How is "Ether" a classic diss but not "you gotta love it" or "Curtis" ??

[goldenja]

it just beeez like that sometimes

 

[5 Grand]

I don't understand the "tech on the dresser" argument.

According to Jay stans, Jay Z showed Nas a tech and Large Professor confirmed it.

So Jay Z said, "I showed you your first tech on tour with Large Professor/And thenI hear the line about the tech on the dresser"

Even if that line is true, so what?!?!?!?

Who cares if Jay Z showed Nas a tech when they were on tour and Nas made a line about a tech on the dresser on his album? How is that relevant to anything?

If you really sit down and think about it, that line doesn't really mean anything. Its a waste of a bar and he could have said something much more potent.

Jay stans be like, "Oh yeah well Jay showed Nas a tech when he was on tour with Large Professor and Large Professor confirmed it!!!"

Who cares?

Can one of you Jay stans explain why that line is hot?

 

[GetoBoy]

I don't understand the "tech on the dresser" argument.

According to Jay stans, Jay Z showed Nas a tech and Large Professor confirmed it.

So Jay Z said, "I showed you your first tech on tour with Large Professor/And thenI hear the line about the tech on the dresser"

Even if that line is true, so what?!?!?!?

Who cares if Jay Z showed Nas a tech when they were on tour and Nas made a line about a tech on the dresser on his album? How is that relevant to anything?

If you really sit down and think about it, that line doesn't really mean anything. Its a waste of a bar and he could have said something much more potent.

Jay stans be like, "Oh yeah well Jay showed Nas a tech when he was on tour with Large Professor and Large Professor confirmed it!!!"

Who cares?

Can one of you Jay stans explain why that line is hot?

Yea becuz the line "you no mustache having" was pure greatness.... It was to imply you was getting yo gangsta tells from my real life...It's kinda self explanatory

 

[jim1000]

Ether was filled with non provable statements and jokes and ppl treat this as the standards for diss records. Then Camron takes the same route to slaughter jayz and 50 cent and so called hip hop purist act as if it was insignificant or wack. Both of these diss records overshadowed ether by far. Nas was dead when ether came out . Cam shut nyc down with both these diss records. And they are arguably better songs than ether. Ether is overrated by Nas stans. Even xzibits diss to jermaine dupri is comparable to ether.

http://youtu.be/sFsO7tmfT_s

Krs-one naming his album blueprint first-facts

Jay-Z biting biggie rhymes-facts

Jay-z being called ugly-facts ( Nas used jay-z own words against him)

Just to name of few.

http://youtu.be/pnycZjc3nQM

What makes ether better honestly?

Nas went plat before ether came out. Sooo ummm yeah

What does that mean? Jay sold 10 times more than Nas ever did and....

You said nas was dead he wasn't, jay always had a commerical hit he pushed nas rarely pushes his radio hits. Ether still come up today cause's arguments and gets people in their feelings. Look at this thread your ethering your own shit by saying it wasn't all that or whatever but 14yrs later its on your mind. "That Ether the shit that makes your soul burn slow !

No I brought it up bc I'm on the IC and ether is the tabernacle here but I personally know of and seen the impact of other diss records. I lived through all these disses. None can compare to takeover. I'm tryna get y'all to see that most y'all just bandwagon dicjriders when it comes to ether bc I lived it and seen it

Takeover was a bunch of opinions cock jockies tried to make fact. Look at nas lp's 2 back to back classics i am was tough and Nastradamus was weak compared to the other 3 but still had 6 bangers 3 ok tracks and few weak ones outta 15 or 16 tracks and 2 of them were skits so that 1 hot album every 10yr shit is outta there. Takeover was a reach. Still fire but reach

I showed you ya first tech on tour with large professor

Then I heard u talkin bout ya tech on the dresser

So yea I sampled your voice you was using it wrong

You made it a hot line

I made it a hot song

You ain't get a coin nigga u was getting fucked and I know who I paid God Searchlight publishing

All facts

How do you know the tech was facts? Was you there?? That right there exposed how biast you are.

Once again you exposed yourself to your stanning since MC Serch already explained that he didnt own Nas publishing. I swear Takeover is so overrated that its really comical when someone comes to defend it like its facts. The only fact on takeover was the carmen line and that was a good one by Jay. Nas destroyed him with facts, comedy, anger, and the ultimate disrespect of dropping in on Hov's birthday.

How do you know what nas said in ether was "facts"..... Ain't none of us be there for any of they personal shit so it's all hearsay

Krs-one naming his album blueprint first-facts

Jay-Z biting biggie rhymes-facts

Jay-z being called ugly-facts ( Nas used jay-z own words against him)

Just to name of few.

Jay smashing his bm-Facts

Jay using his voice and making a hot song-Facts

Nas not getting a dime from it-Facts

Nas falling off-Facts

Ain't tryna make this a ether vs takeover shit but the whole " were you there" shit is weak becuz you can do that with any diss track

The only fact you have is Jay smashing Nas's BM.

Jay using his voice and making it a hot song is not a fact because you deliberatly left out the hot line part which we all know is opinion.

Nas not getting a dime from it is false and MC Serch already explain this.

Nas falling off is still strictly opinion and to me its a wrong opinion but to each is own. Sometimes I wonder if people know the difference between facts and opinions. SMDH!!

 

[GetoBoy]

Ether was filled with non provable statements and jokes and ppl treat this as the standards for diss records. Then Camron takes the same route to slaughter jayz and 50 cent and so called hip hop purist act as if it was insignificant or wack. Both of these diss records overshadowed ether by far. Nas was dead when ether came out . Cam shut nyc down with both these diss records. And they are arguably better songs than ether. Ether is overrated by Nas stans. Even xzibits diss to jermaine dupri is comparable to ether.

http://youtu.be/sFsO7tmfT_s

Krs-one naming his album blueprint first-facts

Jay-Z biting biggie rhymes-facts

Jay-z being called ugly-facts ( Nas used jay-z own words against him)

Just to name of few.

http://youtu.be/pnycZjc3nQM

What makes ether better honestly?

Nas went plat before ether came out. Sooo ummm yeah

What does that mean? Jay sold 10 times more than Nas ever did and....

You said nas was dead he wasn't, jay always had a commerical hit he pushed nas rarely pushes his radio hits. Ether still come up today cause's arguments and gets people in their feelings. Look at this thread your ethering your own shit by saying it wasn't all that or whatever but 14yrs later its on your mind. "That Ether the shit that makes your soul burn slow !

