

Three NGOs back up the million plus dead account for America and its extremely evil actions in Iraq, if you don't agree with those numbers, fine. I do agree with those numbers and I already said why. Either way, America remains one of the most hated nations in the region, geee, I wonder why. I have seen an NGO report which showed that Assad may have killed 200K civilians, which is horrible of course, but that's popcorn compared to American wars.

America's history is full of MANY times in which American idiots exterminated many, many civilians on purpose. Combined with that, AND the fact that THREE NGOs back up the grisly numbers for America, yes, I firmly believe the higher estimates. I know that bothers you. My answer is too fucking bad. Much of the world agrees with the numbers and America has a TON of enemies worldwide for a reason. It's actually kind of funny seeing America bankrupt itself like this, because that's exactly what Osama Bin Laden wanted.

 

[kingblaze84]

Assad, Iran, and Russia among others have made clear America's help isn't welcome.

you like how kingblaze bitches non-stop about the US being involved in other countries and then cosigns Iran/Russia messing around in other countries?

also like how Russia's apparently never been responsible for an atrocity anywhere. oh, right, if the US didn't do it, it doesn't count for some reason.

I'm going to dumb this down for you.......

America is close to 20 trillion in debt. It has failed miserably trying to end terror. America supports evil policies in the region, such as Israeli apartheid and participating in Saudi Arabia's terror against the Yemeni people. That increases recruits for ISIS and others. America also has been in a losing war in Afghanistan for 16 years and counting, and America never won the war in Iraq, it's still an ongoing thing after 13 disastrous years.

Time to let someone else handle this mess. Russia has committed atrocities too, as several Kurdish groups and others have done. But America invaded Iraq and opened up the gates of hell first, and funded Al-Qaeda and its allies in Syria, creating even more issues for America and its bankrupt allies, and much of the world too. I'd rather America sit this one out and mind its own business, as American dum dum idiots in federal government only make things worse.

If you think Trump can help improve this situation, I got some bags of crack to sell you.

 

[janklow]

Three NGOs back up the million plus dead account for America and its extremely evil actions in Iraq, if you don't agree with those numbers, fine.

i am going to predict without even knowing what three NGOs you're referring to that:

-this doesn't change the theory that you're cherry-picking the highest possible estimates solely because they're the highest possible estimates, and not because those NGOs have better methodology in any way;

-they likely do a larger "resulting from the war ever having happened" claim, which mysteriously removes the agency of anyone who's not an American.

I do agree with those numbers and I already said why. Either way, America remains one of the most hated nations in the region, geee, I wonder why. I have seen an NGO report which showed that Assad may have killed 200K civilians, which is horrible of course, but-

bold is what matters. you cannot allow yourself to say one motherfucking word of criticism of Assad without IMMEDIATELY bitching about America. and that is, yet again, my point.

Much of the world agrees with the numbers-

worldwide opinion polling will also cosign a range of conspiracy theories that are literally untrue. so what do i care about "much of the world agrees with" if we're supposedly discussing FACTS?

 

[janklow]

Time to let someone else handle this mess. Russia has committed atrocities too, as several Kurdish groups and others have done. But America invaded Iraq and opened up the gates of hell first, and funded Al-Qaeda and its allies in Syria, creating even more issues for America and its bankrupt allies, and much of the world too.

i'm going to dumb this down for you.

the country that invaded Afghanistan, committed atrocities there, and kicked off this modern phase of jihadism? Russia, unless you insist on me saying "well, it was the USSR then." remember that?

the country that attacked Muslims in Central Asia, Muslims who were typically moderate Islamists, committed atrocities there (if not still technically doing so) and spawned jihadism there? Russia.

i mean, since we're playing this game of "it doesn't matter what you do now, it only matters if i can blame a country for it based on something earlier," right?

and here's the other thing: i'm not arguing that the US hasn't made mistakes, fueled this, blah blah blah. you, however, are arguing over and over that ONLY the US has made mistakes that matter and ONLY the US can't be involved going forward, repeatedly contradicting rules you lay out for international relations (such as when you complain that countries shouldn't meddle in other countries).

but keep smoking that crack you have ready to go if you think you're not being a massive hypocrite about what atrocities and mistakes matter.

