I feel sorry for all you "you don't need college" niggas in the next decade or so.

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I'm thinking about going back very soon,but I was on Google yesterday looking at reviews of the school i plan on

attending and all but 1 of the reviews was bad. One of the reviews the dude said he used to work admissions for

the school and he said they just want your money and the instructors don't give a fuck about you. In another review

the guy said that he was in the Army and he had been to 5 different schools all over the world and this one was the

worst. In the one positive review the guy said that you shouldn't listen to all the other negative reviews and that it's

a good school if you stay focused and don't bullshit and that the career field he chose(the same one I'm going into)

the school has a 91% job placement rate. So I'm kinda on the fence, possible 80/90k debt or 91% percent chance of

a good job.
 
91% job placement is very good (also depends on what kinda jobs we talking though)

career placement would be better
 
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I received an Honors degree in English Literature and wrote my LSATs to go to Law School where I was accepted into several schools in Canada and the United States.

However, around the same time, I was approached by the government to work at a lucrative job. I was kind of burnt out from university and the pay was ridiculous compared to what my friends were making at the time so I took the job and cashed out.

Fast forward to 2012 and I'm starting to feel bored and burnt out in my position. Thinking of going back to school to get my MBA... become an independent contractor... and work for myself for even more $$$$
 
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High Revolutionary;4863676 said:
uolag;4863584 said:
locksmith1;4863522 said:
Trades will never disappear. We are always going to need HVAC technicians to fix and install our a/c units, electrician/electronics to design and install electrical and electronics circuits and druck drivers to ship/receive manufactured products, food, and gas. People need to open their minds up a little bit and look at the variety of industries they get into. Depending on the field you study, you don't a college degree. However, you should always look forward to enhance your skills, increase your working experience and knowledge with an advanced education whether is through a trade or degree program.

I'm glad my dad was the jack of all trades and past his knowledge onto me. Anyway, what i notice with this new generation, they don't like to get their hands dirty. Most of them aren't built to be a carpenter, electrician, mechanic, or whatever. A lot of them want a desk job

Not only do they not want to get their hands dirty, a lot of them look down on those types of jobs as lowly, blue-collar, positions.

But those people are just as necessary to society, if not more as the guy sitting behind a desk. To me a job is a job, whether it's working on cars or designing operating systems. The whole purpose is to provide a means for yourself and your family.

While people do devalue manual labor jobs, people do need to get this idea out their heads that "Just because so and so didn't go to college and become a millionaire, so can I"...if you want to be able to move up the ladder and do certain things, make a certain salary you're going to need to go to college or some form of school past high school in order to even get your foot in the door. If you want to do a trade, that's fine nothing wrong with that at all. Just understand there's only a certain amount of upward mobility in those jobs.
 
Go to the military b a model on the side marry a well to do woman drop a album with banging beats dabble in porn retire no kidss
 
I feel sorry for niggas that think having a degree>>>>>>>>>>>entrepreneur.

Workin for yourself is better than workin for anyone else.

Workin for someone outside of a union in a employ at will state is fuckin risky.

Goin to a trade school and being certified in Electrician, HVAC, Plumbing, Carpentry

guarantees you will either be employed or can go into business for yourself.

Buildings are going to stay being constructed people are going to always need repairs

in their homes.

Unless you are going to university for the sciences you are foolin and bitin hard on the hustle.

t/s whole thread premise is just fool of smart dumb nigga logic.
 
In his acclaimed 2006 book, The Global Class War, economist Jeff Faux predicted a major financial catastrophe in the next few years. Sometimes, one would rather be wrong.

In The Servant Economy, Faux surveys the wreckage and asks: Where do we go from here? The economy may recover from the financial crash, but the historic and geographic cushions that have kept Americans prosperous are deflated. The United States can no longer support the dreams of Wall Street for boundless speculative wealth, the military-industrial complex for global hegemony, and the middle class for rising living standards. One of these dreams? Certainly. Two? Perhaps. But not all three.

Republicans and Democrats brawl in public, but, in effect, they have already cut a deal: the middle-class dream will be sacrificed. Even with a cyclical economic recovery, the average American will face substantially lower income, less opportunity, and hardening class lines by the mid-2020s. As high-paying service jobs follow industrial jobs offshore and government safety nets are systematically dismantled, more and more Americans will scratch for a living as educated twenty-first-century servants—insecure and stripped of dignity.

