If Manning wins Another Ring

[bow to royalty]

first off...we can't have a debate on what if's...and u have never heard me say or anyone on t.v. even base everything off SB wins..do u not hear the analyst talk about the few QBs u can't blitz, reads the defense well..makes certain throws...the coach has total trust in blah blah...manning, brady, brees being a few in that group....

and u basing fg wins or discredting his wins for that is b.s. when field goals are a part of the game, and the reason the colts pick'd up Adam Vinatari as well...or the supply fact that a field goal kicker can't kick a field goal if his offense doesn't put him in position....so if manning wins the superbowl this year off the leg of his kicker then we can't give him full crdit cuz they won by a field goal..in fact we should now take away drew brees trip to the superbowl cuz they won by a field goal......that is just down right stupid in logic...

I didn't say you did. I said the analysts do. When they compare the QB's they say those things about Peyton, and they say Brady won 3 superbowls when choosing the better QB.

You misunderstood my point. I didn't discredit him or the victory with the example I gave. My point was too much credit is given/taken on the outcome of the SB rather than the quality of play of each QB. All I was saying was if the FG had been blocked and returned for a TD (or the FG was made, and the kickoff after was returned for a TD) would that make Brady any less of a QB? No, but it would take a SB away from him. That's my point. Neither QB would have been on the field, they both would have put up the same stats they put up, but the other QB (not Brady) would be getting all this credit, and sooo much credit would be taken from Brady. But why? He played the exact same game, just had different results. Why fault him for that? This is why I say superbowls are a team effort, and shouldn't be a big factor in a debate over individual talent. You see what I'm sayin?

 

[PanchoYoSancho]

Just cause i'm talking about the teams peformance in the SB doesn't mean i'm ignoring the fact they had a pretty good defense in their SB run, not out of this world but pretty good, i have never deny that-but dont sit there and act like the QB play was a factor in their run...and regradless of the journy...they still have to peform dont they not...defense wins championships but offenses do put up the points right...u can't win if u cant' out score ur opp. and colts winnng the SB in 06 was more on the defense then peyton right? and this year we can't deny the colts defense being pretty good right..so peyton shouldn't be looked at as the goat then if we are going off the whole "defense" wins championships arguement...

and lets not forget the panthers and eagles also had a good defense their respectable SB runs as well...the pats werent' facing the New York jets of those years in the SB now..

Umm....no, Im merely pointing out the fact that the Patriots have had an elite Defense nearly every year the past decade while the Colts have only had elite, or even above average Defenses, a couple times, and have had no running game in recent years.

You were stating Brady and Branch were "the main reason" the Patriots won their last two Super Bowls, and I disagree with you. The Defense just as valuable.

 

[Maalik]

Stats are the best way to judge a player IMO. But I agree achievements and heroics should be counted. I just don't see the superbowl as a very large factor because it's a team achievement. Crediting just a QB for that isn't fair. And even if you go based on stats Marino is not better than Manning. I posted that earlier. Manning has a better completion %, TD/INT ratio, QB rating, and will easily pass him for yards soon.

son.....thats assbackwards & a way for yall to keep yall arguement. If you're not gonna count the superbowl & the playoffs, which are football games, because of them being team sports, then why are we even counting the regular season, why are we counting stats, I mean Peyton Manning cant throw to himself. He's throwing to Wayne, Clark, Addai, Collie & Garcon. Since they're catchin the ball for him, hes not doing it all by himself, so its not good either.

see how dumb that argument sounds. Its quite stupid. so stop using that shit for Brady. The Whole game of football is a team sport, not just the Superbowl / Playoffs. The only non team sport is Golf.

How it Peyton so better than Brady when they both passed for over 4,000 yards this season, 30 touchdowns & 15 ints. Peyton has 20,000 more alltime yards, but, also played 4 more seasons that Brady. Brady wasnt in the league 98, 99 & didnt start in 2000 & got injured in 2008. Im sure Brady would be right in line as far as stats are concerned. Calm down......we know you like Peyton, but, jumpin around facts just to prove ya likes for Manning is obsurd. If both of these QBs had the same exact stats this year & one of them has 2 more Rings than the other, how is he the lesser QB. Please expain. And dont say Manning's personal style of play bcuz that doesnt make a QB. Montana had a horrible style of play when compared to Marino's robot like release but, no one in their right mind would say Marino was better.

Im done arguing with yall. Yall sound stupid as hell.

