Iran’s Agony in Syria

[kingblaze84]

I say let Russia and Iran deal with the total mess in Syria, America has enough people around the world who want to blow us up. Blowing up Syrian civilians and creating even more popular support for ISIS is the LAST thing we need to do. There's a reason Obama is wise enough to leave ISIS alone for now, he knows taking them head on will be expensive and will create massive civilian casualties, something ISIS deep down wants because it will cause their recruitment and popularity to increase. You are underestimating how hated America is in the Middle East......we cannot get involved, unless they attack us directly of course.

Russia and iran won't really be dealing with shit, neither has to power needed to deal with this alone or combined Russia won't risk it's blood and iran is already losing in Syria. YOU STILL HAVE NOT come up with a full solution to this problem leaving it alone is not an answer waiting for someone else to fix a problem only you can fix is not answer.

I already have a solution to the problem with ISIS in Syria, LET RUSSIA, ASSAD, AND IRAN HANDLE IT. Yes Iran isn't doing very well fighting against ISIS but ISIS isn't spreading the way it used to either. Thanks to Russia and Iran, ISIS is CONTAINED. Notice ISIS hasn't spread any further into Syria or Iraq, they have their little caliphate yes but it's still a contained one. Iran and Russia, along with Bashar Assad, have done a decent job keeping ISIS from moving into other regions. Even Saudi Arabia has said they are moving troops to its borders to keep ISIS out. I say, good job Russia, Bashar Assad, and Iran for containing ISIS for us.

You should be happy ISIS is contained. ISIS has no shot of taking Baghdad and no shot of taking over Jordan or Saudi Arabia. Playing captain save a Muslim while bombing tons of Muslim civilians is NO WAY to DECREASE the threat of terrorism. And those moderate rebels you speak of? Many of them have joined ISIS HAHAHA

 

[zombie]

I say let Russia and Iran deal with the total mess in Syria, America has enough people around the world who want to blow us up. Blowing up Syrian civilians and creating even more popular support for ISIS is the LAST thing we need to do. There's a reason Obama is wise enough to leave ISIS alone for now, he knows taking them head on will be expensive and will create massive civilian casualties, something ISIS deep down wants because it will cause their recruitment and popularity to increase. You are underestimating how hated America is in the Middle East......we cannot get involved, unless they attack us directly of course.

Russia and iran won't really be dealing with shit, neither has to power needed to deal with this alone or combined Russia won't risk it's blood and iran is already losing in Syria. YOU STILL HAVE NOT come up with a full solution to this problem leaving it alone is not an answer waiting for someone else to fix a problem only you can fix is not answer.

I already have a solution to the problem with ISIS in Syria, LET RUSSIA, ASSAD, AND IRAN HANDLE IT. Yes Iran isn't doing very well fighting against ISIS but ISIS isn't spreading the way it used to either. Thanks to Russia and Iran, ISIS is CONTAINED. Notice ISIS hasn't spread any further into Syria or Iraq, they have their little caliphate yes but it's still a contained one. Iran and Russia, along with Bashar Assad, have done a decent job keeping ISIS from moving into other regions. Even Saudi Arabia has said they are moving troops to its borders to keep ISIS out. I say, good job Russia, Bashar Assad, and Iran for containing ISIS for us.

You should be happy ISIS is contained. ISIS has no shot of taking Baghdad and no shot of taking over Jordan or Saudi Arabia. Playing captain save a Muslim while bombing tons of Muslim civilians is NO WAY to DECREASE the threat of terrorism. And those moderate rebels you speak of? Many of them have joined ISIS HAHAHA

You can hide and be a pussy all you want, you can advocate for peace all you want but in 10 years from now when we have to go back to war I hope it's your children they force to fight, all this could have been avoided. Iran becoming more powerful and speading it's influence will be a disaster for us in a few years if we leave this alone.

 

[zombie]

@kingblaze84

In my opinion the united states is only hated by the religious extremist in those nation it is those people that are at the heart of the hate they flare up the young and undereducated. Syria is in a unique situation and I believe that we can sway the population to our side as this war becomes more intense and the suffering increases the average person will desire peace no matter who gives it. I don't want to take assad out I want the rebels to take him out then we come in and take out the rebels who base their rebellion on religious principles, work with those who don't and the other religious minorities, bringing peace. Also it is a lie that America has been stealing resources in the middle east, it's just another anti-American myth.

like I said in other threads the goal would be if we cannot totally destroy isis everywhere then we must contain isis in one nation until they can be destroyed. As for the debt fears America HAS THE MONEY WE basically can manipulate the world's money as we see fit. You always underestimate the real power America has. THE wounded and dead are collateral damage. I know how that sounds but it is the truth, if you think too much about the people who will die nothing would be done. You are too emotional about the issue of the number of dead.

ww3 is how we should have approced the problem of militant islam in the first place 9/11 was the perfect excuse to deal with this problem but we wasted that chance. Now we have to deal with it piece by piece which will be more expensive. and if we don't do something now 10-15 years from now things will only get worse reaching a point that we can no longer ignore it.

America is not just hated by religious extremists, it's a widespread hatred all over the region. Some nations there hate us less then others, but the hatred is beyond religious extremists, opinion polls from Americans, Europeans, and Arabs have proven that. I can show up many links to that but you're not a fan of polls because they tend to disagree with your unpopular worldviews.

As far as containing ISIS in one nation, I"ve already explained that ISIS controls many parts of Syria AND Iraq AND its borders LOL containing ISIS to one spot will be impossible. It's like containing racists to one nation, ISIS has an ideology that is widespread, hence its popular support in many parts of Syria and Iraq.

You are completely right in that I don't have faith in America's military power, America's military has failed over and over again in its goals for the Middle East. The war on terror continues after 12 years HAHAHAHAHA, so umm yeah I have ZERO faith in American military power doing shit in the Middle East. A military can't do shit if it doesn't have the moral authority needed to have the respect of a population, and the population of the Middle East for the most part has zero respect for American military. Once we left Iraq, it became a disaster. Once we leave Afghanistan, it WILL become a disaster.

You admit you want World War 3 against the Islamists in the Middle East, I appreciate your honesty. It's something I support other nations doing if they want to do it. America has bled itself dry morally and financially doing constant bombings of Middle Eastern civilians all over the region, and ISIS is one of the results of that. What's the big deal about letting Russia and Iran handle it? Even the VP of Iraq said America shouldn't get involved against ISIS, he said himself "America getting involved will only build popular support for ISIS", I'll bring up a link soon

To begin with isis is not popular in Syria isis is made up of people from outside Syria 12 years is nothing we stayed in japan for much longer than that. Moral authority in war is largely just a con game it's mental warfare and nothing else. we leave these nations too soon we try to teach them democracy too soon.

and which part of Russia won't really do shit can you not understand, iran gaining more power in the middle east only creates more tension between the sunni shia and Israel.

 

[kingblaze84]

I say let Russia and Iran deal with the total mess in Syria, America has enough people around the world who want to blow us up. Blowing up Syrian civilians and creating even more popular support for ISIS is the LAST thing we need to do. There's a reason Obama is wise enough to leave ISIS alone for now, he knows taking them head on will be expensive and will create massive civilian casualties, something ISIS deep down wants because it will cause their recruitment and popularity to increase. You are underestimating how hated America is in the Middle East......we cannot get involved, unless they attack us directly of course.

