If Jesus existed why is his race so relevant to certain people

[konceptjones]

All those writings are pagan my friend. They are not inspired by the God of this universe, rather they are inspired by the god of this age, Satan himself. The only credible, infallible, irrefutable, inerrant, and authoritative word is the word of God. Nothing more and nothing less.

God said that there is ONLY one way to heaven and that is through His Son, Jesus Christ. You either take it or you leave it. I believe God my brother. How bout you?

God did not say that at all. Again, if you quote pretty much anything from the New Testament, you're quoting the very satan you claim is misleading everyone else. Sauls writings were not from God. Until you learn that, you will be lost.

 

[tri3w]

Yeshua= Aramaic speaking Jew who was probably African or of Middle East distinction... race don't make it important but it does uplift one especially for blacks lol, can you imagine if whites had to conceed Yeshua was black... niggas would be running around clowning and yelling "In Ya Face Cracka" suicides and atheism would sky rocket

Or some sorta Mixture of both given the Region all the stories come from ...........To the bolded.........LMFAO sooo tru

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

God did not say that at all. Again, if you quote pretty much anything from the New Testament, you're quoting the very satan you claim is misleading everyone else. Sauls writings were not from God. Until you learn that, you will be lost.

So your telling me that satan said this?

"7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly"John 10:7-10

 

[ThaChozenWun]

So your telling me that satan said this?

"7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly"John 10:7-10

Yup, that's why he is considered the great deceiver, a title in which he seems to have filled out pretty well.

 

[judahxulu]

So your telling me that satan said this?

"7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly"John 10:7-10

Even if he did say that, he's only come but TO THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL. According to the new testament, you would have been referred to as a dog, gentile. So is the new testament infallible or not? Are you a dog or a believer? Cant have it both ways...

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Even if he did say that, he's only come but TO THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL. According to the new testament, you would have been referred to as a dog, gentile. So is the new testament infallible or not? Are you a dog or a believer? Cant have it both ways...

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." John 3:16-18

The "world" is not just Israel. And "whosoever" means "whosoever".

 

[janklow]

If Jesus existed why is his race so relevant to certain people

because if you're the same race as Jesus, then you win

 

[TheNEWICSUX]

Did Krishna die for you?

Not for nothin, cause I respect your belief & convictions, but aren't you a lil outta pocket here? I mean, this young woman is not Christian or Catholic. Your replies sound a lil like their intention is to convert her. She's a very spiritual person, and respectful of all religons, let her all believe what she believes.

One thing I really want to know is, when you were all quoting those passages, someone said that those were the words of Satan. Someone please enlighten me, it was also said that most of what's in the New Testament is from Satan's mouth. Someone clue me in.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

So your telling me that satan said this?

"7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly"John 10:7-10

That's not even Paul. That's Jesus speaking. I mean I understand that the dude mentioned the New Testament, but he did specifically note that Paul was the agent of the Devil, so why would you respond with the teachings of Jesus.

Anyway, whatever your religion is, if you honestly think it's impossible that God sent other messengers to other groups of people, you're not too bright. It wasn't the age of the internet when Jesus was alive. He could reach a lot of people and the disciples after him could reach a lot of people, but they certainly wouldn't reach everyone in the world. It would make sense that God would send other messengers to other groups of people to spread his message. After all, Jesus message can apply to anyone, but it was very culturally linked to the Jews since he was a Jew. You don't think God used similar messengers from other cultures to speak to the people of that culture? Jesus is the way to salvation for those who follow him. Is it not at least possible that God in his wisdom made other ways for people who were not in a position to follow Jesus?

On topic, the race of Jesus isn't important. The issue is that whites have whitewashed history for so long and their came a point where people tried to undo some of that. Jesus was just caught up in that struggle. It's sad though because now a lot of black people have overdone it and are essentially doing the same thing whites did. In their eyes Jesus has gone from being a white boy from Northern Italy to being a dread from Kingston, Jamaica.

 

[judahxulu]

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." John 3:16-18

The "world" is not just Israel. And "whosoever" means "whosoever".

I study and connect dots. You skim and cherry-pick.

"Only begotten son.."

Ex. 4:22 - And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel [is] my son, [even] my firstborn:

jer 31:9- 10 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim [is] my firstborn. (See 1 Chron. 5:1-2)

Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare [it] in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd [doth] his flock.