 

[Maalik]

Umm....no, Im merely pointing out the fact that the Patriots have had an elite Defense nearly every year the past decade while the Colts have only had elite, or even above average Defenses, a couple times, and have had no running game in recent years.

You were stating Brady and Branch were "the main reason" the Patriots won their last two Super Bowls, and I disagree with you. The Defense just as valuable.

But, Peyton had an elite offense. Players that Brady wouldve killed for.

I personally think yall posters & alot of people, including analysts, are just enamored with Manning because of what he could accomplish this year. People tend to bandwagon whoever is hot......kinda like how everyone was starting to bandwagon Drew Brees last year b4 he lost. Or kinda like how EVERYONE & THEIR PRIEST WERE BANDWAGONING TOM BRADY WHEN HE ALMOST WENT 19-0. SOMETHING PEYTON WASNT EVEN CLOSE TO. Im just saying...........people bandwagon too much because other than that..........there is no logical reasoning as to why you can say Peyton Manning is the better QB when you count in Rings, Playoff Wins, Wins/Losses between The Colts & The Patriots, Stats between Peyton & Brady. Besides All time Yards, Brady's production nearly mirrors Manning's every year, and since Peyton played a full 4 seasons extra than Brady, its kinda stupid to use that as a barometer of value between the two. This argument is really deaded on the fact that these two QBs are insanely equal in every sense of the word............but, that one beat the other a million times & has 3 rings to show for it.

Okay Im done. Im not arguing with yall niggas anymore. Yall not using anything but, opinion & yall mancrush on Peyton.

 

[bow to royalty]

son.....thats assbackwards & a way for yall to keep yall arguement. If you're not gonna count the superbowl & the playoffs, which are football games, because of them being team sports, then why are we even counting the regular season, why are we counting stats, I mean Peyton Manning cant throw to himself. He's throwing to Wayne, Clark, Addai, Collie & Garcon. Since they're catchin the ball for him, hes not doing it all by himself, so its not good either.

see how dumb that argument sounds. Its quite stupid. so stop using that shit for Brady. The Whole game of football is a team sport, not just the Superbowl / Playoffs. The only non team sport is Golf.

How it Peyton so better than Brady when they both passed for over 4,000 yards this season, 30 touchdowns & 15 ints. Peyton has 20,000 more alltime yards, but, also played 4 more seasons that Brady. Brady wasnt in the league 98, 99 & didnt start in 2000 & got injured in 2008. Im sure Brady would be right in line as far as stats are concerned. Calm down......we know you like Peyton, but, jumpin around facts just to prove ya likes for Manning is obsurd. If both of these QBs had the same exact stats this year & one of them has 2 more Rings than the other, how is he the lesser QB. Please expain. And dont say Manning's personal style of play bcuz that doesnt make a QB. Montana had a horrible style of play when compared to Marino's robot like release but, no one in their right mind would say Marino was better.

Im done arguing with yall. Yall sound stupid as hell.

There's a difference in saying Peyton threw 4,500 yards this year, and saying Brady won the Superbowl. A win is more a team achievement than the individual stats we talk about with QB's. And Manning's knowledge of the game, and ability to adjust does help set him apart.

I gave my logic on why superbowl wins aren't a very large factor earlier when I was talkin to Ghost. You can read it if you want. But basically it said why should your view of a QB's talent change based on the outcome of a game, if he played the exact same way. Like last week the Saints won in OT so people are talking highly of Brees. But what if instead the Vikings made a FG at the end of regulation. Why would that make Drew Brees performance any less impressive? He still would have put up the same numbers, so how could he be considered less talented? Just because he didn't win the NFC Championship. Also, if the Vikings won in OT would Favre be getting the same criticism for that late INT? Judge the QB's play based on their play. It's actually possible to play well and lose, or play poorly and win.

 

[Maalik]

he's been better than brady his whole career. Stats wise, and just in terms of accolades for an individual. Brady only has better team and postseason success because of his team having a better d than paytons. This year was the first where brady didn't have the better d and you see how far he went without it. If anybody says that payton ain't the better qb, they're just slobbin' brady's knob better than gisele could ever dream of doing......

lmao!!!!!!!

 

[Maalik]

Brady has had a better career in terms of Super bowl victories.he had mediocore recievers (one who was superbowl mvp by the way) but he had a good team in all the other positions.

Peyton has ALWAYS been a better QB in terms of talent. That shouldn't even be in question. If Peyton gets another ring, that just closes the gap between their resumes

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