How is Eminem anywhere near a top 10 rapper based on catalog alone?

[usmarin3]

Black Thought will never get the shine he deserves because of Questlove, Questlove is too artsy and as a result the Roots have remain a niche type group. There is no reason why the Roots couldn't have had the success like A Tribe Call Quest, but they just never went out their comfort zone.

 

[Lab Baby]

Whites worship him like they do Elvis and corny Negroes worship him like white Jesus.

He ain't top 10 but people feel obliged to throw him in there top ten because he's a token-white who sold a lot of records to whites.

I can't understand why people give so much praise to this soulless mutant instead of giving praise to Black Thought who is criminally underrated and slept on.

To play devil's advocate, Black Thought doesn't get the props he deserves cuz he's in a group. If groups were taken in account, people's list would look a lot different. Let's face it, Thought, Q Tip, Sadat X, Fredro Starr, Big Boi, Buckshot, Prodigy, Posdonus, MJG>>>>> a lot of these "GOATs".

Your point is mute because you named rappers who were in groups alongside other rappers, Black Thought is the lone rapper in his group, he just uses a live band.

Actually, Malik B is/was in the Roots too, although not as active. My point still stand though, because people see The Roots as a band, not as a band fronted by Black Thought. I actually agree with you though. And speaking of Ghost, he's definitely top 10 material as well.

@Gen, I already mentioned Big Boi.

 

[Stew]

If Biggie can be one why cant Em?

U say he doesnt have any classics, I say he has 1.

U say his bad album is fucking terrible, I say its just not good.

Nigga ban yourself for saying that shit smh.

U can do better then that Cain

 

[Gen. Stasia]

its like yall want an album from Eminem in which his content mimics Jay's or somethin like that. thats unrealistic and if he did, yall would claim fraud.

Not Really. I personally think he's overrated *shrugs*

 

[Daddy_PeaceBuck$]

@Gen. Without out throwing shots could you go toe toe with Em in a battle.

 

[H-Rap 180]

If Biggie can be one why cant Em?

U say he doesnt have any classics, I say he has 1.

U say his bad album is fucking terrible, I say its just not good.

Nigga ban yourself for saying that shit smh.

Forgive that guy he's a mullato (HaLF).....raised by a white woman like Marshall Mathers mother so he can relate to Emenims subject matter and behavior more than we can.

Biggies rhymes are some of the most quoted rhymes in the history of HipHop but no rapper repeats Ememims corny lyrics.

However, I give Emenim credit for giving his fan base a type of music they can relate to.

 

[usmarin3]

its like yall want an album from Eminem in which his content mimics Jay's or somethin like that. thats unrealistic and if he did, yall would claim fraud.

No, i just want a album where he doesn't have that 3-4 cheesy ass songs like Without Me, Real Slim Shady, Drips,etc.

If he could of stuck with what he did on Eight Mile soundtrack

 

[Stew]

If Biggie can be one why cant Em?

U say he doesnt have any classics, I say he has 1.

U say his bad album is fucking terrible, I say its just not good.

Nigga ban yourself for saying that shit smh.

Forgive that guy he's a mullato (HaLF).....raised by a white woman like Marshall Mathers mother so he can relate to Emenims subject matter and behavior more than we can.

Biggies rhymes are some of the most quoted rhymes in the history of HipHop but no rapper repeats Ememims corny lyrics.

However, I give Emenim credit for giving his fan base a type of music they can relate to.

Biggies rhymes are quoted so often cause theirs a bunch of dickriders in the industry.

Im not a mullato and my mother is not white fuckin cornball.

 

[IceBergTaylor]

Havent you made this thread before?

 

[Stew]

Havent you made this thread before?

He changes the words up but basically they're all the same trying to degrade Em.

 

[IceBergTaylor]

I mean, idk how this is mind boggling to the thread starter

He said the SSLP & MMLP were 4 mic albums, the Eminem Show & Recovery were solid

So that's 4 albums 2 great, 2 good (although I think Relapse is better than Recovery)

Even If you dont add Infinite to this..... the question is already answered.

In SOME people's opinion, he has a solid catalog that grants top 10 status, despite the shit sammich that was Encore. He isnt in yours clearly, so why does it bother you?

 

[usmarin3]

I don't consider a 4 mic album great, just good.

 

[jono]

Looks like I need to bring some wisdom & insight to yet another emotionally charged debate.

Okay this is the thing: Eminem is NICE, point blank period. As an MC they boy can fuckin rap. Any criticism you launch against him there's a black MC that does something similar. The cartoonish violence, animated delivery, and songs about drug abuse even the vague homosexual overtones. Trying to use that will never work but once criticism is indeed true: his catalogue is worthless.

