"If there is a god, why does he allow so much suffering"

[CeLLaR-DooR]

Yh IMO that's a specious argument for atheism...

 

[waterproof]

Do some people really believe that (extreme) suffering disproves the idea of a god rather than just a compassionate god? I don't believe in a god, or any other supernatural entity, because I think the idea of a non-material 'spirit' is logically impossible, the existence of unbearable suffering has nothing to do with it. Before I became an atheist I believed in a non-interventionist god who was only capable of providing emotional support, it wasn't any personal or emotional 'trauma' that convinced me that there wasn't a god, I just decided to be honest with myself about what I genuinely believed. How people can explain an all-powerful and compassionate god who allows people to suffer is a completely separate issue from whether or not some kind of all-powerful, or at least supernatural, being exists.

Nigga done got the clouds and sunlight behind him and shit, YAHUWAH dont allow the suffering, dont believe that devil lie. Follow his laws and love him and love your neighbors and he will have a hedge around you, now imagine if everybody does that, we wouldnt even have this discussion. everything you looking for and asking is in the TORAH.

So to answer your question, people allow the suffering by listening to lucifer and breaking the most high laws

 

[BlackxChild]

Nigga done got the clouds and sunlight behind him and shit, YAHUWAH dont allow the suffering, dont believe that devil lie. Follow his laws and love him and love your neighbors and he will have a hedge around you, now imagine if everybody does that, we wouldnt even have this discussion. everything you looking for and asking is in the TORAH.

So to answer your question, people allow the suffering by listening to lucifer and breaking the most high laws

Lucifer has never talked to me and neither has god, thats why I dont believe this bullshit.

 

[Shuffington]

Do some people really believe that (extreme) suffering disproves the idea of a god rather than just a compassionate god? I don't believe in a god, or any other supernatural entity, because I think the idea of a non-material 'spirit' is logically impossible, the existence of unbearable suffering has nothing to do with it. Before I became an atheist I believed in a non-interventionist god who was only capable of providing emotional support, it wasn't any personal or emotional 'trauma' that convinced me that there wasn't a god, I just decided to be honest with myself about what I genuinely believed. How people can explain an all-powerful and compassionate god who allows people to suffer is a completely separate issue from whether or not some kind of all-powerful, or at least supernatural, being exists.

yeah, same here

 

[supaman4321]

Do men think that they will be left alone on saying, "We believe", and that they will not be tested?

We did test those before them, and Allah will certainly know those who are true from those who are false.

Surah 29:2-3

everybody gets tested nobody's life is perfect because this life isn't meant to be perfect, you deal with hardship now strive to be the best person you can be and remember Allah, be patient and remain thankful and you will be rewarded. Pretty simple, SubhanAllah

And to the people that don't believe in God I congratulate you because at least you aren't following something blindly, I only also hope that if you were truly be presented with the Evidence or the Sign that you accept it.

“Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in God has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And God hears and knows all things.”

2:256

If you were being honest with yourself then I have no doubt you will at least believe in a Creator

 

[Kushington]

So to answer your question, people allow the suffering by listening to lucifer and breaking the most high laws

So you blame "lucifer" for natural disasters, injury, famine, disease, disorders and disfigurements? What do people or the devil, or even god for that matter, have to do with these unfortunate events and situations?

 

[@My_nameaintearl]

everybody gets tested

So children who get gang raped in central Africa are being tested?

 

[Manik Sona]

All of that is confusing to me as well. I have had people of all religions explain their views and none of them coincide.

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

SMH, y'all try too hard.

 

[Kushington]

life is suffering and fleeting. we all have free will and it's a gift and a curse. through our free will and choices we not only create our own suffering but we create it for others as well. that freedom is a terrifying responsibility

How do you know you have free will? If every decision you made, as well as its subsequent outcome, was predetermined, you wouldnt know the difference

 

[waterproof]

So you blame "lucifer" for natural disasters, injury, famine, disease, disorders and disfigurements? What do people or the devil, or even god for that matter, have to do with these unfortunate events and situations?

Did i said i blame lucifier for naturals disater ect... I believe the T/S was asking why do people go through hardship. But i give my opiions on the questions you asked.

The natural disaters, first of all some of these natural disaters are the earth's defense mechanism, straight up. we raping this earth daily, polluting the air, cutting down it's lungs (cutting down trees in the amazon) and all types of shit, so it's going to defend it'self.

And disorders and disfigurements some of that is cause by the parents lack of nuturiton and not understanding which foods are good to eat, that's why there is a thing called The Dietary law. And some can be from the past life,

John 9:1 And as Yahushua passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.