Russia and iran won't really be dealing with shit, neither has to power needed to deal with this alone or combined Russia won't risk it's blood and iran is already losing in Syria. YOU STILL HAVE NOT come up with a full solution to this problem leaving it alone is not an answer waiting for someone else to fix a problem only you can fix is not answer.

I already have a solution to the problem with ISIS in Syria, LET RUSSIA, ASSAD, AND IRAN HANDLE IT. Yes Iran isn't doing very well fighting against ISIS but ISIS isn't spreading the way it used to either. Thanks to Russia and Iran, ISIS is CONTAINED. Notice ISIS hasn't spread any further into Syria or Iraq, they have their little caliphate yes but it's still a contained one. Iran and Russia, along with Bashar Assad, have done a decent job keeping ISIS from moving into other regions. Even Saudi Arabia has said they are moving troops to its borders to keep ISIS out. I say, good job Russia, Bashar Assad, and Iran for containing ISIS for us.

You should be happy ISIS is contained. ISIS has no shot of taking Baghdad and no shot of taking over Jordan or Saudi Arabia. Playing captain save a Muslim while bombing tons of Muslim civilians is NO WAY to DECREASE the threat of terrorism. And those moderate rebels you speak of? Many of them have joined ISIS HAHAHA

You can hide and be a pussy all you want, you can advocate for peace all you want but in 10 years from now when we have to go back to war I hope it's your children they force to fight, all this could have been avoided. Iran becoming more powerful and speading it's influence will be a disaster for us in a few years if we leave this alone.

It's not about being a pussy, it's about being SMART. You underestimate how hated America is in the region and that us giving aid to the "moderate" rebels will only backfire because AGAIN, Assad is FIGHTING the Islamists and terrorists you CLAIM you hate. ASSAD IS DOING WHAT YOU WANT TO BE DONE. So is Russia and Iran. YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY RUSSIA, IRAN, and ASSAD ARE DOING THE HARD WORK FOR US.

As far as Iran becoming more powerful and influential in the region, NEWSFLASH: THIS IS EXACTLY what people predicted would happen once we took Saddam out. You fail to realize that sometimes in life, there really aren't any good choices. Sometimes the BEST choice out of all bad choices is to let others do the work.

Oh and I have ANOTHER newsflash for you: ISIS was partially created by American, Turkish, and Jordanian govt officials who provided AID and WEAPONS to "moderate rebels" who are fighting Assad. Now look at how brilliant that idea was.....ISIS IS TRAINED TO USE AMERICAN WEAPONS and they have lots of them LOL, and you want to aid those "moderate" rebels more? You want MORE rebels having American made weapons and funds? You wanna create more ISIS like groups? Caliph of ISIS, is that you?

 

[kingblaze84]

@Zombie and anyone FOOLISH enough to think aiding those moderate rebels in Syria is a good idea....
http://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-m...litical-arsonists-seek-to-burn-region/5387475

ISIS “Made in USA”. Iraq “Geopolitical Arsonists” Seek to Burn Region



ISIS: Made in USA

The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is a creation of the United States and its Persian Gulf allies, namely Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and recently added to the list, Kuwait. The Daily Beast in an article titled, “America’s Allies Are Funding ISIS,” states:

The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), now threatening Baghdad, was funded for years by wealthy donors in Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, three U.S. allies that have dual agendas in the war on terror.

The 9 page, extensive report has since been vindicated many times over with revelations of US, NATO, and Persian Gulf complicity in raising armies of extremists within Libya and along Syria’s borders. ISIS itself, which is claimed to occupy a region stretching from northeastern Syria and across northern and western Iraq, has operated all along Turkey’s border with Syria, “coincidentally” where the US CIA has conducted years of “monitoring” and arming of “moderate” groups.

In fact, the US admits it has armed, funded, and equipped “moderates” to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. In a March 2013 Telegraph article titled, “US and Europe in ‘major airlift of arms to Syrian rebels through Zagreb’,” it was reported that a single program included 3,000 tons of weapons sent in 75 planeloads paid for by Saudi Arabia at the bidding of the United States. The New York Times in its article, “Arms Airlift to Syria Rebels Expands, With C.I.A. Aid,” admits that the CIA assisted Arab governments and Turkey with military aid to terrorists fighting in Syria constituting hundreds of airlifts landing in both Jordan and Turkey.

--So Zombie.....you wanna create another ISIS group? Then go right on ahead, and give those terrorists I mean moderate rebels millions of dollars in aid and guns. And let's see those same rebel groups turn against America, as usual. Your ideas of arming the "moderate rebels" will only benefit ISIS, as ISIS is a clever enemy....they have people on the ground who speak English and can pretend to not be extremists. And Caliph Ibrahim will enjoy even more weapons and money, thanks to Americans who don't realize how hated they are in the region and that Assad is really not the bad guy here.

 

[zombie]

I say let Russia and Iran deal with the total mess in Syria, America has enough people around the world who want to blow us up. Blowing up Syrian civilians and creating even more popular support for ISIS is the LAST thing we need to do. There's a reason Obama is wise enough to leave ISIS alone for now, he knows taking them head on will be expensive and will create massive civilian casualties, something ISIS deep down wants because it will cause their recruitment and popularity to increase. You are underestimating how hated America is in the Middle East......we cannot get involved, unless they attack us directly of course.

Russia and iran won't really be dealing with shit, neither has to power needed to deal with this alone or combined Russia won't risk it's blood and iran is already losing in Syria. YOU STILL HAVE NOT come up with a full solution to this problem leaving it alone is not an answer waiting for someone else to fix a problem only you can fix is not answer.

I already have a solution to the problem with ISIS in Syria, LET RUSSIA, ASSAD, AND IRAN HANDLE IT. Yes Iran isn't doing very well fighting against ISIS but ISIS isn't spreading the way it used to either. Thanks to Russia and Iran, ISIS is CONTAINED. Notice ISIS hasn't spread any further into Syria or Iraq, they have their little caliphate yes but it's still a contained one. Iran and Russia, along with Bashar Assad, have done a decent job keeping ISIS from moving into other regions. Even Saudi Arabia has said they are moving troops to its borders to keep ISIS out. I say, good job Russia, Bashar Assad, and Iran for containing ISIS for us.

You should be happy ISIS is contained. ISIS has no shot of taking Baghdad and no shot of taking over Jordan or Saudi Arabia. Playing captain save a Muslim while bombing tons of Muslim civilians is NO WAY to DECREASE the threat of terrorism. And those moderate rebels you speak of? Many of them have joined ISIS HAHAHA

You can hide and be a pussy all you want, you can advocate for peace all you want but in 10 years from now when we have to go back to war I hope it's your children they force to fight, all this could have been avoided. Iran becoming more powerful and speading it's influence will be a disaster for us in a few years if we leave this alone.

It's not about being a pussy, it's about being SMART. You underestimate how hated America is in the region and that us giving aid to the "moderate" rebels will only backfire because AGAIN, Assad is FIGHTING the Islamists and terrorists you CLAIM you hate. ASSAD IS DOING WHAT YOU WANT TO BE DONE. So is Russia and Iran. YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY RUSSIA, IRAN, and ASSAD ARE DOING THE HARD WORK FOR US.

As far as Iran becoming more powerful and influential in the region, NEWSFLASH: THIS IS EXACTLY what people predicted would happen once we took Saddam out. You fail to realize that sometimes in life, there really aren't any good choices. Sometimes the BEST choice out of all bad choices is to let others do the work.