No I brought it up bc I'm on the IC and ether is the tabernacle here but I personally know of and seen the impact of other diss records. I lived through all these disses. None can compare to takeover. I'm tryna get y'all to see that most y'all just bandwagon dicjriders when it comes to ether bc I lived it and seen it

Takeover was a bunch of opinions cock jockies tried to make fact. Look at nas lp's 2 back to back classics i am was tough and Nastradamus was weak compared to the other 3 but still had 6 bangers 3 ok tracks and few weak ones outta 15 or 16 tracks and 2 of them were skits so that 1 hot album every 10yr shit is outta there. Takeover was a reach. Still fire but reach

I showed you ya first tech on tour with large professor

Then I heard u talkin bout ya tech on the dresser

So yea I sampled your voice you was using it wrong

You made it a hot line

I made it a hot song

You ain't get a coin nigga u was getting fucked and I know who I paid God Searchlight publishing

All facts

How do you know the tech was facts? Was you there?? That right there exposed how biast you are.

Once again you exposed yourself to your stanning since MC Serch already explained that he didnt own Nas publishing. I swear Takeover is so overrated that its really comical when someone comes to defend it like its facts. The only fact on takeover was the carmen line and that was a good one by Jay. Nas destroyed him with facts, comedy, anger, and the ultimate disrespect of dropping in on Hov's birthday.

How do you know what nas said in ether was "facts"..... Ain't none of us be there for any of they personal shit so it's all hearsay

Krs-one naming his album blueprint first-facts

Jay-Z biting biggie rhymes-facts

Jay-z being called ugly-facts ( Nas used jay-z own words against him)

Just to name of few.

Jay smashing his bm-Facts

Jay using his voice and making a hot song-Facts

Nas not getting a dime from it-Facts

Nas falling off-Facts

Ain't tryna make this a ether vs takeover shit but the whole " were you there" shit is weak becuz you can do that with any diss track

The only fact you have is Jay smashing Nas's BM.

Jay using his voice and making it a hot song is not a fact because you deliberatly left out the hot line part which we all know is opinion.

Nas not getting a dime from it is false and MC Serch already explain this.

Nas falling off is still strictly opinion and to me its a wrong opinion but to each is own. Sometimes I wonder if people know the difference between facts and opinions. SMDH!!

Lmao at saying a nigga fell off is an opinion but a man calling another man ugly is a fact..... SMDH.... But ok bruh I'm not finna get into takeover vs ether episode 10000000000000 becuz it ain't gonna lead to nothing new

 

[jim1000]

Ether was filled with non provable statements and jokes and ppl treat this as the standards for diss records. Then Camron takes the same route to slaughter jayz and 50 cent and so called hip hop purist act as if it was insignificant or wack. Both of these diss records overshadowed ether by far. Nas was dead when ether came out . Cam shut nyc down with both these diss records. And they are arguably better songs than ether. Ether is overrated by Nas stans. Even xzibits diss to jermaine dupri is comparable to ether.

http://youtu.be/sFsO7tmfT_s

Krs-one naming his album blueprint first-facts

Jay-Z biting biggie rhymes-facts

Jay-z being called ugly-facts ( Nas used jay-z own words against him)

Just to name of few.

http://youtu.be/pnycZjc3nQM

What makes ether better honestly?

Nas went plat before ether came out. Sooo ummm yeah

What does that mean? Jay sold 10 times more than Nas ever did and....

You said nas was dead he wasn't, jay always had a commerical hit he pushed nas rarely pushes his radio hits. Ether still come up today cause's arguments and gets people in their feelings. Look at this thread your ethering your own shit by saying it wasn't all that or whatever but 14yrs later its on your mind. "That Ether the shit that makes your soul burn slow !

No I brought it up bc I'm on the IC and ether is the tabernacle here but I personally know of and seen the impact of other diss records. I lived through all these disses. None can compare to takeover. I'm tryna get y'all to see that most y'all just bandwagon dicjriders when it comes to ether bc I lived it and seen it

Takeover was a bunch of opinions cock jockies tried to make fact. Look at nas lp's 2 back to back classics i am was tough and Nastradamus was weak compared to the other 3 but still had 6 bangers 3 ok tracks and few weak ones outta 15 or 16 tracks and 2 of them were skits so that 1 hot album every 10yr shit is outta there. Takeover was a reach. Still fire but reach

I showed you ya first tech on tour with large professor

Then I heard u talkin bout ya tech on the dresser

So yea I sampled your voice you was using it wrong

You made it a hot line

I made it a hot song

You ain't get a coin nigga u was getting fucked and I know who I paid God Searchlight publishing

All facts

How do you know the tech was facts? Was you there?? That right there exposed how biast you are.

Once again you exposed yourself to your stanning since MC Serch already explained that he didnt own Nas publishing. I swear Takeover is so overrated that its really comical when someone comes to defend it like its facts. The only fact on takeover was the carmen line and that was a good one by Jay. Nas destroyed him with facts, comedy, anger, and the ultimate disrespect of dropping in on Hov's birthday.

How do you know what nas said in ether was "facts"..... Ain't none of us be there for any of they personal shit so it's all hearsay

Krs-one naming his album blueprint first-facts

Jay-Z biting biggie rhymes-facts

Jay-z being called ugly-facts ( Nas used jay-z own words against him)

Just to name of few.

Jay smashing his bm-Facts

Jay using his voice and making a hot song-Facts

Nas not getting a dime from it-Facts

Nas falling off-Facts

Ain't tryna make this a ether vs takeover shit but the whole " were you there" shit is weak becuz you can do that with any diss track

The only fact you have is Jay smashing Nas's BM.

Jay using his voice and making it a hot song is not a fact because you deliberatly left out the hot line part which we all know is opinion.

Nas not getting a dime from it is false and MC Serch already explain this.

Nas falling off is still strictly opinion and to me its a wrong opinion but to each is own. Sometimes I wonder if people know the difference between facts and opinions. SMDH!!

I get what you are saying but Jay-z said that about himself when it came to the ladies and Nas used is own words against him. So yes its factual according to hov himself.

