IC, what are your true personal thoughts on Muslims/Islam?

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Mellow Hype;2925956 said:
Why doesnt your relegion say nething about not eating pig? Y would god let his people eat something filled with disease and grime?

"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you."
Leviticus 11:7

If you desire to live under the law, you can. But it will only bring death.

That's why Jesus Christ came to fulfill the law. And when you live in Him, there is no longer any condemnation! Hallelujah!
 
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Mellow Hype;2926010 said:
it really is bruh. it hasnt been touched. The only way it might be stlighty altared is when its translated to english

I just can't believe that for a second my dude..and even the one translation to english or any other language there could be alot changed. And over time it could have evolved drastically--there's no way to KNOW unless you've read the original copies in Arabic and compared them with the volumes today.
 
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;2926049 said:
Well that's why Jesus came only to save those who are sick. He didn't come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Jesus came. But nobody came in that bitch Marry. She was a virgin. Yet she had a kid. How is this possible? My understanding was you needed to pump some man juice into a broad to have a kid.
 
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kai_valya;2926058 said:
and this is the problem we have with your religion. god to us is all powerful and has no need to have 3 forms. he is one, and that is all

Ok then why did he need Muhammad?
 
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;2925908 said:
Jesus Christ never mentioned Muhammed or Allah my friend.

But Jesus Christ did talk about Moses, Jonah, Daniel, John the Baptist, and Elijah. The true prophets of God.

That is a bit of twisted logic my friend. Jesus never mentioned what he taught as Christianity, either. Nor did he call himself nor his followers, Christians. Matter of fact, it was his enemies who labelled them that. Just like it was his enemies who created the cross as a symbol of capital punishment, yet Christians world wide wear it around the necks. That is akin to Jews wearing swatikas, and family of deatrow victims wearing electric chairs.

And for you to say he never mentioned Allah or Muhammad is arguable. Jesus never knew the word God if we take the etymological, historical context of his life. God is a greek word. Jesus more than likely spoke Aramaic or Ancient Hebrew. If you go to the Middle East now, Christians call God, Allah, because that is the language they speak and spoke in that region. Aramaic, Arabic, and Hebrew are very similar and were widely used in that region.

In the Ancient Akaddian Language, the word Allah exists. Hebrew, Aramaic, and Arabic can all be found rooted in this language and others.

Interesting side note. Jesus according to the Bible, always greeted his disciples with the phrase Peace be unto you. So this probably meant given the language of his day, he probably said Shalom Alechum or As-salaam-Alaikum.

Food for thought
 
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kai_valya;2926058 said:
and this is the problem we have with your religion. god to us is all powerful and has no need to have 3 forms. he is one, and that is all

God is one. Your missing the whole point.
 
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Mellow Hype;2926061 said:
Jesus came. But nobody came in that bitch Marry. She was a virgin. Yet she had a kid. How is this possible? My understanding was you needed to pump some man juice into a broad to have a kid.

That's why Jesus Christ is more than just a regular man. He is the seed of the woman promised to the world in Genesis 3:15. The virgin birth declares the Deity of Jesus Christ.
 
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kai_valya;2926083 said:
we don't refer to him as allah's begotten son. muhammed is a prophet just like jesus and moses. men chosen by god to give us his message, they are not a different form of god. that's the most blasphemous thing you could say in islam, that god has a begotten son. that's actually quite an insult to god in our opinion

The thing is muhammed never spoke for God.

God said that in these last days, He has spoken to us through His Son. This was spoken by God almost 500+ years prior to Muhammed even being born.
 
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kai_valya;2926083 said:
we don't refer to him as allah's begotten son. muhammed is a prophet just like jesus and moses. men chosen by god to give us his message, they are not a different form of god. that's the most blasphemous thing you could say in islam, that god has a begotten son. that's actually quite an insult to god in our opinion

You make it sound like we're claiming God fornicated Mary..nah that's why we refer to her as The Virgin Mary.

Mellow Hype;2926071 said:
He spoke through him.

And we as Christians believe God was more hands-on and came down himself in the form of Jesus to speak.
 
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I believe that they shouldn't be as oppressed and persecuted as much as they do, solely due to their beliefs (and ethnic backgrounds)

Muslims are cool with me...
 
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And Step;2926085 said:
That is a bit of twisted logic my friend. Jesus never mentioned what he taught as Christianity, either. Nor did he call himself nor his followers, Christians. Matter of fact, it was his enemies who labelled them that. Just like it was his enemies who created the cross as a symbol of capital punishment, yet Christians world wide wear it around the necks. That is akin to Jews wearing swatikas, and family of deatrow victims wearing electric chairs.