Yet both the electorate and the elected are in denial. Americans tell pollsters the country may be in decline, but that they personally will be okay. Politicians perpetuate the myth that Americans' exceptional can-do spirit will save them from the consequences of their leaders' folly. But hope is not a strategy. "Jobs, jobs, jobs," the governing class shouts against the forces of globalization, when it really means: "Lower wages, lower wages, lower wages."

The Servant Economy takes the reader on a historical tour of the rise and fall of the idea that democratic government has a responsibility for shaping the future, shows how Barack Obama is trapped in Ronald Reagan's legacy, and delivers a savage indictment of Wall Street financiers and their Washington toadies who promote an age of austerity for the people and an age of gluttony for themselves. The book paints a brutally honest picture of what austerity will mean for twentysomethings laden with college debt who will become thirty- and fortysomethings still stuck in low-paying jobs, for the elderly who will have to work until they die, for communities where services and safety will deteriorate. It warns of a future in which military power becomes the only instrument for exerting U.S. influence in the world.

The core problem, writes Faux, is not that we don't know what to do, it is that the corruption of our politics by big money smothers any attempt at transformational change. Thus, there is no escape from the grim scenario he describes—unless an aroused citizenry abolishes the system that equates money with free speech and corporations with citizens. Washington insiders scoff that such an effort is "hopeless." Even more hopeless, Faux concludes, is the notion that we can shape a better economic future—unless we do so.

Here's the inside sleeve of a book I read recently.
 
A picture of me speaking at yesterday’s TEDxReset in Istanbul.

Yesterday I was honored to be one of the featured speakers at the TEDxReset Conference in Istanbul, Turkey where I predicted that over 2 billion jobs will disappear by 2030. Since my 18-minute talk was about the rapidly shifting nature of colleges and higher education, I didn’t have time to explain how and why so many jobs would be going away. Because of all of the questions I received afterwards, I will do that here.

If you haven’t been to a TEDx event, it is hard to confer the life-changing nature of something like this. Ali Ustundag and his team pulled off a wonderful event.

The day was filled with an energizing mix of musicians, inspiration, and big thinkers. During the breaks, audience members were eager to hear more and peppered the speakers with countless questions. They were also extremely eager to hear more about the future.

When I brought up the idea of 2 billion jobs disappearing (roughly 50% of all the jobs on the planet) it wasn’t intended as a doom and gloom outlook. Rather, it was intended as a wakeup call, letting the world know how quickly things are about to change, and letting academia know that much of the battle ahead will be taking place at their doorstep.

Here is a brief overview of five industries – where the jobs will be going away and the jobs that will likely replace at least some of them – over the coming decades.
 
1.) Power Industry

Until now, the utility companies existed as a safe career path where little more than storm-related outages and an occasional rate increase would cause industry officials to raise their eyebrows.

Yet the public has become increasingly vocal about their concerns over long-term health and environmental issues relating to the current structure and disseminating methods of of the power industry, causing a number of ingenious minds to look for a better way of doing things.

Recently I was introduced to two solutions that seem predestined to start the proverbial row of dominoes to start falling. There are likely many more waiting in the wings, but these two capitalize on existing variances found in nature and are unusually elegant in the way they solve the problem of generating clean power at a low cost.

Both companies have asked me to keep quiet about their technology until they are a bit farther along, but I will at least explain the overarching ramifications.

I should emphasize that both technologies are intended to work inside the current utility company structure, so the changes will happen within the industry itself.

To begin with, these technologies will shift utilities around the world from national grids to micro grids that can be scaled from a single home to entire cities. The dirty power era will finally be over and the power lines that dangle menacingly over our neighborhoods, will begin to come down. All of them.

While the industry will go through a long-term shrinking trend, the immediate shift will cause many new jobs to be created.

Jobs Going Away

Power generation plants will begin to close down.

Coal plants will begin to close down.

Many railroad and transportation workers will no longer be needed.

Even wind farms, natural gas, and bio-fuel generators will begin to close down.

Ethanol plants will be phased out or repurposed.

Utility company engineers, gone.

Line repairmen, gone.

New Jobs Created

Manufacturing power generation units the size of ac units will go into full production.

Installation crews will begin to work around the clock.

The entire national grid will need to be taken down (a 20 year project). Much of it will be recycled and the recycling process alone will employ many thousands of people.

Micro-grid operations will open in every community requiring a new breed of engineers, managers, and regulators.

Many more.

