I'm tired of the old Legendary rappers gettin way more credit than they deserve...!

[acerol]

u a funny guy. i honoustly cnt believe u called nig pun wack - listen to capital punishment and then start writing threads and callin biggie overrated u mad b. Have u not heard biggie lyrically. Eminem, Jay Z, Nas they all admitted to gettin inspired by biggie and 2pac. I have mad respect for hova, nas and em.

 

[joeyfkncrakk]

Yeah I called him wack thats my opinion, I'm not from NY so I dont gotta suck dude up like yall fools do n/h... I should have used the word MEDIOCRE but idgad thats me... Only thing that you guys are saying is the same bullshitty excuse... that they were here first.... is that it, is that all... because they started off first they are greater than a Jay-Z or Ye...is that the only thing, the basicness in the old school rhymes did help the new era but that don't make them greater...I'm not even shitting on the legends or disrespecting them but to say that they rap better than niggas from the 96 and up is just dumb as hell to me...

Ya'll gettin wild tryna mix up what Im calling the new school like I'm saying Waka Gucci Young Joc or sum shyt... I'm more on some early 2000 late 90's shyt... Yall can say what yall want...I can use all the NBA references to if you want me too... I pay homage to the old heads but Im not gonna over glorify these cats because they were here first... I cant do it

 

[joesmoke305]

R u fuckin retarded u think jay z surpass big pun yeah u right because hes alive but in lyrics i dont think so ha hah ha hah ahah ha ha u must be a cracker or black as coffe ,and he takes biggie rymes what the fuck is yo problem ,niggaz that take rymes from other artistes is not a mc .................. Jayz got destoryed by nas two times and by wezzy fuckin baby get yo facts right yo hip hop is not about musc videos and who got the most swag faget!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[joeyfkncrakk]

and for those saying Jay-Z hasnt made an impact on hip hop music, r u serious... The nigga got niggas in austarilia rusia china germany africa brazil arab etc etc hip to this shyt... He is a fucking iconic figure in rap in or outta the states and just cuz the IC haters dont want him to get credit his has be earned... Numerous classics under the belt, haters always gonna hate but its real... Almost all of them legendary rappers became only names thats it...

 

[Macon_Moves]

Outside of everything that's already been said, most of today's rappers have turned their back on hip hop if you ask me......

The most relevant rappers of today are pop stars......

Old school rappers did it for the art that's why we have much more love for them...

 

[joeyfkncrakk]

R u fuckin retarded u think jay z surpass big pun yeah u right because hes alive but in lyrics i dont think so ha hah ha hah ahah ha ha u must be a cracker or black as coffe ,and he takes biggie rymes what the fuck is yo problem ,niggaz that take rymes from other artistes is not a mc .................. Jayz got destoryed by nas two times and by wezzy fuckin baby get yo facts right yo hip hop is not about musc videos and who got the most swag faget!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PUN would be banished like Fat Joe, Jay-Z would still be here if Pac was alive

 

[JokerzWyld]

A lot of the people you named are more lyrically vicious than most rappers out today.

To answer you question.... or to address your opinion, the older breed of MCs deserve credit, if for nothing else, for inspiring today's rappers. Every rapper you see out today has rappers before them that gave them inspiration to do what they do.

If we didn't have Kool G Rap would we have a Raekwon, Ghostface, Nas, AZ, and the many others who rapped about drugs dealing and crime.

If you we didn't have Kane, would have rappers with swag and style? People talk about Jay-Z being the inventor of swag, but Kane was on that shit in 87.

Not to mention the amount of rappers today who are using the rhyme-schemes of Rakim, Kane, & G Rap.

If you didn't have an LL Cool J making songs for the ladies, would we have a Drake, Ja Rule, etc. who sell millions doing just that.

A lot of the rappers you named give credit to a lot of older MCs that you won't. Outkast gave props to Tribe & Run DMC. T.I. Gave props to Scarface & UGK & asked them for permission to be King Of The South.

KRS 1 was dissing niggaz as a gimmick before 50 Cent graduated from elementary school. Speaking of 50 he shouted out Rakim in a one of his songs.

The rappers you say are great are/were STANS of the rappers you say get too much credit. Styles have evolved some, but in a today's game rap is pretty much stagnant.

As far as which rappers are better, most rappers from the 80s give props to rappers from today. KRS 1 dedicated a song to Nas, and many old school rappers came together to make three posse cuts on Nas' "Where Are They Now" from HHID. KRS 1 said Wayne is the best rapper out right now.