 

[kingblaze84]

Time to let someone else handle this mess. Russia has committed atrocities too, as several Kurdish groups and others have done. But America invaded Iraq and opened up the gates of hell first, and funded Al-Qaeda and its allies in Syria, creating even more issues for America and its bankrupt allies, and much of the world too.

i'm going to dumb this down for you.

the country that invaded Afghanistan, committed atrocities there, and kicked off this modern phase of jihadism? Russia, unless you insist on me saying "well, it was the USSR then." remember that?

the country that attacked Muslims in Central Asia, Muslims who were typically moderate Islamists, committed atrocities there (if not still technically doing so) and spawned jihadism there? Russia.

i mean, since we're playing this game of "it doesn't matter what you do now, it only matters if i can blame a country for it based on something earlier," right?

and here's the other thing: i'm not arguing that the US hasn't made mistakes, fueled this, blah blah blah. you, however, are arguing over and over that ONLY the US has made mistakes that matter and ONLY the US can't be involved going forward, repeatedly contradicting rules you lay out for international relations (such as when you complain that countries shouldn't meddle in other countries).

but keep smoking that crack you have ready to go if you think you're not being a massive hypocrite about what atrocities and mistakes matter.

I never said only the USA has made mistakes, as I've said before. The USA can go even deeper in debt if it wants to be involved militarily in this, that's less money for American healthcare and federal and indirectly state budgets. I'm laughing as America continues to fulfill Osama Bin Laden's dreams of America bankrupting itself in unwinnable wars, wars I guarantee will get worse in the future.

BTW, Russia's power continues to grow in the region, and Syria's Assad run government is not going anywhere, neither are his allies. America can barely do much for Puerto Rico and many of its bankrupt or near bankrupt states and cities, America is better off taking care of the massive problems here at home.

 

[kingblaze84]

This is PROBABLY bullshit, but ISIS has claimed responsibility for the absolutely massive shooting in Vegas this week, 59 dead, 527 injured at least. The worst mass murder in modern American history.

The ONLY reason I'm even mentioning the shooting in this thread is because the shooter, Stephen Baddock, allegedly wired 100K dollars to the Phillipines, a nation that has MANY ISIS sympathizers and followers. The killer so far is not known to be political or religious, but why did he wire so much money to the Phillipines, according to several news sources?? Who did he know there??

Something very weird is going on about this shooting, but time will tell. Again, this is PROBABLY BS, but this shooting doesn't seem to have been done alone.....we will see.

 

[kingblaze84]

Some small updates on this war that has devastated many people and nations across the globe.....

The Kurds voted for independence the other day in a referendum held in Iraq, but Iraq, Turkey, and Iran have made clear they will not accept an independent Kurdistan. They have even threatened violence against the Kurds if they "turn into a second Israel". Even the USA is against Kurds gaining independence, so it seems they will not have the independence they hoped for in Iraq.

Also, Russia is claiming the USA is protecting ISIS elements in Syria, as many of the ISIS attacks in Syria seem to be coming from the area surrounding America's illegal base in Syria, according to Syria's govt and Russian special forces. Many Russian soldiers have been beheaded and shot in Syria lately, and the same goes for many Syrian soldiers as well, the videos on bestgore.com and another website are pretty bad.

Back to the Vegas shooting, police are saying now that he did not act alone, but the shooter's brother has also said Paddock was not a sympathizer or supporter to ISIS. Still an early investigation though.
http://www.news.com.au/world/north-...t/news-story/e7d25905a726178465e9c5941e46faa9
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/04/politics/syria-russia-us-assad-at-tanf/index.html

Las Vegas police said they don’t believe Paddock acted alone in orchestrating America’s deadliest mass shooting.

Sheriff Joseph Lombardo of Clark County is leading the investigation into Sunday’s attack and said the sheer volume of weapons, careful planning and discovery of explosives pointed to the fact that “he had to have some help”.

 

[janklow]

BTW, Russia's power continues to grow in the region, and Syria's Assad run government is not going anywhere, neither are his allies. America can barely do much for Puerto Rico and many of its bankrupt or near bankrupt states and cities, America is better off taking care of the massive problems here at home.

so the thing is, federalism is a thing in the US. frankly, there's a serious debate about whether or not your tax dollars in state X should bail out a city in Illinois or California that has debt problems when you can't affect their policies.

PR is being handled poorly because Trump is a fucking moron and half the damn country doesn't know it's in fucking America.

Russia's always going to have pull with dudes like Assad because they financially (and physically) back dudes like Assad. so it's less their power growing and more them going all out to keep their word. but Assad's obviously not getting bounced at this point.