Oh and I have ANOTHER newsflash for you: ISIS was partially created by American, Turkish, and Jordanian govt officials who provided AID and WEAPONS to "moderate rebels" who are fighting Assad. Now look at how brilliant that idea was.....ISIS IS TRAINED TO USE AMERICAN WEAPONS and they have lots of them LOL, and you want to aid those "moderate" rebels more? You want MORE rebels having American made weapons and funds? You wanna create more ISIS like groups? Caliph of ISIS, is that you?

How smart is it to allow other nations who we don't have the best relationship with to become more powerful?? sounds fucking stupid to me. like I said no more compromise with anyone, only the religious minorities who are in no position to fight us because they lack the numbers should we even be really supporting. I've been trying to tell you that for a while now but your anti-Americanism is rotting your logical thinking abilities.

WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE pulled out of Iraq

 

[zombie]

@Zombie and anyone FOOLISH enough to think aiding those moderate rebels in Syria is a good idea....
http://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-m...litical-arsonists-seek-to-burn-region/5387475

ISIS “Made in USA”. Iraq “Geopolitical Arsonists” Seek to Burn Region



ISIS: Made in USA

The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is a creation of the United States and its Persian Gulf allies, namely Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and recently added to the list, Kuwait. The Daily Beast in an article titled, “America’s Allies Are Funding ISIS,” states:

The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), now threatening Baghdad, was funded for years by wealthy donors in Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, three U.S. allies that have dual agendas in the war on terror.

The 9 page, extensive report has since been vindicated many times over with revelations of US, NATO, and Persian Gulf complicity in raising armies of extremists within Libya and along Syria’s borders. ISIS itself, which is claimed to occupy a region stretching from northeastern Syria and across northern and western Iraq, has operated all along Turkey’s border with Syria, “coincidentally” where the US CIA has conducted years of “monitoring” and arming of “moderate” groups.

In fact, the US admits it has armed, funded, and equipped “moderates” to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. In a March 2013 Telegraph article titled, “US and Europe in ‘major airlift of arms to Syrian rebels through Zagreb’,” it was reported that a single program included 3,000 tons of weapons sent in 75 planeloads paid for by Saudi Arabia at the bidding of the United States. The New York Times in its article, “Arms Airlift to Syria Rebels Expands, With C.I.A. Aid,” admits that the CIA assisted Arab governments and Turkey with military aid to terrorists fighting in Syria constituting hundreds of airlifts landing in both Jordan and Turkey.

--So Zombie.....you wanna create another ISIS group? Then go right on ahead, and give those terrorists I mean moderate rebels millions of dollars in aid and guns. And let's see those same rebel groups turn against America, as usual. HORRIBLE idea.

When did I say we should aide moderate muslims. you must not be reading correctly I said we should help the non-religious rebels and religious minorities. I never mentioned anything about moderate muslims

 

[CracceR]

@kingblaze84

In my opinion the united states is only hated by the religious extremist in those nation it is those people that are at the heart of the hate they flare up the young and undereducated. Syria is in a unique situation and I believe that we can sway the population to our side as this war becomes more intense and the suffering increases the average person will desire peace no matter who gives it. I don't want to take assad out I want the rebels to take him out then we come in and take out the rebels who base their rebellion on religious principles, work with those who don't and the other religious minorities, bringing peace. Also it is a lie that America has been stealing resources in the middle east, it's just another anti-American myth.

like I said in other threads the goal would be if we cannot totally destroy isis everywhere then we must contain isis in one nation until they can be destroyed. As for the debt fears America HAS THE MONEY WE basically can manipulate the world's money as we see fit. You always underestimate the real power America has. THE wounded and dead are collateral damage. I know how that sounds but it is the truth, if you think too much about the people who will die nothing would be done. You are too emotional about the issue of the number of dead.

ww3 is how we should have approced the problem of militant islam in the first place 9/11 was the perfect excuse to deal with this problem but we wasted that chance. Now we have to deal with it piece by piece which will be more expensive. and if we don't do something now 10-15 years from now things will only get worse reaching a point that we can no longer ignore it.

nope, with all these drones and innocent killed its not only the religious extremist who hate the united states.

u live in lala land if you believe america cares about any of this shit all they care about is oil money new territory and supremacy

 

[zombie]

@kingblaze84

In my opinion the united states is only hated by the religious extremist in those nation it is those people that are at the heart of the hate they flare up the young and undereducated. Syria is in a unique situation and I believe that we can sway the population to our side as this war becomes more intense and the suffering increases the average person will desire peace no matter who gives it. I don't want to take assad out I want the rebels to take him out then we come in and take out the rebels who base their rebellion on religious principles, work with those who don't and the other religious minorities, bringing peace. Also it is a lie that America has been stealing resources in the middle east, it's just another anti-American myth.

like I said in other threads the goal would be if we cannot totally destroy isis everywhere then we must contain isis in one nation until they can be destroyed. As for the debt fears America HAS THE MONEY WE basically can manipulate the world's money as we see fit. You always underestimate the real power America has. THE wounded and dead are collateral damage. I know how that sounds but it is the truth, if you think too much about the people who will die nothing would be done. You are too emotional about the issue of the number of dead.

ww3 is how we should have approced the problem of militant islam in the first place 9/11 was the perfect excuse to deal with this problem but we wasted that chance. Now we have to deal with it piece by piece which will be more expensive. and if we don't do something now 10-15 years from now things will only get worse reaching a point that we can no longer ignore it.

nope, with all these drones and innocent killed its not only the religious extremist who hate the united states.

u live in lala land if you believe america cares about any of this shit all they care about is oil money new territory and supremacy

well to keep that supremacy we have to do what we have to do. Has America used any drones in Syria, in iran, in Saudi Arabia, in jordan?? SO WHY SHOULD the average Syrian hate us if not for the religious motivation.

 

[kingblaze84]

I say let Russia and Iran deal with the total mess in Syria, America has enough people around the world who want to blow us up. Blowing up Syrian civilians and creating even more popular support for ISIS is the LAST thing we need to do. There's a reason Obama is wise enough to leave ISIS alone for now, he knows taking them head on will be expensive and will create massive civilian casualties, something ISIS deep down wants because it will cause their recruitment and popularity to increase. You are underestimating how hated America is in the Middle East......we cannot get involved, unless they attack us directly of course.

Russia and iran won't really be dealing with shit, neither has to power needed to deal with this alone or combined Russia won't risk it's blood and iran is already losing in Syria. YOU STILL HAVE NOT come up with a full solution to this problem leaving it alone is not an answer waiting for someone else to fix a problem only you can fix is not answer.

I already have a solution to the problem with ISIS in Syria, LET RUSSIA, ASSAD, AND IRAN HANDLE IT. Yes Iran isn't doing very well fighting against ISIS but ISIS isn't spreading the way it used to either. Thanks to Russia and Iran, ISIS is CONTAINED. Notice ISIS hasn't spread any further into Syria or Iraq, they have their little caliphate yes but it's still a contained one. Iran and Russia, along with Bashar Assad, have done a decent job keeping ISIS from moving into other regions. Even Saudi Arabia has said they are moving troops to its borders to keep ISIS out. I say, good job Russia, Bashar Assad, and Iran for containing ISIS for us.

You should be happy ISIS is contained. ISIS has no shot of taking Baghdad and no shot of taking over Jordan or Saudi Arabia. Playing captain save a Muslim while bombing tons of Muslim civilians is NO WAY to DECREASE the threat of terrorism. And those moderate rebels you speak of? Many of them have joined ISIS HAHAHA

You can hide and be a pussy all you want, you can advocate for peace all you want but in 10 years from now when we have to go back to war I hope it's your children they force to fight, all this could have been avoided. Iran becoming more powerful and speading it's influence will be a disaster for us in a few years if we leave this alone.

