"I Fear I May Have Integrated My People Into a Burning House" - Martin Luther King Jr.

[NeighborhoodNomad.]

http://youtu.be/8tEuaj4h8dw

This is another powerful video, especially from 12:25-15:00.

 

[NeighborhoodNomad.]

Sadly now Black peoples biggest threat are niggas, so we have no choice but to look inward.

How did it get to be that way?

You just posted a video about the Natives/Soiux and the result of their genocide and oppression. They live in poverty, unhealthy conditions and are bangin on each other, just like niggas. A far cry from the moral, spiritual, and physical warriors they/we once were.

Yes there have always been rivalries between tribes all around the world, but they weren't each other's biggest threat.

 

[janklow]

Nah, I knew you weren't serious. That said I responded anyway. Why you ask, because at least one person on here thinks like this ... In other words, there are people on here who will actually argue that the Casinos were a great gift and squared the debt the US owes to the Natives.

whew. and that's a fair point.

On a side note, is that Hey Slick? I thought that dude was dead.

we'll have to look into that

He never progressed toward integration being open to hearing all alternative solutions does not equal acceptance of them.

you don't see the difference between his former declarations of NOI doctrine and where he was when he died?

 

[zombie]

Nah, I knew you weren't serious. That said I responded anyway. Why you ask, because at least one person on here thinks like this ... In other words, there are people on here who will actually argue that the Casinos were a great gift and squared the debt the US owes to the Natives.

whew. and that's a fair point.

On a side note, is that Hey Slick? I thought that dude was dead.

we'll have to look into that

He never progressed toward integration being open to hearing all alternative solutions does not equal acceptance of them.

you don't see the difference between his former declarations of NOI doctrine and where he was when he died?

yeah his position changed but don't go too far he did not support integration. I believe he softened on whites being allowed to work with blacks to solve problems. But that is it. Before he did not want to work with whites at all.

 

[kAjUn]

That's one of the biggest things I can remember hearing from older generations about integration is that it hurt the black community......the community is not a family nor unified as it once was....

 

[The Lonious Monk]

But that's on us, not integration. Asians didn't let integration stop them from building self sufficient communities.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

But that's on us, not integration. Asians didn't let integration stop them from building self sufficient communities.

lol are you white

 

[Wild Self]

Unity should be done out of free will and the respect of one another, not out of force and hatred of the white man.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

But that's on us, not integration. Asians didn't let integration stop them from building self sufficient communities.

lol are you white

No, do I have to be white to acknowledge that other groups have maintained unity after integration? Other prominent blacks have done the same thing.

 

[janklow]

yeah his position changed but don't go too far he did not support integration. I believe he softened on whites being allowed to work with blacks to solve problems. But that is it. Before he did not want to work with whites at all.

i think there's a point where when you're Malcolm and you're saying, "okay, we can work within the system to address the problems blacks face in America," you're basically talking about integration. it's not the same thing as "let's all hold hands and sing together," but hey

 

[zombie]

yeah his position changed but don't go too far he did not support integration. I believe he softened on whites being allowed to work with blacks to solve problems. But that is it. Before he did not want to work with whites at all.

i think there's a point where when you're Malcolm and you're saying, "okay, we can work within the system to address the problems blacks face in America," you're basically talking about integration. it's not the same thing as "let's all hold hands and sing together," but hey

no working with the system is not integration , integration is becoming part of the system.

 

[zombie]

But that's on us, not integration. Asians didn't let integration stop them from building self sufficient communities.

Asians have a unifying culture and language that naturally separate them from the other races in america. blacks are weaker and easy to pull apart, with integration African American identity is diluted . what are you and how do you differentiate yourself from the rest of America

 

[zombie]

Asians never really integrated they largly still keep to themselves. blacks begged to be part of the American social order and lost them selves in it

 

[young_reezy]

But that's on us, not integration. Asians didn't let integration stop them from building self sufficient communities.

Asians have a unifying culture and language that naturally separate them from the other races in america. blacks are weaker and easy to pull apart, with integration African American identity is diluted . what are you and how do you differentiate yourself from the rest of America

this is very well said..

 

[Say What]

But that's on us, not integration. Asians didn't let integration stop them from building self sufficient communities.

Asians have a unifying culture and language that naturally separate them from the other races in america. blacks are weaker and easy to pull apart, with integration African American identity is diluted . what are you and how do you differentiate yourself from the rest of America

Asians have quite a few cultures and many of them don't don't get along with others. One of the main things is they kept there populations highly concentrated within that subculture. They also were here less time and didn't have to integrate as much. I come from one of the last black towns. It was one of the segregated areas where blacks could go to the beach. It didn't go down until crack and other self inflicted ills took over.