Lmao at saying a nigga fell off is an opinion but a man calling another man ugly is a fact..... SMDH.... But ok bruh I'm not finna get into takeover vs ether becuz it ain't gonna lead to nothing new

 

[jim1000]

Ether was filled with non provable statements and jokes and ppl treat this as the standards for diss records. Then Camron takes the same route to slaughter jayz and 50 cent and so called hip hop purist act as if it was insignificant or wack. Both of these diss records overshadowed ether by far. Nas was dead when ether came out . Cam shut nyc down with both these diss records. And they are arguably better songs than ether. Ether is overrated by Nas stans. Even xzibits diss to jermaine dupri is comparable to ether.

http://youtu.be/sFsO7tmfT_s

Krs-one naming his album blueprint first-facts

Jay-Z biting biggie rhymes-facts

Jay-z being called ugly-facts ( Nas used jay-z own words against him)

Just to name of few.

http://youtu.be/pnycZjc3nQM

What makes ether better honestly?

Nas went plat before ether came out. Sooo ummm yeah

What does that mean? Jay sold 10 times more than Nas ever did and....

You said nas was dead he wasn't, jay always had a commerical hit he pushed nas rarely pushes his radio hits. Ether still come up today cause's arguments and gets people in their feelings. Look at this thread your ethering your own shit by saying it wasn't all that or whatever but 14yrs later its on your mind. "That Ether the shit that makes your soul burn slow !

No I brought it up bc I'm on the IC and ether is the tabernacle here but I personally know of and seen the impact of other diss records. I lived through all these disses. None can compare to takeover. I'm tryna get y'all to see that most y'all just bandwagon dicjriders when it comes to ether bc I lived it and seen it

Takeover was a bunch of opinions cock jockies tried to make fact. Look at nas lp's 2 back to back classics i am was tough and Nastradamus was weak compared to the other 3 but still had 6 bangers 3 ok tracks and few weak ones outta 15 or 16 tracks and 2 of them were skits so that 1 hot album every 10yr shit is outta there. Takeover was a reach. Still fire but reach

I showed you ya first tech on tour with large professor

Then I heard u talkin bout ya tech on the dresser

So yea I sampled your voice you was using it wrong

You made it a hot line

I made it a hot song

You ain't get a coin nigga u was getting fucked and I know who I paid God Searchlight publishing

All facts

How do you know the tech was facts? Was you there?? That right there exposed how biast you are.

Once again you exposed yourself to your stanning since MC Serch already explained that he didnt own Nas publishing. I swear Takeover is so overrated that its really comical when someone comes to defend it like its facts. The only fact on takeover was the carmen line and that was a good one by Jay. Nas destroyed him with facts, comedy, anger, and the ultimate disrespect of dropping in on Hov's birthday.

How do you know what nas said in ether was "facts"..... Ain't none of us be there for any of they personal shit so it's all hearsay

Krs-one naming his album blueprint first-facts

Jay-Z biting biggie rhymes-facts

Jay-z being called ugly-facts ( Nas used jay-z own words against him)

Just to name of few.

Jay smashing his bm-Facts

Jay using his voice and making a hot song-Facts

Nas not getting a dime from it-Facts

Nas falling off-Facts

Ain't tryna make this a ether vs takeover shit but the whole " were you there" shit is weak becuz you can do that with any diss track

The only fact you have is Jay smashing Nas's BM.

Jay using his voice and making it a hot song is not a fact because you deliberatly left out the hot line part which we all know is opinion.

Nas not getting a dime from it is false and MC Serch already explain this.

Nas falling off is still strictly opinion and to me its a wrong opinion but to each is own. Sometimes I wonder if people know the difference between facts and opinions. SMDH!!

Lmao at saying a nigga fell off is an opinion but a man calling another man ugly is a fact..... SMDH.... But ok bruh I'm not finna get into takeover vs ether episode 10000000000000 becuz it ain't gonna lead to nothing new

Yea its true that its usually opinion but Jay-z said that about himself when it came to the ladies and Nas used his own words against him. That right there makes it factual. Nas flipped it on him badly and it backfired on Jay-z. Jay-z should have never mentioned his looks on his album and he set himself up for a bad fall.

 

[GetoBoy]

Ether was filled with non provable statements and jokes and ppl treat this as the standards for diss records. Then Camron takes the same route to slaughter jayz and 50 cent and so called hip hop purist act as if it was insignificant or wack. Both of these diss records overshadowed ether by far. Nas was dead when ether came out . Cam shut nyc down with both these diss records. And they are arguably better songs than ether. Ether is overrated by Nas stans. Even xzibits diss to jermaine dupri is comparable to ether.

http://youtu.be/sFsO7tmfT_s

Krs-one naming his album blueprint first-facts

Jay-Z biting biggie rhymes-facts

Jay-z being called ugly-facts ( Nas used jay-z own words against him)

Just to name of few.

http://youtu.be/pnycZjc3nQM

What makes ether better honestly?

Nas went plat before ether came out. Sooo ummm yeah

What does that mean? Jay sold 10 times more than Nas ever did and....

You said nas was dead he wasn't, jay always had a commerical hit he pushed nas rarely pushes his radio hits. Ether still come up today cause's arguments and gets people in their feelings. Look at this thread your ethering your own shit by saying it wasn't all that or whatever but 14yrs later its on your mind. "That Ether the shit that makes your soul burn slow !

No I brought it up bc I'm on the IC and ether is the tabernacle here but I personally know of and seen the impact of other diss records. I lived through all these disses. None can compare to takeover. I'm tryna get y'all to see that most y'all just bandwagon dicjriders when it comes to ether bc I lived it and seen it

Takeover was a bunch of opinions cock jockies tried to make fact. Look at nas lp's 2 back to back classics i am was tough and Nastradamus was weak compared to the other 3 but still had 6 bangers 3 ok tracks and few weak ones outta 15 or 16 tracks and 2 of them were skits so that 1 hot album every 10yr shit is outta there. Takeover was a reach. Still fire but reach

I showed you ya first tech on tour with large professor

Then I heard u talkin bout ya tech on the dresser

So yea I sampled your voice you was using it wrong

You made it a hot line

I made it a hot song

You ain't get a coin nigga u was getting fucked and I know who I paid God Searchlight publishing

All facts

How do you know the tech was facts? Was you there?? That right there exposed how biast you are.

Once again you exposed yourself to your stanning since MC Serch already explained that he didnt own Nas publishing. I swear Takeover is so overrated that its really comical when someone comes to defend it like its facts. The only fact on takeover was the carmen line and that was a good one by Jay. Nas destroyed him with facts, comedy, anger, and the ultimate disrespect of dropping in on Hov's birthday.