It's not about being a pussy, it's about being SMART. You underestimate how hated America is in the region and that us giving aid to the "moderate" rebels will only backfire because AGAIN, Assad is FIGHTING the Islamists and terrorists you CLAIM you hate. ASSAD IS DOING WHAT YOU WANT TO BE DONE. So is Russia and Iran. YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY RUSSIA, IRAN, and ASSAD ARE DOING THE HARD WORK FOR US.

As far as Iran becoming more powerful and influential in the region, NEWSFLASH: THIS IS EXACTLY what people predicted would happen once we took Saddam out. You fail to realize that sometimes in life, there really aren't any good choices. Sometimes the BEST choice out of all bad choices is to let others do the work.

Oh and I have ANOTHER newsflash for you: ISIS was partially created by American, Turkish, and Jordanian govt officials who provided AID and WEAPONS to "moderate rebels" who are fighting Assad. Now look at how brilliant that idea was.....ISIS IS TRAINED TO USE AMERICAN WEAPONS and they have lots of them LOL, and you want to aid those "moderate" rebels more? You want MORE rebels having American made weapons and funds? You wanna create more ISIS like groups? Caliph of ISIS, is that you?

How smart is it to allow other nations who we don't have the best relationship with to become more powerful?? sounds fucking stupid to me. like I said no more compromise with anyone, only the religious minorities who are in no position to fight us because they lack the numbers should we even be really supporting. I've been trying to tell you that for a while now but your anti-Americanism is rotting your logical thinking abilities.

WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE pulled out of Iraq

It's not about anti-Americanism, it's about REALITY. Watch VICE news and see for yourself how hated America is in the region. Supporting those "moderates" in Syria won't work, as even those rebels deep down hate America. Remember, ISIS fooled Americans and others like you into giving them weapons and aid in Turkey and Jordan.

I could care less if Iran becomes more powerful. America is simply reaping what's sowed, and sadly the consequences of that are here to stay. And remember, IRAN is doing what you want done, FIGHTING TERRORISTS. And Russia is doing the same, along with Assad. BE GRATEFUL.

 

[kingblaze84]

@Zombie and anyone FOOLISH enough to think aiding those moderate rebels in Syria is a good idea....
http://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-m...litical-arsonists-seek-to-burn-region/5387475

ISIS “Made in USA”. Iraq “Geopolitical Arsonists” Seek to Burn Region



ISIS: Made in USA

The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is a creation of the United States and its Persian Gulf allies, namely Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and recently added to the list, Kuwait. The Daily Beast in an article titled, “America’s Allies Are Funding ISIS,” states:

The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), now threatening Baghdad, was funded for years by wealthy donors in Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, three U.S. allies that have dual agendas in the war on terror.

The 9 page, extensive report has since been vindicated many times over with revelations of US, NATO, and Persian Gulf complicity in raising armies of extremists within Libya and along Syria’s borders. ISIS itself, which is claimed to occupy a region stretching from northeastern Syria and across northern and western Iraq, has operated all along Turkey’s border with Syria, “coincidentally” where the US CIA has conducted years of “monitoring” and arming of “moderate” groups.

In fact, the US admits it has armed, funded, and equipped “moderates” to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. In a March 2013 Telegraph article titled, “US and Europe in ‘major airlift of arms to Syrian rebels through Zagreb’,” it was reported that a single program included 3,000 tons of weapons sent in 75 planeloads paid for by Saudi Arabia at the bidding of the United States. The New York Times in its article, “Arms Airlift to Syria Rebels Expands, With C.I.A. Aid,” admits that the CIA assisted Arab governments and Turkey with military aid to terrorists fighting in Syria constituting hundreds of airlifts landing in both Jordan and Turkey.

--So Zombie.....you wanna create another ISIS group? Then go right on ahead, and give those terrorists I mean moderate rebels millions of dollars in aid and guns. And let's see those same rebel groups turn against America, as usual. HORRIBLE idea.

When did I say we should aide moderate muslims. you must not be reading correctly I said we should help the non-religious rebels and religious minorities. I never mentioned anything about moderate muslims

The non religious rebels in Syria? AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where the fuck are those rebels at? Religious minorities in Syria, like who, Christians??? NIGGA PLEASE!!!! This is SYRIA we're talking about, NOT IDAHO. Syria is a mostly Muslim Sunni nation, frankly it's a miracle a Shiite like Assad is the president of that nation. And you wanna arm the weak as fuck non religious rebels and religious minorities? HAHAHA what are you playing Age of Empires 3 or something? Live in reality homie, ain't no non-religious rebel group taking charge in Syria with religious minorities, once the population finds out those weak groups got aid from the Great Satan, it's a wrap for them. You continue to underestimate how hated America is there.

 

[zombie]

I say let Russia and Iran deal with the total mess in Syria, America has enough people around the world who want to blow us up. Blowing up Syrian civilians and creating even more popular support for ISIS is the LAST thing we need to do. There's a reason Obama is wise enough to leave ISIS alone for now, he knows taking them head on will be expensive and will create massive civilian casualties, something ISIS deep down wants because it will cause their recruitment and popularity to increase. You are underestimating how hated America is in the Middle East......we cannot get involved, unless they attack us directly of course.

Russia and iran won't really be dealing with shit, neither has to power needed to deal with this alone or combined Russia won't risk it's blood and iran is already losing in Syria. YOU STILL HAVE NOT come up with a full solution to this problem leaving it alone is not an answer waiting for someone else to fix a problem only you can fix is not answer.

I already have a solution to the problem with ISIS in Syria, LET RUSSIA, ASSAD, AND IRAN HANDLE IT. Yes Iran isn't doing very well fighting against ISIS but ISIS isn't spreading the way it used to either. Thanks to Russia and Iran, ISIS is CONTAINED. Notice ISIS hasn't spread any further into Syria or Iraq, they have their little caliphate yes but it's still a contained one. Iran and Russia, along with Bashar Assad, have done a decent job keeping ISIS from moving into other regions. Even Saudi Arabia has said they are moving troops to its borders to keep ISIS out. I say, good job Russia, Bashar Assad, and Iran for containing ISIS for us.

You should be happy ISIS is contained. ISIS has no shot of taking Baghdad and no shot of taking over Jordan or Saudi Arabia. Playing captain save a Muslim while bombing tons of Muslim civilians is NO WAY to DECREASE the threat of terrorism. And those moderate rebels you speak of? Many of them have joined ISIS HAHAHA

You can hide and be a pussy all you want, you can advocate for peace all you want but in 10 years from now when we have to go back to war I hope it's your children they force to fight, all this could have been avoided. Iran becoming more powerful and speading it's influence will be a disaster for us in a few years if we leave this alone.

It's not about being a pussy, it's about being SMART. You underestimate how hated America is in the region and that us giving aid to the "moderate" rebels will only backfire because AGAIN, Assad is FIGHTING the Islamists and terrorists you CLAIM you hate. ASSAD IS DOING WHAT YOU WANT TO BE DONE. So is Russia and Iran. YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY RUSSIA, IRAN, and ASSAD ARE DOING THE HARD WORK FOR US.

As far as Iran becoming more powerful and influential in the region, NEWSFLASH: THIS IS EXACTLY what people predicted would happen once we took Saddam out. You fail to realize that sometimes in life, there really aren't any good choices. Sometimes the BEST choice out of all bad choices is to let others do the work.