Hosea 11:1 When Israel [was] a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

Jer. 50:4-6 In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the LORD their God.

They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, [saying], Come, and let us join ourselves to the LORD in a perpetual covenant [that] shall not be forgotten.

My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away [on] the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

Matt. 10:5-6 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.



Matt 15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, [thou] Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.



Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast [it] to dogs.

Luke 1:68- Blessed [be] the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

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You were saying something about sons and sheep? Huh?

Either the author of John was lying, somebody altered it or the Creator is lying....Which one is it? Being that Yeshua had no other reference to teach from but the Tanach I'm inclined to believe a Greek manuscript written in a time of Hellenist occupation would not reflect the best interests of those peoples whose land was being occupied. Especially if their resistance to this occupying force depended heavily on a Messianic expectation.

Why does it escape you that the Hellenists manipulate the texts of the so-called new Testament?You either dont really read the book you claim to live by, or you suffer from a chronic case of dedicated ignorance. I think its a bit of both. You couldn't pick up and fully understand the story in an issue of X-Men, a Steven King novel or even a Dr.Suess book if you start from the middle and ignore the entire first half of the book. You cats think you can do that with the Bible? Especially after all the dirty, devilish hands its been passed through for centuries? SMH @ you and everybody like you. Yeshua (allegedly) spoke about people like you....

Mar. 7:6-7 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with [their] lips, but their heart is far from me.

Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men

 

[And Step]

Wouldn't the most important thing and by far the most important thing be his love, message and forgivness, teaching people how to live life the best way and sacricfice

I think religion can be dangerous when we look at history but a lotta people have been debating was Jesus white or was he black or was he Jewish mainly Christians but Krishna another God is confirmed as being black but not many people put a lotta emphasis on Krishna being black but argue about Jesus race

It isn't relevant per se to somebody who is on a higher spiritual plane. But it is relevant to what some did with the so-called image of Jesus, and that is establish the concept of white supremacy. This is an undeniable fact. White Europeans used the white image of Jesus to anchor their doctrine of white supremacy. The quantifiable damage is bad enough, but the psychological damage done by hoisting a Barry Gibb looking, Greenwich Village living, Burkenstock wearing mofo as a Saviour on the psyche of a people who were reduced to beast, by the oppressor who looks exactly the same, and told and treated in every way they are inferior, can cause great damage.

Make no mistake about it. This was intentional and very succesful I might add.

But it's just par for the course. Change is here................

This is a question that should be addressed to Caucasians, black people never really had a problem with a white Jesus. How many Caucasians would have a problem with a Jesus that looked like Tupac?

 

[judahxulu]

It isn't relevant per se to somebody who is on a higher spiritual plane. But it is relevant to what some did with the so-called image of Jesus, and that is establish the concept of white supremacy. This is an undeniable fact. White Europeans used the white image of Jesus to anchor their doctrine of white supremacy. The quantifiable damage is bad enough, but the psychological damage done by hoisting a Barry Gibb looking, Greenwich Village living, Burkenstock wearing mofo as a Saviour on the psyche of a people who were reduced to beast, by the oppressor who looks exactly the same, and told and treated in every way they are inferior, can cause great damage.

Make no mistake about it. This was intentional and very succesful I might add.

But it's just par for the course. Change is here................

This is a question that should be addressed to Caucasians, black people never really had a problem with a white Jesus. How many Caucasians would have a problem with a Jesus that looked like Tupac?

LOL! as soon as i read that 'HAIL MARY!" was the first thing that popped in my head..

 

[Ioniz3dSPIRITZ]

The race or "color" of Yeshua has never been an issue until recent times. Racial supremacy was non-existent in ancient times so the color or race of Yeshua was completely irrevalent. However I could be very wrong. But it seems to me that the distinction between black and white was overlooked and unimportant until the rise of white supremacy.

 

[Conscious212]

Good topic T/S. People have always wanted to claim people of excellence an achievement as their own. They want to believe this person identifies with their cultural self and their lifestyle. Nationalism is a funny thing; But I find it funny, when I was younger and went to a "black church" there was a HUGE maybe 5o ft tall painting of a blonde blue eyed Jesus, and I would just lol, and say why is he depicted as white? Go to any catholic church and you'll see the same bullshit. I'm not even a christian but the bible states Jesus had hair of brass and skin of bronze, he probably looked more middle eastern and arab like. But the catholic Pope likened the image of Jesus to his son Cesar Bourgea (sp) they look the same lol, also there is an image of a man named Serapis, who also was the prototye of the Jesus image

 

[Conscious212]

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." John 3:16-18

The "world" is not just Israel. And "whosoever" means "whosoever".

