IC, what are your true personal thoughts on Muslims/Islam?

[Bwoahmizzee]

good back and forth

I'm impressed

 

[Ibex]

If you were allowed to eat Mcrib sandwiches Islam would be GOAT

 

[And Step]

Jesus Christ never did preach Muhammad. I'm not going to debate something that's not even debatable.

Your talking about stuff that's skim milk. Where the meat and potatoes at AndStep?

You must live in LA, because you are a helluva Dodger.

Of Course he didn't preach Muhammad. Muhammad came after him.

And it is not skim milk. If the translators changed whole meaning of text, then that should be serious, if you claim to want the truth. If Billions of people believe it is the name and not the way, then they would be in trouble. That is why you have people in church wilding out, because they think all they got to do is say my name, say my name, instead of living the life.

And weak ass preachers, play on this and get our people all emotionally charged without encouraging them to change, so they can fatten themselves by bringing home feel good sessions instead of do good sessions.

Stop playing.....................

 

[And Step]

In truth, all adherants to religious expressions are going to have to undergo a transformation and evolve past current understanding, because it is clear the good that most purport or intend to do, has been hijacked and rendered ineffective by outdated application and child-like understanding.

The world is not being affected by theistic expressions but theistic expression is being affected by the world

 

[Mellow Hype]

That's why Jesus Christ is more than just a regular man. He is the seed of the woman promised to the world in Genesis 3:15. The virgin birth declares the Deity of Jesus Christ.

But its scientifically impossible.

 

[And Step]

And for the record, The Bible doesn't not say in the book of Matthew that a virgin shall give birth. It says that a Virgin shall conceive. Many virgins conceive. It's just that when they conceive they are no longer virgins.

The Book of Matthew clearly delineated Jesus lineage. It starts with Jesse and ends with Joseph. Not Mary. It further states that he was the seed of David according to the flesh. Joseph was from the lineage of David. Which also means since Joseph and Mary had other Children(according to the Bible), then he could not be the only begotten son of whoever his Father was. The Bible says he was the Son of God by the spirit of holiness. Not that God was his physical impreganating Mary.

Scholars try to make his Birth more miraculous than it was so they can spin the rest of their foolishness.

Joseph was his father. And he was more than likely a member of the monastic community called the Essenes during those missing teenage and young adult years.

Deal with it............

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

You must live in LA, because you are a helluva Dodger.

Of Course he didn't preach Muhammad. Muhammad came after him.

And it is not skim milk. If the translators changed whole meaning of text, then that should be serious, if you claim to want the truth. If Billions of people believe it is the name and not the way, then they would be in trouble. That is why you have people in church wilding out, because they think all they got to do is say my name, say my name, instead of living the life.

And weak ass preachers, play on this and get our people all emotionally charged without encouraging them to change, so they can fatten themselves by bringing home feel good sessions instead of do good sessions.

Stop playing.....................

Your talking about milk AndStep. Faith without works is dead. Why do you continually harp on stuff than even a babe in Christ should know? Meat and potatoes are what I need.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

But its scientifically impossible.

"With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." Mark 10:27

 

[And Step]

Your talking about milk AndStep. Faith without works is dead. Why do you continually harp on stuff than even a babe in Christ should know? Meat and potatoes are what I need.

I think you are fine in the milk stage. If I gave you meat and potatoes you would probably choke, or post a scripture to sidetrack the issue. LOL

It's cool though, if you think the current exegesis is sufficient, go ahead player, but like you said, in the end we'll see.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

And for the record, The Bible doesn't not say in the book of Matthew that a virgin shall give birth. It says that a Virgin shall conceive. Many virgins conceive. It's just that when they conceive they are no longer virgins.

The Book of Matthew clearly delineated Jesus lineage. It starts with Jesse and ends with Joseph. Not Mary. It further states that he was the seed of David according to the flesh. Joseph was from the lineage of David. Which also means since Joseph and Mary had other Children(according to the Bible), then he could not be the only begotten son of whoever his Father was. The Bible says he was the Son of God by the spirit of holiness. Not that God was his physical impreganating Mary.

Scholars try to make his Birth more miraculous than it was so they can spin the rest of their foolishness.

Joseph was his father. And he was more than likely a member of the monastic community called the Essenes during those missing teenage and young adult years.

Deal with it............

I hope your really not trying to insinuate that Joseph is the natural father of Jesus Christ because Matthew's interest in Jesus' relation to the Old Testament and the Messianic kingdom makes it appropriate that he give Joseph's descent from David through Solomon - a descent that is also Jesus' legal descent - and thus gives him legal claim to the Davidic throne.

The gospel of Matthew was written for the religious man. The religious Jew specifically. Thus the genealogy is given in order to establish Jesus legal right to the Davidic throne. Something that the religious Jew would definitely be interested in.

