Lol, forgot about this thread....
But anyway...postin from the illphone5...came to my doorstep a couple days ago...
I almost wavered in the coming weeks to receiving the phone...I was gonna get the galaxy after playin wit it for a while...the shit was nice...
But I'm glad I didn't....
I been watching flash video to using Skyfire browser, just got through watching Sons Of Anarchy latest episode streaming in HD quality....
Does cost for the app, and not all flash video works using it, but you can find different links and still watch what you need.
Overall I'm pleased as fuck wid the upgrade...
But anyway...postin from the illphone5...came to my doorstep a couple days ago...
I almost wavered in the coming weeks to receiving the phone...I was gonna get the galaxy after playin wit it for a while...the shit was nice...
But I'm glad I didn't....
I been watching flash video to using Skyfire browser, just got through watching Sons Of Anarchy latest episode streaming in HD quality....
Does cost for the app, and not all flash video works using it, but you can find different links and still watch what you need.
Overall I'm pleased as fuck wid the upgrade...
CottonCitySlim
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thats because their stocks are down 25% this quarter saw on CNN and MSNBC they need to do something to make investors happy
and not a troll post i have an ip5. Not happy with it though but it will suffice
and not a troll post i have an ip5. Not happy with it though but it will suffice
The Lonious Monk
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I guess they figure they got to something to catch up. I would have though it would take 3 or 4 months to completely eclipse the iPhone. But it's already been done. The Droid DNA pretty much beats the iPhone in every area except camera quality, and it's only been a month. The 2013 crop of Android phones will likely be ridiculous as far as specs and capabilities go.
The Lonious Monk;5283403 said:
And battery life and display quality....
http://gizmodo.com/5960289/htc-droid-dna-vs-iphone-5-and-everyone-else-whos-got-the-best-display
The Lonious Monk
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rage;5283551 said:
rage;5283551 said:
Ehhh, that's debateable. Based on what the article said, they are saying that the iPhone 5 is better because it handles color better and is brighter. Those points might be true but, the article itself also pointed out that text was clearer on the DNA and the DNA has superior resolution. Then there is also the fact that the DNA can broadcast in true HD where as the iPhone 5 cannot. So I can't say that the DNA is definitively better than the iPhone 5 in this area. But it's subjective enough to where there may be no definitive best and close enough to where it might not matter. Honestly, the DNA is the first phone I've personally looked at and thought looked just as good as the iPhone.
As for battery life, I might be mistaken but I thought the battery for the iPhone wasn't all that good. Admittedly the battery is the low point for the DNA. That said, it's much better than people thought it would be. I get through a full day easily with moderate usage. But since I've never used an iPhone 5 for a whole day, I can't really say how they compare.
The Lonious Monk
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rage;5283746 said:
Actually, there is pretty much no reason to get a Nexus 4 unless you prefer vanilla Android OS or you want to get a high end new phone without spending a ton of money and without getting a new contract. The DNA is superior to the Nexus 4 in practically every way, and even if you don't like the Sense skin on Android, you can just root the phone or use a launcher.
I'm also not really sure why you would take the Galaxy Nexus over the SG3. Is that just bias against the SG3 or something? They are both Samsung phones, and they clearly improved the SG3 over the GN in every conceivable way.
The Lonious Monk;5283770 said:
Vanilla Android and Google. The Galaxy Nexus had the Jelly Bean update the day it came out. There are still GS3s that dont have JellyBean out here. That alone was enough evidence that fucking with any other phone aside from the Nexus line would just be dumb. When 4.1 came out Google completely forgot about the month of December. It didnt even exist in the OS anywhere. Google put out a patch and it wasnt THAT big of a deal. The Nexus got all the updates on the day Google pushed them out. All other phones...have to wait till whenever their manufacturer decide and then when their carrier decides to push out the updates. If I have to root my phone to avoid this....whats the point in buying an Android phone?
Secondly with JellyBean the difference between the two is negligible. The Galaxy Nexus has a similar sized screen but is sharper than the GS3's. Samsung has that hideous TouchWiz (Which is a BLATANT iOS ripoff) slapped on the front of JellyBean. Project Butter negates any minor performance advantages the GS3 has, and I'll take the design of the Galaxy Nexus over the GS3s...in other words Google>>>>>Samsung.