Oh and I have ANOTHER newsflash for you: ISIS was partially created by American, Turkish, and Jordanian govt officials who provided AID and WEAPONS to "moderate rebels" who are fighting Assad. Now look at how brilliant that idea was.....ISIS IS TRAINED TO USE AMERICAN WEAPONS and they have lots of them LOL, and you want to aid those "moderate" rebels more? You want MORE rebels having American made weapons and funds? You wanna create more ISIS like groups? Caliph of ISIS, is that you?

How smart is it to allow other nations who we don't have the best relationship with to become more powerful?? sounds fucking stupid to me. like I said no more compromise with anyone, only the religious minorities who are in no position to fight us because they lack the numbers should we even be really supporting. I've been trying to tell you that for a while now but your anti-Americanism is rotting your logical thinking abilities.

WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE pulled out of Iraq

It's not about anti-Americanism, it's about REALITY. Watch VICE news and see for yourself how hated America is in the region. Supporting those "moderates" in Syria won't work, as even those rebels deep down hate America. Remember, ISIS fooled Americans and others like you into giving them weapons and aid in Turkey and Jordan.

I could care less if Iran becomes more powerful. America is simply reaping what's sowed, and sadly the consequences of that are here to stay. And remember, IRAN is doing what you want done, FIGHTING TERRORISTS. And Russia is doing the same, along with Assad. BE GRATEFUL.

I don't want to support any moderates tho. I want them to topple assad but i don't want to help them do so let them fight him until one side wins. I don't want to give them weapons where are you getting that from my posts??? I don't think you are reading correctly.

if it's isis then we invade and destroy them sine isis is not even an organic Syrian organization the populace of Syria will be more inclined to not support them especially since they are doing brutal crimes in Syria. To begin with about 10% of the population is alawite ANOTHER 10% is Christian. you want us to replace isis with a more dangerous and organized state. Iran

 

[CracceR]

@kingblaze84

In my opinion the united states is only hated by the religious extremist in those nation it is those people that are at the heart of the hate they flare up the young and undereducated. Syria is in a unique situation and I believe that we can sway the population to our side as this war becomes more intense and the suffering increases the average person will desire peace no matter who gives it. I don't want to take assad out I want the rebels to take him out then we come in and take out the rebels who base their rebellion on religious principles, work with those who don't and the other religious minorities, bringing peace. Also it is a lie that America has been stealing resources in the middle east, it's just another anti-American myth.

like I said in other threads the goal would be if we cannot totally destroy isis everywhere then we must contain isis in one nation until they can be destroyed. As for the debt fears America HAS THE MONEY WE basically can manipulate the world's money as we see fit. You always underestimate the real power America has. THE wounded and dead are collateral damage. I know how that sounds but it is the truth, if you think too much about the people who will die nothing would be done. You are too emotional about the issue of the number of dead.

ww3 is how we should have approced the problem of militant islam in the first place 9/11 was the perfect excuse to deal with this problem but we wasted that chance. Now we have to deal with it piece by piece which will be more expensive. and if we don't do something now 10-15 years from now things will only get worse reaching a point that we can no longer ignore it.

nope, with all these drones and innocent killed its not only the religious extremist who hate the united states.

u live in lala land if you believe america cares about any of this shit all they care about is oil money new territory and supremacy

well to keep that supremacy we have to do what we have to do. Has America used any drones in Syria, in iran, in Saudi Arabia, in jordan?? SO WHY SHOULD the average Syrian hate us if not for the religious motivation.

because they kinda know what america has done world wide. for example putting saddam in office and then starting war, drones in pakistan, supporting israel etc..

 

[CracceR]

I say let Russia and Iran deal with the total mess in Syria, America has enough people around the world who want to blow us up. Blowing up Syrian civilians and creating even more popular support for ISIS is the LAST thing we need to do. There's a reason Obama is wise enough to leave ISIS alone for now, he knows taking them head on will be expensive and will create massive civilian casualties, something ISIS deep down wants because it will cause their recruitment and popularity to increase. You are underestimating how hated America is in the Middle East......we cannot get involved, unless they attack us directly of course.

Russia and iran won't really be dealing with shit, neither has to power needed to deal with this alone or combined Russia won't risk it's blood and iran is already losing in Syria. YOU STILL HAVE NOT come up with a full solution to this problem leaving it alone is not an answer waiting for someone else to fix a problem only you can fix is not answer.

I already have a solution to the problem with ISIS in Syria, LET RUSSIA, ASSAD, AND IRAN HANDLE IT. Yes Iran isn't doing very well fighting against ISIS but ISIS isn't spreading the way it used to either. Thanks to Russia and Iran, ISIS is CONTAINED. Notice ISIS hasn't spread any further into Syria or Iraq, they have their little caliphate yes but it's still a contained one. Iran and Russia, along with Bashar Assad, have done a decent job keeping ISIS from moving into other regions. Even Saudi Arabia has said they are moving troops to its borders to keep ISIS out. I say, good job Russia, Bashar Assad, and Iran for containing ISIS for us.

You should be happy ISIS is contained. ISIS has no shot of taking Baghdad and no shot of taking over Jordan or Saudi Arabia. Playing captain save a Muslim while bombing tons of Muslim civilians is NO WAY to DECREASE the threat of terrorism. And those moderate rebels you speak of? Many of them have joined ISIS HAHAHA

You can hide and be a pussy all you want, you can advocate for peace all you want but in 10 years from now when we have to go back to war I hope it's your children they force to fight, all this could have been avoided. Iran becoming more powerful and speading it's influence will be a disaster for us in a few years if we leave this alone.

It's not about being a pussy, it's about being SMART. You underestimate how hated America is in the region and that us giving aid to the "moderate" rebels will only backfire because AGAIN, Assad is FIGHTING the Islamists and terrorists you CLAIM you hate. ASSAD IS DOING WHAT YOU WANT TO BE DONE. So is Russia and Iran. YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY RUSSIA, IRAN, and ASSAD ARE DOING THE HARD WORK FOR US.

As far as Iran becoming more powerful and influential in the region, NEWSFLASH: THIS IS EXACTLY what people predicted would happen once we took Saddam out. You fail to realize that sometimes in life, there really aren't any good choices. Sometimes the BEST choice out of all bad choices is to let others do the work.

Oh and I have ANOTHER newsflash for you: ISIS was partially created by American, Turkish, and Jordanian govt officials who provided AID and WEAPONS to "moderate rebels" who are fighting Assad. Now look at how brilliant that idea was.....ISIS IS TRAINED TO USE AMERICAN WEAPONS and they have lots of them LOL, and you want to aid those "moderate" rebels more? You want MORE rebels having American made weapons and funds? You wanna create more ISIS like groups? Caliph of ISIS, is that you?

How smart is it to allow other nations who we don't have the best relationship with to become more powerful?? sounds fucking stupid to me. like I said no more compromise with anyone, only the religious minorities who are in no position to fight us because they lack the numbers should we even be really supporting. I've been trying to tell you that for a while now but your anti-Americanism is rotting your logical thinking abilities.

WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE pulled out of Iraq

It's not about anti-Americanism, it's about REALITY. Watch VICE news and see for yourself how hated America is in the region. Supporting those "moderates" in Syria won't work, as even those rebels deep down hate America. Remember, ISIS fooled Americans and others like you into giving them weapons and aid in Turkey and Jordan.