 

[janklow]

The ONLY reason I'm even mentioning the shooting in this thread is because the shooter, Stephen Baddock, allegedly wired 100K dollars to the Phillipines, a nation that has MANY ISIS sympathizers and followers. The killer so far is not known to be political or religious, but why did he wire so much money to the Phillipines, according to several news sources?? Who did he know there??

it's bullshit. they claimed the bodies and didn't claim the IS sympathizer in Canada.

dude's girlfriend is from the Philippines and the notion that he sent her out of the country and sent money to get her set up makes sense to me (so far, if a caveat is needed).

 

[kingblaze84]

BTW, Russia's power continues to grow in the region, and Syria's Assad run government is not going anywhere, neither are his allies. America can barely do much for Puerto Rico and many of its bankrupt or near bankrupt states and cities, America is better off taking care of the massive problems here at home.

so the thing is, federalism is a thing in the US. frankly, there's a serious debate about whether or not your tax dollars in state X should bail out a city in Illinois or California that has debt problems when you can't affect their policies.

PR is being handled poorly because Trump is a fucking moron and half the damn country doesn't know it's in fucking America.

Russia's always going to have pull with dudes like Assad because they financially (and physically) back dudes like Assad. so it's less their power growing and more them going all out to keep their word. but Assad's obviously not getting bounced at this point.

Trump and many if not most Americans are ignorant about world affairs, so I'm fairly confident America is gonna mess things up further down the road. Financially especially, 600 billion a year in defense spending is ridiculous.....With more refugees now then at any time since WW2, I'm not optimistic about American military plans, since they consist of little more then blowing up apartments and houses and damn a hospital or mosque if it's in the way.

Yes Russians have done this but America has been doing this for way too long, the results are not impressive. America is still very hated in the region and that hatred seems to be spreading somewhat in Africa, 4 American troops killed in Niger, possibly by ISIS sympathizers or followers last week. This quicksand war doesn't seem to be doing much to make America liked by the Muslim world.

These are all part of the reasons the world community has resigned itself to letting Assad do almost anything he wants now. It's not like others have acted much better, if you truly think about it.

 

[kingblaze84]

The ONLY reason I'm even mentioning the shooting in this thread is because the shooter, Stephen Baddock, allegedly wired 100K dollars to the Phillipines, a nation that has MANY ISIS sympathizers and followers. The killer so far is not known to be political or religious, but why did he wire so much money to the Phillipines, according to several news sources?? Who did he know there??

it's bullshit. they claimed the bodies and didn't claim the IS sympathizer in Canada.

dude's girlfriend is from the Philippines and the notion that he sent her out of the country and sent money to get her set up makes sense to me (so far, if a caveat is needed).

Paddock's girlfriend was Filipino true, and it seems the money was sent to help his girlfriend buy a house or something. But I wouldn't COMPLETELY rule out ISIS yet, he had 50 pounds of explosives and police admit he didn't act alone.

So IDK, while ISIS at times has exaggerated, they usually are accurate about the claims they put out, according to many reporters. Street cred is important to them, but of course, maybe they just want a victory. I'm 50/50 on ISIS being involved in this, but I do agree it LIKELY is BS. I've been surprised before though.

 

[janklow]

Trump and many if not most Americans are ignorant about world affairs-

note though that PR is actually in America, so i'm talking about a slightly different level of incompetence at work here.

Yes Russians have done this but-

no but! we're talking about Syria being a longstanding client of Russia right here.

These are all part of the reasons the world community has resigned itself to letting Assad do almost anything he wants now. It's not like others have acted much better, if you truly think about it.

actually, yes, almost EVERYONE acts better than Assad.

don't mistake an incredibly difficult mess in Syria for proof of equivalence with all other nations

 

[janklow]

Paddock's girlfriend was Filipino true, and it seems the money was sent to help his girlfriend buy a house or something. But I wouldn't COMPLETELY rule out ISIS yet, he had 50 pounds of explosives and police admit he didn't act alone.

50 pounds of explosives means... exactly what?

you can have explosives and even be a prospective terrorist ... and have no connection to ISIS.

you can even have explosives and not be a terrorist at all.

and when did the police say he didn't act alone?

So IDK, while ISIS at times has exaggerated, they usually are accurate about the claims they put out, according to many reporters. Street cred is important to them, but of course, maybe they just want a victory. I'm 50/50 on ISIS being involved in this, but I do agree it LIKELY is BS. I've been surprised before though.

street cred is important to them, so let's not act like they're reporting with 100% accuracy here. ISIS might claim him, but that means... what, exactly?

find me a video where dude is pledging allegiance to the caliphate and we'll talk.