How do you know what nas said in ether was "facts"..... Ain't none of us be there for any of they personal shit so it's all hearsay

Krs-one naming his album blueprint first-facts

Jay-Z biting biggie rhymes-facts

Jay-z being called ugly-facts ( Nas used jay-z own words against him)

Just to name of few.

Jay smashing his bm-Facts

Jay using his voice and making a hot song-Facts

Nas not getting a dime from it-Facts

Nas falling off-Facts

Ain't tryna make this a ether vs takeover shit but the whole " were you there" shit is weak becuz you can do that with any diss track

The only fact you have is Jay smashing Nas's BM.

Jay using his voice and making it a hot song is not a fact because you deliberatly left out the hot line part which we all know is opinion.

Nas not getting a dime from it is false and MC Serch already explain this.

Nas falling off is still strictly opinion and to me its a wrong opinion but to each is own. Sometimes I wonder if people know the difference between facts and opinions. SMDH!!

Lmao at saying a nigga fell off is an opinion but a man calling another man ugly is a fact..... SMDH.... But ok bruh I'm not finna get into takeover vs ether episode 10000000000000 becuz it ain't gonna lead to nothing new

Yea its true that its usually opinion but Jay-z said that about himself when it came to the ladies and Nas used his own words against him. That right there makes it factual. Nas flipped it on him badly and it backfired on Jay-z. Jay-z should have never mentioned his looks on his album and he set himself up for a bad fall.

Yea becuz a man critiquing another man's looks is a win.....shits kinda gay to me but to each they own *shrugs*

 

[jim1000]

Ether was filled with non provable statements and jokes and ppl treat this as the standards for diss records. Then Camron takes the same route to slaughter jayz and 50 cent and so called hip hop purist act as if it was insignificant or wack. Both of these diss records overshadowed ether by far. Nas was dead when ether came out . Cam shut nyc down with both these diss records. And they are arguably better songs than ether. Ether is overrated by Nas stans. Even xzibits diss to jermaine dupri is comparable to ether.

http://youtu.be/sFsO7tmfT_s

Krs-one naming his album blueprint first-facts

Jay-Z biting biggie rhymes-facts

Jay-z being called ugly-facts ( Nas used jay-z own words against him)

Just to name of few.

http://youtu.be/pnycZjc3nQM

What makes ether better honestly?

Nas went plat before ether came out. Sooo ummm yeah

What does that mean? Jay sold 10 times more than Nas ever did and....

You said nas was dead he wasn't, jay always had a commerical hit he pushed nas rarely pushes his radio hits. Ether still come up today cause's arguments and gets people in their feelings. Look at this thread your ethering your own shit by saying it wasn't all that or whatever but 14yrs later its on your mind. "That Ether the shit that makes your soul burn slow !

No I brought it up bc I'm on the IC and ether is the tabernacle here but I personally know of and seen the impact of other diss records. I lived through all these disses. None can compare to takeover. I'm tryna get y'all to see that most y'all just bandwagon dicjriders when it comes to ether bc I lived it and seen it

Takeover was a bunch of opinions cock jockies tried to make fact. Look at nas lp's 2 back to back classics i am was tough and Nastradamus was weak compared to the other 3 but still had 6 bangers 3 ok tracks and few weak ones outta 15 or 16 tracks and 2 of them were skits so that 1 hot album every 10yr shit is outta there. Takeover was a reach. Still fire but reach

I showed you ya first tech on tour with large professor

Then I heard u talkin bout ya tech on the dresser

So yea I sampled your voice you was using it wrong

You made it a hot line

I made it a hot song

You ain't get a coin nigga u was getting fucked and I know who I paid God Searchlight publishing

All facts

How do you know the tech was facts? Was you there?? That right there exposed how biast you are.

Once again you exposed yourself to your stanning since MC Serch already explained that he didnt own Nas publishing. I swear Takeover is so overrated that its really comical when someone comes to defend it like its facts. The only fact on takeover was the carmen line and that was a good one by Jay. Nas destroyed him with facts, comedy, anger, and the ultimate disrespect of dropping in on Hov's birthday.

How do you know what nas said in ether was "facts"..... Ain't none of us be there for any of they personal shit so it's all hearsay

Krs-one naming his album blueprint first-facts

Jay-Z biting biggie rhymes-facts

Jay-z being called ugly-facts ( Nas used jay-z own words against him)

Just to name of few.

Jay smashing his bm-Facts

Jay using his voice and making a hot song-Facts

Nas not getting a dime from it-Facts

Nas falling off-Facts

Ain't tryna make this a ether vs takeover shit but the whole " were you there" shit is weak becuz you can do that with any diss track

The only fact you have is Jay smashing Nas's BM.

Jay using his voice and making it a hot song is not a fact because you deliberatly left out the hot line part which we all know is opinion.

Nas not getting a dime from it is false and MC Serch already explain this.

Nas falling off is still strictly opinion and to me its a wrong opinion but to each is own. Sometimes I wonder if people know the difference between facts and opinions. SMDH!!

Lmao at saying a nigga fell off is an opinion but a man calling another man ugly is a fact..... SMDH.... But ok bruh I'm not finna get into takeover vs ether episode 10000000000000 becuz it ain't gonna lead to nothing new

Yea its true that its usually opinion but Jay-z said that about himself when it came to the ladies and Nas used his own words against him. That right there makes it factual. Nas flipped it on him badly and it backfired on Jay-z. Jay-z should have never mentioned his looks on his album and he set himself up for a bad fall.

Yea becuz a man critiquing another man's looks is a win.....shits kinda gay to me but to each they own *shrugs*

LOL at changing the subject. Its not about win or loss. Its about facts and opinions but you took it there so whatever.

 

[GetoBoy]

Ether was filled with non provable statements and jokes and ppl treat this as the standards for diss records. Then Camron takes the same route to slaughter jayz and 50 cent and so called hip hop purist act as if it was insignificant or wack. Both of these diss records overshadowed ether by far. Nas was dead when ether came out . Cam shut nyc down with both these diss records. And they are arguably better songs than ether. Ether is overrated by Nas stans. Even xzibits diss to jermaine dupri is comparable to ether.

http://youtu.be/sFsO7tmfT_s

Krs-one naming his album blueprint first-facts

Jay-Z biting biggie rhymes-facts

Jay-z being called ugly-facts ( Nas used jay-z own words against him)

Just to name of few.

http://youtu.be/pnycZjc3nQM

What makes ether better honestly?