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The Lonious Monk
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Honestly, getting a new version update faster than other phones isn't that big of a deal. Most of the updates aren't that significant, and when there are major upgrades to the OS, it takes time for the apps and developers to be adjusted properly anyway. So being the first to have it isn't all that great. I'll take a phone that's superior when I buy it over quicker updates any day. Now if Google starts churning out the best phones, you'd have a point, but you can make arguments for choosing the GS3, RAZR Maxx HD, and DNA over the Nexus 4.
As for the Galaxy Nexus, I'm pretty sure it doesn't have all the features that Samsung phones have. That said, I don't even see how you can make the silly comment you did about Google and Samsung in relation to each other. They aren't competitors. The Galaxy Nexus was a Samsung phone after all. And honestly, I'd take Samsung only features like Multi-window that are available on the GS3 but not the GN over getting an update a month or two early.
As for the Galaxy Nexus, I'm pretty sure it doesn't have all the features that Samsung phones have. That said, I don't even see how you can make the silly comment you did about Google and Samsung in relation to each other. They aren't competitors. The Galaxy Nexus was a Samsung phone after all. And honestly, I'd take Samsung only features like Multi-window that are available on the GS3 but not the GN over getting an update a month or two early.
The Lonious Monk;5285943 said:
How is not having the latest OS not a big deal? Don't you want offline turn by turn directions? Don't you want Project Butter and its fast and seamless transitions? Google Now? Even more important are functional upgrades like better battery life and under the hood performance improvements. This is such a ridiculous statement that having the newest operating system "isnt that big a deal"...we arent talking about small updates and patches...its a whole and complete upgrade to the OS. Also who says Samsung will even allow you to upgrade your phone? The GS2 which came out in May 2011 wont get Jelly Bean until MAYBE 2013...MAYBE. WTF? Meanwhile the Nexus S got its update to Jelly Bean in October...before the GS3. This again goes to the whole misconception of Android being "open"...its only really "open" if your on a google device. There is no guarantee that the GS3 will even get Key Lime Pie. This goes DOUBLE for Motorola who have locked their boot loaders.
The Galaxy Nexus has a better screen than the GS3, it has NFC, its not appreciably slower than the GS3, the only thing the GS3 has is an 8mp camera to the GN's 5Mp. Even then the GS3 camera is crap in comparison to the other 8mp cameras out there. So what makes the GS3 an appreciably superior phone in comparison to the GN? The GS3 is the most overhyped and underwhelming phone on the market. What features do the RAZR Maxx HD and DNA have over the Nexus4? The Nexus4 has a quad core processor, over 300ppi screen, NFC, Wireless charging, 9 hour battery life.... How are Google phones not the best Android phones?
Google>>>>Samsung....in every way possible.
1) Galaxy Nexus> Galaxy S2 Google killed Samsung on its own shit.
2) The TouchWiz interface Samsung slaps onto their Android builds is brutal and a straight jack of iOS. Its a memory hog and comes with a whole bunch of bloatware, its laggy, its a battery hog, its riddled with security flaws, etc etc
3) Google's phones are designed with the pure Android experience, its a seamless relationship and experience. You dont have to worry about locked bootloaders, horrendous interfaces and you dont have to worry about not having the best device on the market.
Michael_Malice
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@rage
I am thinking of getting the BB10 instead of the iPhone 5. I'm getting bored with iOS and want something new. Am I making a big mistake like when I left iOS for that shitty Android platform?
I am thinking of getting the BB10 instead of the iPhone 5. I'm getting bored with iOS and want something new. Am I making a big mistake like when I left iOS for that shitty Android platform?