As nice an MC Eminem is his albums rarely reflect his talent. The SSLP & MMLPs are very good albums. The subject matter ranged from drug abuse to struggles with his wife/child/family, overcoming the change from being poor to being rich, how it feels to be a white MC in hip-hop etc. After those two its hit or miss.

TES, Encore, Relapse, & Recovery are all either just okay or are weak. Its typical for a rapper with problems (inside the home and outside), drug issues and who lost their hunger to fall off. Its apart of the game, Eminem is no different from anyone else in these respects.

Now is Em top 5? Fuck no. Top 10...probably not, top 20 getting closer but who knows. I think the whole him being white thing upsets people but niggas need to get over it.

In 2012 not the 1950s or the 1960s there's no Jim Crow in hip-hop. Eminem is also the ONLY white MC that gets the kind of respect he gets....he's not the only white MC either. The Beastie Boys caught the same flack when they blew up but niggas got over it, they'll get over Eminem's success too. Eminem's backstory is more believable than most of these silly niggas out here too. Eminem never went to college like Plies or 2 Chainz, he didn't come from a middle class home like Ice Cube or Kanye, his home life was as fucked up as any rapper's has been. So why can't he tell his story in his own way?

Let the white boy cook, yeah he's overrated I know that but they boy is nice too, at least he has talent and more respect for the culture than most these other niggas out here. You can't talk about respecting the culture if you support niggas that willingly make a mockery of it. Em's racist tapes are on the same level as Pac being a backup dancer, or "Ross" being a C.O. Its cool to hold it against him but his career is larger than that.

 

[IceBergTaylor]

I don't consider a 4 mic album great, just good.

Ok, even so...

he has enough good albums and the skills to be at least in someones bottom 5 (5-10)

So this shouldnt be hard to understand why he would be in someone's top 10.

 

[Lab Baby]

Looks like I need to bring some wisdom & insight to yet another emotionally charged debate.

Okay this is the thing: Eminem is NICE, point blank period. As an MC they boy can fuckin rap. Any criticism you launch against him there's a black MC that does something similar. The cartoonish violence, animated delivery, and songs about drug abuse even the vague homosexual overtones. Trying to use that will never work but once criticism is indeed true: his catalogue is worthless.

As nice an MC Eminem is his albums rarely reflect his talent. The SSLP & MMLPs are very good albums. The subject matter ranged from drug abuse to struggles with his wife/child/family, overcoming the change from being poor to being rich, how it feels to be a white MC in hip-hop etc. After those two its hit or miss.

TES, Encore, Relapse, & Recovery are all either just okay or are weak. Its typical for a rapper with problems (inside the home and outside), drug issues and who lost their hunger to fall off. Its apart of the game, Eminem is no different from anyone else in these respects.

Now is Em top 5? Fuck no. Top 10...probably not, top 20 getting closer but who knows. I think the whole him being white thing upsets people but niggas need to get over it.

In 2012 not the 1950s or the 1960s there's no Jim Crow in hip-hop. Eminem is also the ONLY white MC that gets the kind of respect he gets....he's not the only white MC either. The Beastie Boys caught the same flack when they blew up but niggas got over it, they'll get over Eminem's success too. Eminem's backstory is more believable than most of these silly niggas out here too. Eminem never went to college like Plies or 2 Chainz, he didn't come from a middle class home like Ice Cube or Kanye, his home life was as fucked up as any rapper's has been. So why can't he tell his story in his own way?

Let the white boy cook, yeah he's overrated I know that but they boy is nice too, at least he has talent and more respect for the culture than most these other niggas out here. You can't talk about respecting the culture if you support niggas that willingly make a mockery of it. Em's racist tapes are on the same level as Pac being a backup dancer, or "Ross" being a C.O. Its cool to hold it against him but his career is larger than that.

Agree with all this, cept I think TES was great, maybe his best lyrically... that's my opinion. But you know how it is in here... fuck if you can rap, if you ain't got dope beats, rap about selling drugs, fuckin bitches or other "black" shit Black people can "relate" to regardless if you lived it or not, then you gets no respect.

 

[IceBergTaylor]

Looks like I need to bring some wisdom & insight to yet another emotionally charged debate.

Okay this is the thing: Eminem is NICE, point blank period. As an MC they boy can fuckin rap. Any criticism you launch against him there's a black MC that does something similar. The cartoonish violence, animated delivery, and songs about drug abuse even the vague homosexual overtones. Trying to use that will never work but once criticism is indeed true: his catalogue is worthless.