Nas went plat before ether came out. Sooo ummm yeah

What does that mean? Jay sold 10 times more than Nas ever did and....

You said nas was dead he wasn't, jay always had a commerical hit he pushed nas rarely pushes his radio hits. Ether still come up today cause's arguments and gets people in their feelings. Look at this thread your ethering your own shit by saying it wasn't all that or whatever but 14yrs later its on your mind. "That Ether the shit that makes your soul burn slow !

No I brought it up bc I'm on the IC and ether is the tabernacle here but I personally know of and seen the impact of other diss records. I lived through all these disses. None can compare to takeover. I'm tryna get y'all to see that most y'all just bandwagon dicjriders when it comes to ether bc I lived it and seen it

Takeover was a bunch of opinions cock jockies tried to make fact. Look at nas lp's 2 back to back classics i am was tough and Nastradamus was weak compared to the other 3 but still had 6 bangers 3 ok tracks and few weak ones outta 15 or 16 tracks and 2 of them were skits so that 1 hot album every 10yr shit is outta there. Takeover was a reach. Still fire but reach

I showed you ya first tech on tour with large professor

Then I heard u talkin bout ya tech on the dresser

So yea I sampled your voice you was using it wrong

You made it a hot line

I made it a hot song

You ain't get a coin nigga u was getting fucked and I know who I paid God Searchlight publishing

All facts

How do you know the tech was facts? Was you there?? That right there exposed how biast you are.

Once again you exposed yourself to your stanning since MC Serch already explained that he didnt own Nas publishing. I swear Takeover is so overrated that its really comical when someone comes to defend it like its facts. The only fact on takeover was the carmen line and that was a good one by Jay. Nas destroyed him with facts, comedy, anger, and the ultimate disrespect of dropping in on Hov's birthday.

How do you know what nas said in ether was "facts"..... Ain't none of us be there for any of they personal shit so it's all hearsay

Krs-one naming his album blueprint first-facts

Jay-Z biting biggie rhymes-facts

Jay-z being called ugly-facts ( Nas used jay-z own words against him)

Just to name of few.

Jay smashing his bm-Facts

Jay using his voice and making a hot song-Facts

Nas not getting a dime from it-Facts

Nas falling off-Facts

Ain't tryna make this a ether vs takeover shit but the whole " were you there" shit is weak becuz you can do that with any diss track

The only fact you have is Jay smashing Nas's BM.

Jay using his voice and making it a hot song is not a fact because you deliberatly left out the hot line part which we all know is opinion.

Nas not getting a dime from it is false and MC Serch already explain this.

Nas falling off is still strictly opinion and to me its a wrong opinion but to each is own. Sometimes I wonder if people know the difference between facts and opinions. SMDH!!

Lmao at saying a nigga fell off is an opinion but a man calling another man ugly is a fact..... SMDH.... But ok bruh I'm not finna get into takeover vs ether episode 10000000000000 becuz it ain't gonna lead to nothing new

Yea its true that its usually opinion but Jay-z said that about himself when it came to the ladies and Nas used his own words against him. That right there makes it factual. Nas flipped it on him badly and it backfired on Jay-z. Jay-z should have never mentioned his looks on his album and he set himself up for a bad fall.

Yea becuz a man critiquing another man's looks is a win.....shits kinda gay to me but to each they own *shrugs*

LOL at changing the subject. Its not about win or loss. Its about facts and opinions but you took it there so whatever.

Bottom line is they both have facts and bs..... One is just built around more of facts and the other is built around more of bs.... Oh and nas not getting paid off Jay using his voice was a fact serch just said his company wasn't the one that got paid either.... But whatever lol

 

[Roster Player #99]

Ether was filled with non provable statements and jokes and ppl treat this as the standards for diss records. Then Camron takes the same route to slaughter jayz and 50 cent and so called hip hop purist act as if it was insignificant or wack. Both of these diss records overshadowed ether by far. Nas was dead when ether came out . Cam shut nyc down with both these diss records. And they are arguably better songs than ether. Ether is overrated by Nas stans. Even xzibits diss to jermaine dupri is comparable to ether.

http://youtu.be/sFsO7tmfT_s

Krs-one naming his album blueprint first-facts

Jay-Z biting biggie rhymes-facts

Jay-z being called ugly-facts ( Nas used jay-z own words against him)

Just to name of few.

http://youtu.be/pnycZjc3nQM

What makes ether better honestly?

Nas went plat before ether came out. Sooo ummm yeah

What does that mean? Jay sold 10 times more than Nas ever did and....

You said nas was dead he wasn't, jay always had a commerical hit he pushed nas rarely pushes his radio hits. Ether still come up today cause's arguments and gets people in their feelings. Look at this thread your ethering your own shit by saying it wasn't all that or whatever but 14yrs later its on your mind. "That Ether the shit that makes your soul burn slow !

No I brought it up bc I'm on the IC and ether is the tabernacle here but I personally know of and seen the impact of other diss records. I lived through all these disses. None can compare to takeover. I'm tryna get y'all to see that most y'all just bandwagon dicjriders when it comes to ether bc I lived it and seen it

Takeover was a bunch of opinions cock jockies tried to make fact. Look at nas lp's 2 back to back classics i am was tough and Nastradamus was weak compared to the other 3 but still had 6 bangers 3 ok tracks and few weak ones outta 15 or 16 tracks and 2 of them were skits so that 1 hot album every 10yr shit is outta there. Takeover was a reach. Still fire but reach

I showed you ya first tech on tour with large professor

Then I heard u talkin bout ya tech on the dresser

So yea I sampled your voice you was using it wrong

You made it a hot line

I made it a hot song

You ain't get a coin nigga u was getting fucked and I know who I paid God Searchlight publishing

All facts

How do you know the tech was facts? Was you there?? That right there exposed how biast you are.

Once again you exposed yourself to your stanning since MC Serch already explained that he didnt own Nas publishing. I swear Takeover is so overrated that its really comical when someone comes to defend it like its facts. The only fact on takeover was the carmen line and that was a good one by Jay. Nas destroyed him with facts, comedy, anger, and the ultimate disrespect of dropping in on Hov's birthday.