I could care less if Iran becomes more powerful. America is simply reaping what's sowed, and sadly the consequences of that are here to stay. And remember, IRAN is doing what you want done, FIGHTING TERRORISTS. And Russia is doing the same, along with Assad. BE GRATEFUL.

I don't want to support any moderates tho. I want them to topple assad but i don't want to help them do so let them fight him until one side wins. I don't want to give them weapons where are you getting that from my posts??? I don't think you are reading correctly.

if it's isis then we invade and destroy them sine isis is not even an organic Syrian organization the populace of Syria will be more inclined to not support them especially since they are doing brutal crimes in Syria. To begin with about 10% of the population is alawite ANOTHER 10% is Christian. you want us to replace isis with a more dangerous and organized state. Iran

are you gonna sign up, join the army and go to the middle east to kill all these ppls?

 

[zombie]

@Zombie and anyone FOOLISH enough to think aiding those moderate rebels in Syria is a good idea....
http://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-m...litical-arsonists-seek-to-burn-region/5387475

ISIS “Made in USA”. Iraq “Geopolitical Arsonists” Seek to Burn Region



ISIS: Made in USA

The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is a creation of the United States and its Persian Gulf allies, namely Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and recently added to the list, Kuwait. The Daily Beast in an article titled, “America’s Allies Are Funding ISIS,” states:

The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), now threatening Baghdad, was funded for years by wealthy donors in Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, three U.S. allies that have dual agendas in the war on terror.

The 9 page, extensive report has since been vindicated many times over with revelations of US, NATO, and Persian Gulf complicity in raising armies of extremists within Libya and along Syria’s borders. ISIS itself, which is claimed to occupy a region stretching from northeastern Syria and across northern and western Iraq, has operated all along Turkey’s border with Syria, “coincidentally” where the US CIA has conducted years of “monitoring” and arming of “moderate” groups.

In fact, the US admits it has armed, funded, and equipped “moderates” to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. In a March 2013 Telegraph article titled, “US and Europe in ‘major airlift of arms to Syrian rebels through Zagreb’,” it was reported that a single program included 3,000 tons of weapons sent in 75 planeloads paid for by Saudi Arabia at the bidding of the United States. The New York Times in its article, “Arms Airlift to Syria Rebels Expands, With C.I.A. Aid,” admits that the CIA assisted Arab governments and Turkey with military aid to terrorists fighting in Syria constituting hundreds of airlifts landing in both Jordan and Turkey.

--So Zombie.....you wanna create another ISIS group? Then go right on ahead, and give those terrorists I mean moderate rebels millions of dollars in aid and guns. And let's see those same rebel groups turn against America, as usual. HORRIBLE idea.

When did I say we should aide moderate muslims. you must not be reading correctly I said we should help the non-religious rebels and religious minorities. I never mentioned anything about moderate muslims

The non religious rebels in Syria? AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where the fuck are those rebels at? Religious minorities in Syria, like who, Christians??? NIGGA PLEASE!!!! This is SYRIA we're talking about, NOT IDAHO. Syria is a mostly Muslim Sunni nation, frankly it's a miracle a Shiite like Assad is the president of that nation. And you wanna arm the weak as fuck non religious rebels and religious minorities? HAHAHA what are you playing Age of Empires 3 or something? Live in reality homie, ain't no non-religious rebel group taking charge in Syria with religious minorities, once the population finds out those weak groups got aid from the Great Satan, it's a wrap for them. You continue to underestimate how hated America is there.

The non-religious rebels are the ones who started the uprising in the first place they just wanted assad gone and 20% of the nation is not sunni. The average Syrian is a sunni but they won't fight they just want peace so it's not like millions of sunni are going to flock to isis.

being a pussy and letting others do the work we have to do will lead to more death.

 

[zombie]

I say let Russia and Iran deal with the total mess in Syria, America has enough people around the world who want to blow us up. Blowing up Syrian civilians and creating even more popular support for ISIS is the LAST thing we need to do. There's a reason Obama is wise enough to leave ISIS alone for now, he knows taking them head on will be expensive and will create massive civilian casualties, something ISIS deep down wants because it will cause their recruitment and popularity to increase. You are underestimating how hated America is in the Middle East......we cannot get involved, unless they attack us directly of course.

Russia and iran won't really be dealing with shit, neither has to power needed to deal with this alone or combined Russia won't risk it's blood and iran is already losing in Syria. YOU STILL HAVE NOT come up with a full solution to this problem leaving it alone is not an answer waiting for someone else to fix a problem only you can fix is not answer.

I already have a solution to the problem with ISIS in Syria, LET RUSSIA, ASSAD, AND IRAN HANDLE IT. Yes Iran isn't doing very well fighting against ISIS but ISIS isn't spreading the way it used to either. Thanks to Russia and Iran, ISIS is CONTAINED. Notice ISIS hasn't spread any further into Syria or Iraq, they have their little caliphate yes but it's still a contained one. Iran and Russia, along with Bashar Assad, have done a decent job keeping ISIS from moving into other regions. Even Saudi Arabia has said they are moving troops to its borders to keep ISIS out. I say, good job Russia, Bashar Assad, and Iran for containing ISIS for us.

You should be happy ISIS is contained. ISIS has no shot of taking Baghdad and no shot of taking over Jordan or Saudi Arabia. Playing captain save a Muslim while bombing tons of Muslim civilians is NO WAY to DECREASE the threat of terrorism. And those moderate rebels you speak of? Many of them have joined ISIS HAHAHA

You can hide and be a pussy all you want, you can advocate for peace all you want but in 10 years from now when we have to go back to war I hope it's your children they force to fight, all this could have been avoided. Iran becoming more powerful and speading it's influence will be a disaster for us in a few years if we leave this alone.

It's not about being a pussy, it's about being SMART. You underestimate how hated America is in the region and that us giving aid to the "moderate" rebels will only backfire because AGAIN, Assad is FIGHTING the Islamists and terrorists you CLAIM you hate. ASSAD IS DOING WHAT YOU WANT TO BE DONE. So is Russia and Iran. YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY RUSSIA, IRAN, and ASSAD ARE DOING THE HARD WORK FOR US.

As far as Iran becoming more powerful and influential in the region, NEWSFLASH: THIS IS EXACTLY what people predicted would happen once we took Saddam out. You fail to realize that sometimes in life, there really aren't any good choices. Sometimes the BEST choice out of all bad choices is to let others do the work.

Oh and I have ANOTHER newsflash for you: ISIS was partially created by American, Turkish, and Jordanian govt officials who provided AID and WEAPONS to "moderate rebels" who are fighting Assad. Now look at how brilliant that idea was.....ISIS IS TRAINED TO USE AMERICAN WEAPONS and they have lots of them LOL, and you want to aid those "moderate" rebels more? You want MORE rebels having American made weapons and funds? You wanna create more ISIS like groups? Caliph of ISIS, is that you?

How smart is it to allow other nations who we don't have the best relationship with to become more powerful?? sounds fucking stupid to me. like I said no more compromise with anyone, only the religious minorities who are in no position to fight us because they lack the numbers should we even be really supporting. I've been trying to tell you that for a while now but your anti-Americanism is rotting your logical thinking abilities.

WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE pulled out of Iraq

It's not about anti-Americanism, it's about REALITY. Watch VICE news and see for yourself how hated America is in the region. Supporting those "moderates" in Syria won't work, as even those rebels deep down hate America. Remember, ISIS fooled Americans and others like you into giving them weapons and aid in Turkey and Jordan.