 

[Kwan Dai]

Yeah I called him wack thats my opinion, I'm not from NY so I dont gotta suck dude up like yall fools do n/h... I should have used the word MEDIOCRE but idgad thats me... Only thing that you guys are saying is the same bullshitty excuse... that they were here first.... is that it, is that all... because they started off first they are greater than a Jay-Z or Ye...is that the only thing, the basicness in the old school rhymes did help the new era but that don't make them greater...I'm not even shitting on the legends or disrespecting them but to say that they rap better than niggas from the 96 and up is just dumb as hell to me...

Ya'll gettin wild tryna mix up what Im calling the new school like I'm saying Waka Gucci Young Joc or sum shyt... I'm more on some early 2000 late 90's shyt... Yall can say what yall want...I can use all the NBA references to if you want me too... I pay homage to the old heads but Im not gonna over glorify these cats because they were here first... I cant do it

Point taken. Now explain what these late 90's to 2000 rappers have done better then the artists you have mentioned? I will concede to some degree that FLOWS and WORD PLAY have been advanced. But even to some degree one could argue, that Rakim,GRAP, PUN, KRS and others were on Par and perhaps beyond MC's today in this area.

 

[joeyfkncrakk]

A lot of the people you named are more lyrically vicious than most rappers out today.

To answer you question.... or to address your opinion, the older breed of MCs deserve credit, if for nothing else, for inspiring today's rappers. Every rapper you see out today has rappers before them that gave them inspiration to do what they do.

If we didn't have Kool G Rap would we have a Raekwon, Ghostface, Nas, AZ, and the many others who rapped about drugs dealing and crime.

If you we didn't have Kane, would have rappers with swag and style? People talk about Jay-Z being the inventor of swag, but Kane was on that shit in 87.

Not to mention the amount of rappers today who are using the rhyme-schemes of Rakim, Kane, & G Rap.

If you didn't have an LL Cool J making songs for the ladies, would we have a Drake, Ja Rule, etc. who sell millions doing just that.

A lot of the rappers you named give credit to a lot of older MCs that you won't. Outkast gave props to Tribe & Run DMC. T.I. Gave props to Scarface & UGK & asked them for permission to be King Of The South.

KRS 1 was dissing niggaz as a gimmick before 50 Cent graduated from elementary school. Speaking of 50 he shouted out Rakim in a one of his songs.

The rappers you say are great are/were STANS of the rappers you say get too much credit. Styles have evolved some, but in a today's game rap is pretty much stagnant.

As far as which rappers are better, most rappers from the 80s give props to rappers from today. KRS 1 dedicated a song to Nas, and many old school rappers came together to make three posse cuts on Nas' "Where Are They Now" from HHID. KRS 1 said Wayne is the best rapper out right now.

I already said goodlooking out on doing what they did... don't make what they did greater than most top rappers today... yalll aint seeing me give respect but wanna keep bytching about the same shyt... When I say they get more credit... I'm saying they get more cred for classic albums that in the world today would be a lackluster album... I understand thats where it started and blah blah blah... but Im saying the bar is so high for our top MCs that when we eclipse the standards its still something else on why some1 isnt that good as we think or they havent did it for 20 years bullshyt or sum bogus ass excuse on why to diminish the greats ofour era and not appreciate their greatness but instead bitch and degrade good product that if the old schoool made it would be timeless classic shyt...

 

[Kwan Dai]

and for those saying Jay-Z hasnt made an impact on hip hop music, r u serious... The nigga got niggas in austarilia rusia china germany africa brazil arab etc etc hip to this shyt... He is a fucking iconic figure in rap in or outta the states and just cuz the IC haters dont want him to get credit his has be earned... Numerous classics under the belt, haters always gonna hate but its real... Almost all of them legendary rappers became only names thats it...

It's your lack of knowledge that's causing your disconnect. The same MC's you have shitted on to no end were doing WORLD TOURS before Jazyz ever recorded an Album. RUN DMC ring a Bell. Sorry homie you are out of touch.

 

[TheEnigma]

I know that there is a huge discussion on right now about current rappers vs. past rappers....i thought I'd leave this right here just in case anyone wants to denounce Pun

[video=youtube;Wp2VmA0K-l4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp2VmA0K-l4[/video]

Mutha F**** fire water....