How do you know what nas said in ether was "facts"..... Ain't none of us be there for any of they personal shit so it's all hearsay

Krs-one naming his album blueprint first-facts

Jay-Z biting biggie rhymes-facts

Jay-z being called ugly-facts ( Nas used jay-z own words against him)

Just to name of few.

Jay smashing his bm-Facts

Jay using his voice and making a hot song-Facts

Nas not getting a dime from it-Facts

Nas falling off-Facts

Ain't tryna make this a ether vs takeover shit but the whole " were you there" shit is weak becuz you can do that with any diss track

The only fact you have is Jay smashing Nas's BM.

Jay using his voice and making it a hot song is not a fact because you deliberatly left out the hot line part which we all know is opinion.

Nas not getting a dime from it is false and MC Serch already explain this.

Nas falling off is still strictly opinion and to me its a wrong opinion but to each is own. Sometimes I wonder if people know the difference between facts and opinions. SMDH!!

Lmao at saying a nigga fell off is an opinion but a man calling another man ugly is a fact..... SMDH.... But ok bruh I'm not finna get into takeover vs ether episode 10000000000000 becuz it ain't gonna lead to nothing new

Yea its true that its usually opinion but Jay-z said that about himself when it came to the ladies and Nas used his own words against him. That right there makes it factual. Nas flipped it on him badly and it backfired on Jay-z. Jay-z should have never mentioned his looks on his album and he set himself up for a bad fall.

LMAO. I hope none of y'all niggas in here lobbying this type of shit don't have kids....

 

[Roster Player #99]

more to the point of the thread, I think the Jay vs Nas banter in here kinda answers that question.....even tho yo ass was trollin

 

[Preach2Teach]

Jay fans stay being delusional, face it your overrated Jigga pissed up the wrong tree when he went at Nasty, Nas was comforting his dying mother when Jay did the diss like the cowardly snake that he is, somebody post that hot 97 crying interview from Jay, I could use a good laugh right now.

 

[jim1000]

Ether was filled with non provable statements and jokes and ppl treat this as the standards for diss records. Then Camron takes the same route to slaughter jayz and 50 cent and so called hip hop purist act as if it was insignificant or wack. Both of these diss records overshadowed ether by far. Nas was dead when ether came out . Cam shut nyc down with both these diss records. And they are arguably better songs than ether. Ether is overrated by Nas stans. Even xzibits diss to jermaine dupri is comparable to ether.

http://youtu.be/sFsO7tmfT_s

Krs-one naming his album blueprint first-facts

Jay-Z biting biggie rhymes-facts

Jay-z being called ugly-facts ( Nas used jay-z own words against him)

Just to name of few.

http://youtu.be/pnycZjc3nQM

What makes ether better honestly?

Nas went plat before ether came out. Sooo ummm yeah

What does that mean? Jay sold 10 times more than Nas ever did and....

You said nas was dead he wasn't, jay always had a commerical hit he pushed nas rarely pushes his radio hits. Ether still come up today cause's arguments and gets people in their feelings. Look at this thread your ethering your own shit by saying it wasn't all that or whatever but 14yrs later its on your mind. "That Ether the shit that makes your soul burn slow !

No I brought it up bc I'm on the IC and ether is the tabernacle here but I personally know of and seen the impact of other diss records. I lived through all these disses. None can compare to takeover. I'm tryna get y'all to see that most y'all just bandwagon dicjriders when it comes to ether bc I lived it and seen it

Takeover was a bunch of opinions cock jockies tried to make fact. Look at nas lp's 2 back to back classics i am was tough and Nastradamus was weak compared to the other 3 but still had 6 bangers 3 ok tracks and few weak ones outta 15 or 16 tracks and 2 of them were skits so that 1 hot album every 10yr shit is outta there. Takeover was a reach. Still fire but reach

I showed you ya first tech on tour with large professor

Then I heard u talkin bout ya tech on the dresser

So yea I sampled your voice you was using it wrong

You made it a hot line

I made it a hot song

You ain't get a coin nigga u was getting fucked and I know who I paid God Searchlight publishing

All facts

How do you know the tech was facts? Was you there?? That right there exposed how biast you are.

Once again you exposed yourself to your stanning since MC Serch already explained that he didnt own Nas publishing. I swear Takeover is so overrated that its really comical when someone comes to defend it like its facts. The only fact on takeover was the carmen line and that was a good one by Jay. Nas destroyed him with facts, comedy, anger, and the ultimate disrespect of dropping in on Hov's birthday.

How do you know what nas said in ether was "facts"..... Ain't none of us be there for any of they personal shit so it's all hearsay

Krs-one naming his album blueprint first-facts

Jay-Z biting biggie rhymes-facts

Jay-z being called ugly-facts ( Nas used jay-z own words against him)

Just to name of few.

Jay smashing his bm-Facts

Jay using his voice and making a hot song-Facts

Nas not getting a dime from it-Facts

Nas falling off-Facts

Ain't tryna make this a ether vs takeover shit but the whole " were you there" shit is weak becuz you can do that with any diss track

The only fact you have is Jay smashing Nas's BM.

Jay using his voice and making it a hot song is not a fact because you deliberatly left out the hot line part which we all know is opinion.

Nas not getting a dime from it is false and MC Serch already explain this.

Nas falling off is still strictly opinion and to me its a wrong opinion but to each is own. Sometimes I wonder if people know the difference between facts and opinions. SMDH!!

Lmao at saying a nigga fell off is an opinion but a man calling another man ugly is a fact..... SMDH.... But ok bruh I'm not finna get into takeover vs ether episode 10000000000000 becuz it ain't gonna lead to nothing new

Yea its true that its usually opinion but Jay-z said that about himself when it came to the ladies and Nas used his own words against him. That right there makes it factual. Nas flipped it on him badly and it backfired on Jay-z. Jay-z should have never mentioned his looks on his album and he set himself up for a bad fall.

Yea becuz a man critiquing another man's looks is a win.....shits kinda gay to me but to each they own *shrugs*

LOL at changing the subject. Its not about win or loss. Its about facts and opinions but you took it there so whatever.