I could care less if Iran becomes more powerful. America is simply reaping what's sowed, and sadly the consequences of that are here to stay. And remember, IRAN is doing what you want done, FIGHTING TERRORISTS. And Russia is doing the same, along with Assad. BE GRATEFUL.

I don't want to support any moderates tho. I want them to topple assad but i don't want to help them do so let them fight him until one side wins. I don't want to give them weapons where are you getting that from my posts??? I don't think you are reading correctly.

if it's isis then we invade and destroy them sine isis is not even an organic Syrian organization the populace of Syria will be more inclined to not support them especially since they are doing brutal crimes in Syria. To begin with about 10% of the population is alawite ANOTHER 10% is Christian. you want us to replace isis with a more dangerous and organized state. Iran

are you gonna sign up, join the army and go to the middle east to kill all these ppls?

I'm too old for that shit now, but one thing is certain if weaklings get their way american children will have too fight another war in the middle east because we today are too pussy to make the sacrifices needed to fix the problem now

 

[zombie]

@kingblaze84

In my opinion the united states is only hated by the religious extremist in those nation it is those people that are at the heart of the hate they flare up the young and undereducated. Syria is in a unique situation and I believe that we can sway the population to our side as this war becomes more intense and the suffering increases the average person will desire peace no matter who gives it. I don't want to take assad out I want the rebels to take him out then we come in and take out the rebels who base their rebellion on religious principles, work with those who don't and the other religious minorities, bringing peace. Also it is a lie that America has been stealing resources in the middle east, it's just another anti-American myth.

like I said in other threads the goal would be if we cannot totally destroy isis everywhere then we must contain isis in one nation until they can be destroyed. As for the debt fears America HAS THE MONEY WE basically can manipulate the world's money as we see fit. You always underestimate the real power America has. THE wounded and dead are collateral damage. I know how that sounds but it is the truth, if you think too much about the people who will die nothing would be done. You are too emotional about the issue of the number of dead.

ww3 is how we should have approced the problem of militant islam in the first place 9/11 was the perfect excuse to deal with this problem but we wasted that chance. Now we have to deal with it piece by piece which will be more expensive. and if we don't do something now 10-15 years from now things will only get worse reaching a point that we can no longer ignore it.

nope, with all these drones and innocent killed its not only the religious extremist who hate the united states.

u live in lala land if you believe america cares about any of this shit all they care about is oil money new territory and supremacy

well to keep that supremacy we have to do what we have to do. Has America used any drones in Syria, in iran, in Saudi Arabia, in jordan?? SO WHY SHOULD the average Syrian hate us if not for the religious motivation.

because they kinda know what america has done world wide. for example putting saddam in office and then starting war, drones in pakistan, supporting israel etc..

There are different methods to doing that and clearly what we did Iraq was stupid we should never have took saddam out in the first place, but since we did it would be stupid to leave so soon but our leaders have been very weak and foolish both Obama and bush were fools when it came to the middle east.

 

[kingblaze84]

I say let Russia and Iran deal with the total mess in Syria, America has enough people around the world who want to blow us up. Blowing up Syrian civilians and creating even more popular support for ISIS is the LAST thing we need to do. There's a reason Obama is wise enough to leave ISIS alone for now, he knows taking them head on will be expensive and will create massive civilian casualties, something ISIS deep down wants because it will cause their recruitment and popularity to increase. You are underestimating how hated America is in the Middle East......we cannot get involved, unless they attack us directly of course.

Russia and iran won't really be dealing with shit, neither has to power needed to deal with this alone or combined Russia won't risk it's blood and iran is already losing in Syria. YOU STILL HAVE NOT come up with a full solution to this problem leaving it alone is not an answer waiting for someone else to fix a problem only you can fix is not answer.

I already have a solution to the problem with ISIS in Syria, LET RUSSIA, ASSAD, AND IRAN HANDLE IT. Yes Iran isn't doing very well fighting against ISIS but ISIS isn't spreading the way it used to either. Thanks to Russia and Iran, ISIS is CONTAINED. Notice ISIS hasn't spread any further into Syria or Iraq, they have their little caliphate yes but it's still a contained one. Iran and Russia, along with Bashar Assad, have done a decent job keeping ISIS from moving into other regions. Even Saudi Arabia has said they are moving troops to its borders to keep ISIS out. I say, good job Russia, Bashar Assad, and Iran for containing ISIS for us.

You should be happy ISIS is contained. ISIS has no shot of taking Baghdad and no shot of taking over Jordan or Saudi Arabia. Playing captain save a Muslim while bombing tons of Muslim civilians is NO WAY to DECREASE the threat of terrorism. And those moderate rebels you speak of? Many of them have joined ISIS HAHAHA

You can hide and be a pussy all you want, you can advocate for peace all you want but in 10 years from now when we have to go back to war I hope it's your children they force to fight, all this could have been avoided. Iran becoming more powerful and speading it's influence will be a disaster for us in a few years if we leave this alone.

It's not about being a pussy, it's about being SMART. You underestimate how hated America is in the region and that us giving aid to the "moderate" rebels will only backfire because AGAIN, Assad is FIGHTING the Islamists and terrorists you CLAIM you hate. ASSAD IS DOING WHAT YOU WANT TO BE DONE. So is Russia and Iran. YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY RUSSIA, IRAN, and ASSAD ARE DOING THE HARD WORK FOR US.

As far as Iran becoming more powerful and influential in the region, NEWSFLASH: THIS IS EXACTLY what people predicted would happen once we took Saddam out. You fail to realize that sometimes in life, there really aren't any good choices. Sometimes the BEST choice out of all bad choices is to let others do the work.

Oh and I have ANOTHER newsflash for you: ISIS was partially created by American, Turkish, and Jordanian govt officials who provided AID and WEAPONS to "moderate rebels" who are fighting Assad. Now look at how brilliant that idea was.....ISIS IS TRAINED TO USE AMERICAN WEAPONS and they have lots of them LOL, and you want to aid those "moderate" rebels more? You want MORE rebels having American made weapons and funds? You wanna create more ISIS like groups? Caliph of ISIS, is that you?

How smart is it to allow other nations who we don't have the best relationship with to become more powerful?? sounds fucking stupid to me. like I said no more compromise with anyone, only the religious minorities who are in no position to fight us because they lack the numbers should we even be really supporting. I've been trying to tell you that for a while now but your anti-Americanism is rotting your logical thinking abilities.

WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE pulled out of Iraq

It's not about anti-Americanism, it's about REALITY. Watch VICE news and see for yourself how hated America is in the region. Supporting those "moderates" in Syria won't work, as even those rebels deep down hate America. Remember, ISIS fooled Americans and others like you into giving them weapons and aid in Turkey and Jordan.

I could care less if Iran becomes more powerful. America is simply reaping what's sowed, and sadly the consequences of that are here to stay. And remember, IRAN is doing what you want done, FIGHTING TERRORISTS. And Russia is doing the same, along with Assad. BE GRATEFUL.

I don't want to support any moderates tho. I want them to topple assad but i don't want to help them do so let them fight him until one side wins. I don't want to give them weapons where are you getting that from my posts??? I don't think you are reading correctly.

if it's isis then we invade and destroy them sine isis is not even an organic Syrian organization the populace of Syria will be more inclined to not support them especially since they are doing brutal crimes in Syria. To begin with about 10% of the population is alawite ANOTHER 10% is Christian. you want us to replace isis with a more dangerous and organized state. Iran

are you gonna sign up, join the army and go to the middle east to kill all these ppls?