 

[joesmoke305]

Jay is wack ass fuck buddy he takes biggie small rymes how the fuck he is overrated , the man is a bizzness man with a few hits thats it!!!!!!! Tell me why nobody bought the new jay z and kayne? Because know nobody wants too buy music from a guy that dont give a shit about the fans.......... Dr.dre sold more in his up in smoke tour then jay -z fagots ass roc a fella /defjam tour and back in 1997 i want too both the roca fella tour they tould me too cutt off my blunt........ Wack !!!!!!!!. Then when i went too up and smoke ......... Priceless!!!!... , but out of all old school mcs u done tried why not tupac because u know he still intill his death i dont give a fuckwhat u say he still sells all of his records surpass that bitch.... I think u dont like lyrics u like too see swag

 

[nujerz84]

I know that there is a huge discussion on right now about current rappers vs. past rappers....i thought I'd leave this right here just in case anyone wants to denounce Pun

[video=youtube;Wp2VmA0K-l4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp2VmA0K-l4[/video]

Mutha F**** fire water....

Big Pun shtis on Camron.....this is no question....Lyrically aint even close...

 

[joeyfkncrakk]

Point taken. Now explain what these late 90's to 2000 rappers have done better then the artists you have mentioned? I will concede to some degree that FLOWS and WORD PLAY have been advanced. But even to some degree one could argue, that Rakim,GRAP, PUN, KRS and others were on Par and perhaps beyond MC's today in this area.

I would be lying if I said I heard every damn jon from Rakim, KRS1,KOOL G, BDK.... Im not even sayin them niggas is wack cuz I know Rakim aint wack but why do people put the old school on a pedastool (spellcheck) for greatness... People just vault them to the top of greatness when they really got pushed to the curb in hip hop... them niggas didnt retire they got stopped...Most them so called retired MCs still tryna rap and the people who consider them goats aint even checked out for them dudes in the last 20 years but they saying Jay or Em hasnt done enough... Its been proven that you cant kick Jay-Z out of the rap game... he took hisself out and reallly retired and came back , took the crown all over again... Rakim tried to come back with Aftermath and Dre dropped his ass.. u dig what I'm saying... I'm appreciative to hearthe RunDMC's and shyt like that but I would say that the Clipse or OutKast would bury them lyrically... Im just keeping it 100, not disrespecting

 

[Kwan Dai]

I already said goodlooking out on doing what they did... don't make what they did greater than most top rappers today... yalll aint seeing me give respect but wanna keep bytching about the same shyt... When I say they get more credit... I'm saying they get more cred for classic albums that in the world today would be a lackluster album... I understand thats where it started and blah blah blah... but Im saying the bar is so high for our top MCs that when we eclipse the standards its still something else on why some1 isnt that good as we think or they havent did it for 20 years bullshyt or sum bogus ass excuse on why to diminish the greats ofour era and not appreciate their greatness but instead bitch and degrade good product that if the old schoool made it would be timeless classic shyt...

You are way out of touch my G. The way artists get signed and noticed today is even totally different. In the early days of Hip Hop these dudes RISKED LIFE AND LIMB LITERALLY to get this Hip Hop Shit off the floor. The venues these dudes was getting it in at MOST the FANS today WOULD NEVER EVER in a million years venture into. You are to wrapped up in recording an LP in the studio.

 

[Tha Grindhouse]

This is just bad in every direction. That just as bad as saying the cars built in the 60's etc aren't relevant to today's cars. Yes true, but I think the detail that's missing is you fail to put yourself in that time period. Your living in today's world and when those albums / artist your discrediting came out it was a different world altogether.

It was tight in it's time and that lead the way and made Hip Hop / rap what it is today. The argument of rappers from back then couldn't keep up with the rappers today and surpassing them LOL! That's like saying Micheal Jackson surpassed Elvis LOL! Of course he did, he's dead! Or jab at a retired rapper. That's as bad as releasing a dis track towards 2Pac today... it's irrelevant. That time has passed.

Everything evolves and get's better in time. In 30 years when you tell some teenager about Lil Wayne and how tight he was that kid is going to tell you your full of shit and that the latest artist is way better & Wayne couldn't even compete with it. Until then there is no point. You will understand then.

Just know that everything started somewhere and paved the way for what it is today.