Bottom line is they both have facts and bs..... One is just built around more of facts and the other is built around more of bs.... Oh and nas not getting paid off Jay using his voice was a fact serch just said his company wasn't the one that got paid either.... But whatever lol

I'm curious which one to you was built more about facts?? Also where's the proof that Nas said he didn't get paid? Did Nas say so himself?? Jay-Z was trying to tell us that it was MC Serch that got paid for it and we all now know its a lie so why are we still crediting Jay-z for it?? Listen I like both MCs and yes there was bs in both disses. I just happen to believe that Nas came with more facts than Jay-z did but to the people that are bias towards jayz or stanning for him would disagree and they don't have the proof to back it up.....But whatever

 

[jim1000]

Ether was filled with non provable statements and jokes and ppl treat this as the standards for diss records. Then Camron takes the same route to slaughter jayz and 50 cent and so called hip hop purist act as if it was insignificant or wack. Both of these diss records overshadowed ether by far. Nas was dead when ether came out . Cam shut nyc down with both these diss records. And they are arguably better songs than ether. Ether is overrated by Nas stans. Even xzibits diss to jermaine dupri is comparable to ether.

http://youtu.be/sFsO7tmfT_s

Krs-one naming his album blueprint first-facts

Jay-Z biting biggie rhymes-facts

Jay-z being called ugly-facts ( Nas used jay-z own words against him)

Just to name of few.

http://youtu.be/pnycZjc3nQM

What makes ether better honestly?

Nas went plat before ether came out. Sooo ummm yeah

What does that mean? Jay sold 10 times more than Nas ever did and....

You said nas was dead he wasn't, jay always had a commerical hit he pushed nas rarely pushes his radio hits. Ether still come up today cause's arguments and gets people in their feelings. Look at this thread your ethering your own shit by saying it wasn't all that or whatever but 14yrs later its on your mind. "That Ether the shit that makes your soul burn slow !

No I brought it up bc I'm on the IC and ether is the tabernacle here but I personally know of and seen the impact of other diss records. I lived through all these disses. None can compare to takeover. I'm tryna get y'all to see that most y'all just bandwagon dicjriders when it comes to ether bc I lived it and seen it

Takeover was a bunch of opinions cock jockies tried to make fact. Look at nas lp's 2 back to back classics i am was tough and Nastradamus was weak compared to the other 3 but still had 6 bangers 3 ok tracks and few weak ones outta 15 or 16 tracks and 2 of them were skits so that 1 hot album every 10yr shit is outta there. Takeover was a reach. Still fire but reach

I showed you ya first tech on tour with large professor

Then I heard u talkin bout ya tech on the dresser

So yea I sampled your voice you was using it wrong

You made it a hot line

I made it a hot song

You ain't get a coin nigga u was getting fucked and I know who I paid God Searchlight publishing

All facts

How do you know the tech was facts? Was you there?? That right there exposed how biast you are.

Once again you exposed yourself to your stanning since MC Serch already explained that he didnt own Nas publishing. I swear Takeover is so overrated that its really comical when someone comes to defend it like its facts. The only fact on takeover was the carmen line and that was a good one by Jay. Nas destroyed him with facts, comedy, anger, and the ultimate disrespect of dropping in on Hov's birthday.

How do you know what nas said in ether was "facts"..... Ain't none of us be there for any of they personal shit so it's all hearsay

Krs-one naming his album blueprint first-facts

Jay-Z biting biggie rhymes-facts

Jay-z being called ugly-facts ( Nas used jay-z own words against him)

Just to name of few.

Jay smashing his bm-Facts

Jay using his voice and making a hot song-Facts

Nas not getting a dime from it-Facts

Nas falling off-Facts

Ain't tryna make this a ether vs takeover shit but the whole " were you there" shit is weak becuz you can do that with any diss track

The only fact you have is Jay smashing Nas's BM.

Jay using his voice and making it a hot song is not a fact because you deliberatly left out the hot line part which we all know is opinion.

Nas not getting a dime from it is false and MC Serch already explain this.

Nas falling off is still strictly opinion and to me its a wrong opinion but to each is own. Sometimes I wonder if people know the difference between facts and opinions. SMDH!!

Lmao at saying a nigga fell off is an opinion but a man calling another man ugly is a fact..... SMDH.... But ok bruh I'm not finna get into takeover vs ether episode 10000000000000 becuz it ain't gonna lead to nothing new

Yea its true that its usually opinion but Jay-z said that about himself when it came to the ladies and Nas used his own words against him. That right there makes it factual. Nas flipped it on him badly and it backfired on Jay-z. Jay-z should have never mentioned his looks on his album and he set himself up for a bad fall.

LMAO. I hope none of y'all niggas in here lobbying this type of shit don't have kids....

HUh?? What does that have to with having kids or not?? SMDH

 

[GetoBoy]

Ether was filled with non provable statements and jokes and ppl treat this as the standards for diss records. Then Camron takes the same route to slaughter jayz and 50 cent and so called hip hop purist act as if it was insignificant or wack. Both of these diss records overshadowed ether by far. Nas was dead when ether came out . Cam shut nyc down with both these diss records. And they are arguably better songs than ether. Ether is overrated by Nas stans. Even xzibits diss to jermaine dupri is comparable to ether.

http://youtu.be/sFsO7tmfT_s

Krs-one naming his album blueprint first-facts

Jay-Z biting biggie rhymes-facts

Jay-z being called ugly-facts ( Nas used jay-z own words against him)

Just to name of few.

http://youtu.be/pnycZjc3nQM

What makes ether better honestly?

Nas went plat before ether came out. Sooo ummm yeah

What does that mean? Jay sold 10 times more than Nas ever did and....

You said nas was dead he wasn't, jay always had a commerical hit he pushed nas rarely pushes his radio hits. Ether still come up today cause's arguments and gets people in their feelings. Look at this thread your ethering your own shit by saying it wasn't all that or whatever but 14yrs later its on your mind. "That Ether the shit that makes your soul burn slow !

No I brought it up bc I'm on the IC and ether is the tabernacle here but I personally know of and seen the impact of other diss records. I lived through all these disses. None can compare to takeover. I'm tryna get y'all to see that most y'all just bandwagon dicjriders when it comes to ether bc I lived it and seen it

Takeover was a bunch of opinions cock jockies tried to make fact. Look at nas lp's 2 back to back classics i am was tough and Nastradamus was weak compared to the other 3 but still had 6 bangers 3 ok tracks and few weak ones outta 15 or 16 tracks and 2 of them were skits so that 1 hot album every 10yr shit is outta there. Takeover was a reach. Still fire but reach

I showed you ya first tech on tour with large professor

Then I heard u talkin bout ya tech on the dresser

So yea I sampled your voice you was using it wrong

You made it a hot line

I made it a hot song

You ain't get a coin nigga u was getting fucked and I know who I paid God Searchlight publishing

All facts

How do you know the tech was facts? Was you there?? That right there exposed how biast you are.