I'm too old for that shit now, but one thing is certain if weaklings get their way american children will have too fight another war in the middle east because we today are too pussy to make the sacrifices needed to fix the problem now

America is ALREADY fighting a war in the Middle East, the war we're losing/lost in Afghanistan.

We're also already droning plenty of targets in Pakistan and Yemen. Not sure why you want America to take on even MORE responsibility for the mess in the Middle East, a mess stupid politicians have helped to create. If Iran, Assad, and Russia are willing to take on these responsibilities, IDK why you would feel America should take over the reins when America hasn't gotten any more popular in that region.

And what exactly is your beef with Iran anyway? Is it because they hate Israel? Because newsflash, the entire Middle East hates Israel lol, and it's no surprise they do, Israel is an apartheid state.

 

[zombie]

I say let Russia and Iran deal with the total mess in Syria, America has enough people around the world who want to blow us up. Blowing up Syrian civilians and creating even more popular support for ISIS is the LAST thing we need to do. There's a reason Obama is wise enough to leave ISIS alone for now, he knows taking them head on will be expensive and will create massive civilian casualties, something ISIS deep down wants because it will cause their recruitment and popularity to increase. You are underestimating how hated America is in the Middle East......we cannot get involved, unless they attack us directly of course.

Russia and iran won't really be dealing with shit, neither has to power needed to deal with this alone or combined Russia won't risk it's blood and iran is already losing in Syria. YOU STILL HAVE NOT come up with a full solution to this problem leaving it alone is not an answer waiting for someone else to fix a problem only you can fix is not answer.

I already have a solution to the problem with ISIS in Syria, LET RUSSIA, ASSAD, AND IRAN HANDLE IT. Yes Iran isn't doing very well fighting against ISIS but ISIS isn't spreading the way it used to either. Thanks to Russia and Iran, ISIS is CONTAINED. Notice ISIS hasn't spread any further into Syria or Iraq, they have their little caliphate yes but it's still a contained one. Iran and Russia, along with Bashar Assad, have done a decent job keeping ISIS from moving into other regions. Even Saudi Arabia has said they are moving troops to its borders to keep ISIS out. I say, good job Russia, Bashar Assad, and Iran for containing ISIS for us.

You should be happy ISIS is contained. ISIS has no shot of taking Baghdad and no shot of taking over Jordan or Saudi Arabia. Playing captain save a Muslim while bombing tons of Muslim civilians is NO WAY to DECREASE the threat of terrorism. And those moderate rebels you speak of? Many of them have joined ISIS HAHAHA

You can hide and be a pussy all you want, you can advocate for peace all you want but in 10 years from now when we have to go back to war I hope it's your children they force to fight, all this could have been avoided. Iran becoming more powerful and speading it's influence will be a disaster for us in a few years if we leave this alone.

It's not about being a pussy, it's about being SMART. You underestimate how hated America is in the region and that us giving aid to the "moderate" rebels will only backfire because AGAIN, Assad is FIGHTING the Islamists and terrorists you CLAIM you hate. ASSAD IS DOING WHAT YOU WANT TO BE DONE. So is Russia and Iran. YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY RUSSIA, IRAN, and ASSAD ARE DOING THE HARD WORK FOR US.

As far as Iran becoming more powerful and influential in the region, NEWSFLASH: THIS IS EXACTLY what people predicted would happen once we took Saddam out. You fail to realize that sometimes in life, there really aren't any good choices. Sometimes the BEST choice out of all bad choices is to let others do the work.

Oh and I have ANOTHER newsflash for you: ISIS was partially created by American, Turkish, and Jordanian govt officials who provided AID and WEAPONS to "moderate rebels" who are fighting Assad. Now look at how brilliant that idea was.....ISIS IS TRAINED TO USE AMERICAN WEAPONS and they have lots of them LOL, and you want to aid those "moderate" rebels more? You want MORE rebels having American made weapons and funds? You wanna create more ISIS like groups? Caliph of ISIS, is that you?

How smart is it to allow other nations who we don't have the best relationship with to become more powerful?? sounds fucking stupid to me. like I said no more compromise with anyone, only the religious minorities who are in no position to fight us because they lack the numbers should we even be really supporting. I've been trying to tell you that for a while now but your anti-Americanism is rotting your logical thinking abilities.

WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE pulled out of Iraq

It's not about anti-Americanism, it's about REALITY. Watch VICE news and see for yourself how hated America is in the region. Supporting those "moderates" in Syria won't work, as even those rebels deep down hate America. Remember, ISIS fooled Americans and others like you into giving them weapons and aid in Turkey and Jordan.

I could care less if Iran becomes more powerful. America is simply reaping what's sowed, and sadly the consequences of that are here to stay. And remember, IRAN is doing what you want done, FIGHTING TERRORISTS. And Russia is doing the same, along with Assad. BE GRATEFUL.

I don't want to support any moderates tho. I want them to topple assad but i don't want to help them do so let them fight him until one side wins. I don't want to give them weapons where are you getting that from my posts??? I don't think you are reading correctly.

if it's isis then we invade and destroy them sine isis is not even an organic Syrian organization the populace of Syria will be more inclined to not support them especially since they are doing brutal crimes in Syria. To begin with about 10% of the population is alawite ANOTHER 10% is Christian. you want us to replace isis with a more dangerous and organized state. Iran

are you gonna sign up, join the army and go to the middle east to kill all these ppls?

I'm too old for that shit now, but one thing is certain if weaklings get their way american children will have too fight another war in the middle east because we today are too pussy to make the sacrifices needed to fix the problem now

America is ALREADY fighting a war in the Middle East, the war we're losing/lost in Afghanistan.

We're also already droning plenty of targets in Pakistan and Yemen. Not sure why you want America to take on even MORE responsibility for the mess in the Middle East, a mess stupid politicians have helped to create. If Iran, Assad, and Russia are willing to take on these responsibilities, IDK why you would feel America should take over the reins when America hasn't gotten any more popular in that region.

And what exactly is your beef with Iran anyway? Is it because they hate Israel? Because newsflash, the entire Middle East hates Israel lol, and it's no surprise they do, Israel is an apartheid state.

You call whats is going on in afganistan a war? that shit stopped being a war a while ago. russia has took on what responsibilities? what exactly are they doing how many men does russia have in the middle east ?where are their bases in the middle east.? all russia did was give the government of iraq a few planes. assad is fighing because he has no choice the alwites are fighting because they have no choice the Christians will be fighting because they have no choice.

if we cannot convince the people in the middle east to like us that's ok they don't have too but they will not be allowed to continue threatening the peace of the world. RADICAL ISLAM must be stopped at all cost especially the sunni branch. iran is a stated enemy of the united states and if you get your way and the usa washes it's hands of Israel, Israel when it's back hits the wall will turn the middle east into a glass parking lot. the united states restrains Israel. these stupid arabs don't seem to understand that but they will soon enough

 

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@kingblaze84 this is what your solution comes down to

we should just leave iran alone let them do what the fuck they want to do.

we should just leave isis alone let them do what the fuck they want to do.

we should just leave Russia alone let it do what the fuck they want to do.

all three especially iran and isis are long term threats, two are control by religious extremism that ultimately cannot be reasoned with, RUSSIA is our traditional opponent if they gain influence in the region it can create another proxy war between them and us or worse when Israel starts getting scared they bomb some muslim nation and there you go full on war in the middle east.