 

[And Step]

I hope your really not trying to insinuate that Joseph is the natural father of Jesus Christ because Matthew's interest in Jesus' relation to the Old Testament and the Messianic kingdom makes it appropriate that he give Joseph's descent from David through Solomon - a descent that is also Jesus' legal descent - and thus gives him legal claim to the Davidic throne.

The gospel of Matthew was written for the religious man. The religious Jew specifically. Thus the genealogy is given in order to establish Jesus legal right to the Davidic throne. Something that the religious Jew would definitely be interested in.

Now here is where you make up shit because you can't adequately defend that point.

You adding all this stuff about what you thought Matthew meant to do but you can't back none of that up with the Bible. That is false doctrine because mistakes have been made and they can't clean them all up. Sorry DoU.

I don't have to insinuate because the book says it clearly. Jesus was the seed of david according to the flesh. the flesh. The flesh. Joseph was the seed of David, not Mary. Point Blank, Period. Joseph was his physical father and God was his spiritual. Happens all the time. You are more Catholic than you realize being that they invented that doctrine.

And the David through Solomon is one generation. The Book givees the lineage from Jesse to Joseph.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Now here is where you make up shit because you can't adequately defend that point.
You adding all this stuff about what you thought Matthew meant to do but you can't back none of that up with the Bible. That is false doctrine because mistakes have been made and they can't clean them all up. Sorry DoU.

I don't have to insinuate because the book says it clearly. Jesus was the seed of david according to the flesh. the flesh. The flesh. Joseph was the seed of David, not Mary. Point Blank, Period. Joseph was his physical father and God was his spiritual. Happens all the time. You are more Catholic than you realize being that they invented that doctrine.

And the David through Solomon is one generation. The Book givees the lineage from Jesse to Joseph.

The bible says clearly that the Holy Spirit conceived Jesus in the womb of Mary without Josephs help. Now please show me where in the Bible something other than this is stated.

 

[Jonas.dini]

At least for the moment, I'ma pass on this one

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

"26And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. 28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." Luke 1:26-35

The virginity of Mary is mentioned 3 times in this passage. She even mentions it herself when talking to the Angel Gabriel in verse 34. So is God a liar? Nay, but let God be true and all men liars!

 

[lovelycreation]

Crazy, most are controlling, women beaters. Fuck em!

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

"18Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 19Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. 20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. 24Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS." Matthew 1:18-25

If Joseph was the father of Jesus, why was he troubled when he found out that Mary was pregnant? Why did the Angel of the Lord appear to him in order to clarify that Mary conceived Jesus miraculously?

Is God lying? God forbid! For let God be true and all men liars!

 

[And Step]

The bible says clearly that the Holy Spirit conceived Jesus in the womb of Mary without Josephs help. Now please show me where in the Bible something other than this is stated.

Romans 1:1

concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness

Matthew 1

And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; 13And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; 14And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; 15And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; 16And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Jesus is the seed of David according to the flesh. Joseph is the seed of David. Not Mary. End of discussion.

 

[lovelycreation]

tell us what made you draw this conclusion besides the myth that is perpetuated on television. so am i right to assume that all chirstians are child molesters and pedophiles?

Its "christians" not chiristians, If you looked at what, I've posted "most". I don't watch television, what makes you assume that?? btw. I'm speaking on the muslims, I know.

 

[And Step]

"26And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. 28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." Luke 1:26-35

The virginity of Mary is mentioned 3 times in this passage. She even mentions it herself when talking to the Angel Gabriel in verse 34. So is God a liar? Nay, but let God be true and all men liars!

With all thy getting, get Understanding.

Nowhere in that passage did it say that God impregnated her. The closest you can get is the Holy Spirit came upon her. Well check this out doctor. The Spirit came in the person and form of a man. As all spirits do. Joseph.

There is no spirit that is independent of matter. If the spirit impregnated her then the baby would be a spirit only. The Law of Genesis says everthing begats after it's own kind.

Anger, Lust, hatred, Envy, Joy, etc are all spirits. But these spirits are manifested through Human Beings, not empty space. That is a immature understanding of what that means. With all that you know go down to the store and get you a bottle of anger. How about a pint of happiness? A quart of joy?

SMH, at people still believing spookily. Nah God aint lying, but men are and do based on their infantile understanding of scriptures.

Jesus came through the vissicitudes of life like every one else. He just made up his mind to overcome, not give in to them.

And you claimed you wanted meat?

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Romans 1:1

concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness

Matthew 1
And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; 13And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; 14And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; 15And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; 16And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Jesus is the seed of David according to the flesh. Joseph is the seed of David. Not Mary. End of discussion.

No one is denying that. What you are trying to imply is that Joseph literally begot Jesus, which is not the case.

Jesus was born of Mary, which verse 16 clearly states.

If your implying that Joseph is the natural father of Jesus Christ you are a heretic. End of discussion.