The Lonious Monk
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rage;5286015 said:
Ok, first we've already established Google branded phones get OS updates faster than nonbranded phones. So, most of the argument up there is pointless. You're rehashing something that's not even being debated. As far as it not being as a big deal as you're making it, it's not. Yes, it's cool to get the new features and everything, but it's not like having an older OS makes your phone experience crap. I came from a Thunderbolt that didn't even have Ice Cream Sandwich to a DNA with Jellybean. The new features are cool, but guess what? 90% of the shit I do now on my phone, I could do be before on a phone 2 versions behind. The upgrade in hardware going from one phone to the next was far more significant than the upgrade in software. And if I'm not mistaken Motorola was purchased by Google, so I doubt Motorola phones will be left out in the cold when it comes to updates.
The GS3 is superior specwise to the GN, has a better battery, and expandable memory which the GN doesn't have. There is no arguing that.
Their performance is still pretty similar, but that is largely because they are both Samsung phones. It has nothing to do with the Google brand, so I'm not sure what your point is here. And what difference does it make that the GS3 cam is crap compared to the other 8 Mp cams out there? It's still better than the GN cam. That's all that matters in this part of the discussion.
RAZR Maxx HD has a much better battery than the Nexus 4 and pretty much every other phone out there, so if battery life is what matters most to you it's definitely a prime option. The DNA has a better screen and better audio than the Nexus 4. It is also noticeably faster. So clearly, the statement that Google phones are the best phones is pretty baseless. If vanilla Android and better Android support is the most important thing to you then you're absolutely right, you should go with Google branded phones. However, it's dumb to act like that's the only consideration when it comes to phones.
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This is still a stupid statement. I don't even understand what point you're trying to make.
Samsung is primarily a hardware developer. Google is exclusively a software developer. They are not competitors. So saying Google >>>>> Samsung is like saying the number 5 >>>> the color green, you're comparing things that don't really even match up.
It is hilarious that you're trying to support Google against Samsung by saying the GN was better than the S2. They were both Samsung phones genius. The hardware upgrades that made the GN superior to the S2 were Samsung's doing not Google's. So again, how does this support your claim in any way. Yeah, if you like vanilla Android better, you will like the GN better, but that was already acknowledged like 3 posts ago.
And the TouchWiz complaint is dumb too. You are primarily an iPhone user so maybe you don't realize this, but most of the people that care about the differences in skins either root or use launchers, so guess what? If you don't like TouchWiz, you don't have to see it. My wife has a Galaxy Note 2 and she's never even seen the TouchWiz skin because we put Go Launcher Ex on there as soon as she got it. Guess what, if we got the Nexus 4, we would have done the same thing because even Vanilla Android doesn't offer the level of customization that launchers do. So again, it's really just a matter of taste and how much you like Vanilla Android.
The fact of the matter is that your statement that the Nexus 4 is the outright best Android phone on the market is false. Is it a great phone? Yes, but there are at least 4 great Android phones out there right now, and all of them have their own positives and negatives.
The Lonious Monk;5286156 said:
If your cool with settling for older OS version than thats on you. I think its completely ridiculous that you can say there wasnt a big difference between GingerBread and Ice Cream Sandwich. Shit is night and day different.
If the GS3 and GN perform similar and the extra hour of battery life is the only differentiator what makes the GS3 so special? Expandable memory?? A lacklustre camera?
Now we come to why Google >>> Samsung. Samsung is a manufacturer they dont have the "brain power" to design anything on the level of Apple or Google. Think of Google as the Architect and Samsung the Carpenter.
The GN didnt have a Samsung's Exynos chipset, it has Texas Instruments OMAP.
The GN didnt have a Samsung sourced Mali GPU either, it has a PowerVR
Screen the GN has a 316ppi screen, and Samsung has never been able to put out a screen that sharp...not with GS2 or GS3.
So the three MAIN components of the phone have nothing to do with Samsung. Google has also seen that expandable memory is pointless now and doesnt provide any benefit. With services like Google Drive, DropBox, SkyDrive etc expandable memory (Shit physical memory in its entirety) are done. This again shows the relationship Samsung has with Google (and to a large extent Apple)...they just put shit together for them. They have 0 say in the design and components of the products. They are just a carpenter to Google's architect.