Once again you exposed yourself to your stanning since MC Serch already explained that he didnt own Nas publishing. I swear Takeover is so overrated that its really comical when someone comes to defend it like its facts. The only fact on takeover was the carmen line and that was a good one by Jay. Nas destroyed him with facts, comedy, anger, and the ultimate disrespect of dropping in on Hov's birthday.

How do you know what nas said in ether was "facts"..... Ain't none of us be there for any of they personal shit so it's all hearsay

Krs-one naming his album blueprint first-facts

Jay-Z biting biggie rhymes-facts

Jay-z being called ugly-facts ( Nas used jay-z own words against him)

Just to name of few.

Jay smashing his bm-Facts

Jay using his voice and making a hot song-Facts

Nas not getting a dime from it-Facts

Nas falling off-Facts

Ain't tryna make this a ether vs takeover shit but the whole " were you there" shit is weak becuz you can do that with any diss track

The only fact you have is Jay smashing Nas's BM.

Jay using his voice and making it a hot song is not a fact because you deliberatly left out the hot line part which we all know is opinion.

Nas not getting a dime from it is false and MC Serch already explain this.

Nas falling off is still strictly opinion and to me its a wrong opinion but to each is own. Sometimes I wonder if people know the difference between facts and opinions. SMDH!!

Lmao at saying a nigga fell off is an opinion but a man calling another man ugly is a fact..... SMDH.... But ok bruh I'm not finna get into takeover vs ether episode 10000000000000 becuz it ain't gonna lead to nothing new

Yea its true that its usually opinion but Jay-z said that about himself when it came to the ladies and Nas used his own words against him. That right there makes it factual. Nas flipped it on him badly and it backfired on Jay-z. Jay-z should have never mentioned his looks on his album and he set himself up for a bad fall.

Yea becuz a man critiquing another man's looks is a win.....shits kinda gay to me but to each they own *shrugs*

LOL at changing the subject. Its not about win or loss. Its about facts and opinions but you took it there so whatever.

Bottom line is they both have facts and bs..... One is just built around more of facts and the other is built around more of bs.... Oh and nas not getting paid off Jay using his voice was a fact serch just said his company wasn't the one that got paid either.... But whatever lol

I'm curious which one to you was built more about facts?? Also where's the proof that Nas said he didn't get paid? Did Nas say so himself?? Jay-Z was trying to tell us that it was MC Serch that got paid for it and we all now know its a lie so why are we still crediting Jay-z for it?? Listen I like both MCs and yes there was bs in both disses. I just happen to believe that Nas came with more facts than Jay-z did but to the people that are bias towards jayz or stanning for him would disagree and they don't have the proof to back it up.....But whatever

Serch himself said neither of them got paid and hes the one who set it up what since nas didn't say it himself that means it never happened??? Smdh....Well of course your gonna probably have more facts in a 4 minute song then in a verse of a song.... Just like your gonna have alot more bullshit in the same song it all just depends on which you choose to highlight.... But yea whatever

 

[5 Grand]

People say Takeover was facts and Ether was just name calling.

Then when you point out that several lines in Takeover were not facts, they point to Ether and say that there's several lines in Ether that weren't facts. But that wasn't the original argument.

The original argument is that Takeover is "facts" and Ether is just name calling.

1. Nas not getting a coin from the line Jay sampled isn't a "fact". At some point, Nas was compensated for his work, even if he sold his publishing before Dead Presidents came out, he would have gotten compensated BEFORE Dead Presidents. In other words, it may be true that Nas didn't own his publishing, but if he sold it, then he was compensated.

2. Nas falling off isn't a "fact". I liked I Am and his Death of Escobar mixtape was off the chain. He was also on Hot Boys by Missy Elliot which, at one point, was in the Guinness Book of World Records for longest rap song at #1. It came out in 2000.

3. 4 albums in 10 years isn't a "fact", its nonsense

4. Jay being around for 5 years isn't a "fact", its nonsense.

So those are 4 things that were not facts. But Jay stans change the argument and say, "well Ether didn't have facts either". But that wasn't the original argument. The original argument is that Takeover is "facts", which its not.

Ether was just name calling. I agree that Ether was name calling. I'm not going to change the argument and say that Ether wasn't name calling. Ether was name calling and Takeover was bullshit.

4 albums in 10 years. Yeah right.

 

[GetoBoy]

Idk if this is just a nas fans thing or what but ppl take the "facts" comment EXTRA literally like ppl are saying every single word in takeover is gospel then they break every bar down to its smallest syllable to find the crack to say "ah ha see that's not a 100% fact" smh..... Nigga broke down Jay saying nas didn't get paid off of his use of his voice to sum "well if nas sold his publishing then the money from Jay is in there somewhere so technically nas did get paid kinda so it's not a fact".... This is why I normally leave this debate alone lol

 

[5 Grand]

Idk if this is just a nas fans thing or what but ppl take the "facts" comment EXTRA literally like ppl are saying every single word in takeover is gospel then they break every bar down to its smallest syllable to find the crack to say "ah ha see that's not a 100% fact" smh..... Nigga broke down Jay saying nas didn't get paid off of his use of his voice to sum "well if nas sold his publishing then the money from Jay is in there somewhere so technically nas did get paid kinda so it's not a fact".... This is why I normally leave this debate alone lol

Look, either something is a fact or it isn't. Nas releasing 4 albums in 10 years is nonsense. There's no way on Earth you can call that a fact.

When Jay said Nas has been in it 10 and Jay's been in it for 5 years, that's nonsense.

Its not that we're taking it "EXTRA LITERALLY" its either a fact or it isn't a fact. There's no such thing as a halfway fact.

 

[saracenwire]

So much revisionist history. Nas had the whole damn hip hop industry on lock off of ether. He went double plat with no hit singles and without a tour to promote the album. I'm on the west coast, all anyone talked about was Nas vs Jay-z for like two years. And btw Jay's career did suffer in the short term. He put out the worst album of his career too that point with the blueprint two and he had to reissue it as a single album just to get it to to double platinum. Critically people were genuinely wondering if jay was done. The black album restored his credibility and the Grey album turned him into a hipster deity so no one remembers that he was legit rocked by ether.