9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

When Eve bit that apple she let Death, sin, diease into this world by listening to lucifer, before that Sin, death ect.. had no claim over man. Now thanks to Yahushua death dont have no cliam over man. but still it's around and if you follow YAHUWAH laws he will put a hedge around

 

[@My_nameaintearl]

what about the children that have been saved from such a fate? what about all the good there is in the world? who allows so much love and kindness and compassion in this world? who is responsible for that?

So your response to God's permissiveness of child gang rape is "well not ALL kids get gang raped."

I'm serious. How can you say it's a "test" for a kid to be raped (sometimes even to death) by a group of men? You've ducked the question once, I'd like a real answer.

 

[@My_nameaintearl]

Supaman4321 said the struggles of life are tests from God. I asked how the gang rape of a child is a good test for that child. YOU responded to me by asking "what about kids that don't get gang raped?"

Kai, please tell us from your religious perspective, why God allows kids to be gang raped and what he hopes they learn from these "tests."

And if you would like an example that has nothing to do with free will, let's talk about fistula. Fistula is a naturally occurring problem. It is not caused by human decisions. Why does God allow it to exist if he loves his creations?

If you don't know what fistula is, here's a brief summary:

"Fistula typically occurs due to obstructed labor. After being in labor for agonizing hours, and in some cases, days, without access to a doctor, the baby is generally delivered stillborn and the woman is left with a hole between her bladder, vagina and sometimes rectum. This results in uncontrollable leakage that is discovered early in the post-partum period. In some cases, the woman is also left crippled from nerve damage. "

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anika-rahman/fistula-an-american-rarit_b_601734.html

 

[waterproof]

@my_nameaintearl, i don't know how much clearer i can be, i've already answered that question in my other posts. god allows nothing, good or bad, we make suffering or joy through our own freewill and choices. if all the rapists choose right now to no longer rape people, there would be no more rape. if they didn't do it because god restricted them from it, then they are being controlled and little more than programmed robots. god doesn't restrict us from doing evil just like he doesn't restrict us from doing good.

unlike you (i'm assuming, i hope i'm not incorrect) i've actually lived much of the horrible suffering you speak of firsthand. i've seen enough death and suffering in my short life time, and all it of was at the hands of people who choose to subject me to all those atrocities. but just like there were so many evil people that destroyed my life in many ways and the lives of countless others, there were people who's kindness, love and compassion saved my life.

suffering exists, i know that, but i can not stop people from making their choices, i can only make my choices count for something. doing good, showing empathy and perpetuating love are the only ways to combat suffering imo. you can never stop people from choosing to create suffering tho, you can only stem the tide

dont even answer earl, this dude been on here since 2002 and will use 5 different alias in one thread asking you the same question, he's a joke and he eat pork. May the Most High keep you strong

 

[Kushington]

Waterproof

how could natural disasters be an intentional act of self defense by nature if theyve been occuring since and were crucial to the formation of the planet? Dinosaurs and other animals existed and died out millions of years before humans, were

they raping the planet as well, way before original sin?

 

[brainburn]

The argument doesn't work because God is defined as perfect to begin with. Any flaw you think you've found can never, by God's definition, actually be a flaw. Suffering is just emotionally disturbing... but I think a good question would be, why would God create us in a way that allows us to be so disturbed?

 

[_武赏_]

The cause of suffering is undisciplined and untrained minds. It can only be brought into the world through unpeaceful people.

(-)God does not give the world any suffering. Dumb people are the only thing I know that give suffering. They give suffering to themselves, and they give suffering to others.

(+)God isnt giving anyone i know any peace or happiness. Wise people are the only thing i know that give peace or happiness. They give peace and happiness to themselves, and they give it to others.

(=)God has nothing to do with the peace or suffering in our lives. Its the mind.

 

[alissowack]

If God exists, why allow anything to happen...not just suffering.

 

[young-king]

its called karma for instance those africans are the 1st people to ever put HIS chosen race in slavery so if an african suffers n starves n his head weighs more than his arms n legs i can give a damn. n on top of that its about not following HIS laws he lets u suffer just like HE let US suffer for not following HIM

 

[@My_nameaintearl]

god allows nothing

So he's not the lord of the universe. Interesting that you would admit that.

unlike you (i'm assuming, i hope i'm not incorrect) i've actually lived much of the horrible suffering you speak of firsthand.

Did you have a fistula problem?

I noticed you decided not to touch that issue. Why is that?