2.) Automobile Transportation – Going Driverless

Over the next 10 years we will see the first wave of autonomous vehicles hit the roads, with some of the first inroads made by vehicles that deliver packages, groceries, and fast-mail envelopes.

The first wave of driverless vehicles will be luxury vehicles that allow you to kick back, listen to music, have a cup of coffee, stop wherever you need to along the way, stay productive in transit with connections to the Internet, make phone calls, and even watch a movie or two, for substantially less than the cost of today’s limos.

Driverless technology will initially require a driver, but it will quickly creep into everyday use much as airbags did. First as an expensive option for luxury cars, but eventually it will become a safety feature stipulated by the government.

The greatest benefits of this kind of automation won’t be realized until the driver’s hands are off the wheel. With over 2 million people involved in car accidents every year in the U.S., it won’t take long for legislators to be convinced that driverless cars are a substantially safer and more effective option.

The privilege of driving is about to be redefined.

Jobs Going Away

Taxi and limo drivers, gone.

Bus drivers, gone.

Truck drivers, gone.

Gas stations, parking lots, traffic cops, traffic courts, gone.

Fewer doctors and nurses will be needed to treat injuries.

Pizza (and other food) delivery drivers, gone.

Mail delivery drivers, gone.

FedEx and UPS delivery jobs, gone.

As people shift from owning their own vehicles to a transportation-on-demand system, the total number of vehicles manufactured will also begin to decline.

New Jobs Created

Delivery dispatchers

Traffic monitoring systems, although automated, will require a management team.

Automated traffic designers, architects, and engineers

Driverless “ride experience” people.

Driverless operating system engineers.

Emergency crews for when things go wrong.

3.) Education

I'm not saying all this will come to fruition. I'm not an economist. Nor am I a futurist. I'm not saying that some of this stuff might not be reaching. But what I will say is that I've read study after study and book after book this summer and the common thread is that education, like it or not, will be the currency of the future.

I even read a book on a flight(really short) that I borrowed from a friend and can't remember the name of, which said that cheap credit and a push to higher education has damned our futures. We have too many educated people, so now it's to the point that everyone needs to be.

I wasn't trying to shit on anyone, I made the thread title what it was b/c I wanted people in my thread to read the info cuz it's interesting.
 
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FucktheIC;4862738 said:
VIBE;4862712 said:
They say they suggest not going to college and to be an entrepreneur, because well, most of the shit we have today are from those kind of people.

Who's they? You could be the next Mark Zuckerberg....but probably not. You COULD be the next Michael Dell....but probably not. Niggas need to stop being stupid and take they asses to college.

There's some shit that's gonna bubble up to the surface about free trade agreements. In the 80's and 90's we opened up everything to globalization assuming we would have the workforce to transition from skills based to service based jobs, but we don't. People still have this idea that you can just get a diploma, get a job as an electrician, and call it a day. But those jobs are gonna see a reduction of about 25% in the next decade where as America will be short about 90K doctors in the next decade.

Smarten up gentlemen.

i disagree

college or not if your goal is not becoming a self sustaining independent business, then you automatically fail

fuck being a high priced slave with 200,000 dollars worth of debt when your 27 years old

either youre built for this or not ... fuckinf piece of paper aint helping with shit
 
UPTOWN CONNEXX;4864643 said:
FucktheIC;4862738 said:
VIBE;4862712 said:
They say they suggest not going to college and to be an entrepreneur, because well, most of the shit we have today are from those kind of people.

Who's they? You could be the next Mark Zuckerberg....but probably not. You COULD be the next Michael Dell....but probably not. Niggas need to stop being stupid and take they asses to college.

There's some shit that's gonna bubble up to the surface about free trade agreements. In the 80's and 90's we opened up everything to globalization assuming we would have the workforce to transition from skills based to service based jobs, but we don't. People still have this idea that you can just get a diploma, get a job as an electrician, and call it a day. But those jobs are gonna see a reduction of about 25% in the next decade where as America will be short about 90K doctors in the next decade.