And for you to say he never mentioned Allah or Muhammad is arguable. Jesus never knew the word God if we take the etymological, historical context of his life. God is a greek word. Jesus more than likely spoke Aramaic or Ancient Hebrew. If you go to the Middle East now, Christians call God, Allah, because that is the language they speak and spoke in that region. Aramaic, Arabic, and Hebrew are very similar and were widely used in that region.

In the Ancient Akaddian Language, the word Allah exists. Hebrew, Aramaic, and Arabic can all be found rooted in this language and others.

Interesting side note. Jesus according to the Bible, always greeted his disciples with the phrase Peace be unto you. So this probably meant given the language of his day, he probably said Shalom Alechum or As-salaam-Alaikum.

Food for thought

Yes the languages spoken in the days of Jesus are different than the english language. I am just using the language that is my native tongue in order to communicate simple truths. The gospel message of salvation is not complicated AndStep, but we humans make it complicated with all this trivial stuff.

The bottom line is that salvation is found in none other person than Jesus Christ. For there is no other name given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Now if you want to call on Muhammad, Allah, etc. go right ahead.

My savior has a name and I address Him as such.

The end will show who was right and who was wrong.
 
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;2926023 said:


"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you."
Leviticus 11:7

If you desire to live under the law, you can. But it will only bring death.

That's why Jesus Christ came to fulfill the law. And when you live in Him, there is no longer any condemnation! Hallelujah!

This is not true. Jesus according to the Bible says, that he did not come to change the law, but to fulfill the law. Fulfill means to complete. The law had not been completed yet. That does not mean it invalidates the previous, it just means it had not been completed. Can you honestly say that it is OK, to murder, lie, fornicate, commit adultery, steal now, when the New Testament promises those who engage in that type pf activity will be counted among the wicked? This is what is wrong, with most churches, they think they can act like niggers 24/6 and just come to Church without making a change and every thing will be cool.

Law doesn't bring death. The Law brings Love once you see the benefit of not doing harmful things and love leads to Life. Real Life. It was the living of the Law for generations by Israel that produced Jesus.
 
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kai_valya;2926134 said:
no, you are. he is one, he begetteth no nor is he begotten. and if y'all say jesus is his begotten son that means he's not one than is he? jesus himself rejected being called son of god according to your bible

"And the devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak; for they knew that he was Christ." (Luke 4:11)

and again "He [Jesus] said unto them [the disciples], But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God. And he straightly charged them, and commanded them to tell no man that thing." (Luke 9:20 and 21).

Kai you do know that you are affirming the deity of Jesus Christ when you post those Scriptures, right?
 
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And Step;2926141 said:
This is not true. Jesus according to the Bible says, that he did not come to change the law, but to fulfill the law. Fulfill means to complete. The law had not been completed yet. That does not mean it invalidates the previous, it just means it had not been completed. Can you honestly say that it is OK, to murder, lie, fornicate, commit adultery, steal now, when the New Testament promises those who engage in that type pf activity will be counted among the wicked? This is what is wrong, with most churches, they think they can act like niggers 24/6 and just come to Church without making a change and every thing will be cool.

Law doesn't bring death. The Law brings Love once you see the benefit of not doing harmful things and love leads to Life. Real Life. It was the living of the Law for generations by Israel that produced Jesus.

You missed the whole point of the post. The brother who I was talking to asked for a scripture that stated the uncleanness of swine flesh.

Everything your talking about is a totally different discussion about lving under the law which can't be kept. Seeing that the nation of Israel failed miserably at it.
 
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;2926139 said:
Yes the languages spoken in the days of Jesus are different than the english language. I am just using the language that is my native tongue in order to communicate simple truths. The gospel message of salvation is not complicated AndStep, but we humans make it complicated with all this trivial stuff.

The bottom line is that salvation is found in none other person than Jesus Christ. For there is no other name given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Now if you want to call on Muhammad, Allah, etc. go right ahead.

My savior has a name and I address Him as such.

The end will show who was right and who was wrong.

C'mon Do U. You were the one who brought up that he never said Muhammad/Allah line. Now when I point it out you want to say it's trivial. C'mon son.

And if you really study the Hebrew origin of the text, you will see that the correct phrasing is not in the Name of, but in the Way of. Jesus and his disciples practiced the Way. Greek and English translators took tremendous liberties with the text that changed the whole meaning of certain passages.
 
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And Step;2926171 said:
C'mon Do U. You were the one who brought up that he never said Muhammad/Allah line. Now when I point it out you want to say it's trivial. C'mon son.

And if you really study the Hebrew origin of the text, you will see that the correct phrasing is not in the Name of, but in the Way of. Jesus and his disciples practiced the Way. Greek and English translators took tremendous liberties with the text that changed the whole meaning of certain passages.

Jesus Christ never did preach Muhammad. I'm not going to debate something that's not even debatable.

Your talking about stuff that's skim milk. Where the meat and potatoes at AndStep?
 
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