Ice Cube appreciation Thread

[usmarin3]

Everything you said about the effect of the Chronic is true. But is one who "lived" in that era (yes old head)
I have a better understanding of the circumstances surrounding why that album was so anticipated and brought by all.

The big beef between Dre leaving NWA and his respond to Eazy.

Same as to why everybody was waiting on 50 to drop. The circumstance of his and Ja's beef. Which in return gave the album greater "impact"

Not so much because the albums music value was so far on this another level.

Everybody and everything is a victim of circumstances, you cant' just act like it only happened to The Chronic. Same shit could be said to about Illmatic and Nas's verse on Live at the BBQ and him meeting MC Search. Same shit for Biggie running into Mr. Cee who has connects, Puffy getting fired from Uptown and people wanting to see what his next move was. Everyone and everything is all about timing!

 

[lamontbdc]

Dre's biggest production step forward was Niggaz4life. That shit was beyond ahead of it's time production wise. It gets overlooked a lot b/c that was the 1st cd without cube but he production on that cd was flawless.

 

[gee757]

all i know is a person who dont write they own rimez cant drop no klassik...

 

[usmarin3]

I feel Illmatic is the greater album than the Chronic because even til this day it's being study and analyst for it's lyrical and production value (the true testament of a classic)

NOT it's temporary impact and influence on the musical landscape

That's your opinion, but that album had no where the impact that the Chronic did, it was a niche album when it dropped. I remember specifically that year, people bumping Doggystyle, 36 Chambers (going nuts over Method Man),etc, Illmatic wasn't as impactful as some people like to believe. Same shit with Reasonable Doubt to be fair!

 

[usmarin3]

so a person who dont write they own rimez can drop klassikz now????

WTF does that have to do with whether a piece of work is classic, there are lots of artist who record timeless music who never wrote it. Look at Motown artists, they have a gang of songwriters for Diana Ross, Temptations,etc.

Dre has never claimed to be a mc or write his own lyrics, his specialty is producing, and mixing. Plus lets not act like Kanye has written all his music too.

 

[gee757]

WTF does that have to do with whether a piece of work is classic, there are lots of artist who record timeless music who never wrote it. Look at Motown artists, they have a gang of songwriters for Diana Ross, Temptations,etc.

Dre has never claimed to be a mc or write his own lyrics, his specialty is producing, and mixing. Plus lets not act like Kanye has written all his music too.

lol@ u...i know damn well u aint comparin singerz 2 rapperz come on smh r&b singerz can get away wit it but not rapperz...i dont care wat u say if u cant write ya own RAPZ u should not b rappin & ye may have ghostwritterz but atleast he can write his own shit & gay azz dre cant write a lick!

 

[Tupacfan]

I appreciate this clip! thanks for sharing!

And that's good he waited to finis those tracks than putting it out there!

I'll be coppin that new album on the 28th!

 

[hrap-120]

2gangsta4radio...

Good looks GEE Imma have to cop that.....

"Fuckin A' dude why is your hand black"!!

Eric Sermon and Cold 187 for sure.
Dre only added deeper baselines to what they already had in progress.

And i'll say the Chroinc is Top 15.

The shit still bangs today but sounds stale and dated compared to RZA's and Premo illest tracks back than
(which you can STILL find something new in them no matter how many times you've heard)

Chronic is Top 20 on mine I might be one of the few people that put "Straight Outta Compton" before "Chronic".
The green-eyed bandit was working them funk samples way back, my dad had all them albums.
Yep people forget that Cold 187 (Big Hutch) was a big part of that sound and Hutch has been vocal about it in many interviews

Rza is someone who actually brought something new sonically, and he dosent get the credit he deserves, he didnt hi-jack George Clintons steez
he came up with his own sound the grimey drums, sound-effects, dat-machine skits, kung-fu samples, the vocal-moans....

The hottest producer of the last 10 years Kanye West cites RZA as his biggest influence, not Dr. Dre.

Preemo is the GOAT, I dont even have to speak on that one.

 

[lamontbdc]

how we gonna talk about g funk and nobody not say a word about ant banks and too short and they played most of their own instruments. they were doing that shit in the 80's before everybody

 

[Tupacfan]

how we gonna talk about g funk and nobody not say a word about ant banks and too short and they played most of their own instruments. they were doing that shit in the 80's before everybody

U took me back with Ant Banks!! Dam..

 

[hrap-120]

LOL at the Chronic not being top 10, Puffy and Biggie themselves said they modelled Ready to Die after the Chronic. I remembered when the Chronic dropped and i live down South, that album was all over the streets, i bet you can't name 5 albums that had that type of effect. The Chronic was coastless, it was raceless, etc, i don't care what your biases were, damn near everyone was playing that shit. It put Snoop,Daz and Kurrupt, Lady of Rage,etc all on the map, and established one of the greatest dynasty in rap.

Illmatic didn't do that, Reasonable Doubt didn't do that, Paid in full didn't do that, Southern Playalistic didn't do that,etc. You would have to live through that era to remember how big that album was, it brought the world into a day and the life of west coast rap.