Smarten up gentlemen.

i disagree

college or not if your goal is not becoming a self sustaining independent business, then you automatically fail

fuck being a high priced slave with 200,000 dollars worth of debt when your 27 years old

either youre built for this or not ... fuckinf piece of paper aint helping with shit

Gotta cosign this. The whole concept of getting a "job" is different than it used to be. School cant automatically save you. But its good to expand skills, but a lotta people go in thinkin theyll get a job when they come out and dont so they have nothing but debt. So gotta look out for yourself whatever you choose to do.
 
sully;4862887 said:
What people fail to understand is that while there are the Mark Zuckerberg's and Bill Gates' who drop out of Harvard to start a business b/c they have an idea. But who do you think they are hiring to do the actual work? Mark Zuckerberg may have started Facebook with what he knew of computer programming, but you think he still does all the updates himself anymore? Do you really think that Facebook would have become what it is today if he didn't hire software engineers to do the programming, marketing majors to get the word out and figure out a niche, accounting majors to handle the company finances, business admin majors to ensure efficient running of day-to-day operations?

Same thing for Bill Gates.

Besides, education isn't about picking up skills or the know-how to do something. College education is about training your mind to think in a certain way so when a complex problem arrives at your desk, even if you don't have the knowledge to apply, you have the critical thinking skills necessary to figure it out.

yes this makes perfect sense!!!

but its all about perspective

who are all these nameless software engineers and marketing majors and how much do they make while zuckerburg sits back and counts billions?? if he really needs them that bad, then why cant they start their own programming or marketing firm instead of filling out an application for zuckerburg to look over??

fact is if you dont do it, someone else will, and if you want to much money, fuck you ill get someone else to do it cheaper

all a college degree does is have a "school" vouch that they taught you some shit. but how are you going to avoid being just another nigga in the matrix??

"when a complex problem arrives at your desk" LOL just that alone would give you bargaining power in any aspect of the business world. but a degree sets you up to be a slave before you can even use any of your leverage, because they teach you that their prestigious university is the finish line just like the stupid idea behind this thread

im not saying "dont go to college" but i find it VERY VERY FUNNY that all yall 28 thousand dollar loan ass niggas stay looking down on those who go any other route. but yall have nothing more than the person who didnt go to college
 
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@cashmoney

explain your nosign bruh

college is highly overrated and a scam to create workers......

the fed govt sponsors that debt slavery while wasting my tax dollars

SMH @ a taxpayer's money being wasted on some mofo's useless degree so they can go work at Starbucks
 
I didn't graduate college and I have been the lead marketing specialist for world pay bank, an oil company, and I'm interviewing for the marketing regional management position at the Hilton tomorrow for the whole southeast because I hate Houston (Austin is the shit though).

I write novels and do stand up. I wanna be the black woody Allen (with a splash of bill hicks/Dave chappelle). I want to be the storyteller of a generation through art, conversation, fashion, and sports. I went to school for English lit and dropped out. And I'm 26.
 
damn i thought id be standing alone in this thread but already i see 4 different posters who can see the light

like i said tho ... college is needed for some

but i think its funny that a whole hell of alot of college kids talk this degree shit and dont really have anything that ppl who dont have degrees have
 
College is a scam. And its for people without ideas. Anyone in here trying to say otherwise is made to be a worker bee. Unless finance science teaching law or medicine is your passion, then you have to shut up about how necessary college is...
 
Sion.;4864775 said:
I was saying this a few years ago on the IC. Yeah as the economy gets back up the standards are gonna go up & it's gonna be important but IMO not necessary for success in life. For it's not the only road to glory.

However,a degree isn't necessary to win, the object of the game is to educate yourself, I find that the people who look down on school just don't want to do the work of learning. Cuz as much as they'll talk down on it, the same cats would dread opening a book to learn what they gotta know beforehand. Guess they figure they know everything already SMH.

Sure school may not be for everyone but if you're gonna make the conscious decision to make it in life w/o a degree you'd better be very passionate about what you want to do and eager to work & learn about your interest in some way or shape. I never look down on no man who's just trying to make some money to support his family, whatever you gotta do to prosper in this so called land of milk & honey.....

Remember, whether it's a degree or trade what's important to note is what separates the rich from the poor is EDUCATION. People will take chances on the guy with no degree if he knows his shit & has experience but having a degree may make things easier for you.

I agree and disagree tho

cause who says you need a professor when you can pick up a book yourself?

my beef with college is the inflated tuition and how colleges are cool with churning out marginally educated grads with ridiculous amounts of debt

meanwhile taxpayers are not getting a return on their money when corporations still choose which exclusive colleges to get their new workers from

taxpayers pay the cost, students waste years and end up in debt, some professor gets a salary, and a corporation gets an educated worker for free to make the corporation more money............I don't see how people thinks this shit is a good deal
 
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