 

[beeb]

yea im wit u on that BIG overrated cause aint no way u can compare him to tupac but ppl still do it. cause they had beef. he only had 1 fucking cd out lol

 

[Kwan Dai]

I would be lying if I said I heard every damn jon from Rakim, KRS1,KOOL G, BDK.... Im not even sayin them niggas is wack cuz I know Rakim aint wack but why do people put the old school on a pedastool (spellcheck) for greatness... People just vault them to the top of greatness when they really got pushed to the curb in hip hop... them niggas didnt retire they got stopped...Most them so called retired MCs still tryna rap and the people who consider them goats aint even checked out for them dudes in the last 20 years but they saying Jay or Em hasnt done enough... Its been proven that you cant kick Jay-Z out of the rap game... he took hisself out and reallly retired and came back , took the crown all over again... Rakim tried to come back with Aftermath and Dre dropped his ass.. u dig what I'm saying... I'm appreciative to hearthe RunDMC's and shyt like that but I would say that the Clipse or OutKast would bury them lyrically... Im just keeping it 100, not disrespecting

You couldn't be more wrong. You're suggested that these niggas just popped up and people just started blessing them with accolades. That's not how it worked homie. I am not disrespecting either but you just had to be there. We would argue for hours on end who was nicer. Kane, Ra, G, or Krs. They were different yet the same in so many ways one cannot even explain in detail.

For instance. KRS was one of first MC's to don guns on his Album and spit Raw on LP

Kane came with the more up tempo Flow, mixed with knowledge while incorporating the Ladies

Slick Rick Came with the Stories, Expensive Suits, Gucci Jewels etc.

Rakim, came with the Quiet killer, Lyrical, and intricate rhyme patterns and brokered the first MILLION DOLLAR deal.

I could go on and on. The point is, the artists get the CREDIT THEY DESERVE because they worked for it. In the studio, on tours, in the board rooms and fashion industry. They aren't revered the way they are for nothing and that's what you are implying.

 

[JokerzWyld]

I already said goodlooking out on doing what they did... don't make what they did greater than most top rappers today... yalll aint seeing me give respect but wanna keep bytching about the same shyt... When I say they get more credit... I'm saying they get more cred for classic albums that in the world today would be a lackluster album... I understand thats where it started and blah blah blah... but Im saying the bar is so high for our top MCs that when we eclipse the standards its still something else on why some1 isnt that good as we think or they havent did it for 20 years bullshyt or sum bogus ass excuse on why to diminish the greats ofour era and not appreciate their greatness but instead bitch and degrade good product that if the old schoool made it would be timeless classic shyt...

Nobody is making what they did greater than what's being done now. Of course the old school would have a lot classics by opinion because their albums had more time to stand the test of time. Also, those albums had more impact than a lot of stuff today. But like i said, the rappers we are fans of today were STANS of the rappers from their era. Nas wrote a song for Rakim, that shows love for a rapper he grew up on. Nas made a remake of a song by Slick Rick. That's no different than Elzhi & Fashawn remaking Illmatic to pay homage today.

As far as rappers from yesterday getting more credit than today, that's not true and that's why some of those rappers lash out in interviews. Lil Wayne has a lot of fans and sold a milli in 2 weeks, how many of those fans do you think know who KRS 1 is? That's what Nas was talking about "Carry On Tradition" from HHID. Cats don't even know who the rappers are that started all of this shit, and they don't care to know. Jeezy didn't even know Monie Love was a rapper when she was defending Nas on that famous radio interview. Ludacris said on MVP that he was "the first southern rapper on a primo beat" but Scarface rapped with Gangstarr on "Betrayal' 10 years earlier. Lupe wasn't even familiar with ATCQs catalog but decided to do a tribute to them. Fans and rappers don't give a lot of credit to rappers, because they don't know their accomplishments.

I think their is a huge disconnect between fans and the history of hip hop music. Hotstylz was looked at by old heads as wack for their song "Lookin Ass Nigga" but said nothing in the 90s when Pharcyde did "Ya Mama" back in the day. Both songs were basically niggaz playing the dozens with each other. Likewise, a lot of fans of Hotstylz may not even own nor know of the Pharcyde or Bizzarre Ryde II The Pharcyde. So basically audiences of certain fans gives credits to their favorites and flat out ignore other artists. I think too many people are stans of certain rappers and not fans of the genre & culture.

 

[joeyfkncrakk]

Big Pun shtis on Camron.....this is no question....Lyrically aint even close...

ok....I listened to half of that Big Pun's best flows or w/e its called and I wont front dude was spittin acid on a couple joints.. I still wouldnt put him in Jay-Z's class for shyt tho but he was a little better than I said.. he aint wack but he's not on Hova level.

I can drop Cam jewels on this thread like I said and blow this up but yall dont give respect when yall proven wrong so Im not gonna waste my time when I got pussy next to me...