No, the bible states that Jesus said in Mathew 15:24 "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."[/B That is a contradiction to what you posted, I know the passage you reference is also in the bible, but its obvious someone has tampered with what Jesus said, because that is an absolute contradiction to what he previously said, contradiction in religious scripture can only mean one thing; the entire religion is false, because a contradiction would not make it the infallible word of God, it would be the fallible word of men; therefore it would have no divine authority or implication, case closed.

 

[gee757]

Wouldn't the most important thing and by far the most important thing be his love, message and forgivness, teaching people how to live life the best way and sacricfice

u need 2 come 2 emerica & preach that 2 these white evil redneck devilz n this country...lol

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

I have one question for those who continue to say that Jesus Christ was only sent to save the lost sheep of the house of Israel; how do you reconcile the passages in the book of revelation which speak of there being multitudes of people from every tribe, nation, kindred, and tongue signing praises to God in heaven?

"9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb." Revelation 7:9-10


"6And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. 8And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." Revelation 5:6-10

Who are these people in heaven from every kindred, tongue, tribe, people, and nation? If Jesus only saves people from the nation of Israel, who are these other people in heaven? Does God not know what He is talking about?

 

[loch121]

it's important because the truth is important.it does make a difference cuz making Jesus white makes un educated blacks think and pray to a white god.It's our history and a lot of blacks are turned off by christianity cuz they don't even know jesus was black.It makes a big difference in the context of race relations cuz if we are truly descendants of God ,the ppl who change god must be a descendant from something else.I'm into truth.If Jesus was black make him black.The real question is why do they feel the need to make famous blacks white in history?cuz they know what their doing

fight the power and go listen to Ras Kass Nature of the threat

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[The Lonious Monk]

Jesus, the human, was only sent to save the people of Israel because those are the only people he could address at the time. He was only one man and Technology was not such for him to touch the whole world. That is why he had disciples. It was their job to carry on and spread the word after he died. However, Jesus' sacrifice was made for everyone. Any one who believes in him can be connected to the Father and find salvation. In other words, during Jesus' life, his message was for those by which he was surrounded, the Jews. However, anyone can be saved through Jesus' message and sacrifice regardless of race, color, and creed.

 

[judahxulu]

I have one question for those who continue to say that Jesus Christ was only sent to save the lost sheep of the house of Israel; how do you reconcile the passages in the book of revelation which speak of there being multitudes of people from every tribe, nation, kindred, and tongue signing praises to God in heaven?

"9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb." Revelation 7:9-10


"6And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. 8And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." Revelation 5:6-10

Who are these people in heaven from every kindred, tongue, tribe, people, and nation? If Jesus only saves people from the nation of Israel, who are these other people in heaven? Does God not know what He is talking about?

Funny how yall ignore things that dont fit into your agenda....Obviously Israel isnt the only nation the Creator has chosen for a certain mission. I never insinuated that. You are drawing that conclusion because you ignore the multiple references to Sons of God all throughout the Bible before the New Testament. So therefore your premise that God= Jesus has you too narrow-minded to acknowledge various contradictions and alterations throughout.

The burden of proof is ON YOU to explain why Yeshua said "I have come but to the lost sheep of Israel" in one NT book and then in another NT book the message is that of universal salvation. Quit trying to be slick...I dont consider the New testament to be the infallible word of God in its entirety- you do. If Jesus is God to you- then why are you ignoring EXACTLY what he said and placing more importance over what somebody else who didnt even actually walk with him or know him said about him i.e. Paul of Tarsus and one of the 3 people that assumed the pseudonym John. So answer me first- if Yeshua is God then why did he say "I have come but to the lost sheep of Israel"? And since its right there in the book that he says that, then why are you a Christian? He NEVER mentioned Christianity or that he was starting a new religion.

Its hilarious that youre asking me "does God not know what hes talking about"...Jesus is your God---and he called gentiles dogs as plain as day...does your god not know what hes talking about?