 

[zombie]

But that's on us, not integration. Asians didn't let integration stop them from building self sufficient communities.

Asians have a unifying culture and language that naturally separate them from the other races in america. blacks are weaker and easy to pull apart, with integration African American identity is diluted . what are you and how do you differentiate yourself from the rest of America

Asians have quite a few cultures and many of them don't don't get along with others. One of the main things is they kept there populations highly concentrated within that subculture. They also were here less time and didn't have to integrate as much. I come from one of the last black towns. It was one of the segregated areas where blacks could go to the beach. It didn't go down until crack and other self inflicted ills took over.

I mean within each culture. people like to blame drugs for the destruction of the black community. But all people were involved in drugs during that era, there communities were not completely destroyed, yours was why do you think that is?

 

[Say What]

My community still exist but it is a shell of itself. Part of it was not being able to upgrade without bringing in whites so the community continued to spiral. The largest dealer was on town council so our police force hands were tied. Other leaders were on drugs just corruption as a whole. The Feds ended up coming and shutting much of the dealing down but that was 99. It ended up being so many front businesses many closed. It was lots of things but mainly drugs violence & corruption.

 

[NeighborhoodNomad.]

@white715

I hear what you're saying. But I don't understand why the agenda would be for we the people to become the firemen and put out a fire to a house/system that is designed to exploit and destroy us/the people. And to be outside of the house, realize it's on fire, and continue to walk in, while leading others into that very house makes no sense to me.

Why would MLK say "I've come across something that deeply disturbs me"... if he believed he was still doing the right thing. He had a moment of clarity and realized that we were about to get everything he had been fighting so passionately for, only to become the very thing (mentally) he was fighting against. If you want to be a guest in anyone's house, you must play their game or become like those who live in the house.

I like the idea of The Poor Peoples Campaign for economic justice. I support all forms of true justice. But justice will NEVER be executed through asking (your oppressors of all people), or marching. True justice requires revolution. Houses (systems) need to be allowed to be completely burned down. Foundations (mentalities) need to be uprooted. New foundations need to be laid. And new and better homes need to be built.

THE HOUSE!

THE HOUSE!

THE HOUSE IS ON FIRE!!!...

The only other options would've been to go back to Africa or continuing on with Jim Crow.

And SMH at people blaming integration for the current state of Black America, integration was supposed to be the 1st step, but after Martin died and the Panthers neutralized no one was left to futher the cause and gangs, jobs left the communities, and crack was pushed into the inner city.

But to blame integration is like a WR catching the ball running 5 yards then fumbling and blaming the snap.

Those weren't and aren't our only options...

We could've taken the Hati/Toussaint Lourveture approach and created our own house, if we weren't welcome in someone else's.

And please don't forget we are the forefathers of everything considered civilized. We could've done better than going back to a place we've never been or Jim Crow.

 

[janklow]

no working with the system is not integration , integration is becoming part of the system.

seems like you're going to be part of the system if you're using it to address your problems

 

[The Lonious Monk]

But that's on us, not integration. Asians didn't let integration stop them from building self sufficient communities.

Asians have a unifying culture and language that naturally separate them from the other races in america. blacks are weaker and easy to pull apart, with integration African American identity is diluted . what are you and how do you differentiate yourself from the rest of America

I agree with your assessment. That said, you're not disproving my point. You're actually supporting it. People are blaming the black communities woes solely on integration. My point was that integration was only a problem because we let it be a problem. That said. I don't think African American identity is diluted at all. If anything it's the opposite. In America there is such a strong construct associated with what it supposedly means to be black that anyone who strays from that even a little bit has their "blackness" questioned. And therein lies the issue. Blacks spend too much time fighting each other. Sure integration may have led to a weakening of the unity that was there before, but something else is responsible for the rise of the internal turmoil.

Asians never really integrated they largly still keep to themselves. blacks begged to be part of the American social order and lost them selves in it

This I don't agree with. There are plenty of Asians out there who will damn near sell their soul for White favor. Not only that, but if you go to areas with large Asian populations, like some places in Cali, they are as integrated as any other minority group. Yes, they preserve and maintain their own culture, but they also do things that are distinctly American.

I also can't agree that blacks have lost themselves in American Social order. You act as though the African American community no longer exists and has become just part of the greater American culture. That's not true at all. African Americans are still distinctly African Americans. As a black person, you can't go anywhere in America without being reminded you're a black person. Our community is still there. It's just plagued with internal strife that prevents it from moving forward. That combined with the still present white racist institution is why we are where we are.