As nice an MC Eminem is his albums rarely reflect his talent. The SSLP & MMLPs are very good albums. The subject matter ranged from drug abuse to struggles with his wife/child/family, overcoming the change from being poor to being rich, how it feels to be a white MC in hip-hop etc. After those two its hit or miss.

TES, Encore, Relapse, & Recovery are all either just okay or are weak. Its typical for a rapper with problems (inside the home and outside), drug issues and who lost their hunger to fall off. Its apart of the game, Eminem is no different from anyone else in these respects.

Now is Em top 5? Fuck no. Top 10...probably not, top 20 getting closer but who knows. I think the whole him being white thing upsets people but niggas need to get over it.

In 2012 not the 1950s or the 1960s there's no Jim Crow in hip-hop. Eminem is also the ONLY white MC that gets the kind of respect he gets....he's not the only white MC either. The Beastie Boys caught the same flack when they blew up but niggas got over it, they'll get over Eminem's success too. Eminem's backstory is more believable than most of these silly niggas out here too. Eminem never went to college like Plies or 2 Chainz, he didn't come from a middle class home like Ice Cube or Kanye, his home life was as fucked up as any rapper's has been. So why can't he tell his story in his own way?

Let the white boy cook, yeah he's overrated I know that but they boy is nice too, at least he has talent and more respect for the culture than most these other niggas out here. You can't talk about respecting the culture if you support niggas that willingly make a mockery of it. Em's racist tapes are on the same level as Pac being a backup dancer, or "Ross" being a C.O. Its cool to hold it against him but his career is larger than that.

Good post.

 

[juan travolta]

i really didn't feel like posting in this thread but i will anyways..

eminem will never get his props on the IC. Eminem was spitting like a motherfucker on his first three albums.

 

[IceBergTaylor]

Em was spittin like a m'fer on Infinite. That shit sounded like a Nas/AZ album tho.

 

[blackgod813]

Its just his content weak ...if Paul was the greatest I would say he was the greatest.

 

[jono]

Looks like I need to bring some wisdom & insight to yet another emotionally charged debate.

Okay this is the thing: Eminem is NICE, point blank period. As an MC they boy can fuckin rap. Any criticism you launch against him there's a black MC that does something similar. The cartoonish violence, animated delivery, and songs about drug abuse even the vague homosexual overtones. Trying to use that will never work but once criticism is indeed true: his catalogue is worthless.

As nice an MC Eminem is his albums rarely reflect his talent. The SSLP & MMLPs are very good albums. The subject matter ranged from drug abuse to struggles with his wife/child/family, overcoming the change from being poor to being rich, how it feels to be a white MC in hip-hop etc. After those two its hit or miss.

TES, Encore, Relapse, & Recovery are all either just okay or are weak. Its typical for a rapper with problems (inside the home and outside), drug issues and who lost their hunger to fall off. Its apart of the game, Eminem is no different from anyone else in these respects.

Now is Em top 5? Fuck no. Top 10...probably not, top 20 getting closer but who knows. I think the whole him being white thing upsets people but niggas need to get over it.

In 2012 not the 1950s or the 1960s there's no Jim Crow in hip-hop. Eminem is also the ONLY white MC that gets the kind of respect he gets....he's not the only white MC either. The Beastie Boys caught the same flack when they blew up but niggas got over it, they'll get over Eminem's success too. Eminem's backstory is more believable than most of these silly niggas out here too. Eminem never went to college like Plies or 2 Chainz, he didn't come from a middle class home like Ice Cube or Kanye, his home life was as fucked up as any rapper's has been. So why can't he tell his story in his own way?

Let the white boy cook, yeah he's overrated I know that but they boy is nice too, at least he has talent and more respect for the culture than most these other niggas out here. You can't talk about respecting the culture if you support niggas that willingly make a mockery of it. Em's racist tapes are on the same level as Pac being a backup dancer, or "Ross" being a C.O. Its cool to hold it against him but his career is larger than that.

Agree with all this, cept I think TES was great, maybe his best lyrically... that's my opinion. But you know how it is in here... fuck if you can rap, if you ain't got dope beats, rap about selling drugs, fuckin bitches or other "black" shit Black people can "relate" to regardless if you lived it or not, then you gets no respect.

Crazy thing Eminem raps about a lot of shit us Black people can relate to. How many rappers complain about baby mamas? Just about everybody with one. How many rappers complain about their family? Just about all of them. How many rappers rap about killing people in cartoonish ways? Most of them. How many rap about drugs? Just about all of them. How many rap about being poor? Just about all of them. Eminem's best material is about all the above. Eminem raps about fuckin bitches and bussin guns too. Shit boils down to blind hate.