Your cherry picking here. Saying the MaxxHD has the better battery and the DNA has a better screen. Notice that neither of these phones have both of those features. Again this is Google's design philosophy coming through, they arent trying to have the BEST one feature, they are trying to make the best ALL ROUND phone.
TouchWiz is horrible, yes you can root your phone and use Vanilla Android or a custom launcher....again the point is with the Nexus line, you dont have to bother with rooting. With the Nexus line you can open the box and have the pure unfettered experience Google intended OR if so inclined go after customization.
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rage;5286292 said:
First of all, I never said that. I said, it's not as big a deal as you're making it. Like I said, Jellybean is a huge leave from Gingerbread which is what I've been using for the past year. I love the new things added to Jellybean, but even so, 90% of what I do with my phone now, I could do before. Hell, half the new stuff that comes in these upgrades can already be done with third party programs anyway.
Expandable memory is important for people who tend to keep a lot of media on their phones. Why do you think the iphone comes in multiple sizes. If 16 GB was good enough for everyone, then that's all that would ever be sold. And I fail to see how attacking the GS3 camera helps your point when it's still better than the GN camera. Also, when the GS3 came out, there were a ton of features that it had that the GN didn't e.g. S Beam. Admittedly, a package has been released for the GN that ports those features, so that's not a issue now, but it was when the GS3 first came out.
Ok what's your point? Samsung combined a bunch of third party elements together to make the phone. They still created the phone. As someone who evaluates technology like this as a profession, it's often harder to do that and make it work than to simply produce your own stuff and put it together. Again, that is a testament to Samsung's ability, not Google's. Even if Google set the specs, it was Samsung that filled them and made it work. So once again, your assertion that Google is greater than Samsung and use of the GN as proof is silly, comical even.
This is nonsense too. Expandable memory is pointless to people who don't use a lot of memory. Go to the Nexus 4 and DNA message boards and look up topics concerning them before they came out. The number 1 complaint for both was the lack of expandable memory. Considering most every major provider has either given up or will give up on unlimited data plans, cloud services are not viable alternatives to expandable memory. It's the reason why some people got the GS3 over the DNA and Nexus 4 despite them being superior phones.
Your cherry picking here. Saying the MaxxHD has the better battery and the DNA has a better screen. Notice that neither of these phones have both of those features. Again this is Google's design philosophy coming through, they arent trying to have the BEST one feature, they are trying to make the best ALL ROUND phone.
TouchWiz is horrible, yes you can root your phone and use Vanilla Android or a custom launcher....again the point is with the Nexus line, you dont have to bother with rooting. With the Nexus line you can open the box and have the pure unfettered experience Google intended OR if so inclined go after customization.
I'm not cherry picking anything. I'm pointing out that all these phones have various strengths and weaknesses. Which phone you choose depends largely on what's most important to you. But even if we are going with best all around phone, I'd still say that the DNA is better than the Nexus 4. There really isn't anything the Nexus 4 does better than the DNA.
TouchWiz isn't nearly as horrible as you're making it seem. I'm thinking you're just a Samsung hater for some reason. Is it because you love Apple and so you hate Samsung since they are in a legal battle or something? My wife has the Note 2. I played around with TouchWiz. It's not my cup of tea, but it's not horrible either. And yes with the Nexus line you don't have to bother with rooting or launchers IF what you prefer is Vanilla Android, but as I've pointed out people get launchers and custom ROMs because they want to customize the phones to their own desires. Even if they got the Nexus 4, they would still use a launcher at the very least unless vanilla Android is what they want. And again, that's a plus I already acknowledged. But it's no different than people buying Samsung phones because they like TouchWiz or HTC because they like Sense or Motorola because they like Blur. There are people out there that do just that.
Michael_Malice
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@rage
Are you going to answer my question?
Are you going to answer my question?
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The Lonious Monk
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I'm not Rage, but I would guess you should wait to see what kinda support the phone gets. The reason BB has fallen off is because it hasn't kept up with iOS and Android in its versatility of use. It's a great business phone, but not so good just for general usage. I know plenty of people with BBs, but very few of them use a BB for their personal phone. The BB10 could be a great phone, but it needs that support to be useful.
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