1.)" "Illmatic" Nas"
2.) "Paid in Full" Eric B and Rakim
3.) "It takes a Nation of Millions to Hold us Back" Public Enemy
4.) "Enter the Wu-Tang 36 Chambers" Wu tang Clan
5.) "Amerikkkas Most Wanted" Ice Cube
6.) "Straight outta Compton' N.W.A
7.) "Me against the World" Tupac
8.) "Aquemani" Outkast
9.) "The Low end Theory" A Tribe called Quest
10.) "Only Built for Cuban linx niggaz" Raekwon feat Ghostface

Am i the only nigga that can care less about a Dre album? Dont get me wrong he put out good production but this nigga dont have shit to say in his raps......

Islam Moor. (Nobel Drew PBUH )

You aint the only one.

 

[gee757]

Good looks GEE Imma have to cop that.....

"Fuckin A' dude why is your hand black"!!

geez i dont know mayb cuz i am lol....

 

[a.mann]

how we gonna talk about g funk and nobody not say a word about ant banks and too short and they played most of their own instruments. they were doing that shit in the 80's before everybody

I don't considered what $hot and Banks did G-Funk

It was "pure" Funk far as I'm concerned.

Even til this day it does not sound dated or stale. Like they just went into the stud and lay it down

and No they do not get the apprecation and regonation they deserve

Sonically Cocktales is better than tha Chronic....and is far easier to "visit" regardless of your mood

meaning as I said before The Chronice has a more nostalgic feel to it which dates it...you have to be in "the mood"

 

[BillDance]

Am i the only nigga that can care less about a Dre album? Dont get me wrong he put out good production but this nigga dont have shit to say in his raps......

c/s..great beats but wtf could a 50 year old dre rap about

 

[dalyricalbandit]

As much as i like em music i dont see how dre had time to work on his albums but when snoop or cube to people who helped him out in the earlier yrs (chronic & nwa) need him he vanishes

 

[a.mann]

i'll like to know what are all these "great" beats Dre has had in the last decade some of you speaking on

Good.....maybe not great

 

[hrap-120]

Islam Brotha......I just dont get the Dre hype he aint said nothing in his 20 plus rap career worth mentioning....u would expect some of Ice Cube to rub off on him but i guess not we aint all built the same.

After NWA broke up Ice Cube started rolling with the late great Gen. Khalid Abdul Muhammad and the Nation of Islam, he also started working with Public Enemy & Proff Griff.

Dr. Dre ran to Suge for protection from Eazy, and then he ran to Jimmy Iovine for protection from Suge, now he's just trying to work with Emenim.

As much as i like em music i dont see how dre had time to work on his albums but when snoop or cube to people who helped him out in the earlier yrs (chronic & nwa) need him he vanishes

Ice Cube was Dre's ghostwriter and made half of the music the group put out. The group crumbled without Ice Cube.
Snoop Dogg helped revitalize Dre's career and then Dre made that awful "Dr Dre Presents Aftermath".

..if Jimmy Iovine hadnt convinced Dre to sign Emenim, and if Emenim wouldnt have signed 50Cent were would Dre be?? Timbaland status probably.

Dre is just being selfish, it doesent take 10 yrs to make a damn album, especially when you use ghostwriters and give the majority of your beats to one rapper named Emenim.

 

[ChuckieInDaMurderAve]

Tbh, I think Cube should have gotten DJ Slip (from Compton's Most Wanted) and DJ Quik for production, they'd give him that west coast vibe with that Cali sunshine, unlike what we got in the end.

how we gonna talk about g funk and nobody not say a word about ant banks and too short and they played most of their own instruments. they were doing that shit in the 80's before everybody

Good shout, but Banks and Short didn't work together until Short discovered Spice 1 who introduced him to Banks and there did it start with Shorty the Pimp from 92. That's what I've heard anyways and find it kinda funny that Banks gave Spice 1 the type of beats Short used on Life is Too Short from 88 but he gave Short some fresh, modernized versions of that pure funk. And they didn't go g-funk until 93's Get In Where You Fit In.

And in terms of funk jams, you can't forget Whodini, they had some of that melodic stuff way back in 84, just listen to "Friends", many rappers including 2Pac sampled the beat ("Troublesome 96"). As it remains, I'd say Erick Sermon deserves the credit for making funk samples popular, no one ever sampled "More Bounce to the Ounce" till E-Dub did it on "You Gots to Chill" and after that everybody was on that song's nuts. Kinda funny, the first producer to sample Zapp was not even from the west. Props to Erick for going outside of the box way back in 88!

 

[Stew]

..if Jimmy Iovine hadnt convinced Dre to sign Emenim, and if Emenim wouldnt have signed 50Cent were would Dre be?? Timbaland status probably. [/I]

If this, if that lol It happened thats why he's still gettin talked about today.

 

[thesynthesis]

i cant take userman seriously

so Chronic is a masterpiece classic but All Eyes On Me aint?

AEOM>CHRONIC