 

[kingblaze84]

Paddock's girlfriend was Filipino true, and it seems the money was sent to help his girlfriend buy a house or something. But I wouldn't COMPLETELY rule out ISIS yet, he had 50 pounds of explosives and police admit he didn't act alone.

50 pounds of explosives means... exactly what?

you can have explosives and even be a prospective terrorist ... and have no connection to ISIS.

you can even have explosives and not be a terrorist at all.

and when did the police say he didn't act alone?

So IDK, while ISIS at times has exaggerated, they usually are accurate about the claims they put out, according to many reporters. Street cred is important to them, but of course, maybe they just want a victory. I'm 50/50 on ISIS being involved in this, but I do agree it LIKELY is BS. I've been surprised before though.

street cred is important to them, so let's not act like they're reporting with 100% accuracy here. ISIS might claim him, but that means... what, exactly?

find me a video where dude is pledging allegiance to the caliphate and we'll talk.

I get all that but the sheriff said publicly that Paddock didn't act alone, I posted a link earlier. The explosives are kind of suspicious for a simple accountant turned madman, yes maybe he did act alone, but all those weapons, like 20 alone were found in the hotel if I'm not mistaken. IDK.....

I don't have proof and no one really does (publicly) yet, but I'm sticking to my 50/50 odds on this. The White House held secret for a long time that the Niger attack that killed 4 American soldiers was ISIS related. So I wonder if the govt is hiding something in this case again. I won't act like Alex Jones and some others though, who seem to be almost 100% convinced ISIS did the Vegas attack, I agree the claim is likely not true. But my suspicions remain.

 

[kingblaze84]

CNN confirms the Niger attack was ISIS related.....over 50 ISIS followers attacked the Americans there and shot at them for half an hour. As I suspected, ISIS seems to be gaining more followers in Africa for some reason.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/18/politics/us-niger-investigation-what-we-know/index.html

 

[MrSoutCity]

Where is the Kurdish brother that post in here? Bruh your people have no strategy what so ever. How you going to lose 20 year of progress in one week? Before the referendum I was telling coworker their timing makes no sense. Plus they were actively shooting themselves in the leg with Israel being their only supporter.

 

[kingblaze84]

Yeah, once I heard the Kurds were getting a ton of support from Israel and really Israel alone, I knew the Kurds were gonna have a public relations problem.

I'm still sympathetic to their cause, but the many homes that were destroyed by Kurdish forces didn't do much to help Kurdish reputation either. Even I'm surprised at how much Trump has yielded to Iran, Iraq and Turkey among others on this issue, but then again Iran and Turkey are two nations America doesn't really want more problems with now.

 

[kingblaze84]

So another ISIS follower went on a rampage in NYC today, not too far from where I work. 8 dead by being run over by a large moving truck, 11 others injured, several children included.

ISIS has lost Raqqa and Mosul, but it's pretty crazy how resilient their followers are in still carrying out their wishes. From Africa to the Phillipines to the United States, it's stunning how people are STILL flocking to their message, ISIS has maybe 3% of the land that it had back in 2016, yet it seems they still have a lot of people worldwide who still want to be a part of them. If Trump thinks bombing apartments and houses will bring peace, as it supports the terrorist state of Israel at the same time, then Trump's travel bans won't make any difference, since the suspect Sayfullo Saipov has been here since 2010. Homegrown radicalism seems to be growing, according to British spy agencies and the FBI. I wonder why.

 

[janklow]

I get all that but the sheriff said publicly that Paddock didn't act alone, I posted a link earlier. The explosives are kind of suspicious for a simple accountant turned madman, yes maybe he did act alone, but all those weapons, like 20 alone were found in the hotel if I'm not mistaken. IDK.....

again, depends on what the explosives were for. i mean, it wouldn't be crazy for him to have sought them for part of the event (related note: Columbine was supposed to be a bombing, not a mass shooting) but have ultimately not used them. doesn't mean TERROR CONNECTION.

and for some reason these nutjobs love to tote all their guns with them whether they use them or not. *shrugs*

I don't have proof and no one really does (publicly) yet, but I'm sticking to my 50/50 odds on this. The White House held secret for a long time that the Niger attack that killed 4 American soldiers was ISIS related. So I wonder if the govt is hiding something in this case again. I won't act like Alex Jones and some others though, who seem to be almost 100% convinced ISIS did the Vegas attack, I agree the claim is likely not true. But my suspicions remain.

this is actually a good comparison, though, because it's been reasonable well-discussed and the militant links are clear. not so in LV.